fruits

[Guest guest]

See comment below.

" Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. "

-- Will

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Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/27/03

>Gwen,

> Thanks for commenting on this... This issue has been bothering me

>for awhile now.. I was unsure as to how to approach this... I felt

>as if some had a superior self rightous attitude. People come here

>for support and to ask questions. I am not encouraged to ask

>questions when I feel I might be critized for doing so.. If I knew

>all the answers and knew how to get through all my struggles then I

>wouldn't be here asking for help.Some people here don't have all the

>answers and aren't perfect on this journey. We learn as we go.Seems

may have been a little tough for the taste of some, but.....you'll find

that this is a tough love group. We call them the way we see them. Whether

Dan, Sandy, , or anyone else.

I believe we try to be relatively gentle, but just like you sometimes have to

discipline a child, train your dog, fire an employee, etc, there are times we

all need a good swift kick in the butt.

I can assure you that there is no ill will and that none of us is superior to

another. But those of us who have been successful over several years know what

works and what doesn't work.

Hang in there.....we'll all make it, though we all know it isn't always easy.

Hell, I'm not sure it is EVER easy. I ate a bit too much today at the

restaurant in the Lucerna here in TJ, but at the first hiccup I said " uh

oh...this is good, but I don't want to barf..... " and they took away about 2/3

of the combo plate. One part of me felt really bad....it was soooo damn good.

Another part congratulated me on knowing to stop when I did, even if it was a

bite or two past what it should have been.

cheers

dan

[Guest guest]

gwen,

the commentary on doctors being fallable and soft peddling early days

compromise of the band does not support anyone.

the question about the reason for the liquid phase was accompanied by

the comment that she ate a couple of strawberries and how could that

hurt?

that is the point of all this back and forth. not that the question

wasn't valid. you don't change the program because you have a

question about something that doesn't make sense. you find the

answer first and then make a decision.

so compromising the program in week one or two to eat what feels

comfortable is a travesty, given the rest of one's life with a band.

who ever compromises in week one or two better get realistic if they

plan on being successful as a bandster. this is the kind of support

we are obligated to give to one another.

this wasn't just a momentary slip. we all make those and pick our

selves up, hopefully, and get back with the program. this was a

blatant compromise and that's the point.

george

[Guest guest]

sharon,

what does support look like to you? sometimes it means getting down

and dirty. sometimes its filled with empathy. but if you think that

just giving each other the warmies and patting each other on the back

is support, you are mistaken.

and what was said about the strawberry incident has implications for

all of us.

george

>

> Gwen,

> Thanks for commenting on this... This issue has been bothering

me

> for awhile now.. I was unsure as to how to approach this... I felt

> as if some had a superior self rightous attitude. People come here

> for support and to ask questions. I am not encouraged to ask

> questions when I feel I might be critized for doing so.. If I knew

> all the answers and knew how to get through all my struggles then I

> wouldn't be here asking for help.Some people here don't have all

the

> answers and aren't perfect on this journey. //

[Guest guest]

,

I appreciate your concern! Although my original questions was really

just the reason for liquids. In my original message I wrote

/But if I have a strawberie or 2, is it really terrible? I mean,

what is the whole reason for being on liquids for a whole 2 weeks

anyway?/ That didn't mean that I had the strawberrie, it just looked

good at that moment. And when I wrote

/I've tried and I can eat soft foods already, can I start?/ All I

tried was a couple of noodles and a small piece of potato in my

soup, which I smashed with a fork so fine, that I couldn't even see

it in there anymore - that's what I called soft food. I was just

curious if I feel it going through. After some of the people in the

group started " yelling " at me, I did not do that anymore, and I was

so scared that I went on just liquids - literally, nothing smashed

or blanded, just pure liquids. And then, in a day or 2, you

mentioned that you actually did that and blanded some of the real

food with broth and that we're allowed to do that. I felt a lot

better and was able to enjoy the last couple of days of my liquid

stage.

The reason I wrote all this, I just don't want to cause any hard

feelings between anyone in the group, because of me. And, I am sorry

if the question was not clear. Let's all put this behind us and go

on with our journey! Thank you!

anna

4/12/07

>

> gwen,

>

> the commentary on doctors being fallable and soft peddling early

days

> compromise of the band does not support anyone.

