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Mineral oil takes vitamin K out of the system.

Definitely not for long term use. Might be ok for temp relief though.

Prune juice would be a better choice...

Chuck

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On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:37:51 -0700, " Donna " <ruthful@...> wrote:

>Hi all, Someone just wrote me saying her little girl is constipated and the

doc recommend mineral oil???? Isn't that really bad? I told her to look into

chewable acidophilus.

>

>What say ye?

>Donna

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Mineral oil takes vitamin K out of the system.

Definitely not for long term use. Might be ok for temp relief though.

Prune juice would be a better choice...

Chuck

Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts.

On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:37:51 -0700, " Donna " <ruthful@...> wrote:

>Hi all, Someone just wrote me saying her little girl is constipated and the

doc recommend mineral oil???? Isn't that really bad? I told her to look into

chewable acidophilus.

>

>What say ye?

>Donna

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Mineral oil is a petrochemical and I would never give it to my children. I

would go to a health food store and ask what they would suggest as an

alternative.

cking001@... wrote:

> Mineral oil takes vitamin K out of the system.

> Definitely not for long term use. Might be ok for temp relief though.

> Prune juice would be a better choice...

> Chuck

> Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts.

>

> On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:37:51 -0700, " Donna " <ruthful@...> wrote:

>

> >Hi all, Someone just wrote me saying her little girl is constipated and the

doc recommend mineral oil???? Isn't that really bad? I told her to look into

chewable acidophilus.

> >

> >What say ye?

> >Donna

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Mineral oil is a petrochemical and I would never give it to my children. I

would go to a health food store and ask what they would suggest as an

alternative.

cking001@... wrote:

> Mineral oil takes vitamin K out of the system.

> Definitely not for long term use. Might be ok for temp relief though.

> Prune juice would be a better choice...

> Chuck

> Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts.

>

> On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:37:51 -0700, " Donna " <ruthful@...> wrote:

>

> >Hi all, Someone just wrote me saying her little girl is constipated and the

doc recommend mineral oil???? Isn't that really bad? I told her to look into

chewable acidophilus.

> >

> >What say ye?

> >Donna

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

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we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk.

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I read your 7/17/ cod liver oil post, and have wanted to write you and

tell you that after 2 years of huge lose stools and diarrhea (and many

diet changes) I gave Jenna (ASD 3 1/2) 1 teaspoon of cherry flavored cod

liver oil for 1 week. Her bowel movements normalized. She has been

taking it now for 2 weeks.

How long is " too long " to use it?

Many thanks!

Valeri

Mineral Oil

Penny- How goes the mineral oil treatment? A mom on another list

whose son has a new dx wanted to know about it. Thought I'd check in

with you before saying anything. I thought there had been a

discussion about not using it for to long a time. Thanks, Deanna

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Oh Deanna -

With the mineral oil treatment, Jacqui's bathroom issues are like night and day!!!

She ALWAYS gets to the bathroom now (except for a couple of accidents the other

night, which we are trying to pin down), her BM's are normal looking, and she

obviously feels better about herself. It's quite a transformation!!!

We still have her on the mineral oil until the end of the summer, then we will

go back to the doc to see if we need to continue.

I am still concerned about vitamin absorption and dependancy, but we'll cross

that bridge when we get there.

Right now, all I can say is 'SUCCESS'

If someone else is going to try this, they MUST talk to their doctor first to

determine the problem. It helps if the doctor is knowledgeable about Autism

Thanks for asking!!

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Valeri...

Were you addressing me or Deanna about the Cod Liver Oil?

I am giving my daughter Mineral Oil...and she is under a doctors care. We are

giving it to her thru-out the summer per our doctor's instructions. - then we

will go from there.

The main purpose of using the Mineral Oil is to allow the stools to soften, and

eventually allow the intestines to shrink back to they're normal size.

Penny-------------------------------------------------------- " Just remember this: Plenty of Horsepower, No Traction " - R. S. on

" If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away. " --Henry Thoreau

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Either. I went to Whole Foods and the guy that I

have been working with there looked up cod liver oil on his vitamin computer. Turns out that cod liver oil is used to

treat a variety of intestinal problems, including IBS and Chrons (spelling?) disease.

