Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 Mineral oil takes vitamin K out of the system. Definitely not for long term use. Might be ok for temp relief though. Prune juice would be a better choice... Chuck Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts. On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:37:51 -0700, " Donna " <ruthful@...> wrote: >Hi all, Someone just wrote me saying her little girl is constipated and the doc recommend mineral oil???? Isn't that really bad? I told her to look into chewable acidophilus. > >What say ye? >Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 Mineral oil takes vitamin K out of the system. Definitely not for long term use. Might be ok for temp relief though. Prune juice would be a better choice... Chuck Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts. On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:37:51 -0700, " Donna " <ruthful@...> wrote: >Hi all, Someone just wrote me saying her little girl is constipated and the doc recommend mineral oil???? Isn't that really bad? I told her to look into chewable acidophilus. > >What say ye? >Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 Mineral oil is a petrochemical and I would never give it to my children. I would go to a health food store and ask what they would suggest as an alternative. cking001@... wrote: > Mineral oil takes vitamin K out of the system. > Definitely not for long term use. Might be ok for temp relief though. > Prune juice would be a better choice... > Chuck > Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts. > > On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:37:51 -0700, " Donna " <ruthful@...> wrote: > > >Hi all, Someone just wrote me saying her little girl is constipated and the doc recommend mineral oil???? Isn't that really bad? I told her to look into chewable acidophilus. > > > >What say ye? > >Donna > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 Mineral oil is a petrochemical and I would never give it to my children. I would go to a health food store and ask what they would suggest as an alternative. cking001@... wrote: > Mineral oil takes vitamin K out of the system. > Definitely not for long term use. Might be ok for temp relief though. > Prune juice would be a better choice... > Chuck > Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts. > > On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:37:51 -0700, " Donna " <ruthful@...> wrote: > > >Hi all, Someone just wrote me saying her little girl is constipated and the doc recommend mineral oil???? Isn't that really bad? I told her to look into chewable acidophilus. > > > >What say ye? > >Donna > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 I read your 7/17/ cod liver oil post, and have wanted to write you and tell you that after 2 years of huge lose stools and diarrhea (and many diet changes) I gave Jenna (ASD 3 1/2) 1 teaspoon of cherry flavored cod liver oil for 1 week. Her bowel movements normalized. She has been taking it now for 2 weeks. How long is " too long " to use it? Many thanks! Valeri Mineral Oil Penny- How goes the mineral oil treatment? A mom on another list whose son has a new dx wanted to know about it. Thought I'd check in with you before saying anything. I thought there had been a discussion about not using it for to long a time. Thanks, Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 Oh Deanna - With the mineral oil treatment, Jacqui's bathroom issues are like night and day!!! She ALWAYS gets to the bathroom now (except for a couple of accidents the other night, which we are trying to pin down), her BM's are normal looking, and she obviously feels better about herself. It's quite a transformation!!! We still have her on the mineral oil until the end of the summer, then we will go back to the doc to see if we need to continue. I am still concerned about vitamin absorption and dependancy, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Right now, all I can say is 'SUCCESS' If someone else is going to try this, they MUST talk to their doctor first to determine the problem. It helps if the doctor is knowledgeable about Autism Thanks for asking!! Penny-------------------------------------------------------- " Just remember this: Plenty of Horsepower, No Traction " - R. S. on " If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away. " --Henry Thoreau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 Valeri... Were you addressing me or Deanna about the Cod Liver Oil? I am giving my daughter Mineral Oil...and she is under a doctors care. We are giving it to her thru-out the summer per our doctor's instructions. - then we will go from there. The main purpose of using the Mineral Oil is to allow the stools to soften, and eventually allow the intestines to shrink back to they're normal size. Penny-------------------------------------------------------- " Just remember this: Plenty of Horsepower, No Traction " - R. S. on " If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away. " --Henry