Selenium

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I think i am going to stop putting the whey into my smoothies in the morning.

just to see if that

is the culprit!!! i'll let you know.

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in order for selenuium to be activate it needs cofactors copper, zinc

and vitamin E other wise it useless.

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> " SELENIUM is the primary mineral responsible for T4 to T3 conversion

in the LIVER.

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> zoe,

> which form of selenium is required

> sandra

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thanks,hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> wrote: in order for selenuium to be activate it needs cofactors copper, zinc and vitamin E other wise it useless. >> "SELENIUM is the primary mineral responsible for T4 to T3 conversion in the LIVER.> > > zoe,> which form of selenium is required> sandra> > >

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Hi all, <and Jan ;-) >

I wanted to share some information about selenium with you.

Anyhow, wanted to let you know something about selenium...it *must* be

balanced with copper and zinc to work properly and to not make you sick.

Too much selenium can be dangerous. I am one of those thyroid patients who

know the benefits, have seen the consequences of not balancing properly with

copper and zinc also and do mostly alternative medicine now.

Just an FYI, Jody

" Symptoms of selenium toxicity include hair, tooth and nail loss and

dermatitis. " (Ontario)

" The toxicity of most forms of selenium is low and the toxicity depends on the

chemical

form of selenium. The acute ingestion of selenious acid is almost invariably

fatal, preceded

by stupor, hypotension, and respiratory depression. Chronic selenium poisoning

has been

reported in China where changes in the hair and nails resulted from excessive

environmental exposures to selenium. Garlic odor on the breath is an indication

of

excessive selenium exposure as a result of the expiration of dimethyl selenide.

The US

National Toxicology Program lists selenium sulfide as an animal carcinogen, but

there is

no evidence that other selenium compounds are carcinogens. " (Barceloux)

" Selenium toxicity can occur from either acute or chronic exposure. ...

Individuals often

develop characteristic symptoms including a garlic or sour breath odor, nausea,

vomiting,

abdominal pain, restlessness, hypersalivation, and muscle spasms. Death is

preceded by

refractory hypotension from direct myocardial depression and peripheral

vasodilation. ...

Heavily exposed individuals may demonstrate gastroenteritis [inflammation of the

lining of

the stomach and intestines], hair and nail changes, and neurologic

manifestations

including acroparesthesias [a disease marked by tingling, numbness, and

stiffness in the

extremities], weakness, convulsions, and decreased cognitive function. "

(Strukle)

" The optimal size of dose for supplementation is controversial with respect to

both

efficacy and safety. In China, selenosis was observed in some individuals with a

sustained

intake of at least 750 micrograms/day [0.75 milligrams/day]but was not observed

among

others with intakes exceeding 1 mg. [1 milligram/day]... A large-scale Se human

intervention trial in the United States suggests no harm due to long-term Se

intake of

more than 200 micrograms/day [0.2 milligrams/day]. " ()

Hofbauer and colleagues report " a patient in whom, along with standard therapy,

administration of large intravenous doses of selenite for sepsis secondary to

pneumonia

resulted in development of marked hypothyroidism. In addition, severe iodine

deficiency

was noted, and supplementation with iodine led to normalization of thyroid

function. " (Hofbauer)

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/PPI/UnconventionalTherapies/Selenium.htm

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I think what we need to shoot for is a balance. These studies look at one mineral or vitamin out of context of the other that it works with. This is why I take a multi mineral seperate from my multi vitamin. I take extra selenium, but in small amounts; I also take extra iodine and extra mag and cal in addition to my multi mineral. I don't want to take them seperately in large amounts. I really believe that balance is important because they don't work alone in our bodies; they work together and enhance each other. I was taking iodine in a rather large amount, but I am cutting back for now. I am trying to achieve balance in my eating and in my supplementation. C. http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/http://www.youngliving.com - essential oils for healthy livinghttp://www.stopthethyroidmadness.comcccquilter53@...Embroidery from the Heart http://Embfromtheheart.etsy.com