As far as asking a doctor. They don’t

seem to be very knowledgeable about ASD.

I went into my daughters 2 year visit saying “I think she is

autistic”. He assured me she

was not. Many “experts”

and 9 months later guess what? She

is! So far I have been right with

this child regarding EVERY problem and course of therapy. I do my research and take input from

where I can get it. As far as I’m

concerned there are no autism, experts. Since we don’t know what causes it

and every child is different, what could they possibly be an expert on, their

own opinion? What a coincidence, me

too.

We already lost 9 months to the

people who make 250k a year a forget about you the

minute you and your child walk out the door. I’ve decided I can’t do

worse than they have.

Valeri

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From: Penny

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Sent: Wednesday, August

01, 2001 11:10 AM

Autism_in_Girls

Subject: RE:

Mineral Oil

Valeri...

Were you addressing me or Deanna about the Cod Liver

Oil?

I am giving my daughter Mineral Oil...and she is under

a doctors care. We are giving it to her thru-out the summer per our doctor's

instructions. - then we will go from there.

The main purpose of using the Mineral Oil is to allow

the stools to soften, and eventually allow the intestines to shrink back to

they're normal size.

Penny

--------------------------------------------------------

" Just remember this: Plenty of Horsepower, No Traction " - R. S. on " If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.

Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away. "

--Henry Thoreau

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Either. I went to Whole Foods and the guy that I

have been working with there looked up cod liver oil on his vitamin

computer. Turns out that cod liver

oil is used to treat a variety of intestinal problems, including IBS and Chrons

(spelling?) disease.

As far as asking a doctor. They

don’t seem to be very knowledgeable about ASD. I went into my daughters 2 year visit

saying “I think she is autistic”. He assured me she was not. Many “experts” and 9 months

later guess what? She is! So far I have been right with this child

regarding EVERY problem and course of therapy. I do my research and take input from

where I can get it. As far as

I’m concerned there are no autism experts. Since we don’t know what causes it

and every child is different, what could they possibly be an expert on, their

own opinion? What a coincidence, me

too.

We already lost 9 months to the

people who make 250k a year and forget about you the minute you and your child

walk out the door. I’ve

decided I can’t do worse than they have.

Valeri

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From: Penny

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Sent: Wednesday, August

01, 2001 11:10 AM

To:

Autism_in_Girls

Subject: RE:

Mineral Oil

Valeri...

Were you addressing me or Deanna about the Cod Liver

Oil?

I am giving my daughter Mineral Oil...and she is under

a doctors care. We are giving it to her thru-out the summer per our doctor's

instructions. - then we will go from there.

The main purpose of using the Mineral Oil is to allow

the stools to soften, and eventually allow the intestines to shrink back to

they're normal size.

Penny

--------------------------------------------------------

" Just remember this: Plenty of Horsepower, No Traction " - R. S. on " If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.

Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away. "

--Henry Thoreau

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What about MO . Some one recommended that

RE: Mineral Oil

Either. I went to Whole Foods and the guy that I have been working with there looked up cod liver oil on his vitamin computer. Turns out that cod liver oil is used to treat a variety of intestinal problems, including IBS and Chrons (spelling?) disease.

As far as asking a doctor. They don’t seem to be very knowledgeable about ASD. I went into my daughters 2 year visit saying “I think she is autistic”. He assured me she was not. Many “experts” and 9 months later guess what? She is! So far I have been right with this child regarding EVERY problem and course of therapy. I do my research and take input from where I can get it. As far as I’m concerned there are no autism, experts. Since we don’t know what causes it and every child is different, what could they possibly be an expert on, their own opinion? What a coincidence, me too.

We already lost 9 months to the people who make 250k a year a forget about you the minute you and your child walk out the door. I’ve decided I can’t do worse than they have.

Valeri

Original Message-----From: Penny [mailto:nospam@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:10 AMAutism_in_Girls Subject: RE: Mineral Oil

Valeri...

Were you addressing me or Deanna about the Cod Liver Oil?

I am giving my daughter Mineral Oil...and she is under a doctors care. We are giving it to her thru-out the summer per our doctor's instructions. - then we will go from there.

