Question about coffee

December 22, 2001

I went out today to find soem organic coffee, to use for enema's. I can't

figure out what to buy. they have so many selections, Breakfast blend,

Mexican blend, jamacin blend, french roast, english brew, etc, etc. Don't

they make just regular everyday, ordinary coffee any more? What do other

people use.

I'm so confused, so frustrated. Klaus

December 23, 2001

What's the difference from taking coffee from the top down or the bottom up

since it is one big drain from your mouth to your butt? I don't get why you are

not supposed to drink coffee but it is ok to use as am enema. Doesn't it

stimulate the intestine either way and isn't it absorbed in the intestine either

way? Sorry if this seems gross to some on the list who are not battling cancer,

I just don't know how else to ask this question. I guess I could blame that on

the part of my brain that the doc removed LOL.

Eileen

Re: Question about coffee

I went out today to find soem organic coffee, to use for enema's. I can't

figure out what to buy. they have so many selections, Breakfast blend,

Mexican blend, jamacin blend, french roast, english brew, etc, etc. Don't

they make just regular everyday, ordinary coffee any more? What do other

people use.

I'm so confused, so frustrated. Klaus

December 23, 2001

Sovereign57

The truth about coffee enemas is not hard to find

and/or understand -- if you care to look -- which I

suspect you do not.

The main mechanism for detoxification on the Gerson

Therapy occurs through the use of coffee enemas. The

scientific and biological effects of this unusual but

crucial procedure are well documented. Briefly, the

coffee enema has been shown in the medical literature

to stimulate production of enzymes in the liver that

enhance the removal of toxins and waste materials from

the bloodstream, while also promoting increased bile

flow. The enemas are used both for detoxification and

for pain relief, and their safety and efficacy is well

documented; in tens of thousands of patients treated

in the past 50 years, there are only two reports of

complications in the medical literature, and in both

cases, the patients were misusing the treatment and

were not under the care of a physician.

Supplements and medications The Gerson Therapy uses

several common, readily available supplements and

medications to stimulate cellular metabolism, support

liver function, enhance detoxification and help the

body digest and absorb the large quantities of food

consumed on the diet. Potassium, thyroid, iodine, (as

Lugol's solution) , are prescribed and administered

under a doctor's care. Crude liver extract, pancreatic

and digestive enzymes, co-enzyme Q-10, and other

natural further enhance the healing process. All

medications and supplements used by the Gerson Therapy

are classed as biologicals, and are either FDA

approved or exempt from regulation.

The science behind the therapy The Gerson therapy is

strongly rooted in sound scientific and biochemical

principles. The core dietary and biochemical

principles developed by Max Gerson, MD have been

repeatedly validated over the last 40 years in over

300 articles in the peer-reviewed medical literature.

The two senior physicians at Meridien have enhanced

and refined the application of Gerson's protocol

through careful empirical study in combination with

review of the latest advances in nontoxic approaches

to healing. The resulting protocol, as practiced at

Meridien, offers the most up-to-date approach to

treatment, while still adhering 100% to Gerson's

original ideals.

One of the most crucial principles of Gerson medicine

is the synergistic interaction between the three

primary elements of the treatment. Without a complete

understanding of all of the implications, any

alterations, deviations, or other variations from

Gerson's original protocol, no matter how slight, can

adversely impact the effectiveness of the treatment.

The interaction of the nutritional, detoxification,

and supplementation elements have a synergistic

effect; the whole effect is much greater than the sum

of the parts. Some of the most important aspects

follow:

1. Reduced protein intake is combined with the near

elimination of sodium and dietary fats. Numerous

studies show that temporary protein reduction

stimulates enhanced T-cell immune response. The

curtailing of dietary fat and sodium contributes to

rapid reduction in intracellular edema and enhanced

cellular waste elimination, cell respiration, and cell

function.

2. Thyroid, iodine, and potassium supplementation acts

to dramatically increase both metabolic and cellular

potassium absorption, as well as providing

non-specific enhancement of immune response, and, in

most cases, rapid, long-term reduction of pain. Other

supplements like niacin, pancreatin, acidoll-pepsin,

and liver extract improve circulation, augment

digestion, and improve liver function.

3. Detoxification through the coffee enemas enhance

toxin elimination and creates a biochemical

stimulation of the glutathione-s-transferase system,

up to 700% above normal levels within the liver, which

substantially enhances the liver's ability to remove

toxins from the blood. The enemas also enhance bile

flow, further improving the liver's ability to process

and rid itself of waste material.

About Max Gerson, MD Born in 1881 in Wongrowitz,

Germany, Max Gerson is increasingly being seen as one

of the most forward-thinking medical minds of the 20th

century. Gerson, while pursuing his medical education,

suffered from debilitating migraine headaches. He

found that he could prevent them by eliminating fatty,

salty, and preserved foods from his diet.

With the encouragement of his patients, he began using

his diet to treat tuberculosis with remarkable

success, ultimately lecturing about his diet therapy

through Europe until a hostile environment in pre-war

Germany forced him to emigrate in 1933. Gerson

continued to modify his diet therapy, eventually using

it to successfully treat a wide range of ailments,

including heart and kidney failure, lupus, and finally

cancer.

Gerson emigrated to the United States and was licensed

to practice medicine in New York in 1938. He continued

to treat cancer patients, and in 1946 had the

distinction of demonstrating his dietary therapy in

front of the Pepper-Neely Congressional Subcommittee.

The committee heard testimony from several physicians

who had seen firsthand the results of Gerson's

treatment, and from five patients who, under Gerson's

care, had recovered from " terminal " cancers.