>

>

> the question about the reason for the liquid phase was accompanied

by

> the comment that she ate a couple of strawberries and how could

that

> hurt?

>

> that is the point of all this back and forth. not that the

question

> wasn't valid. you don't change the program because you have a

> question about something that doesn't make sense. you find the

> answer first and then make a decision.

>

> so compromising the program in week one or two to eat what feels

> comfortable is a travesty, given the rest of one's life with a

band.

> who ever compromises in week one or two better get realistic if

they

> plan on being successful as a bandster. this is the kind of

support

> we are obligated to give to one another.

>

> this wasn't just a momentary slip. we all make those and pick our

> selves up, hopefully, and get back with the program. this was a

> blatant compromise and that's the point.

>

> george

>

[Guest guest]

,

My point wasn't that I wxpected all warmies when someone asked a

question...The poster wanted to know what the harm would be IF she

ate 1 or 2 strawberries.... She didn't say she ATE them already...We

could have just told her the reason why not to eat them(because of

Dr.s orders) and let it go at that...I am unclear as to what kind of

implications you are referring too? Asking how a starwberry or two

would hurt is a geniune question..

I could understand the need to get down and dirty as you put it if

she had already eaten the strawberry and knew the the reasons as why

not to and chose to eat it anyways.. But that isn't the case here

she was asking if /why she couldn't eat them..She had a question and

she asked the group for help. I feel we could give a simple

explaination as to the answer and not make someone feel bad for

having a real question/concern is all.

Re: Fruits

I'm still on liquids after my surgery (4/12/07). But if I have a

strawberie or 2, is it really terrible? I mean, what is the whole

reason for being on liquids for a whole 2 weeks anyway? I've tried

and

I can eat soft foods already, can I start? Or do I have to wait the

whole 2 weeks? I am hungry when I'm just on liquids and it's getting

harder and harder.

anna

4/12/07

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In , " george " <georgezimme@...>

wrote:

>

> sharon,

>

> what does support look like to you? sometimes it means getting

down

> and dirty. sometimes its filled with empathy. but if you think

that

> just giving each other the warmies and patting each other on the

back

> is support, you are mistaken.

>

> and what was said about the strawberry incident has implications

for

> all of us.

>

> george

> >

> > Gwen,

> > Thanks for commenting on this... This issue has been

bothering

> me

> > for awhile now.. I was unsure as to how to approach this... I

felt

> > as if some had a superior self rightous attitude. People come

here

> > for support and to ask questions. I am not encouraged to ask

> > questions when I feel I might be critized for doing so.. If I

knew

> > all the answers and knew how to get through all my struggles

then I

> > wouldn't be here asking for help.Some people here don't have all

> the

> > answers and aren't perfect on this journey. //

>

[Guest guest]

marianna,

i'm so pleased to hear your status. i was very concerned. at the

same time, your original posting (misinterpreted or not) was an

excellent object lesson for us all.

so please don't take my remarks personally. you did the entire board

a service by letting us get tough about the post-op instructions.

its important for everyone. so you see, your posting was a gift to

us all.

keep up the good work, kiddo.

george

>

> ,

>

> I appreciate your concern! Although my original questions was

really

> just the reason for liquids. //

[Guest guest]

no --- i can eat them just fine. frozen grapes are a great snack for me.

At 12:05 PM 11/30/2007, you wrote:

>Hello,

> Anyone else have trouble eating fruits? I can't eat fruits that have

>skins unless I peel them.Grapes are a pain to peel so I just gave them

>up completely.Anything with a skin attached won't go down.Anyone else

>have this problem?

>Thanks

>SharonS

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello serenitywon,

Friday, November 30, 2007, 10:05:20 AM, you wrote:

> Anyone else have trouble eating fruits? I can't eat fruits that have

> skins unless I peel them.Grapes are a pain to peel so I just gave them

> up completely.Anything with a skin attached won't go down.Anyone else

> have this problem?