The main purpose of using the Mineral Oil is to allow the stools to soften, and eventually allow the intestines to shrink back to they're normal size. Penny

--------------------------------------------------------

"Just remember this: Plenty of Horsepower, No Traction" - R. S. on"If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.

Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away."

--Henry Thoreau

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The

cod liver oil has “fixed” the problem. Jenna will take it too, which a lot of

things she won’t. After 2

years of problem bowel movements, and a period where she not only didn’t

gain weight, but lost it over 6 months, I’m happy with this.

Whole

foods is also ordering a tea that is supposed to detox your system. I have to do some more research before I

give this to her, but we shall see.

Valeri

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From: bowdenfam

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01, 2001 2:10 PM

To:

Autism_in_Girls

Subject: Re:

Mineral Oil

What

about MO . Some one

recommended that

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From: Valeri Dugan

Autism_in_Girls

Sent: Wednesday, August

01, 2001 3:16 PM

Subject:

RE: Mineral Oil

Either. I went to Whole Foods and the guy that I

have been working with there looked up cod liver oil on his vitamin

computer. Turns out that cod liver

oil is used to treat a variety of intestinal problems, including IBS and Chrons

(spelling?) disease.

As

far as asking a doctor. They don’t seem to be very knowledgeable about

ASD. I went into my daughters 2

year visit saying “I think she is autistic”. He assured me she was not. Many “experts” and 9 months

later guess what? She is! So far I have been right with this child

regarding EVERY problem and course of therapy. I do my research and take input from

where I can get it. As far as

I’m concerned there are no autism, experts. Since we don’t know what causes it

and every child is different, what could they possibly be an expert on, their

own opinion? What a coincidence, me

too.

We

already lost 9 months to the people who make 250k a year a forget about you the

minute you and your child walk out the door. I’ve decided I can’t do

worse than they have.

Valeri

Original

Message-----

From: Penny

[mailto:nospam@...]

Sent: Wednesday, August

01, 2001 11:10 AM

To:

Autism_in_Girls

Subject: RE:

Mineral Oil

Valeri...

Were you addressing me or Deanna about the Cod Liver

Oil?

I am giving my daughter Mineral Oil...and she is under

a doctors care. We are giving it to her thru-out the summer per our doctor's

instructions. - then we will go from there.

The main purpose of using the Mineral Oil is to allow

the stools to soften, and eventually allow the intestines to shrink back to

they're normal size.

Penny

--------------------------------------------------------

" Just remember this: Plenty of Horsepower, No Traction " - R. S. on " If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.

Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away. "

--Henry Thoreau

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Most texts on cosmetic manufacture classify mineral oil as one of the

least comedogenic oils, i.e. it does not clog the pores. Oils are used

in moisturisers principally as emollients, i.e. as moisture barriers

that reduce the evaporation of water from the skin's lower layers. They

form an oily film in the upper layers of the skin, but this film is not

an " impenetrable " barrier. The best barrier is one which has the just

the right degree of moisture permeability. Mineral oil soaks into the

outer dry layers of skin better than many natural oils, and leaves a

drier film surface as a result. Many oil mixtures form emollient films

with properties that are modified by each others presence. Some

ingredients will " open " an oil film, yet may individually be very

comedogenic if used alone. Isopropyl myristate is very comedogenic, and

is even used as an effective antiperspirant. Yet it is also used to open

films of mineral and other oils.

I believe there are relationships between an ingredients chemical

structure, its viscosity, and its melting point i.e. temperature below

which the product is solid, which determine how comedogenic an

ingredient is. I don’t have details, but I would imagine that the more

solid and waxy an ingredient is the more likely it is to clog pores. It

should be remembered that the skins own natural oils that are

comedogenic. Mineral oil has minimal propensity to increase this

process.

Most natural oils are triglycerides. While most triglycerides have

moderate comedogenicity, my texts identify Sunflower and Safflower oils

as also having minimal comedogenicity. However natural oils tend to feel

greasier on the skin than mineral oil.

You also need to differentiate between mineral or paraffin oils, i.e.

baby oil, and heavier petrolatum, i.e. petroleum jelly, which by virtue

of its higher viscosity will form a more effective moisture barrier.