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I Googled "selenomethionine & methylselenocysteine & thyroid" this morning and found this:The thyroid gland contains more selenium per gram of tissue than any other organ. Hydrogen peroxide is produced to catalyze iodination of thyroglobulin, which is degraded by glutathione peroxidase (thereby controlling the rate of thyroglobulin production. The selenium-containing iodothyronine deiodinase enzyme converts thyroid hormone from inactive (T4) to active (T3) form. Thyroid problems have been linked to selenium deficiency. T3 normally controls the rate of metabolism and the activity of many other hormones. Although most T3 production occurs in the liver, the thymus gland (which produces T-cells) has a local form of iodothyronine deiodinase, which indicates the importance of selenium for the development and function of thymic cells.Dietary selenium is primarily inorganic selenite or organic selenomethionine. Dietary selenite is more than 80% bioavailable and dietary selenomethionine is more than 90% bioavailable. Selenomethionine is the major seleno-compound in cereal grains, legumes, soybeans and yeast. Brazil nuts can be the richest food source of selenium. Meats and fish can be good sources of selenium, but the amount of selenium in fruits and vegetables is typically low. Garlic, onlions, leaks and broccoli florets, however, are sources of the selenium-containing compound Se-methylselenocysteine.Selenium can be dangerously toxic in higher doses, so a "more is better" attitude is especially hazardous with this mineral. Selenium-poisoning is associated with liver cirrhosis, neurological damage and skin lesions. A 1989 study in China estimated 800μg/day as the upper safe limit, and cut this to 400μg/day for a large margin of safety.http://www.benbest.com/nutrceut/Selenium.htmlThis site also has a good explanation:http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-122865310.html

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Hi ,

They've been providing selenium to agricultural land in Finland these last

twenty + years for the same reason.

They had the same problem as in China ~ Keshan disease (low selenium) causing

cardiac problems.

Prof Margaret Raymen (U of Surrey) has published on this for the last ten or

more years.

I believe Waitrose did a trial (adding selenium) of this for wheat in the UK ~ I

did ask them about it several years ago....but don't know if they already had it

in hand when I asked them.

They do (did?) sell Canadian strong wheat for bread-making, so I suppose they

still do sell it ....

best wishes

Bob

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> For the less knowledgeable folk like me, did anyone see The One Show tonight,

article on Selenium, or should I say the lack of it these days in European soil?

Interesting stuff, the nutritionist suggested it's better to feed the soil over

taking supplements.

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> However, until such time, which is unlikely to be soon, I'll keep taking the

tablets as they say.

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> Enjoy your evening.

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> xx

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Hi ,

By now, Boots ought to have properly labelled their own brand * selenium

supplement

in mcg not mg

ug (greek 'mu') is the alternate abbreviation for micro

100mcg a day ought to be enough, may need more if silver/mercury

amalgams are in place still.

best wishes

Bob

* was in an apple green coloured bottle

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> Hi y'all,

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> I'm just to about to order some new selenium. I have been taking

Bio-Health's 'extra' Selenium 100 ug's. I have been taking one of these

per day. Can anyone recommend any other brands and is 100 ug's

enough..... i can't remeber the conversion of ug's to mcgs.

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> mant thanks,

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> julia

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Hi

I've tried the biocare nutrisorb liquid selenium. I've no complaints about it,

it's about £13.50 for 1 bottle which it says lasts 150 days

http://www.yournutritionshop.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=214

The bottle says take 2 drops a day, which gives 180 micrograms

Dr P's book says take 200mcg a day - he says brazil nuts are a very good source

and says that synthetic forms of selenium aren't very well absorbed so it is

preferable to ensure a good supply in the diet.

Chris

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You should be taking 200 mcgs Selenium . Selenium is

absolutely vital in order to convert the T4 into T3. I buy mine from the local

health food store.

Luv - Sheila

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Subject: selenium

Hi y'all,

I'm just to about to order some

new selenium. I have been taking Bio-Health's 'extra' Selenium 100 ug's. I

have been taking one of these per day. Can anyone recommend any other brands

and is 100 ug's enough..... i can't remeber the conversion of ug's to mcgs.

mant thanks,

julia

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Hi , Healthspan do a 200mcg Selenium, it also has A, C & E in it.

costs £5.45 for 180 tabs or £9.95 for 360.

Hope you find one that suits.