Yes. I gave up grapes and on the occasions I eat fruits like apples,

pears, peaches, they have to be peeled. Seems to me it is because no

matter how much you chew it, the skin ends up in a little wad that

will get stuck. On some occasions I've chewed it until the little wad

of skin was all that list and then " daintily " (well, as dainty as I

can get) removed it from my mouth like I would an olive pit.

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

Dan,

I've noticed that when I have difficulty with a food or it

becomes just too much work to enjoy it I usually give it up.Eating

most of the time is just a pain in the well-----..fill in the

blank.It is frustrating at home and nearly impossible to eat out in

a public setting with people.No matter what I order.My list of foods

that work well is getting smaller it seems.

Is it possible for band placement to affect ability to eat? When

I sit up straight like at the table I can't seem to get food down.No

matter what it is.Soup even at times if it is thick. When I sit

reclined in my chair or bed I can get food down.I wonder if I am

pinching something off in certain positions? Or putting pressure on

something that causes me pain? Any ideas? I know it is recommended

to sit at a table,focus on your food and eat within like 20 minutes

etc.I can't do this or I have pain. I have to eat reclined on my

bed.Take pea size bites chew chew chew swallow,wait a couple minutes

and repeat.my meals last 30-50 minutes.If I eat any faster I have

pain and have to stop.I find if I occupy myself while eating (like

check e-mail or read posts between bites)I can eat and not have

pain.Once again makes no difference what I eat or drink. I have been

this way from day one post op.Makes no difference with my fill

levels as it did it with no fill too. My port is located on my

left.If I put my hands on my hips my index finger is almost on top

of my port.It sticks out slightly and is easily felt with just

placing my hand on it. As a reminder I am also a RNY patient of 6.5

years and banded 1 year this Dec 5th.

Is this strange or common in some people?

Sorry for the novel.

Thanks

SharonS

In , Dan Lester <honu@...> wrote:

>

> Hello serenitywon,

>

> Friday, November 30, 2007, 10:05:20 AM, you wrote:

>

> > Anyone else have trouble eating fruits? I can't eat fruits

that have

> > skins unless I peel them.Grapes are a pain to peel so I just

gave them

> > up completely.Anything with a skin attached won't go down.Anyone

else

> > have this problem?

>

> Yes. I gave up grapes and on the occasions I eat fruits like

apples,

> pears, peaches, they have to be peeled. Seems to me it is because

no

> matter how much you chew it, the skin ends up in a little wad that

> will get stuck. On some occasions I've chewed it until the little

wad

> of skin was all that list and then " daintily " (well, as dainty as I

> can get) removed it from my mouth like I would an olive pit.

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

[Guest guest]

yikes sharon...things dont sound very good for you. i hope that dan

or sandy have some suggestions.

At 04:56 PM 11/30/2007, you wrote:

>Dan,

> I've noticed that when I have difficulty with a food or it

>becomes just too much work to enjoy it I usually give it up.Eating

>most of the time is just a pain in the well-----..fill in the

>blank.It is frustrating at home and nearly impossible to eat out in

>a public setting with people.No matter what I order.My list of foods

>that work well is getting smaller it seems.

> Is it possible for band placement to affect ability to eat? When

>I sit up straight like at the table I can't seem to get food down.No

>matter what it is.Soup even at times if it is thick. When I sit

>reclined in my chair or bed I can get food down.I wonder if I am

>pinching something off in certain positions? Or putting pressure on

>something that causes me pain? Any ideas? I know it is recommended

>to sit at a table,focus on your food and eat within like 20 minutes

>etc.I can't do this or I have pain. I have to eat reclined on my

>bed.Take pea size bites chew chew chew swallow,wait a couple minutes

>and repeat.my meals last 30-50 minutes.If I eat any faster I have

>pain and have to stop.I find if I occupy myself while eating (like

>check e-mail or read posts between bites)I can eat and not have

>pain.Once again makes no difference what I eat or drink. I have been

>this way from day one post op.Makes no difference with my fill

>levels as it did it with no fill too. My port is located on my

>left.If I put my hands on my hips my index finger is almost on top

>of my port.It sticks out slightly and is easily felt with just

>placing my hand on it. As a reminder I am also a RNY patient of 6.5

>years and banded 1 year this Dec 5th.

> Is this strange or common in some people?