Thoreau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 Either. I went to Whole Foods and the guy that I have been working with there looked up cod liver oil on his vitamin computer. Turns out that cod liver oil is used to treat a variety of intestinal problems, including IBS and Chrons (spelling?) disease. As far as asking a doctor. They don’t seem to be very knowledgeable about ASD. I went into my daughters 2 year visit saying “I think she is autistic”. He assured me she was not. Many “experts” and 9 months later guess what? She is! So far I have been right with this child regarding EVERY problem and course of therapy. I do my research and take input from where I can get it. As far as I’m concerned there are no autism, experts. Since we don’t know what causes it and every child is different, what could they possibly be an expert on, their own opinion? What a coincidence, me too. We already lost 9 months to the people who make 250k a year a forget about you the minute you and your child walk out the door. I’ve decided I can’t do worse than they have. Valeri Original Message----- From: Penny [mailto:nospam@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:10 AM Autism_in_Girls Subject: RE: Mineral Oil Valeri... Were you addressing me or Deanna about the Cod Liver Oil? I am giving my daughter Mineral Oil...and she is under a doctors care. We are giving it to her thru-out the summer per our doctor's instructions. - then we will go from there. The main purpose of using the Mineral Oil is to allow the stools to soften, and eventually allow the intestines to shrink back to they're normal size. Penny -------------------------------------------------------- " Just remember this: Plenty of Horsepower, No Traction " - R. S. on " If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away. " --Henry Thoreau Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 Either. I went to Whole Foods and the guy that I have been working with there looked up cod liver oil on his vitamin computer. Turns out that cod liver oil is used to treat a variety of intestinal problems, including IBS and Chrons (spelling?) disease. As far as asking a doctor. They don’t seem to be very knowledgeable about ASD. I went into my daughters 2 year visit saying “I think she is autistic”. He assured me she was not. Many “experts” and 9 months later guess what? She is! So far I have been right with this child regarding EVERY problem and course of therapy. I do my research and take input from where I can get it. As far as I’m concerned there are no autism experts. Since we don’t know what causes it and every child is different, what could they possibly be an expert on, their own opinion? What a coincidence, me too. We already lost 9 months to the people who make 250k a year and forget about you the minute you and your child walk out the door. I’ve decided I can’t do worse than they have. Valeri Original Message----- From: Penny [mailto:nospam@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:10 AM To: Autism_in_Girls Subject: RE: Mineral Oil Valeri... Were you addressing me or Deanna about the Cod Liver Oil? I am giving my daughter Mineral Oil...and she is under a doctors care. We are giving it to her thru-out the summer per our doctor's instructions. - then we will go from there. The main purpose of using the Mineral Oil is to allow the stools to soften, and eventually allow the intestines to shrink back to they're normal size. Penny -------------------------------------------------------- " Just remember this: Plenty of Horsepower, No Traction " - R. S. on " If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away. " --Henry Thoreau Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 What about MO . Some one recommended that RE: Mineral Oil Either. I went to Whole Foods and the guy that I have been working with there looked up cod liver oil on his vitamin computer. Turns out that cod liver oil is used to treat a variety of intestinal problems, including IBS and Chrons (spelling?) disease. As far as asking a doctor. They don’t seem to be very knowledgeable about ASD. I went into my daughters 2 year visit saying “I think she is autistic”. He assured me she was not. Many “experts” and 9 months later guess what? She is! So far I have been right with this child regarding EVERY problem and course of therapy. I do my research and take input from where I can get it. As far as I’m concerned there are no autism, experts. Since we don’t know what causes it and every child is different, what could they possibly be an expert on, their own opinion? What a coincidence, me too. We already lost 9 months to the people who make 250k a year a forget about you the minute you and your child walk out the door. I’ve decided I can’t do worse than they have. Valeri Original Message-----From: Penny [mailto:nospam@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:10 AMAutism_in_Girls Subject: RE: Mineral Oil Valeri... Were you addressing me or Deanna