Petrolatum (e.g. Vaseline) has been used for decades as a botty

waterproofer under babies' nappies. Both are safe and mild ingredients.

Undoubtedly you all had plenty rubbed into your butt's when you were

little without ill effects. The objections to them are not based on

their safety or effectiveness but on their stigma of coming from

petroleum. If mineral oil grew on trees we would consider it a " wonder "

ingredient.

There is a big difference between products used externally and those for

internal use because internal and external skin's functions are very

different. I imagine that many of the natural oils would have the same

effect if swallowed. Remember all the castor oil that mothers used to

dispense to their families?

Bob Foulkes

 

Quintessence Developments Ltd

P O Box 20349 Bishopdale, Christchurch 8030, New Zealand

Tel +64 3 359 6232 Fax +64 3 359 6532, Mob +64 25 628 8068

 

Confidentiality. The above email may contain confidential or legally

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received this message in error please do not print, copy, store, or

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contains. I would be grateful if you could reply to me acknowledging

having received it in error and then delete it from your system. Thank

you.

Re: mineral oil (was Re: MSM)

Hello,

I have heard that Mineral Oil is clogging, and have also seen charts

that say it is not. It is a petroleum based product, that is used as a

moisture barrier. That is how it is effective as a laxative, it coats

the Bowel with a Moisture proof barrier, causing all the moisture in the

bowel to be retained in the bowel and not absorbed into the body,

resulting in the needed moisture for elimination. Therefore it has to

be used carefully, and infrequently, because it also blocks nutrient

absorption.

Therefore, I believe it is not comedogenic in itself, but could

cause the pores to be blocked by dirt and natural oil, because it cannot

be released through the barrier of Mineral Oil.

Anyway, I am rambling and what I really wanted is to find out if someone

has a link or verifiable info. on Comedogenics. I have found several

charts, but find them to be contradictory.

For instance I have referenced 3 different charts and each has olive oil

classified differently, one as non-comedogenic, one as very comedogenic,

and the other somewhere in-between. The problem I am seeing with the

charts is they don't reference where there data comes from.

Who decides if something is comedogenic, and how do they decide it?

Joyful & Fun Soaping,

Vicky

Raven, mineral oil is one of the LEAST comedonegenic (pore-clogging)

oils around...it is far less comedonegenic than most of the vegetable

oils that we use in lotions.

Jules in Vancouver

>> Even mineral oil has too big of molucules to be absorbed into the

>

skin, it

>> sinks into the pores and does a very good job of clogging them.

>> Raven

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Most texts on cosmetic manufacture classify mineral oil as one of the

least comedogenic oils, i.e. it does not clog the pores. Oils are used

in moisturisers principally as emollients, i.e. as moisture barriers

that reduce the evaporation of water from the skin's lower layers. They

form an oily film in the upper layers of the skin, but this film is not

an " impenetrable " barrier. The best barrier is one which has the just

the right degree of moisture permeability. Mineral oil soaks into the

outer dry layers of skin better than many natural oils, and leaves a

drier film surface as a result. Many oil mixtures form emollient films

with properties that are modified by each others presence. Some

ingredients will " open " an oil film, yet may individually be very

comedogenic if used alone. Isopropyl myristate is very comedogenic, and

is even used as an effective antiperspirant. Yet it is also used to open

films of mineral and other oils.

I believe there are relationships between an ingredients chemical

structure, its viscosity, and its melting point i.e. temperature below

which the product is solid, which determine how comedogenic an

ingredient is. I don’t have details, but I would imagine that the more

solid and waxy an ingredient is the more likely it is to clog pores. It

should be remembered that the skins own natural oils that are

comedogenic. Mineral oil has minimal propensity to increase this

process.

Most natural oils are triglycerides. While most triglycerides have

moderate comedogenicity, my texts identify Sunflower and Safflower oils

as also having minimal comedogenicity. However natural oils tend to feel

greasier on the skin than mineral oil.

You also need to differentiate between mineral or paraffin oils, i.e.

baby oil, and heavier petrolatum, i.e. petroleum jelly, which by virtue

of its higher viscosity will form a more effective moisture barrier.