Gerson practiced medicine until his death in 1959, one

year after his landmark book A Cancer Therapy was

published. He was eulogized by close friend Albert

Schweitzer, whose wife Gerson had cured of

tuberculosis: " I see him as one of the most eminent

geniuses in the history of medicine. Many of his basic

ideas have been adopted without having his name

connected with them. He has achieved more than seemed

possible under adverse conditions. He leaves a legacy

which commands attention and which will assure him his

due place. Those whom he cured will now attest to the

truth of his ideas. "

About the Gerson Therapy

*********

My comments. It is my understanding the the NCI is

presently subsidizing a clinicial trial of coffee

enemas for cancer patients with Dr. ,

M.D. in New York.

For more information go to www.maxgerson.com

Gerald

--- Sovereign57 <sovereign57@...> wrote:

> What's the difference from taking coffee from the

> top down or the bottom up since it is one big drain

> from your mouth to your butt? I don't get why you

> are not supposed to drink coffee but it is ok to use

> as am enema. Doesn't it stimulate the intestine

> either way and isn't it absorbed in the intestine

> either way? Sorry if this seems gross to some on the

> list who are not battling cancer, I just don't know

> how else to ask this question. I guess I could blame

> that on the part of my brain that the doc removed

> LOL.

>

> Eileen

>

> Re: Question about coffee

>

> I went out today to find soem organic coffee, to

> use for enema's. I can't

> figure out what to buy. they have so many

> selections, Breakfast blend,

> Mexican blend, jamacin blend, french roast,

> english brew, etc, etc. Don't

> they make just regular everyday, ordinary coffee

> any more? What do other

> people use.

>

> I'm so confused, so frustrated. Klaus

>

December 23, 2001

Sovereign57

The truth about coffee enemas is not hard to find

and/or understand -- if you care to look -- which I

suspect you do not.

" The main mechanism for detoxification on the Gerson

Therapy occurs through the use of coffee enemas. The

scientific and biological effects of this unusual but

crucial procedure are well documented. Briefly, the

coffee enema has been shown in the medical literature

to stimulate production of enzymes in the liver that

enhance the removal of toxins and waste materials from

the bloodstream, while also promoting increased bile

flow. The enemas are used both for detoxification and

for pain relief, and their safety and efficacy is well

documented; in tens of thousands of patients treated

in the past 50 years, there are only two reports of

complications in the medical literature, and in both

cases, the patients were misusing the treatment and

were not under the care of a physician.

Supplements and medications The Gerson Therapy uses

several common, readily available supplements and

medications to stimulate cellular metabolism, support

liver function, enhance detoxification and help the

body digest and absorb the large quantities of food

consumed on the diet. Potassium, thyroid, iodine, (as

Lugol's solution) , are prescribed and administered

under a doctor's care. Crude liver extract, pancreatic

and digestive enzymes, co-enzyme Q-10, and other

natural further enhance the healing process. All

medications and supplements used by the Gerson Therapy

are classed as biologicals, and are either FDA

approved or exempt from regulation.

The science behind the therapy The Gerson therapy is

strongly rooted in sound scientific and biochemical

principles. The core dietary and biochemical

principles developed by Max Gerson, MD have been

repeatedly validated over the last 40 years in over

300 articles in the peer-reviewed medical literature.

The two senior physicians at Meridien have enhanced

and refined the application of Gerson's protocol

through careful empirical study in combination with

review of the latest advances in nontoxic approaches

to healing. The resulting protocol, as practiced at

Meridien, offers the most up-to-date approach to

treatment, while still adhering 100% to Gerson's

original ideals.

One of the most crucial principles of Gerson medicine

is the synergistic interaction between the three

primary elements of the treatment. Without a complete

understanding of all of the implications, any

alterations, deviations, or other variations from

Gerson's original protocol, no matter how slight, can

adversely impact the effectiveness of the treatment.

The interaction of the nutritional, detoxification,

and supplementation elements have a synergistic

effect; the whole effect is much greater than the sum

of the parts. Some of the most important aspects

follow:

1. Reduced protein intake is combined with the near

elimination of sodium and dietary fats. Numerous

studies show that temporary protein reduction

stimulates enhanced T-cell immune response. The

curtailing of dietary fat and sodium contributes to

rapid reduction in intracellular edema and enhanced

cellular waste elimination, cell respiration, and cell

function.

2. Thyroid, iodine, and potassium supplementation acts

to dramatically increase both metabolic and cellular

potassium absorption, as well as providing

non-specific enhancement of immune response, and, in

most cases, rapid, long-term reduction of pain. Other

supplements like niacin, pancreatin, acidoll-pepsin,

and liver extract improve circulation, augment

digestion, and improve liver function.

3. Detoxification through the coffee enemas enhance

toxin elimination and creates a biochemical

stimulation of the glutathione-s-transferase system,

up to 700% above normal levels within the liver, which

substantially enhances the liver's ability to remove

toxins from the blood. The enemas also enhance bile

flow, further improving the liver's ability to process

and rid itself of waste material.

About Max Gerson, MD Born in 1881 in Wongrowitz,

Germany, Max Gerson is increasingly being seen as one

of the most forward-thinking medical minds of the 20th

century. Gerson, while pursuing his medical education,

suffered from debilitating migraine headaches. He

found that he could prevent them by eliminating fatty,

salty, and preserved foods from his diet.

With the encouragement of his patients, he began using

his diet to treat tuberculosis with remarkable

success, ultimately lecturing about his diet therapy

through Europe until a hostile environment in pre-war

Germany forced him to emigrate in 1933. Gerson

continued to modify his diet therapy, eventually using

it to successfully treat a wide range of ailments,

including heart and kidney failure, lupus, and finally

cancer.

Gerson emigrated to the United States and was licensed

to practice medicine in New York in 1938. He continued

to treat cancer patients, and in 1946 had the

distinction of demonstrating his dietary therapy in

front of the Pepper-Neely Congressional Subcommittee.