about the Cod Liver Oil? I am giving my daughter Mineral Oil...and she is under a doctors care. We are giving it to her thru-out the summer per our doctor's instructions. - then we will go from there. The main purpose of using the Mineral Oil is to allow the stools to soften, and eventually allow the intestines to shrink back to they're normal size. Penny -------------------------------------------------------- "Just remember this: Plenty of Horsepower, No Traction" - R. S. on"If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away." --Henry Thoreau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 The cod liver oil has “fixed” the problem. Jenna will take it too, which a lot of things she won’t. After 2 years of problem bowel movements, and a period where she not only didn’t gain weight, but lost it over 6 months, I’m happy with this. Whole foods is also ordering a tea that is supposed to detox your system. I have to do some more research before I give this to her, but we shall see. Valeri -----Original Message----- From: bowdenfam [mailto:bowdenfam@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:10 PM To: Autism_in_Girls Subject: Re: Mineral Oil What about MO . Some one recommended that ----- Original Message ----- From: Valeri Dugan Autism_in_Girls Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: RE: Mineral Oil Either. I went to Whole Foods and the guy that I have been working with there looked up cod liver oil on his vitamin computer. Turns out that cod liver oil is used to treat a variety of intestinal problems, including IBS and Chrons (spelling?) disease. As far as asking a doctor. They don’t seem to be very knowledgeable about ASD. I went into my daughters 2 year visit saying “I think she is autistic”. He assured me she was not. Many “experts” and 9 months later guess what? She is! So far I have been right with this child regarding EVERY problem and course of therapy. I do my research and take input from where I can get it. As far as I’m concerned there are no autism, experts. Since we don’t know what causes it and every child is different, what could they possibly be an expert on, their own opinion? What a coincidence, me too. We already lost 9 months to the people who make 250k a year a forget about you the minute you and your child walk out the door. I’ve decided I can’t do worse than they have. Valeri Original Message----- From: Penny [mailto:nospam@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:10 AM To: Autism_in_Girls Subject: RE: Mineral Oil Valeri... Were you addressing me or Deanna about the Cod Liver Oil? I am giving my daughter Mineral Oil...and she is under a doctors care. We are giving it to her thru-out the summer per our doctor's instructions. - then we will go from there. The main purpose of using the Mineral Oil is to allow the stools to soften, and eventually allow the intestines to shrink back to they're normal size. Penny -------------------------------------------------------- " Just remember this: Plenty of Horsepower, No Traction " - R. S. on " If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away. " --Henry Thoreau Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Most texts on cosmetic manufacture classify mineral oil as one of the least comedogenic oils, i.e. it does not clog the pores. Oils are used in moisturisers principally as emollients, i.e. as moisture barriers that reduce the evaporation of water from the skin's lower layers. They form an oily film in the upper layers of the skin, but this film is not an " impenetrable " barrier. The best barrier is one which has the just the right degree of moisture permeability. Mineral oil soaks into the outer dry layers of skin better than many natural oils, and leaves a drier film surface as a result. Many oil mixtures form emollient films with properties that are modified by each others presence. Some ingredients will " open " an oil film, yet may individually be very comedogenic if used alone. Isopropyl myristate is very comedogenic, and is even used as an effective antiperspirant. Yet it is also used to open films of mineral and other oils. I believe there are relationships between an ingredients chemical structure, its viscosity, and its melting point i.e. temperature below which the product is solid, which determine how comedogenic an ingredient is. I don’t have details, but I would imagine that the more solid and waxy an ingredient is the more likely it is to clog pores. It should be remembered that the skins own natural oils that are comedogenic. Mineral oil has minimal propensity to increase this process. Most natural oils are triglycerides. While most triglycerides have moderate comedogenicity, my texts identify Sunflower and Safflower oils as also having minimal comedogenicity. However natural oils tend to feel greasier on the skin than mineral oil. You also need to differentiate between mineral or paraffin oils, i.e. baby oil, and heavier petrolatum, i.e. petroleum jelly, which by virtue of its higher