Cheers JaneToo

> Hi y'all,

> I'm just to about to order some new selenium. I have been taking

> Bio-Health's 'extra' Selenium 100 ug's. I have been taking one of these per

day. Can anyone recommend any other brands and is 100 ug's enough..... i can't

remeber the conversion of ug's to mcgs.

> many thanks,

> julia

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Great point Jeanna.. I also love brazil nuts.

I shall go away and see what I can discover

 Rosie

From: jeana brown <jeanabrown23@...>

Subject: selenium

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Date: Thursday, 25 June, 2009, 5:20 PM

Duncan - I am aware of how important selenium is. I am currently taking a

supplement and getting 400 mcg. i know that brazil nuts (which i love) have

selenium. i'd prefer to get selenium from my food. can you provide any

information on how many brazil nuts i'd have to take in to meet my dosage?

thanks!

jb

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*your food source for selenium from whfoods selenium site*

World's Healthiest Foods ranked as quality sources of:

selenium FoodServing

SizeCalsAmount

(mcg)DV

(%)Nutrient

DensityWorld's

Healthiest

Foods Rating Crimini mushrooms, raw5 oz-wt31.236.8552.630.4excellentCod,

baked/broiled4 oz-wt119.153.0775.811.5excellentShrimp, steamed/boiled4 oz-wt

112.344.9164.210.3excellentSnapper, baked/broiled4 oz-wt145.255.5779.49.8

excellentTuna, yellowfin, baked/broiled4

oz-wt157.653.0775.88.7excellentHalibut,

baked/broiled4 oz-wt158.853.0775.88.6excellentCalf's liver, braised4 oz-wt

187.157.8482.67.9excellentMustard seeds2 tsp35.09.9614.27.3very goodSalmon,

chinook, baked/broiled4 oz-wt261.953.0775.85.2excellentEgg, whole, boiled1

each68.213.5519.45.1very goodTurkey breast, roasted4 oz-wt214.333.0047.14.0very

goodLamb loin, roasted4 oz-wt229.134.3649.13.9very goodBarley, cooked1 cup

270.036.4052.03.5very goodOats, whole grain, cooked1 cup145.118.9527.13.4very

goodChicken breast, roasted4 oz-wt223.428.0140.03.2goodTofu, raw4 oz-wt86.2

10.0914.43.0goodBeef tenderloin, lean, broiled4 oz-wt240.427.6739.53.0goodRye,

whole grain, uncooked0.33 cup188.719.8928.42.7goodSunflower seeds, raw0.25

cup205.221.4230.62.7goodGarlic1 oz-wt42.24.035.82.5goodBrown rice, cooked1

cup216.419.1127.32.3goodVenison4 oz-wt179.214.6320.92.1goodBlackstrap

molasses2 tsp32.12.433.51.9goodAsparagus, boiled1 cup43.23.064.41.8goodSpinach,

boiled1 cup41.42.703.91.7goodMozzarella cheese, part-skim, shredded1 oz-wt

72.14.085.81.5good

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:20 AM, jeana brown <jeanabrown23@...>wrote:

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> Duncan - I am aware of how important selenium is. I am currently taking a

> supplement and getting 400 mcg. i know that brazil nuts (which i love) have

> selenium. i'd prefer to get selenium from my food. can you provide any

> information on how many brazil nuts i'd have to take in to meet my dosage?

> thanks!

>

> jb

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Hi Ann,

selenium has been proven to lower thyroid antibodies (or is that autoantibodies,

the unwanted ones anyway). It does seem people with liver disease are

considered low on selenium generally but I dont know the answer for you. Sorry

Til your sure, you could always take selenium rich foods to increase levels and

let your body take what it needs from those.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=95#foodsources

Carole

On 19/09/2009 02:02:27, Ann Schmitt (anniejo614@...) wrote:

> My pcp started me on selenium to help my hypothyroidism. For the last 3-4

> years she has had a difficult time keeping my meds adjusted.

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> My hepatologist went over my meds with me and is not sure if I should be

> taking selenium. He thinks he read some where that it is not good for the

> liver disease. Has anyone heard or read this info???