>Sorry for the novel.

>Thanks

>SharonS

>

>

> In , Dan Lester <honu@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hello serenitywon,

> >

> > Friday, November 30, 2007, 10:05:20 AM, you wrote:

> >

> > > Anyone else have trouble eating fruits? I can't eat fruits

>that have

> > > skins unless I peel them.Grapes are a pain to peel so I just

>gave them

> > > up completely.Anything with a skin attached won't go down.Anyone

>else

> > > have this problem?

> >

> > Yes. I gave up grapes and on the occasions I eat fruits like

>apples,

> > pears, peaches, they have to be peeled. Seems to me it is because

>no

> > matter how much you chew it, the skin ends up in a little wad that

> > will get stuck. On some occasions I've chewed it until the little

>wad

> > of skin was all that list and then " daintily " (well, as dainty as I

> > can get) removed it from my mouth like I would an olive pit.

> >

> > --

> > Best regards,

> > Dan mailto:honu@...

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Fruit skins are a very common problem. They are next to impossible to

chew up well, so fruits need to be peeled. This is one of the basic

band needs, and is covered in my Band Guide in the files, if you're

interested, and in all Band books.

These types of things are the most basic info that your doc or his

nutritionist should be covering with you.

sorry you've had trouble with this!

Frozen grapes can work ok, becuase the skins are pretty stiff and

dehydrated, but I generally avoid grapes because they are really

nothing but sugar. There are much healthier fruits that i choose for

the small amt of fruit i have. I suggest eating more veggies and less

fruits, since veggies have all the nutrition that fruits do, for far

fewer calories. Sadly, calories will always count for us!

Sandy r

>

> Hello,

> Anyone else have trouble eating fruits? I can't eat fruits that

have

> skins unless I peel them.Grapes are a pain to peel so I just gave

them

> up completely.Anything with a skin attached won't go down.Anyone else

> have this problem?

> Thanks

> SharonS

>

[Guest guest]

for fruit i eat bananas and berries mostly. however, i love grapes,

adn i know that they are mostly sugar, but when i am feeling deprived

becaue i want ice cream, the grapes do the trick better than the other fruits..

i eat heaploads of veggies as i have tons of salads...not just with

lettuce and greens but all sorts of veggies like cabbage,

cauliflower, etc. i am a big salad person.

At 01:45 PM 12/1/2007, you wrote:

>Fruit skins are a very common problem. They are next to impossible to

>chew up well, so fruits need to be peeled. This is one of the basic

>band needs, and is covered in my Band Guide in the files, if you're

>interested, and in all Band books.

>These types of things are the most basic info that your doc or his

>nutritionist should be covering with you.

>sorry you've had trouble with this!

>

>Frozen grapes can work ok, becuase the skins are pretty stiff and

>dehydrated, but I generally avoid grapes because they are really

>nothing but sugar. There are much healthier fruits that i choose for

>the small amt of fruit i have. I suggest eating more veggies and less

>fruits, since veggies have all the nutrition that fruits do, for far

>fewer calories. Sadly, calories will always count for us!

>

>Sandy r

>

>

> >

> > Hello,

> > Anyone else have trouble eating fruits? I can't eat fruits that

>have

> > skins unless I peel them.Grapes are a pain to peel so I just gave

>them

> > up completely.Anything with a skin attached won't go down.Anyone else

> > have this problem?

> > Thanks

> > SharonS

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My list varies from yours. You can find other lists by searching glycemic

index, fruits.

Joan

Food

GI Value

Cherries

22

Grapefruit

25

Prunes

29

Apricots, dried

30

Apple

38

Peach, canned in juice

38

Pear, fresh

38

Plum

39

Strawberries

40

Orange, Navel

42

Peach, fresh

42

Pear, canned

43

Grapes

46

Mango

51

Banana

52

Fruit Cocktail

55

Papaya

56

Raisins

56

Apricots, fresh

57

Kiwi

58

Figs, dried

61

Apricots, canned

64

Cantaloupe

65

Pineapple, fresh

66

Watermelon

72

Dates

103

candidiasis

From: dlphnsmyl@...