Petrolatum (e.g. Vaseline) has been used for decades as a botty

waterproofer under babies' nappies. Both are safe and mild ingredients.

Undoubtedly you all had plenty rubbed into your butt's when you were

little without ill effects. The objections to them are not based on

their safety or effectiveness but on their stigma of coming from

petroleum. If mineral oil grew on trees we would consider it a " wonder "

ingredient.

There is a big difference between products used externally and those for

internal use because internal and external skin's functions are very

different. I imagine that many of the natural oils would have the same

effect if swallowed. Remember all the castor oil that mothers used to

dispense to their families?

Bob Foulkes

 

Quintessence Developments Ltd

P O Box 20349 Bishopdale, Christchurch 8030, New Zealand

Tel +64 3 359 6232 Fax +64 3 359 6532, Mob +64 25 628 8068

 

Confidentiality. The above email may contain confidential or legally

privileged information for the intended recipient only. If you have

received this message in error please do not print, copy, store, or

forward it to other parties, nor make any use of the information it

contains. I would be grateful if you could reply to me acknowledging

having received it in error and then delete it from your system. Thank

you.

Re: mineral oil (was Re: MSM)

Hello,

I have heard that Mineral Oil is clogging, and have also seen charts

that say it is not. It is a petroleum based product, that is used as a

moisture barrier. That is how it is effective as a laxative, it coats

the Bowel with a Moisture proof barrier, causing all the moisture in the

bowel to be retained in the bowel and not absorbed into the body,

resulting in the needed moisture for elimination. Therefore it has to

be used carefully, and infrequently, because it also blocks nutrient

absorption.

Therefore, I believe it is not comedogenic in itself, but could

cause the pores to be blocked by dirt and natural oil, because it cannot

be released through the barrier of Mineral Oil.

Anyway, I am rambling and what I really wanted is to find out if someone

has a link or verifiable info. on Comedogenics. I have found several

charts, but find them to be contradictory.

For instance I have referenced 3 different charts and each has olive oil

classified differently, one as non-comedogenic, one as very comedogenic,

and the other somewhere in-between. The problem I am seeing with the

charts is they don't reference where there data comes from.

Who decides if something is comedogenic, and how do they decide it?

Joyful & Fun Soaping,

Vicky

Raven, mineral oil is one of the LEAST comedonegenic (pore-clogging)

oils around...it is far less comedonegenic than most of the vegetable

oils that we use in lotions.

Jules in Vancouver

>> Even mineral oil has too big of molucules to be absorbed into the

>

skin, it

>> sinks into the pores and does a very good job of clogging them.

>> Raven

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Bob, thanks so much for the great lesson! Thank goodness for you and all of

the other experts on this list that continually improve my education.

Leanna in Alberta.

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Hi Misty,

This is what is listed on the ingredient label

Thickened Mineral Oil:

Mineral Oil, Beeswax, Microcystalline Wax, Sorbitan

Monolaurate eothoxylate, EDTA, Methyl Paraben.

The only thing I had to add is the sugar (brown or white) or the salt and my EO

and coloring. It did not separate. Trust me. It's wonderful.

Judy

Re: Mineral Oil

Judy do you mean regular mineral oil which is found in drugstores for

making scrubs? no matter what type of oil you use for scrubs~it will

seperate from a your other ingredients because oil does not mix!!!! If

i wrong please educate me by all means!!!! Misty

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Judy im glad your scrubs came out great! Could you use regular Mineral

Oil from drugstores? How much to you use for say 2oz , 4oz,

6oz,8oz.???? I dont know where to order it if i cant use mineral oil

from the drugstore. Could you send me the exact recipe you used? And

what fo's you used too? Thank you so much! *hugs* Misty

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You might want to try some of the oils you can get at any supermarket.

Safflower, peanut (be careful to label it, though, for those with

peanut allergies), canola, and good quality olive oil are all readily

available, and would be nicer on your skin than mineral oil.

Health food stores carry sweet almond and some other of the " fancier "

oils. But you can make a very nice scrub with just safflower oil,

IMHO.