The committee heard testimony from several physicians

who had seen firsthand the results of Gerson's

treatment, and from five patients who, under Gerson's

care, had recovered from " terminal " cancers.

Gerson practiced medicine until his death in 1959, one

year after his landmark book A Cancer Therapy was

published. He was eulogized by close friend Albert

Schweitzer, whose wife Gerson had cured of

tuberculosis: " I see him as one of the most eminent

geniuses in the history of medicine. Many of his basic

ideas have been adopted without having his name

connected with them. He has achieved more than seemed

possible under adverse conditions. He leaves a legacy

which commands attention and which will assure him his

due place. Those whom he cured will now attest to the

truth of his ideas. "

*********

My comments. It is my understanding the the NCI is

presently subsidizing a clinicial trial of coffee

enemas for cancer patients with Dr. ,

M.D. in New York.

For more information go to www.maxgerson.com

Gerald

--- Sovereign57 <sovereign57@...> wrote:

> What's the difference from taking coffee from the

> top down or the bottom up since it is one big drain

> from your mouth to your butt? I don't get why you

> are not supposed to drink coffee but it is ok to use

> as am enema. Doesn't it stimulate the intestine

> either way and isn't it absorbed in the intestine

> either way? Sorry if this seems gross to some on the

> list who are not battling cancer, I just don't know

> how else to ask this question. I guess I could blame

> that on the part of my brain that the doc removed

> LOL.

>

> Eileen

>

> Re: Question about coffee

>

> I went out today to find soem organic coffee, to

> use for enema's. I can't

> figure out what to buy. they have so many

> selections, Breakfast blend,

> Mexican blend, jamacin blend, french roast,

> english brew, etc, etc. Don't

> they make just regular everyday, ordinary coffee

> any more? What do other

> people use.

>

> I'm so confused, so frustrated. Klaus

>

December 23, 2001

Gerald,

Thank you for the information but your comment is way out of line.

The truth about coffee enemas is not hard to find

and/or understand -- if you care to look -- which I

suspect you do not.

I was diagnosed with Brain/Lung cancer 11/1/2001 when a tumor was shutting

off the 4th vetrical in my brain which caused fluid build up, intense

headaches, visual disturbances, staggering, low body temp (95.2), erratic

blood pressure and an inability to care for my 3 year old. For two months

before this the doctors thought I simply had an allergy related sinus

problem. I had the brain tumor removed and have been doing intense research

to heal the nodule the doctors say is in my lung. So I am not an old hat at

this like some of you so you really should not be so hard on someone asking

a question.

You could not possibly know what I care to understand. I am 44 years old and

am the 3rd sister to develope lung cancer. My other 2 sisters were 32 when

they developed this dis-ease. My mother and grandfather also died from lung

cancer. Radiation treatments killed 3 of the 4 by speeding up the growth

rate of the cancer. The other sister had chemo and surgery in 1990, she is

still walking around but nearly died from the treatment. I know it is toxins

in my system that caused this to happen as I complained for the past 2 years

about obvious toxic symptoms to my doctor. I am currently detoxifying and

will heal from this dis-ease. My body is already showing signs of

improvement. I just want to help it as best I can. Anyway, back to the topic

at hand.

I have read in several of the natural cure programs to avoid coffee because

of the caffeine. It just seems to me that since it stimulates the digestive

process with ingestion by drinking that I honestly don't know what the

difference is about which way it goes in. If you were to tell me that the

digestive juices lessen the amount of stimulation, changes the chemistry,

that the biochemical stimulation of the glutathione-s-transferase system is

lessened or something like that, then that would make sense. But since it is

the colon that absorbs liquids, I just wanted to know what the difference

was on the way it goes in. Most of the natural protecols call for high

enema's. So my curiosity is about the coffee.

Eileen

Re: Question about coffee

> >

> > I went out today to find soem organic coffee, to

> > use for enema's. I can't

> > figure out what to buy. they have so many

> > selections, Breakfast blend,

> > Mexican blend, jamacin blend, french roast,

> > english brew, etc, etc. Don't

> > they make just regular everyday, ordinary coffee

> > any more? What do other

> > people use.

> >

> > I'm so confused, so frustrated. Klaus

> >

December 23, 2001

Sovereign57: My comments merely reflect my

experiences on this and other cancer boards.

Week after week, month after month, we wade through

the cries for help from people who have been stricken

with this horrble disease who, apparently, have never

given this a damned thought in all of their lives ----

until after theyyy get it!!!!!!!!! It saddens me and

perhaps I've become cynical. You see, I believe,

before these alternative therapies can really offer

you the most protection, is before you get the

disease --- not years after, years after your entire

family tree sucumbs to cancer!!! Although I don't

want you to lose hope, there are many exceptions! You

have much to think about, much to learn and I am just

so surprised that you would raise the question you

have raised in the (flippant?) manner you chose.

How many times have I heard, when discussing coffee

enemas, the pejorative remark. " I prefer my coffee

inserted in the other end " ?

I do not consider your question a serious one, rather

I consider your remarks as qualifying more as

" schmoozing " than as an effort to research

information. Now, please -- get to work and prove me

wrong!

Gerald

--- Sovereign57 <sovereign57@...> wrote:

> Gerald,

>

> Thank you for the information but your comment is

> way out of line.

>

> The truth about coffee enemas is not hard to find

> and/or understand -- if you care to look -- which I

> suspect you do not.

>

> I was diagnosed with Brain/Lung cancer 11/1/2001

> when a tumor was shutting

> off the 4th vetrical in my brain which caused fluid

> build up, intense

> headaches, visual disturbances, staggering, low body

> temp (95.2), erratic

> blood pressure and an inability to care for my 3

> year old. For two months

> before this the doctors thought I simply had an

> allergy related sinus

> problem. I had the brain tumor removed and have been

> doing intense research

> to heal the nodule the doctors say is in my lung. So

> I am not an old hat at

> this like some of you so you really should not be so

> hard on someone asking

> a question.