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:10:51 +0000

Subject: Fruits

My apologies for what is most likely a horribly over-posted

question, but when I did a search I came up with 4130 results and, well, I don't

have hours to read through them

I love fruit. I could live on fruit. With this diet, however, I've been told I

have to " greatly limit " my fruit. I understand that the low-carb fruits are ok

to limit, but how low-carb? In my research, I have found that the

low-to-mid-carb fruits are the (in order of lowest to highest): avocado, plum,

peach, strawberry, apricot, papaya, orange, raspberry. The higher ones I've

found are the: blackberry, cherry, pineapple, persimmon, blueberry, pear, apple

*sob*, banana *sob more*, fig, grapefruit, and persimmon.

I obviously don't have the candidiasis as bad as some, but I do still suffer

when I cheat too much. Can someone clarify which fruits are ok to consume in

moderation?

Thank you!!

Stacey

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[Guest guest]

Hello!

Hey my thoughts exactly! What is Candida " legal " and what is not as in fruits

AND VEGES! I have severe problems with my Candida problem and therefore the

ongoing reacurring dysbiosis! I'm self diagnosed by the fact that sugar playes

havoc with my bowels, and low carb veges of which I'm still not completely clear

which ones ARE low carb! So many opnions and so much information that can be

MIS- information!

I have YET to see ANYBODY make a list of foods. Then again what works for some

may not work for others? Upon rising I drink a big glass of water and another

8oz of water mixed with 2 tsps of Braggs Raw Unfiltered Apple Cider Vinegar.

For breakfast a hard boiled egg diced up with a little salsa and some canned

tomatoes with a sprinkle of sodium free " No Salt " (super high in potassium!)

alternative and half a capsule of Now Curcumin (from turmeric root extract)

sprinkled on the mix. Some canned Red Salmon cooked in a dab of Smart Balance

light buttery spread that has flax oil in it, some Olive Oil and some Coconut

Oil to cook in. Sometimes a teaspoonful of raw almond butter (YUMMY!) from a jar

of MaraNatha no salt raw/creamy with NO BREAD but by itself on a plastic spoon.

I use to have one organic green apple with breakfast but not sure that is a good

idea?

I take 2 to 3 scoops of Now Whey Protein Isolate, 3-100 mcg's of Now Selenium A

TOTAL A DAY and of course the gas happy galloping horse musical effect Now

Inulin with each meal!!! Sometimes I eat three meals a day and sometimes I eat

two. Depending on how much suffering I want to do by eating. Take one Pro-Biotic

PB8 or Nutraceutical Probiotic 15-35 capsule alternating with each meal

I like to make stove top cooked/steamed vege stews of organic frozen green peas

(Candida free feeding legal?)green beans and the all important to me Broccoli

Florets (Sooo high in Vit C, and some helping fiber etc) cooked in a cup of

Imagine organic low sodium Vegetable Broth (all organic carrots, celery, tomato

paste, spices, the ALL IMPORTANT expeller pressed ONLY canola oil and/or

safflower oil and/or sunflower oil(s), garlic, sea salt).

I include a teaspoon or so of Coconut and Virgin Olive Oil in the mix. Along

with canned diced organic tomatoes, and some Wholly All Natural Salsa (NO white

vinegar but Tomatoes, onion, green bell peppers. lime juice, salt, garlic,

cilantro. spices, garlic powder, natural flavors). Then there is the daily scoop

of again of raw almond butter and this time with a scoop of Tree of Life Organic

Sesame Tahini butter (high in calcium! For my aching bones and joints from the

dysbiosis of candida?). A yummy helping of some Barrel Sauerkraut (German recipe

all natural- no preservatives) of just white cabbage and salt.

With each meal I take 10 tablets of Sun ChlorellaA for its many beneficial

properties and nutrients as well as its ability to extract the possible mercury

from the canned salmon from my deterioting bod it seems!

Then there is the teapsoonful of organic flax seeds, organic shelled hemp seeds,

organic raw sunflower seeds, walnuts, pecans, 5 RAW/FRESH (NOT SUN DRIED!)

Apricot seeds, a few pine nuts and some raw pumpkin seeds for the all important

prostate (I have problems voiding sometimes) zinc - all ground up in a coffee

grinder. I drink NO coffee, pop or tea!