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> Ann Schmitt Iowa dxd PBC 1993 AIH 2008 HYPOTHYROIDISM 1983 and a

> couple more autoimmune diseases

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Ann, that is news to me...I have had AI thyroid disease since 1992 and after

tweaking, my dose was finalized 4/06 as stabilized at 100mcg L-Thyroxine by

my PCP of 15 years. She has never mentioned selenium. Is your thyroid

doctor regularly testing you for a deficiency to make sure you aren't taking

too much? I haven't found anything definitive about liver/selenium but both

your PCP and your gastro should be researching it. My selenium level has

never been tested, so I will be most interested to read the responses of

others on this issue.

Kay_TX, Hashimoto's, AIH and PBC

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i just read this...steph have you heard of connection to diabetes type 2 and

long term supplmentation of 200 ug of selenium...

" Long-term supplementation with 200 micrograms of selenium daily may adversely

affect glucose metabolism. "

They said this is an important result for public health because

selenium supplements in 30 to 200 microgram doses are used by people

throughout the US and the western world.

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Dawn, do you have a URL for this quote or what is the source of this info?

Thanks, Jill~

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no sorry i dont but it was mentioned in more than one place so easy to find....apparently the jury is out until further studies are completed but this was sited in many places..i will try to find the original source....however i wonder what kind of study it was often studies debunking supplements are not legit studies ...From: lillisilly <evangelnet@...>Subject: Re: seleniumiodine Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 8:12 PM

i just read this...steph have you heard of connection to diabetes type 2 and long term supplmentation of 200 ug of selenium...

"Long-term supplementation with 200 micrograms of selenium daily may adversely affect glucose metabolism."

They said this is an important result for public health because

selenium supplements in 30 to 200 microgram doses are used by people

throughout the US and the western world.

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Dawn, do you have a URL for this quote or what is the source of this info?

Thanks, Jill~

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It is interesting you ask this. I just posted this quote to another member."In areas of the world where iodine and selenium are both

very scarce (e.g. African Zaire), a high percentage of the

population have goiters and hypothyroidism. When selenium

was given to iodine deficient patients who were

hypothyroid, their hypothyroidism not only became worse,

selenium supplementation also produced hypothyroidism

in people who had normal thyroid function. This outcome

caused researchers to realize that these minerals should

both be taken together."We already know that iodine is pretty minimal in the U.S. for a number of reasons. Notably goitrogens. But I have read, some time ago, that U.S. soil is not very rich in selenium, either. I wonder if this could be related to what you read.-Ken Bagwell

>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i just read this...steph have you heard of connection to diabetes type 2 and long term supplmentation of 200 ug of selenium...> > > > "Long-term supplementation with 200 micrograms of selenium daily may adversely affect glucose metabolism."> > > They said this is an important result for public health because> selenium supplements in 30 to 200 microgram doses are used by people> throughout the US and the western world.>

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Selenium is needed along with iodine, zinc, magnesium, L-Tyrosine, vitamin C, vitamin E,and manganese. These are the thyroid support. Also Thyrotrophin PMG is also helpful.

It's complicated. It is an over simplification to say that taking one mineral alone is a benefit or a detriment

From: kenancy2000 <kenancy2000@...>Subject: Re: seleniumiodine Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 5:52 AM

It is interesting you ask this. I just posted this quote to another member.

"In areas of the world where iodine and selenium are both very scarce (e.g. African Zaire), a high percentage of the population have goiters and hypothyroidism. When selenium was given to iodine deficient patients who were hypothyroid, their hypothyroidism not only became worse, selenium supplementation also produced hypothyroidism in people who had normal thyroid function. This outcome caused researchers to realize that these minerals should both be taken together."

We already know that iodine is pretty minimal in the U.S. for a number of reasons. Notably goitrogens. But I have read, some time ago, that U.S. soil is not very rich in selenium, either. I wonder if this could be related to what you read.

-Ken Bagwell

>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i just read this...steph have you heard of connection to diabetes type 2 and long term supplmentation of 200 ug of selenium...> > > > "Long-term supplementation with 200 micrograms of selenium daily may adversely affect glucose metabolism."> > > They said this is an important result for public health because> selenium supplements in 30 to 200 microgram doses are used by people> throughout the US and the western world.>

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Selenomethionine

Steph

selenium

what form of selenium do you give your kids....

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What kind of selenium does everyone take. seleneomethionine, selenium yeast, or

others?