>

> You could not possibly know what I care to

> understand. I am 44 years old and

> am the 3rd sister to develope lung cancer. My other

> 2 sisters were 32 when

> they developed this dis-ease. My mother and

> grandfather also died from lung

> cancer. Radiation treatments killed 3 of the 4 by

> speeding up the growth

> rate of the cancer. The other sister had chemo and

> surgery in 1990, she is

> still walking around but nearly died from the

> treatment. I know it is toxins

> in my system that caused this to happen as I

> complained for the past 2 years

> about obvious toxic symptoms to my doctor. I am

> currently detoxifying and

> will heal from this dis-ease. My body is already

> showing signs of

> improvement. I just want to help it as best I can.

> Anyway, back to the topic

> at hand.

>

> I have read in several of the natural cure programs

> to avoid coffee because

> of the caffeine. It just seems to me that since it

> stimulates the digestive

> process with ingestion by drinking that I honestly

> don't know what the

> difference is about which way it goes in. If you

> were to tell me that the

> digestive juices lessen the amount of stimulation,

> changes the chemistry,

> that the biochemical stimulation of the

> glutathione-s-transferase system is

> lessened or something like that, then that would

> make sense. But since it is

> the colon that absorbs liquids, I just wanted to

> know what the difference

> was on the way it goes in. Most of the natural

> protecols call for high

> enema's. So my curiosity is about the coffee.

>

> Eileen

>

> Re: Question about coffee

>

> > Sovereign57

> > The truth about coffee enemas is not hard to find

> > and/or understand -- if you care to look -- which

> I

> > suspect you do not.

> >

> > " The main mechanism for detoxification on the

> Gerson

> > Therapy occurs through the use of coffee enemas.

> The

> > scientific and biological effects of this unusual

> but

> > crucial procedure are well documented. Briefly,

> the

> > coffee enema has been shown in the medical

> literature

> > to stimulate production of enzymes in the liver

> that

> > enhance the removal of toxins and waste materials

> from

> > the bloodstream, while also promoting increased

> bile

> > flow. The enemas are used both for detoxification

> and

> > for pain relief, and their safety and efficacy is

> well

> > documented; in tens of thousands of patients

> treated

> > in the past 50 years, there are only two reports

> of

> > complications in the medical literature, and in

> both

> > cases, the patients were misusing the treatment

> and

> > were not under the care of a physician.

> >

> > Supplements and medications The Gerson Therapy

> uses

> > several common, readily available supplements and

> > medications to stimulate cellular metabolism,

> support

> > liver function, enhance detoxification and help

> the

> > body digest and absorb the large quantities of

> food

> > consumed on the diet. Potassium, thyroid, iodine,

> (as

> > Lugol's solution) , are prescribed and

> administered

> > under a doctor's care. Crude liver extract,

> pancreatic

> > and digestive enzymes, co-enzyme Q-10, and other

> > natural further enhance the healing process. All

> > medications and supplements used by the Gerson

> Therapy

> > are classed as biologicals, and are either FDA

> > approved or exempt from regulation.

> >

> > The science behind the therapy The Gerson therapy

> is

> > strongly rooted in sound scientific and

> biochemical

> > principles. The core dietary and biochemical

> > principles developed by Max Gerson, MD have been

> > repeatedly validated over the last 40 years in

> over

> > 300 articles in the peer-reviewed medical

> literature.

> > The two senior physicians at Meridien have

> enhanced

> > and refined the application of Gerson's protocol

> > through careful empirical study in combination

> with

> > review of the latest advances in nontoxic

> approaches

> > to healing. The resulting protocol, as practiced

> at

> > Meridien, offers the most up-to-date approach to

> > treatment, while still adhering 100% to Gerson's

> > original ideals.

> >

> > One of the most crucial principles of Gerson

> medicine

> > is the synergistic interaction between the three

> > primary elements of the treatment. Without a

> complete

> > understanding of all of the implications, any

> > alterations, deviations, or other variations from

> > Gerson's original protocol, no matter how slight,

> can

> > adversely impact the effectiveness of the

> treatment.

> > The interaction of the nutritional,

> detoxification,

> > and supplementation elements have a synergistic

> > effect; the whole effect is much greater than the

> sum

> > of the parts. Some of the most important aspects

> > follow:

> >

> > 1. Reduced protein intake is combined with the

> near

> > elimination of sodium and dietary fats. Numerous

> > studies show that temporary protein reduction

> > stimulates enhanced T-cell immune response. The

> > curtailing of dietary fat and sodium contributes

> to

> > rapid reduction in intracellular edema and

> enhanced

> > cellular waste elimination, cell respiration, and

> cell

> > function.

> >

> > 2. Thyroid, iodine, and potassium supplementation

> acts

> > to dramatically increase both metabolic and

> cellular

> > potassium absorption, as well as providing

> > non-specific enhancement of immune response, and,

> in

> > most cases, rapid, long-term reduction of pain.

> Other

> > supplements like niacin, pancreatin,

> acidoll-pepsin,

>

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__________________________________________________

December 23, 2001

www.sawilsons.com

Don't know if it is still recommended by Gerson, etc., but may be worth

checking into.

's coffee is a certified organic coffee that has been specifically

blended and roasted with enema use in mind. 's coffee is recommended

by the Gerson Institute, Dr. D. Kelley, and Oasis of Hope.

Melinda Wiman

www.cancure.org

The Cancer Cure Foundation

(800) 282-2873

Information and referrals on alternative approaches to treating cancer

Re: Question about coffee

> I went out today to find soem organic coffee, to use for enema's. I can't

> figure out what to buy. they have so many selections, Breakfast blend,

> Mexican blend, jamacin blend, french roast, english brew, etc, etc. Don't

> they make just regular everyday, ordinary coffee any more? What do other

> people use.