viscosity will form a more effective moisture barrier. Petrolatum (e.g. Vaseline) has been used for decades as a botty waterproofer under babies' nappies. Both are safe and mild ingredients. Undoubtedly you all had plenty rubbed into your butt's when you were little without ill effects. The objections to them are not based on their safety or effectiveness but on their stigma of coming from petroleum. If mineral oil grew on trees we would consider it a " wonder " ingredient. There is a big difference between products used externally and those for internal use because internal and external skin's functions are very different. I imagine that many of the natural oils would have the same effect if swallowed. Remember all the castor oil that mothers used to dispense to their families? Bob Foulkes Quintessence Developments Ltd P O Box 20349 Bishopdale, Christchurch 8030, New Zealand Tel +64 3 359 6232 Fax +64 3 359 6532, Mob +64 25 628 8068 Confidentiality. The above email may contain confidential or legally privileged information for the intended recipient only. If you have received this message in error please do not print, copy, store, or forward it to other parties, nor make any use of the information it contains. I would be grateful if you could reply to me acknowledging having received it in error and then delete it from your system. Thank you. Re: mineral oil (was Re: MSM) Hello, I have heard that Mineral Oil is clogging, and have also seen charts that say it is not. It is a petroleum based product, that is used as a moisture barrier. That is how it is effective as a laxative, it coats the Bowel with a Moisture proof barrier, causing all the moisture in the bowel to be retained in the bowel and not absorbed into the body, resulting in the needed moisture for elimination. Therefore it has to be used carefully, and infrequently, because it also blocks nutrient absorption. Therefore, I believe it is not comedogenic in itself, but could cause the pores to be blocked by dirt and natural oil, because it cannot be released through the barrier of Mineral Oil. Anyway, I am rambling and what I really wanted is to find out if someone has a link or verifiable info. on Comedogenics. I have found several charts, but find them to be contradictory. For instance I have referenced 3 different charts and each has olive oil classified differently, one as non-comedogenic, one as very comedogenic, and the other somewhere in-between. The problem I am seeing with the charts is they don't reference where there data comes from. Who decides if something is comedogenic, and how do they decide it? Joyful & Fun Soaping, Vicky Raven, mineral oil is one of the LEAST comedonegenic (pore-clogging) oils around...it is far less comedonegenic than most of the vegetable oils that we use in lotions. Jules in Vancouver >> Even mineral oil has too big of molucules to be absorbed into the > skin, it >> sinks into the pores and does a very good job of clogging them. >> Raven > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Most texts on cosmetic manufacture classify mineral oil as one of the least comedogenic oils, i.e. it does not clog the pores. Oils are used in moisturisers principally as emollients, i.e. as moisture barriers that reduce the evaporation of water from the skin's lower layers. They form an oily film in the upper layers of the skin, but this film is not an " impenetrable " barrier. The best barrier is one which has the just the right degree of moisture permeability. Mineral oil soaks into the outer dry layers of skin better than many natural oils, and leaves a drier film surface as a result. Many oil mixtures form emollient films with properties that are modified by each others presence. Some ingredients will " open " an oil film, yet may individually be very comedogenic if used alone. Isopropyl myristate is very comedogenic, and is even used as an effective antiperspirant. Yet it is also used to open films of mineral and other oils. I believe there are relationships between an ingredients chemical structure, its viscosity, and its melting point i.e. temperature below which the product is solid, which determine how comedogenic an ingredient is. I don’t have details, but I would imagine that the more solid and waxy an ingredient is the more likely it is to clog pores. It should be remembered that the skins own natural oils that are comedogenic. Mineral oil has minimal propensity to increase this process. Most natural oils are triglycerides. While most triglycerides have moderate comedogenicity, my texts identify Sunflower and Safflower oils as also having minimal comedogenicity. However natural oils tend to feel greasier on the skin than mineral oil. You also need to differentiate between mineral or paraffin oils, i.e. baby oil, and heavier petrolatum, i.e. petroleum jelly, which by virtue of its higher viscosity will form a more effective moisture barrier. Petrolatum (e.g. Vaseline) has been used for decades as a botty waterproofer under babies' nappies. Both