Heidi

Re: Mineral Oil

> Judy im glad your scrubs came out great! Could you use regular

Mineral

> Oil from drugstores? How much to you use for say 2oz , 4oz,

> 6oz,8oz.???? I dont know where to order it if i cant use mineral

oil

> from the drugstore. Could you send me the exact recipe you used? And

> what fo's you used too? Thank you so much! *hugs* Misty

>

>

>

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> http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch

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Hi Misty,

Here is the link to the Mineral oil base from WSP.

http://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com/showProduct.asp?ProductID=2126 I have

never tried mineral oil from the drugstore but it may work....worth a try. The

base that I use calls for equal parts of salt or sugar to mineral oil base plus

any FO, EO, or color. I made a mix of 2 oz base plus 2 oz of sugar (some I

substituted salt). I used orange eo and peach fo...I didn't measure it but just

used my nose. Then I colored it yellow and added a little red to make it orange.

Peoples reaction to great to the scent. I love it too. Just be sure to put a

caution warning on your label that the tub may be slippery. Hope this helps.

Judy

P.S. WSP adds preservatives to all their premade bases so that's something you

don't have to worry about.

Re: Mineral Oil

Judy im glad your scrubs came out great! Could you use regular Mineral

Oil from drugstores? How much to you use for say 2oz , 4oz,

6oz,8oz.???? I dont know where to order it if i cant use mineral oil

from the drugstore. Could you send me the exact recipe you used? And

what fo's you used too? Thank you so much! *hugs* Misty

http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch

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okay ladies listen up (please) i have 2 reliable articles on Mineral

oil. DESERT SONLGHT: Natural

Hand & Body Lotions " quote " ~A good lotion will NOT have mineral oil

as an ingredient. Mineral oil tends to set on top of your skin & helps

block moisture from evaporating from your body---end of " quote "

READ REVIEWS & COMPARE PRICES ON ORIGINS, GINGER SOUFFLE

WHIPPED: " quote " - Mineral oil is one of the supreme horror secrets that

many skin care companies want to keep quiet about b/c they dont want you

to know about its extremely cheap quality, high profit margin & damaging

effects. They'd rather lie to you and try to convince you that mineral

oil is good for your skin when it is not,because mineral oil saves them

tons of money which is why its primarily used in very cheap lotions.

Mineral oil does nothing but sit on top of your skin and clog your

pores. You might as well grab some automotive oil or oil from the Exxon

Valdez oil spill and slather it on your skin,because it comes from the

same family of oils! end of " quote " I dont know

about all of you but typing this almost made me sick to my stomach!!!!

HTH~Misty

http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch

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Please feel free to use mineral oil or not, but the facts remain facts,

and that is the basis of any ingredients usefulness and safety.

The comodogenicity of an oil means that the oil is able to wick into the

skins pores and clog them. This has quite a bit to do with viscosity and

surface tension, as well as with how the skin's biological activity

deals with all the foreign stuff we smear on it. Thick greases and

butters will clog your skin pores. Your own natural skin oils will do

the same, and you can't get more natural than that. That's why we get

pimples. Some of the worst and most comedogenic oils are the common or

garden vegetable derived oils. Mineral oil is well known to be one of

the least comedogenic oils. Fact. Simple and true. Yes it is cheap. Yes

it sits within the upper layers of the skin without soaking in. But 99%

of benefit of all of the oils we put on our skin comes from precisely

this action. The purpose of the oils is to seal the surface in order to

prevent moisture loss. Full stop. That's all they do, and that's all

they're supposed to do.

Just because something is naturally derived does not mean it is

necessarily good for you. Rattle snake venom is natural. Anthrax spores

are natural, uranium is natural, even mineral oil is derived from the

millions of living creatures that once grew and walked and soaked up

carbon. Every part of mineral oil is 100% organic in that sense. But

that doesn't make it either good or bad.