>

> I'm so confused, so frustrated. Klaus

December 23, 2001

Re: Question about coffee

>What's the difference from taking coffee from the top down or the bottom up

since it is one big drain from your mouth to your butt? I don't get why you

are not supposed to drink coffee but it is ok to use as am enema. Doesn't it

stimulate the intestine either way and isn't it absorbed in the intestine

either way? Sorry if this seems gross to some on the list who are not

battling cancer, I just don't know how else to ask this question. I guess I

could blame that on the part of my brain that the doc removed LOL.

>

>Eileen

>

> Re: Question about coffee

>

> I went out today to find soem organic coffee, to use for enema's. I

can't

> figure out what to buy. they have so many selections, Breakfast blend,

> Mexican blend, jamacin blend, french roast, english brew, etc, etc.

Don't

> they make just regular everyday, ordinary coffee any more? What do

other

> people use.

>

> I'm so confused, so frustrated. Klaus

>

December 23, 2001

You know what? Gerald; I think your comments were way out of line, as well.

I don't know anyone that spends much time at all researching stuff that

doesn't really seem to impact their lives. Like cancer, for instance, May

we see a show of hands, of those people that knew they were going to get

cancer?????????????????????, I Myself,,,,, thought I was doing everything

right. I was a vegatarian for 16 years, i studied many different healing

techniques( which most people don't do) I thought I was happy, and reasonably

healthy, and had no clue I would get cancer even the first time, let alone

the second. Yes I've known about some of these cancer cures, like the

basics, b-17, vegatarian diet, releasing negative emotions, etc. But until

you're in it your self you go through life thinking you have all the answers.

I'm here to tell you you don't, and neither did I. When you get cancer and

only then, is when you find out just how much you really don't know. Like

dosages, and exactly, how to release these negative emotions. And about the

coffee enema's , I thought I hand that all undercontrol until I actually went

in to a store to buy coffee. I had no idea that the yuppies had stuffed

their influence even into the organic coffee industry. You also find out

how many people in the world, think they know something, but when it comes

right down to it, haven't a clue. Like counselors, and hypnotists, and

almost all the other " Healers " in the world. You also find out what your

friends are really made of, and how much support you really have available,

(practically none) as well as the nearly total incompetance of the medical

profession. I really think you need to rethink your position on this. There

are a lot of people that have never heard of Gerson or his diet or enema's.

You need to find some humility so that you can spread the word about this

very important eliment of healing cancer. Rather than detracting from my

original concern about what kind of coffee I need to buy. I need something

that I can get locally. Not have to wait for 2 weeks to get.

Thanks You Klaus

In a message dated 12/22/01 10:36:28 PM, postman23_2000@... writes:

>Sovereign57: My comments merely reflect my

>experiences on this and other cancer boards.

>Week after week, month after month, we wade through

>the cries for help from people who have been stricken

>with this horrble disease who, apparently, have never

>given this a damned thought in all of their lives ----

> until after theyyy get it!!!!!!!!! It saddens me and

>perhaps I've become cynical. You see, I believe,

>before these alternative therapies can really offer

>you the most protection, is before you get the

>disease --- not years after, years after your entire

>family tree sucumbs to cancer!!! Although I don't

>want you to lose hope, there are many exceptions! You

>have much to think about, much to learn and I am just

>so surprised that you would raise the question you

>have raised in the (flippant?) manner you chose.

>How many times have I heard, when discussing coffee

>enemas, the pejorative remark. " I prefer my coffee

>inserted in the other end " ?

>

>I do not consider your question a serious one, rather

>I consider your remarks as qualifying more as

> " schmoozing " than as an effort to research

>information. Now, please -- get to work and prove me

>wrong!

>

>Gerald

>

>--- Sovereign57 <sovereign57@...> wrote:

>> Gerald,

>>

>> Thank you for the information but your comment is

>> way out of line.

>>

>> The truth about coffee enemas is not hard to find

>> and/or understand -- if you care to look -- which I

>> suspect you do not.

>>

>> I was diagnosed with Brain/Lung cancer 11/1/2001

>> when a tumor was shutting

>> off the 4th vetrical in my brain which caused fluid

>> build up, intense

>> headaches, visual disturbances, staggering, low body

>> temp (95.2), erratic

>> blood pressure and an inability to care for my 3

>> year old. For two months

>> before this the doctors thought I simply had an

>> allergy related sinus

>> problem. I had the brain tumor removed and have been

>> doing intense research

>> to heal the nodule the doctors say is in my lung. So

>> I am not an old hat at

>> this like some of you so you really should not be so

>> hard on someone asking

>> a question.

>>

>> You could not possibly know what I care to

>> understand. I am 44 years old and

>> am the 3rd sister to develope lung cancer. My other

>> 2 sisters were 32 when

>> they developed this dis-ease. My mother and

>> grandfather also died from lung

>> cancer. Radiation treatments killed 3 of the 4 by

>> speeding up the growth

>> rate of the cancer. The other sister had chemo and

>> surgery in 1990, she is

>> still walking around but nearly died from the

>> treatment. I know it is toxins

>> in my system that caused this to happen as I

>> complained for the past 2 years

>> about obvious toxic symptoms to my doctor. I am

>> currently detoxifying and

>> will heal from this dis-ease. My body is already

>> showing signs of

>> improvement. I just want to help it as best I can.

>> Anyway, back to the topic

>> at hand.