For the sometimes evening meal of raw salads of mainly organic Baby Spinach, red

or yellow bell peppers, raw garlic, celery, maybe cabbage, some avocado but NO

DRESSINGS except some Olive oil and sometimes a dab of Coconut oil again. And

more of the coffee ground mix sprinkle on for flavor listed above

Did I leave anything out of this main diet? My point was to mention this diet

and maybe with some possible problems with this diet that someone can chime in

about, in causing my continual dysbiosis. How does a person know what works?

Take one food a day until you know what works for you and " heal " ' the over

production of Candida?

From what I read everybody has Candida, its " normal " and has a purpose, its just

when its out of control (feed to much sugars and low carbs?) and from lack of

prebiotics for good bacteria, it thrives!

So which fruits and veges are safe?

Not all good!

Lyle

>

> My apologies for what is most likely a horribly over-posted question, but when

I did a search I came up with 4130 results and, well, I don't have hours to read

through them

>

> I love fruit. I could live on fruit. With this diet, however, I've been told

I have to " greatly limit " my fruit. I understand that the low-carb fruits are

ok to limit, but how low-carb? In my research, I have found that the

low-to-mid-carb fruits are the (in order of lowest to highest): avocado, plum,

peach, strawberry, apricot, papaya, orange, raspberry. The higher ones I've

found are the: blackberry, cherry, pineapple, persimmon, blueberry, pear, apple

*sob*, banana *sob more*, fig, grapefruit, and persimmon.

>

> I obviously don't have the candidiasis as bad as some, but I do still suffer

when I cheat too much. Can someone clarify which fruits are ok to consume in

moderation?

>

> Thank you!!

> Stacey

>

[Guest guest]

Stacey,

Interesting experience regarding fruit:

http://dietforahappyplanet.com/candida/

I recently spoke with someone who also does this diet (mentioned in article) and

he said it's not that uncommon to get fairly quick results with it for candida,

often just a few days. He recommended the fruits lower in sugar. Also squashes

like zucchini are considered fruits.

It not so much fruits that are the problem it's the rest of the stuff people eat

mixed with fruit. When digestion is sluggish other food sits around too long

and ferments so if you eat meat for dinner and it's not fully digested, then eat

fruit for breakfast and feel sick, it's not the fruit at fault but rather the

meat. That's the really quick explanation. No time for more today but keep an

eye out since I will be posting more on this in the near future.

If you or anyone else has questions about fruit and candida I will get them

answered by someone who is more experienced in this next week so post away and

then be patient for a response.

I personally eat a lot of fruit. A small amount is crucial to prevent the

candida from leaving the bowel and entering the organs. When I was really bad

off that's what my doc said. Sour apples, a few strawberries, sour grapefruit,

etc.

Sharon Hoehner

www.detoxqueen.com

>

> My apologies for what is most likely a horribly over-posted question, but when

I did a search I came up with 4130 results and, well, I don't have hours to read

through them

>

> I love fruit. I could live on fruit. With this diet, however, I've been told

I have to " greatly limit " my fruit. I understand that the low-carb fruits are

ok to limit, but how low-carb? In my research, I have found that the

low-to-mid-carb fruits are the (in order of lowest to highest): avocado, plum,

peach, strawberry, apricot, papaya, orange, raspberry. The higher ones I've

found are the: blackberry, cherry, pineapple, persimmon, blueberry, pear, apple

*sob*, banana *sob more*, fig, grapefruit, and persimmon.

>

> I obviously don't have the candidiasis as bad as some, but I do still suffer

when I cheat too much. Can someone clarify which fruits are ok to consume in

moderation?

>

> Thank you!!

> Stacey

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

First of all, THANK you for probably explaining why I've been having horrible

stomach cramps: I've been eating oatmeal with blueberries in the morning, then

lunch and dinner have included meat. It never bothered me before, but ..well, I

guess it does now.

Regarding the website, I'm VERY happy that there is a theory that includes fruit

for Candida diets, however, the statement that Candida is caused by excess fat

is untrue. I've been underweight most of my life and since this " thing " hit my

life two years ago, it has been difficult for me to gain weight at all (I'm 5'8 "

and can't get past 110).