are safe and mild ingredients. Undoubtedly you all had plenty rubbed into your butt's when you were little without ill effects. The objections to them are not based on their safety or effectiveness but on their stigma of coming from petroleum. If mineral oil grew on trees we would consider it a " wonder " ingredient. There is a big difference between products used externally and those for internal use because internal and external skin's functions are very different. I imagine that many of the natural oils would have the same effect if swallowed. Remember all the castor oil that mothers used to dispense to their families? Bob Foulkes Quintessence Developments Ltd P O Box 20349 Bishopdale, Christchurch 8030, New Zealand Tel +64 3 359 6232 Fax +64 3 359 6532, Mob +64 25 628 8068 Confidentiality. The above email may contain confidential or legally privileged information for the intended recipient only. If you have received this message in error please do not print, copy, store, or forward it to other parties, nor make any use of the information it contains. I would be grateful if you could reply to me acknowledging having received it in error and then delete it from your system. Thank you. Re: mineral oil (was Re: MSM) Hello, I have heard that Mineral Oil is clogging, and have also seen charts that say it is not. It is a petroleum based product, that is used as a moisture barrier. That is how it is effective as a laxative, it coats the Bowel with a Moisture proof barrier, causing all the moisture in the bowel to be retained in the bowel and not absorbed into the body, resulting in the needed moisture for elimination. Therefore it has to be used carefully, and infrequently, because it also blocks nutrient absorption. Therefore, I believe it is not comedogenic in itself, but could cause the pores to be blocked by dirt and natural oil, because it cannot be released through the barrier of Mineral Oil. Anyway, I am rambling and what I really wanted is to find out if someone has a link or verifiable info. on Comedogenics. I have found several charts, but find them to be contradictory. For instance I have referenced 3 different charts and each has olive oil classified differently, one as non-comedogenic, one as very comedogenic, and the other somewhere in-between. The problem I am seeing with the charts is they don't reference where there data comes from. Who decides if something is comedogenic, and how do they decide it? Joyful & Fun Soaping, Vicky Raven, mineral oil is one of the LEAST comedonegenic (pore-clogging) oils around...it is far less comedonegenic than most of the vegetable oils that we use in lotions. Jules in Vancouver >> Even mineral oil has too big of molucules to be absorbed into the > skin, it >> sinks into the pores and does a very good job of clogging them. >> Raven > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Bob, thanks so much for the great lesson! Thank goodness for you and all of the other experts on this list that continually improve my education. Leanna in Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Judy do you mean regular mineral oil which is found in drugstores for making scrubs? no matter what type of oil you use for scrubs~it will seperate from a your other ingredients because oil does not mix!!!! If i wrong please educate me by all means!!!! Misty http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Hi Misty, This is what is listed on the ingredient label Thickened Mineral Oil: Mineral Oil, Beeswax, Microcystalline Wax, Sorbitan Monolaurate eothoxylate, EDTA, Methyl Paraben. The only thing I had to add is the sugar (brown or white) or the salt and my EO and coloring. It did not separate. Trust me. It's wonderful. Judy Re: Mineral Oil Judy do you mean regular mineral oil which is found in drugstores for making scrubs? no matter what type of oil you use for scrubs~it will seperate from a your other ingredients because oil does not mix!!!! If i wrong please educate me by all means!!!! Misty http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 Judy---where did you get this Mineral Oil from? thanks hon~Misty http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Judy im glad your scrubs came out great! Could you use regular Mineral Oil from drugstores? How much to you use for say 2oz , 4oz, 6oz,8oz.???? I dont know where to order it if i cant use mineral oil from the drugstore. Could you send me the exact recipe you used? And what fo's you used too? Thank you so much! *hugs* Misty http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2002 Report Share Posted October 24, 2002 You might want to try some of the oils you can get at any supermarket. Safflower, peanut (be careful to label it, though, for those with peanut allergies), canola, and good quality olive oil are all readily available, and would be nicer on your skin than mineral oil. Health food stores carry sweet almond and some other of the " fancier " oils. But you can make a very nice scrub with just safflower oil, IMHO. Heidi