>>

>> I have read in several of the natural cure programs

>> to avoid coffee because

>> of the caffeine. It just seems to me that since it

>> stimulates the digestive

>> process with ingestion by drinking that I honestly

>> don't know what the

>> difference is about which way it goes in. If you

>> were to tell me that the

>> digestive juices lessen the amount of stimulation,

>> changes the chemistry,

>> that the biochemical stimulation of the

>> glutathione-s-transferase system is

>> lessened or something like that, then that would

>> make sense. But since it is

>> the colon that absorbs liquids, I just wanted to

>> know what the difference

>> was on the way it goes in. Most of the natural

>> protecols call for high

>> enema's. So my curiosity is about the coffee.

>>

>> Eileen

>>

>> Re: Question about coffee

>>

>> > Sovereign57

>> > The truth about coffee enemas is not hard to find

>> > and/or understand -- if you care to look -- which

>> I

>> > suspect you do not.

December 23, 2001

Thanks Klaus,

I had been a big coffee drinker for years and giving it up was not easy but if

it will help me then so be it. I used to kid with my friends to just hook my

coffee pot up to an iv LOL. I have picked up Hulda 's book and read data

where it is recommended to stay away from caffiene and I think I will follow

this advice instead. Some of the others recommend essiac, red clover or other

herbs for this same purpose. I was told it was healthy to maintain my sense of

humor during all of this and I've done a pretty good job of that even if it does

seem flippant to others. Like when the brain surgeon said if the tumor returns

in my brain that they can use a gamma knife. I thought, oh great, he'll use his

ray gun and burn holes in my brain. I told my boys 7 & 9 who are old enough to

understand that I had a soar in my head that the doctors had to fix, they don't

know their mom is dealing with cancer. It isn't easy to keep your chin up all

the time but I do it for them. My 3 year old little girl helps me load the

hopper of my juicer and willing tastes the concoctions mom comes up with even

though some have been a bad mix or tasted like it smells when daddy cuts the

grass. We laugh and make funny faces at each other.

I decided to come to these boards because I have great faith in God that I will

heal from this dis-ease and since their is not much mention of lung cancer here

that others would have hope. I have been to some of the conventional boards and

their is such an aire of doom and gloom. I get angry when I read some doctor

that replies to a persons quest with hope and the doctor tells them their is no

hope. This dis-ease knocks us down a few pegs on it's own without someone else

adding to it. I have started a 30 day juice fast using Dr Schutze Incurables

Program. This morning I made sure I filled up on my juices before making

breakfast for my family. It was very tempting to bite into one of those

buttermilk biscuits LOL. But I was a good girl :-) I was told to wash my produce

with a product called Fit and maybe that would help wash your coffee beans with.

I would think that all coffee is sprayed with something since it is imported,

that is unless you live where they grow it locally. I also use flax seed oil

with my morning mix of 2 oranges, 1/2 lemmon, 1 clove garlic & 1 inch of ginger.

It seems to bind with the juice after I stir it up and I take it with one

capsule of MSM to make sure I have enough sulfer for binding, just in case.

Dr Day has also been an inspiration and although I do not have her video's she

did do a radio interview that is published on line. I mention this because she

used the Gerson method as her base therapy in combination with others. It is 3

pages and I enjoyed reading it. Here is the link in case anyone else would like

to read it.

http://members.aol.com/vetcenter1/cancer1.htm

Regards,

Eileen

Re: Question about coffee

>>

>> > Sovereign57

>> > The truth about coffee enemas is not hard to find

>> > and/or understand -- if you care to look -- which

>> I

>> > suspect you do not.

December 24, 2001

Sovereign57

You, having had a brain tumor removed and already

talking about a gamma knife procedure, should it

reoccur, need be familiar with this option.

I had the misfortune to tune into Adelphia Cable

Channel 23 last night re St.

Jude Medical Clinic treating children with

medullblastoma with radiation and

chemo therapy.

THERE IS A NON TOXIC CURE FOR MEDULLBLASTOMA FROM THE

BURZYNSKI CLINIC IN

HUSTON, TEX. (WWW.CANCERMED.COM).

You can read testimonials from the " Patients Page "

from children who have

been given little time to live but are alive and well

several years later.

Consider giving this treatment equal time. Though not

yet approved by the

FDA, there are 72 clinical trials being conducted, the

results from which are

astounding.

Don Schendel

Mission Hills, Calif.

Also visit BurzynskiSupport

and, if at all possible, purchase the Dr. Day tape,

" Cancer Doesn't Scare Me Anymore " .

Gerald

--- Sovereign57 <sovereign57@...> wrote:

> Thanks Klaus,

>

> I had been a big coffee drinker for years and giving

> it up was not easy but if it will help me then so be

> it. I used to kid with my friends to just hook my

> coffee pot up to an iv LOL. I have picked up Hulda

> 's book and read data where it is recommended

> to stay away from caffiene and I think I will follow

> this advice instead. Some of the others recommend

> essiac, red clover or other herbs for this same

> purpose. I was told it was healthy to maintain my

> sense of humor during all of this and I've done a

> pretty good job of that even if it does seem

> flippant to others. Like when the brain surgeon said

> if the tumor returns in my brain that they can use a

> gamma knife. I thought, oh great, he'll use his ray

> gun and burn holes in my brain. I told my boys 7 & 9

> who are old enough to understand that I had a soar

> in my head that the doctors had to fix, they don't

> know their mom is dealing with cancer. It isn't easy

> to keep your chin up all the time but I do it for

> them. My 3 year old little girl helps me load the

> hopper of my juicer and willing tastes the

> concoctions mom comes up with even though some have

> been a bad mix or tasted like it smells when daddy

> cuts the grass. We laugh and make funny faces at

> each other.

>

> I decided to come to these boards because I have

> great faith in God that I will heal from this

> dis-ease and since their is not much mention of lung

> cancer here that others would have hope. I have been

> to some of the conventional boards and their is such

> an aire of doom and gloom. I get angry when I read

> some doctor that replies to a persons quest with

> hope and the doctor tells them their is no hope.