Just my two cents, but I will check out this book!

Thanks!

Stacey

> >

> > My apologies for what is most likely a horribly over-posted question, but

when I did a search I came up with 4130 results and, well, I don't have hours to

read through them

> >

> > I love fruit. I could live on fruit. With this diet, however, I've been

told I have to " greatly limit " my fruit. I understand that the low-carb fruits

are ok to limit, but how low-carb? In my research, I have found that the

low-to-mid-carb fruits are the (in order of lowest to highest): avocado, plum,

peach, strawberry, apricot, papaya, orange, raspberry. The higher ones I've

found are the: blackberry, cherry, pineapple, persimmon, blueberry, pear, apple

*sob*, banana *sob more*, fig, grapefruit, and persimmon.

> >

> > I obviously don't have the candidiasis as bad as some, but I do still suffer

when I cheat too much. Can someone clarify which fruits are ok to consume in

moderation?

> >

> > Thank you!!

> > Stacey

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I've had the worst case of candida all my life.....I've been seeing a

nutritionist last couple of years, and before her I knew there was something

wrong, had all the symptoms and diseases, but never connected the

dots.......since her, I've been mostly candida free........

I find I can eat most any fruit---in MODERATION.......I love, love bananas and

watermelon (in summer)......whereas I used to eat a banana without thinking

about it, now I eat them a little green---not a lot, but before they have any

brown spots on them---it's when they start to get really ripe that they deveop

MORE sugar.......I do eat watermelon everyday in summer, but that really being

my only vice.....I notice that when I occassionally indulge in wine, then eat

the watermelon, then something else that promotes candida, that's when I

suffer---

the idea is to space things out........I've always endorsed moderation, and if

you want to have something you like, like a piece of cake on an occassion, just

make sure everything else around that for day or two is clean..

[Guest guest]

This has also been my experience. I have been eating some low-sugar fruits

(there is a tangerine tree in my back yard and I peel and eat the whole thing

including the seeds).

I can look back now and honestly say that I was on the strict candida diet for

too long, and no doubt why it stayed systemic for so long and did so much

damage--the candida, after going mycelial, migrated to different body areas

looking for food because I wasn't allowing it to perform its intended function

in its native environment in a balanced way.

Now, after adding back in some fruits (I seem to be good with tangerines,

cherries, rambutans, raspberries, goji berries and a few others--in moderation

of course), I feel much better. The only thing I have to watch is the mold

levels in the fruits. If they are at all moldy, that can cause problems that

make me feel brain-foggy all over again. That's why the tangerines straight

from the tree are so great, there's no mold on those.

I also do Duncan's whey protocol, as needed, when needed according to what my

body calls for. That has really helped a lot.

These days, whenever I go to health practitioner and they knee-jerkingly hand me

a printout of the Standard Candida Diet, I hand it straight back to them. Seems

like a lot of health practitioners, even the holistic ones, still go on

autopilot when they hear the word " candida " .

Alison

> >

> > My apologies for what is most likely a horribly over-posted question, but

when I did a search I came up with 4130 results and, well, I don't have hours to

read through them

> >

> > I love fruit. I could live on fruit. With this diet, however, I've been

told I have to " greatly limit " my fruit. I understand that the low-carb fruits

are ok to limit, but how low-carb? In my research, I have found that the

low-to-mid-carb fruits are the (in order of lowest to highest): avocado, plum,

peach, strawberry, apricot, papaya, orange, raspberry. The higher ones I've

found are the: blackberry, cherry, pineapple, persimmon, blueberry, pear, apple

*sob*, banana *sob more*, fig, grapefruit, and persimmon.

> >

> > I obviously don't have the candidiasis as bad as some, but I do still suffer

when I cheat too much. Can someone clarify which fruits are ok to consume in

moderation?

> >

> > Thank you!!

> > Stacey

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Margret, your candida is related to starch intake as well. It looks like you

didn't know that candida and other pathogens use starches, which bananas are

full of, before they are converted to sugars. Low-carbing includes going easy on

starches.