Re: Mineral Oil > Judy im glad your scrubs came out great! Could you use regular Mineral > Oil from drugstores? How much to you use for say 2oz , 4oz, > 6oz,8oz.???? I dont know where to order it if i cant use mineral oil > from the drugstore. Could you send me the exact recipe you used? And > what fo's you used too? Thank you so much! *hugs* Misty > > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2002 Report Share Posted October 24, 2002 Hi Misty, Here is the link to the Mineral oil base from WSP. http://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com/showProduct.asp?ProductID=2126 I have never tried mineral oil from the drugstore but it may work....worth a try. The base that I use calls for equal parts of salt or sugar to mineral oil base plus any FO, EO, or color. I made a mix of 2 oz base plus 2 oz of sugar (some I substituted salt). I used orange eo and peach fo...I didn't measure it but just used my nose. Then I colored it yellow and added a little red to make it orange. Peoples reaction to great to the scent. I love it too. Just be sure to put a caution warning on your label that the tub may be slippery. Hope this helps. Judy P.S. WSP adds preservatives to all their premade bases so that's something you don't have to worry about. Re: Mineral Oil Judy im glad your scrubs came out great! Could you use regular Mineral Oil from drugstores? How much to you use for say 2oz , 4oz, 6oz,8oz.???? I dont know where to order it if i cant use mineral oil from the drugstore. Could you send me the exact recipe you used? And what fo's you used too? Thank you so much! *hugs* Misty http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2002 Report Share Posted October 24, 2002 I use Safflower oil all the time & my scrubs come out great!!!!! Misty http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2002 Report Share Posted October 25, 2002 okay ladies listen up (please) i have 2 reliable articles on Mineral oil. DESERT SONLGHT: Natural Hand & Body Lotions " quote " ~A good lotion will NOT have mineral oil as an ingredient. Mineral oil tends to set on top of your skin & helps block moisture from evaporating from your body---end of " quote " READ REVIEWS & COMPARE PRICES ON ORIGINS, GINGER SOUFFLE WHIPPED: " quote " - Mineral oil is one of the supreme horror secrets that many skin care companies want to keep quiet about b/c they dont want you to know about its extremely cheap quality, high profit margin & damaging effects. They'd rather lie to you and try to convince you that mineral oil is good for your skin when it is not,because mineral oil saves them tons of money which is why its primarily used in very cheap lotions. Mineral oil does nothing but sit on top of your skin and clog your pores. You might as well grab some automotive oil or oil from the Exxon Valdez oil spill and slather it on your skin,because it comes from the same family of oils! end of " quote " I dont know about all of you but typing this almost made me sick to my stomach!!!! HTH~Misty http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2002 Report Share Posted October 26, 2002 Please feel free to use mineral oil or not, but the facts remain facts, and that is the basis of any ingredients usefulness and safety. The comodogenicity of an oil means that the oil is able to wick into the skins pores and clog them. This has quite a bit to do with viscosity and surface tension, as well as with how the skin's biological activity deals with all the foreign stuff we smear on it. Thick greases and butters will clog your skin pores. Your own natural skin oils will do the same, and you can't get more natural than that. That's why we get pimples. Some of the worst and most comedogenic oils are the common or garden vegetable derived oils. Mineral oil is well known to be one of the least comedogenic oils. Fact. Simple and true. Yes it is cheap. Yes it sits within the upper layers of the skin without soaking in. But 99% of benefit of all of the oils we put on our skin comes from precisely this action. The purpose of the oils is to seal the surface in order to prevent moisture loss. Full stop. That's all they do, and that's all they're supposed to do. Just because something is naturally derived does not mean it is necessarily good for you. Rattle snake venom is natural. Anthrax spores are natural, uranium is natural, even mineral oil is derived from the millions of living creatures that once grew and walked and soaked up carbon. Every part of mineral oil is 100% organic in that sense. But that doesn't make it either good or bad. If we want to talk about conspiracy theories we need to recognise that many of the " natural product " manufacturers quote these " horror stories " in order to sell you their own products. They know that women are concerned (along with the rest of us!) about our health and the environment and toxic wastes etc. But most manufacturers see this as a marketing opportunity to be exploited. They simply bait their hook with shocking half truths