> This dis-ease knocks us down a few pegs on it's own

> without someone else adding to it. I have started a

> 30 day juice fast using Dr Schutze Incurables

> Program. This morning I made sure I filled up on my

> juices before making breakfast for my family. It was

> very tempting to bite into one of those buttermilk

> biscuits LOL. But I was a good girl :-) I was told

> to wash my produce with a product called Fit and

> maybe that would help wash your coffee beans with. I

> would think that all coffee is sprayed with

> something since it is imported, that is unless you

> live where they grow it locally. I also use flax

> seed oil with my morning mix of 2 oranges, 1/2

> lemmon, 1 clove garlic & 1 inch of ginger. It seems

> to bind with the juice after I stir it up and I take

> it with one capsule of MSM to make sure I have

> enough sulfer for binding, just in case.

>

> Dr Day has also been an inspiration and although I

> do not have her video's she did do a radio interview

> that is published on line. I mention this because

> she used the Gerson method as her base therapy in

> combination with others. It is 3 pages and I enjoyed

> reading it. Here is the link in case anyone else

> would like to read it.

>

> http://members.aol.com/vetcenter1/cancer1.htm

>

> Regards,

> Eileen

>

> Re: Question about coffee

>

> You know what? Gerald; I think your comments

> were way out of line, as well.

> I don't know anyone that spends much time at all

> researching stuff that

> doesn't really seem to impact their lives. Like

> cancer, for instance, May

> we see a show of hands, of those people that knew

> they were going to get

> cancer?????????????????????, I Myself,,,,,

> thought I was doing everything

> right. I was a vegatarian for 16 years, i studied

> many different healing

> techniques( which most people don't do) I thought

> I was happy, and reasonably

> healthy, and had no clue I would get cancer even

> the first time, let alone

> the second. Yes I've known about some of these

> cancer cures, like the

> basics, b-17, vegatarian diet, releasing negative

> emotions, etc. But until

> you're in it your self you go through life

> thinking you have all the answers.

> I'm here to tell you you don't, and neither did I.

> When you get cancer and

> only then, is when you find out just how much you

> really don't know. Like

> dosages, and exactly, how to release these

> negative emotions. And about the

> coffee enema's , I thought I hand that all

> undercontrol until I actually went

> in to a store to buy coffee. I had no idea that

> the yuppies had stuffed

> their influence even into the organic coffee

> industry. You also find out

> how many people in the world, think they know

> something, but when it comes

> right down to it, haven't a clue. Like

> counselors, and hypnotists, and

> almost all the other " Healers " in the world. You

> also find out what your

> friends are really made of, and how much support

> you really have available,

> (practically none) as well as the nearly total

> incompetance of the medical

> profession. I really think you need to rethink

> your position on this. There

> are a lot of people that have never heard of

> Gerson or his diet or enema's.

> You need to find some humility so that you can

> spread the word about this

> very important eliment of healing cancer. Rather

> than detracting from my

> original concern about what kind of coffee I need

> to buy. I need something

> that I can get locally. Not have to wait for 2

> weeks to get.

>

> Thanks You Klaus

> In a message dated 12/22/01 10:36:28 PM,

> postman23_2000@... writes:

>

> >Sovereign57: My comments merely reflect my

> >experiences on this and other cancer boards.

> >Week after week, month after month, we wade

> through

> >the cries for help from people who have been

> stricken

> >with this horrble disease who, apparently, have

> never

> >given this a damned thought in all of their lives

> ----

> > until after theyyy get it!!!!!!!!! It saddens

> me and

> >perhaps I've become cynical. You see, I believe,

> >before these alternative therapies can really

> offer

> >you the most protection, is before you get the

> >disease --- not years after, years after your

> entire

> >family tree sucumbs to cancer!!! Although I

> don't

> >want you to lose hope, there are many exceptions!

> You

> >have much to think about, much to learn and I am

> just

> >so surprised that you would raise the question

> you

> >have raised in the (flippant?) manner you chose.

>

> >How many times have I heard, when discussing

> coffee

> >enemas, the pejorative remark. " I prefer my

> coffee

> >inserted in the other end " ?

> >

> >I do not consider your question a serious one,

> rather

> >I consider your remarks as qualifying more as

> > " schmoozing " than as an effort to research

> >information. Now, please -- get to work and prove

> me

> >wrong!

> >

> >Gerald

> >

> >--- Sovereign57 <sovereign57@...> wrote:

> >> Gerald,

> >>

> >> Thank you for the information but your comment

> is

> >> way out of line.

> >>

> >> The truth about coffee enemas is not hard to

> find

> >> and/or understand -- if you care to look --

> which I

> >> suspect you do not.

> >>

> >> I was diagnosed with Brain/Lung cancer

> 11/1/2001

> >> when a tumor was shutting

> >> off the 4th vetrical in my brain which caused

> fluid

> >> build up, intense

> >> headaches, visual disturbances, staggering, low

> body

> >> temp (95.2), erratic

>

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__________________________________________________

December 24, 2001

Hi Eileen; Actually I was planning on trying the coffee enema's, My doc,

advocates them and many people at the clinic I go to, I'm told, are doing

them. But this is one of those subjects, like sex, that people don't want

to discuss. I've asked all sorts of people how to do this. No one will tell

me. I did get a response from Mildred (thanks) and she gave the best

response she could, but I was hoping for more of a brand name that I could

purchase locally.

As for the rest of my response, I just really took offense of Geralds comment

about people not researching all the alternatives cancer treatments before

they got cancer. I thought that was quite ludicris. We have our live to live

before we get cancer, after, we are so over whelmed with everything that we

can't research everything. That's why we have groups like this.

Thanks for the info about your regimen, all of this helps.