Duncan

>

> I've had the worst case of candida all my life.....I've been seeing a

nutritionist last couple of years, and before her I knew there was something

wrong, had all the symptoms and diseases, but never connected the

dots.......since her, I've been mostly candida free........

> I find I can eat most any fruit---in MODERATION.......I love, love bananas and

watermelon (in summer)......whereas I used to eat a banana without thinking

about it, now I eat them a little green---not a lot, but before they have any

brown spots on them---it's when they start to get really ripe that they deveop

MORE sugar.......I do eat watermelon everyday in summer, but that really being

my only vice.....I notice that when I occassionally indulge in wine, then eat

the watermelon, then something else that promotes candida, that's when I

suffer---

> the idea is to space things out........I've always endorsed moderation, and if

you want to have something you like, like a piece of cake on an occassion, just

make sure everything else around that for day or two is clean..

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Luiza,

Fruits contain too many natural sugars and they feed candida. This is why they

are not allowed on Bee's program.

Fruit was only intended as a rare summertime treat, but with modern-day farming

and shipping it is now available year-round all around the world.

Fructose is the worst type of sugar for the human body and even healthy people

should limit fruit intake to 2 servings per day or less. Here's an article by

Dr. Mercola that explains it:

http://tinyurl.com/oe5qay

Here is a list of treatments you can do for your vaginal yeast. These will only

help with your symptoms, though. The only way to truly heal the problem is to

continue with Bee's diet + supplements which will heal your body from within by

strengthening your immune system.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/women6.php

I found this article by typing in " Vaginal Treatments " in the search function in

the upper right hand area of Bee's website. That's a good way to find links to

all of Bee's articles!

Good luck!

>

> Hello Bee,

>

> I don't understand why fruits have to be eliminated in your diet,

> you always say what is from nature is good for us.

>

> Other thing, what can I do when the candida starts the overgrowth on vagina?I

started to follow your diet one week ago and I'm suffering now.

> Can you help me?

>

> Luiza

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello Bee,

>

> I don't understand why fruits have to be eliminated in your diet,

> you always say what is from nature is good for us.

+++Hi Luiza. answered your question above.

>

> Other thing, what can I do when the candida starts the overgrowth on

> vagina?I started to follow your diet one week ago and I'm suffering now. Can

you help me?

+++The healing processes aren't easy, since your body creates them in order to

heal itself. The symptoms you are getting are called die-off symptoms - see

this article to understand them better:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal2.php

Please ensure you read two important articles on candida, so you understand

candida, and know what you need to do and why:

1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

For encouragement and inspiration see these wonderful Success Stories by members

of this group: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

Thank`s for your help.Here in Brazil we have many fruits, and we eat

a lot of its every day.

Please, clarifies one thing to me, in the article How to treat

Vaginal Yeast appears 2 topics, one contradicts the other, see below,

1 and 16:

OTHER IMPORTANT RECOMMENDATIONS:

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

> Thank`s for your help.Here in Brazil we have many fruits, and we eat

> a lot of its every day.

+++That's too bad Luiza, since fruits cause a lot of health problems, and feed

candida, bacteria, cancer, etc.

>

> Please, clarifies one thing to me, in the article How to treat

> Vaginal Yeast appears 2 topics, one contradicts the other, see below,

> 1 and 16:

> OTHER IMPORTANT RECOMMENDATIONS:

+++I do not have any article on my website called " How to Treat Vaginal Yeast. "

Here's my article: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/women6.php

Bee

[Guest guest]

does someone know what is the amount of fruits one with candida can have per

day? which fruits are banned? or allowed?

I try to stick to apples, pears, strawberries, apricots, plums etc and avoid

banans, mangoes, cherries and grapes.

thanks for your help

carox

[Guest guest]

First off, there is no banned fruit with me. There is only fruit that you can

tolerate and that will not set off the fungus to much. In my book, you need

fruit and you should eat fruit, especially in the morning.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

________________________________

From: Caroline Croon <carolinecroon@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 4:31:33 PM

Subject: fruits

does someone know what is the amount of fruits one with candida can have per

day? which fruits are banned? or allowed?

I try to stick to apples, pears, strawberries, apricots, plums etc and avoid

banans, mangoes, cherries and grapes.

thanks for your help

carox