in order to get you worried. If they know their skin and cosmetic science basics (which I often doubt) they only comment negatively and very suggestively about ingredients they don't use, and positively, usually in glowing terms, about the wonder ingredients they do use. This is called selling the sizzle instead of the steak. Their marketing could be summed up as " if you can't blind 'em with science you can always baffle 'em with bullsh*t! " Here is an example. How many of the cosmetics you use, and swear by, are labelled as containing natural coconut-derived ingredients? I'll bet you'll find plenty. Look at any personal care products and cosmetics that don't specifically plug the natural angle and you will find names like cocodiethanolamide, sodium lauryl (or laureth) sulphate, cocamidopropylbetaine, cocoamphoacetate. Almost everything containing the word coco- or laur- can be called coconut derived. When you read the former you think " Oh good, a cosmetic derived from natural ingredients, I can use this safely. " But when you see the actual chemical name of these same ingredients you think " Oh no! This is full of chemicals; I'd better not use it! " Ask your self this: if a manufacturer can sell a product for $2 by calling an ingredient naturally derived or for only $1 by giving it its proper INCI name which angle do you think he is going to promote? I have followed a lot of correspondence on this site that praises the usefulness of many ingredients, and everyone accepts them because they are recommended by others whose good will they trust. But at the same time we are worried about using " chemicals " . Example: Polysorbate 20. a non-ionic surfactant emulsifier, chemical name sorbitan monolaurate polyethoxlyate (Tween 20). Lots of ethylene oxide units here, just like polyethylene glycol. Example: Emulsifying Wax, basically cetyl alcohol containing either sodium lauryl sulphate or a non-ionic ethylene oxide based surfactant. There is no substitute for accurate knowledge. Bob Foulkes Re: Mineral Oil okay ladies listen up (please) i have 2 reliable articles on Mineral oil. DESERT SONLGHT: Natural Hand & Body Lotions " quote " ~A good lotion will NOT have mineral oil as an ingredient. Mineral oil tends to set on top of your skin & helps block moisture from evaporating from your body---end of " quote " READ REVIEWS & COMPARE PRICES ON ORIGINS, GINGER SOUFFLE WHIPPED: " quote " - Mineral oil is one of the supreme horror secrets that many skin care companies want to keep quiet about b/c they dont want you to know about its extremely cheap quality, high profit margin & damaging effects. They'd rather lie to you and try to convince you that mineral oil is good for your skin when it is not,because mineral oil saves them tons of money which is why its primarily used in very cheap lotions. Mineral oil does nothing but sit on top of your skin and clog your pores. You might as well grab some automotive oil or oil from the Exxon Valdez oil spill and slather it on your skin,because it comes from the same family of oils! end of " quote " I dont know about all of you but typing this almost made me sick to my stomach!!!! HTH~Misty http://community.webtv.net/mpw98/ForeverYoursATouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2002 Report Share Posted October 27, 2002 Hi Bob: Welcome to the group! :-) I don't want you to think I'm attacking you, but I want to clarify a few of the things you posted: > The comodogenicity of an oil means that the oil is able to wick into the > skins pores and clog them. This has quite a bit to do with viscosity and > surface tension, as well as with how the skin's biological activity > deals with all the foreign stuff we smear on it. Thick greases and > butters will clog your skin pores. Your own natural skin oils will do > the same, and you can't get more natural than that. That's why we get > pimples. All of us have sebum (skin oil), but not all of us have pimples. The reason some of us get them and others don't is still a mystery to scientists (otherwise we would have a cure). They speculate that it is due to a hormone imbalance causing the skin to produce too much oil, coupled with slow-sloughing skin cells and bacteria that clog pores and lead to acne. > Some of the worst and most comedogenic oils are the common or > garden vegetable derived oils. Mineral oil is well known to be one of > the least comedogenic oils. Fact. Simple and true. Yes it is cheap. Yes > it sits within the upper layers of the skin without soaking in. But 99% > of benefit of all of the oils we put on our skin comes from precisely > this action. The purpose of the oils is to seal the surface in order to > prevent moisture loss. Full stop. That's all they do, and that's all > they're supposed to do. The skin is the largest organ of the body. When it is functioning normally, it absorbs as well as excretes nutrients and toxins (example: trans-dermal prescriptions). Mineral oil is not absorbed by the skin, but lays on it's surface like a