If we want to talk about conspiracy theories we need to recognise that

many of the " natural product " manufacturers quote these " horror stories "

in order to sell you their own products. They know that women are

concerned (along with the rest of us!) about our health and the

environment and toxic wastes etc. But most manufacturers see this as a

marketing opportunity to be exploited. They simply bait their hook with

shocking half truths in order to get you worried. If they know their

skin and cosmetic science basics (which I often doubt) they only comment

negatively and very suggestively about ingredients they don't use, and

positively, usually in glowing terms, about the wonder ingredients they

do use. This is called selling the sizzle instead of the steak. Their

marketing could be summed up as " if you can't blind 'em with science you

can always baffle 'em with bullsh*t! "

Here is an example. How many of the cosmetics you use, and swear by, are

labelled as containing natural coconut-derived ingredients? I'll bet

you'll find plenty. Look at any personal care products and cosmetics

that don't specifically plug the natural angle and you will find names

like cocodiethanolamide, sodium lauryl (or laureth) sulphate,

cocamidopropylbetaine, cocoamphoacetate. Almost everything containing

the word coco- or laur- can be called coconut derived. When you read the

former you think " Oh good, a cosmetic derived from natural ingredients,

I can use this safely. " But when you see the actual chemical name of

these same ingredients you think " Oh no! This is full of chemicals; I'd

better not use it! " Ask your self this: if a manufacturer can sell a

product for $2 by calling an ingredient naturally derived or for only $1

by giving it its proper INCI name which angle do you think he is going

to promote?

I have followed a lot of correspondence on this site that praises the

usefulness of many ingredients, and everyone accepts them because they

are recommended by others whose good will they trust. But at the same

time we are worried about using " chemicals " . Example: Polysorbate 20. a

non-ionic surfactant emulsifier, chemical name sorbitan monolaurate

polyethoxlyate (Tween 20). Lots of ethylene oxide units here, just like

polyethylene glycol. Example: Emulsifying Wax, basically cetyl alcohol

containing either sodium lauryl sulphate or a non-ionic ethylene oxide

based surfactant.

There is no substitute for accurate knowledge.

Bob Foulkes

Re: Mineral Oil

okay ladies listen up (please) i have 2 reliable articles on Mineral

oil. DESERT SONLGHT: Natural

Hand & Body Lotions " quote " ~A good lotion will NOT have mineral oil

as an ingredient. Mineral oil tends to set on top of your skin & helps

block moisture from evaporating from your body---end of " quote "

READ REVIEWS & COMPARE PRICES ON ORIGINS, GINGER SOUFFLE

WHIPPED: " quote " - Mineral oil is one of the supreme horror secrets that

many skin care companies want to keep quiet about b/c they dont want you

to know about its extremely cheap quality, high profit margin & damaging

effects. They'd rather lie to you and try to convince you that mineral

oil is good for your skin when it is not,because mineral oil saves them

tons of money which is why its primarily used in very cheap lotions.

Mineral oil does nothing but sit on top of your skin and clog your

pores. You might as well grab some automotive oil or oil from the Exxon

Valdez oil spill and slather it on your skin,because it comes from the

same family of oils! end of " quote " I dont know

about all of you but typing this almost made me sick to my stomach!!!!

HTH~Misty

http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch

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Hi Bob:

Welcome to the group! :-) I don't want you to think I'm attacking you, but I

want to clarify a few of the things you posted:

> The comodogenicity of an oil means that the oil is able to wick into the

> skins pores and clog them. This has quite a bit to do with viscosity and

> surface tension, as well as with how the skin's biological activity

> deals with all the foreign stuff we smear on it. Thick greases and

> butters will clog your skin pores. Your own natural skin oils will do

> the same, and you can't get more natural than that. That's why we get

> pimples.

All of us have sebum (skin oil), but not all of us have pimples. The reason

some of us get them and others don't is still a mystery to scientists

(otherwise we would have a cure). They speculate that it is due to a

hormone imbalance causing the skin to produce too much oil, coupled with

slow-sloughing skin cells and bacteria that clog pores and lead to acne.

> Some of the worst and most comedogenic oils are the common or

> garden vegetable derived oils. Mineral oil is well known to be one of

> the least comedogenic oils. Fact. Simple and true. Yes it is cheap. Yes

> it sits within the upper layers of the skin without soaking in. But 99%

> of benefit of all of the oils we put on our skin comes from precisely

> this action. The purpose of the oils is to seal the surface in order to

> prevent moisture loss. Full stop. That's all they do, and that's all

> they're supposed to do.