Klaus

In a message dated 12/23/01 6:09:58 PM, sovereign57@... writes:

<< Thanks Klaus,

I had been a big coffee drinker for years and giving it up was not easy but

if it will help me then so be it. I used to kid with my friends to just hook

my coffee pot up to an iv LOL. I have picked up Hulda 's book and read

data where it is recommended to stay away from caffiene and I think I will

follow this advice instead. Some of the others recommend essiac, red clover

or other herbs for this same purpose. I was told it was healthy to maintain

my sense of humor during all of this and I've done a pretty good job of that

even if it does seem flippant to others. Like when the brain surgeon said if

the tumor returns in my brain that they can use a gamma knife. I thought, oh

great, he'll use his ray gun and burn holes in my brain. I told my boys 7 & 9

who are old enough to understand that I had a soar in my head that the

doctors had to fix, they don't know their mom is dealing with cancer. It

isn't easy to keep your chin up all the time but I do it for them. My 3 year

old little girl helps me load the hopper of my juicer and willing tastes the

concoctions mom comes up with even though some have been a bad mix or tasted

like it smells when daddy cuts the grass. We laugh and make funny faces at

each other.

I decided to come to these boards because I have great faith in God that I

will heal from this dis-ease and since their is not much mention of lung

cancer here that others would have hope. I have been to some of the

conventional boards and their is such an aire of doom and gloom. I get angry

when I read some doctor that replies to a persons quest with hope and the

doctor tells them their is no hope. This dis-ease knocks us down a few pegs

on it's own without someone else adding to it. I have started a 30 day juice

fast using Dr Schutze Incurables Program. This morning I made sure I filled

up on my juices before making breakfast for my family. It was very tempting

to bite into one of those buttermilk biscuits LOL. But I was a good girl :-)

I was told to wash my produce with a product called Fit and maybe that would

help wash your coffee beans with. I would think that all coffee is sprayed

with something since it is imported, that is unless you live where they grow

it locally. I also use flax seed oil with my morning mix of 2 oranges, 1/2

lemmon, 1 clove garlic & 1 inch of ginger. It seems to bind with the juice

after I stir it up and I take it with one capsule of MSM to make sure I have

enough sulfer for binding, just in case. >>

December 25, 2001

Hi Klaus,

When my mom and 2 sisters were diagnosed 1984-1990 the doctors told us it was

genetic and some environmental exposure must have triggered it. My mom worked

for the subway (fumes) and my 2 sisters were exposed to chemicals with their

jobs. The doctors also told us remaining 3 sisters that we had a 1 in 4

(genetic) chance of getting this dis-ease even if we were never exposed to 2nd

hand smoke. I moved out to the country and stayed away from as many toxins as

possible thinking that was a safer way to live. At no time as we have all come

to learn did the doctor ever talk about nutrition or foods that would help give

us added protection. The only thing they added to their warning was to watch our

alkaline phosphate levels whenever we had blood work as that would be an

indicator of this dis-ease. Funny thing, when I had the brain tumor removed my

blood level of alkaline phosphates was smack dab in the middle, it basically

will indicate bone involvement. I have to admit my diet was poor but that was

mainly due to the pain in my abdomen that never went away after my appendectomy.

Anyway, based upon the misconception of the doctors for this disease I was given

bad information that never lead me to research this arena. Plus at the time the

internet was not what it is today and I wasn't even online then. My mom had

tried the high vitamin C route but the doctors were killing her with radiation

treatments. She once asked us to just put her out on the porch in the middle of

winter so she could catch pneumonia and die. Now I find this cold shock

treatment might have actually been helpful. One of my daily routines is hot and

cold showers to pump the lymph glands plus sitting on a 36 " trampoline and

bouncing for the same reason. I picked one of these little trampolines up at

Wal-Mart for $20. When I told my sister who went the chemo route 11 years ago

about my decision she reminded me that my mom tried the vitamin route and it

didn't help her. I kindly told her that I know a lot more than mom did back then

LOL. The doctors think they can cure me by cutting me but what they don't tell

me is the 50% reoccurrence or full body explosion of the dis-ease after surgery.

The doctors will only confirm my research after I tell them I know the

statistics. How sad I felt when I went to the oncologists office. I thought, how

many of you are they killing. The oncologist even has a bowl of candy at the

sign in desk. I thought, great go ahead and feed these people's sugar craving

tumors. I am going to give my oncologist a piece of my mind concerning his candy

bowl the next time I see him and suggest he put a water cooler in its place.

After all isn't thirst or a dry mouth why someone would reach for that candy.

Not only that, how much thrush from the chemo these patients have had is it

feeding!

So you are right, I was led to look in the wrong direction even with this family

history of cancer. I no longer look at it as a genetic form of lung cancer but

more as a genetic tendency towards a weakness in the immune system. I work on my

families genealogy and may have mentioned earlier that I found another distant

cousin line that also has this tendency in the females. I have been sending all

that I have been finding to a weak cousin who is also battling this lung cancer

right now and have passed on this info to my other cousins so that they can

educate their families about a tendency towards a weakness in the immune system.

Hopefully more lives in my family will be saved rather than lost.

God Bless us all and Merry Christmas,

Eileen

PS) Thank you Gerald, I read your message about Bursynski and have been reading

the data on his research as well as taking shark liver oil for 30 days. I read a

person needs a break from it like some of the other supplements. I was taking

the apricot kernels but ground up they irritated my sinuses. I then tried mixing

them with a little honey to make a ball that I can swallow without them washing

up the back of my throat, it helped a lot. Now I am sprouting mung beans so I

can cut back on the apricot kernels for my B-17. I also use castor oil packs on

my chest (affected area) at night. I've also added transfer factor and transfer

factor plus to my daily supplements as the research seems to indicate a strong

boost in macrophage activity and 1 oz of essiac tea. I cheated a little on my

juice regiment and ate some fresh blueberries and they passed right through me

within 4 hours so how's that for getting to work on my system LOL.