piece of Saran Wrap, neither allowing moisture to escape, nor toxins to be eliminated. While mineral oil has been tested on a short-term basis, what would be the long-term effects of this? > Just because something is naturally derived does not mean it is > necessarily good for you. Rattle snake venom is natural. Anthrax spores > are natural, uranium is natural, even mineral oil is derived from the > millions of living creatures that once grew and walked and soaked up > carbon. Every part of mineral oil is 100% organic in that sense. But > that doesn't make it either good or bad. Agreed. > If we want to talk about conspiracy theories we need to recognise that > many of the " natural product " manufacturers quote these " horror stories " > in order to sell you their own products. They know that women are > concerned (along with the rest of us!) about our health and the > environment and toxic wastes etc. But most manufacturers see this as a > marketing opportunity to be exploited. They simply bait their hook with > shocking half truths in order to get you worried. If they know their > skin and cosmetic science basics (which I often doubt) they only comment > negatively and very suggestively about ingredients they don't use, and > positively, usually in glowing terms, about the wonder ingredients they > do use. This is called selling the sizzle instead of the steak. Their > marketing could be summed up as " if you can't blind 'em with science you > can always baffle 'em with bullsh*t! " There are very few of us on this list that claim to be large-scale manufacturers. Most of us are home chemists that produce our products in small-batches (freshness, quality and shelf-life are real concerns on this list) and use time-tested recipes that have proven themselves to be every bit as effective as commercial brands, but without the side-effects. We do not " exploit " or " baffle " our customers (we WANT repeat business!) and word-of-mouth is a very powerful tool that can make or break a small company. > Here is an example. How many of the cosmetics you use, and swear by, are > labelled as containing natural coconut-derived ingredients? I'll bet > you'll find plenty. Look at any personal care products and cosmetics > that don't specifically plug the natural angle and you will find names > like cocodiethanolamide, sodium lauryl (or laureth) sulphate, > cocamidopropylbetaine, cocoamphoacetate. Almost everything containing > the word coco- or laur- can be called coconut derived. When you read the > former you think " Oh good, a cosmetic derived from natural ingredients, > I can use this safely. " But when you see the actual chemical name of > these same ingredients you think " Oh no! This is full of chemicals; I'd > better not use it! " Ask your self this: if a manufacturer can sell a > product for $2 by calling an ingredient naturally derived or for only $1 > by giving it its proper INCI name which angle do you think he is going > to promote? Everything on the face of this planet is made of " chemicals " ...there was a Dow-Corning ad from a few years ago that broke an orange down into it's respective chemical constituents (the list was incredibly long!) " Natural " has been a very popular buzzword in the cosmetics industry for a long time. I remember those brightly-colored shampoos from the 70's in Green Apple and Strawberry...made you think you were washing your hair with fruit, but no real fruit smelled like that! :-Þ The FDA requires ingredient listings of cosmetics according to predominance, so if you read the labels of some of these so-called " natural cosmetics " you will notice they are made up of mostly synthetic ingredients (cyclomethicone, preservatives, detergents, fragrance), and a very small percentage of natural ingredients...just enough to claim they are " natural " . Our products are (for the most part) literally good enough to eat (although we don't recommend it)! ;-) > I have followed a lot of correspondence on this site that praises the > usefulness of many ingredients, and everyone accepts them because they > are recommended by others whose good will they trust. But at the same > time we are worried about using " chemicals " . Example: Polysorbate 20. a > non-ionic surfactant emulsifier, chemical name sorbitan monolaurate > polyethoxlyate (Tween 20). Lots of ethylene oxide units here, just like > polyethylene glycol. Example: Emulsifying Wax, basically cetyl alcohol > containing either sodium lauryl sulphate or a non-ionic ethylene oxide > based surfactant. Not all of us use these ingredients, but yes, they are indeed " chemicals " ! > There is no substitute for accurate knowledge. My point exactly! ;-) Cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2002 Report Share Posted October 27, 2002 By the way, NuSkin products do not have mineral oil and are wonderful emollients. Mindie Pruss Mindie's Memorables mindiepruss@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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