The skin is the largest organ of the body. When it is functioning normally,

it absorbs as well as excretes nutrients and toxins (example: trans-dermal

prescriptions). Mineral oil is not absorbed by the skin, but lays on it's

surface like a piece of Saran Wrap, neither allowing moisture to escape, nor

toxins to be eliminated. While mineral oil has been tested on a short-term

basis, what would be the long-term effects of this?

> Just because something is naturally derived does not mean it is

> necessarily good for you. Rattle snake venom is natural. Anthrax spores

> are natural, uranium is natural, even mineral oil is derived from the

> millions of living creatures that once grew and walked and soaked up

> carbon. Every part of mineral oil is 100% organic in that sense. But

> that doesn't make it either good or bad.

Agreed.

> If we want to talk about conspiracy theories we need to recognise that

> many of the " natural product " manufacturers quote these " horror stories "

> in order to sell you their own products. They know that women are

> concerned (along with the rest of us!) about our health and the

> environment and toxic wastes etc. But most manufacturers see this as a

> marketing opportunity to be exploited. They simply bait their hook with

> shocking half truths in order to get you worried. If they know their

> skin and cosmetic science basics (which I often doubt) they only comment

> negatively and very suggestively about ingredients they don't use, and

> positively, usually in glowing terms, about the wonder ingredients they

> do use. This is called selling the sizzle instead of the steak. Their

> marketing could be summed up as " if you can't blind 'em with science you

> can always baffle 'em with bullsh*t! "

There are very few of us on this list that claim to be large-scale

manufacturers. Most of us are home chemists that produce our products in

small-batches (freshness, quality and shelf-life are real concerns on this

list) and use time-tested recipes that have proven themselves to be every

bit as effective as commercial brands, but without the side-effects. We do

not " exploit " or " baffle " our customers (we WANT repeat business!) and

word-of-mouth is a very powerful tool that can make or break a small

company.

> Here is an example. How many of the cosmetics you use, and swear by, are

> labelled as containing natural coconut-derived ingredients? I'll bet

> you'll find plenty. Look at any personal care products and cosmetics

> that don't specifically plug the natural angle and you will find names

> like cocodiethanolamide, sodium lauryl (or laureth) sulphate,

> cocamidopropylbetaine, cocoamphoacetate. Almost everything containing

> the word coco- or laur- can be called coconut derived. When you read the

> former you think " Oh good, a cosmetic derived from natural ingredients,

> I can use this safely. " But when you see the actual chemical name of

> these same ingredients you think " Oh no! This is full of chemicals; I'd

> better not use it! " Ask your self this: if a manufacturer can sell a

> product for $2 by calling an ingredient naturally derived or for only $1

> by giving it its proper INCI name which angle do you think he is going

> to promote?

Everything on the face of this planet is made of " chemicals " ...there was a

Dow-Corning ad from a few years ago that broke an orange down into it's

respective chemical constituents (the list was incredibly long!)

" Natural " has been a very popular buzzword in the cosmetics industry for a

long time. I remember those brightly-colored shampoos from the 70's in

Green Apple and Strawberry...made you think you were washing your hair with

fruit, but no real fruit smelled like that! :-Þ

The FDA requires ingredient listings of cosmetics according to predominance,

so if you read the labels of some of these so-called " natural cosmetics " you

will notice they are made up of mostly synthetic ingredients

(cyclomethicone, preservatives, detergents, fragrance), and a very small

percentage of natural ingredients...just enough to claim they are " natural " .

Our products are (for the most part) literally good enough to eat (although

we don't recommend it)! ;-)

> I have followed a lot of correspondence on this site that praises the

> usefulness of many ingredients, and everyone accepts them because they

> are recommended by others whose good will they trust. But at the same

> time we are worried about using " chemicals " . Example: Polysorbate 20. a

> non-ionic surfactant emulsifier, chemical name sorbitan monolaurate

> polyethoxlyate (Tween 20). Lots of ethylene oxide units here, just like

> polyethylene glycol. Example: Emulsifying Wax, basically cetyl alcohol

> containing either sodium lauryl sulphate or a non-ionic ethylene oxide

> based surfactant.

Not all of us use these ingredients, but yes, they are indeed " chemicals " !

> There is no substitute for accurate knowledge.

My point exactly! ;-)

Cat

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