+Re: Prebiotics Other Than Inulin?

[Guest guest]

Ok, I am new to this group and new to Candida and its treatment. I am currently

taking Ultimate Flora Critical Care 50 billion probiotics and have been since

Nov. I'm not sure I have noticed a different in how I feel. I have never heard

of prebiotics till joining this group. Are probiotics or prebiotics better to

take? Which is the best brand? How much are they and where can you buy them at?

How long will the results last, and do you have to keep taking them to achieve

results?

Also, is there anything I can do or take to curb my insane chocolate, caffeine,

and sugar cravings? I went 2 days without candy (I still ate sugar in my diet

and caffeine) and then I ate half a bag of mini snickers. I have major

chocolate cravings and I have zero self control. I am used to eating so badly.

I need help!!!

+Re: Prebiotics Other Than Inulin?

I know that. the question was for Dean who says NOW prebiotic has small amounts

of inulin before he started straight out using inulin.. I wasn't clear on what

is " NOW prebiotics. " I am guessing he meant probiotics.

I have tried NOW's inulin many times in the past and always gotten flare up of

candida related symptoms.

greg

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> > > I found the same thing and after about a week it seemed to start

> > > working. I also took the NOW prebiotics which also contain small

> > > amounts of Inulin, so when I was in your position I just used the whey

> > > and NOW prebiotics for about a week, then introduced the raw inulin to

> > > the whey after. Worked much better.

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> > > D

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[Guest guest]

greg,

yes, my appologies. I meant probiotics. NOW Probiotic Defense.

cheers,

D

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> > > > Roy ,

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> > > > I found the same thing and after about a week it seemed to start

> > > > working. I also took the NOW prebiotics which also contain small

> > > > amounts of Inulin, so when I was in your position I just used the whey

> > > > and NOW prebiotics for about a week, then introduced the raw inulin to

> > > > the whey after. Worked much better.

> > > >

> > > > D

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[Guest guest]

I have a request for Greg, the Greg that Duncan is referring to. Would you

please get ahold of me off-line, I have some questions if these comments that

Duncan is talking about are true. I just checked my records and the last Greg

from this group I talked to or sold anything to was last November 11th.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical

system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and

cone cells of the eyes and the DNA.

" The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in

the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of

disease. " Edison

" Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford

" Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. "

Corrie Ten Boom

" Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no

one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937

http://mbsre-set.com

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From: DuncanC <duncancrow@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 4:19:32 PM

Subject: +Re: Prebiotics Other Than Inulin?

, Wil I think recognizes that using prebiotics to alleviate bowel disorders

has been practiced successfully with an inulin broth for 5,000 years in China

and 3,000 in Europe.

The citizens under treatment 3,000-5,000 years ago almost certainly had MORE

SBOs in their diet than we do today, so theoretically they shouldn't have needed

prebiotic treatment because of the SBO presence. But they did, and as we're

aware, pretty reliable results with prebiotics are still occurring today without

using soil organisms.

Soil organisms don;t always work of course, as we saw with Greg on this list,

and I'm still interested to know about any results of this approach from my

listmates, positive or not, to establish validity.

I'm thinking that SBOs may not do much for dysbiosis generally, and although Wil

has claimed his particular SBOs kill candida, the dysbiosis that led to the

candida in Greg's case apparently remained untouched. Similar results from other

SBOs have pretty consistently been reported.

So I suggest that if all else fails go ahead and have SBOs or whatever

alternative approach that might work, but first do the biologically right thing

for at least six months before taking billions of non-native (transient to the

human bowel) SBOs than you'd get naturally even 5,000 years ago.

I agree with Wil that the soil organisms probably won't colonise the gut because

they can't resist the acid environment that your natural probiotics should

create. So if you can help your probiotics create that environment, is it

logical that foreign germs are necessary as well, or do they actually represent

an unknown insult to your natural biology as Gastroenterology Journal articles

point out?

Meanwhile, research shows Crohn's remission, weight loss, and less gut

perforation by simply taking the supplements that a healthy probiotic flourish

produces. I think simply maintaining historic levels of inulin in the diet for

decent probiotic flourish is the key to bowel health.

Nuff said

Duncan

all good,

Duncan

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> That is all fine and dandy, but the soil borne microorganisms that have the

ability to keep the candida in their correct parameters do not colonize. These

transient SBO's are the major factor in the immune and health of the GI tract,

in my opinion. Just concentrating on the feeding the colonizing microorganisms

is not a good idea in the long term which can create an imbalance. Taking

isolated elements to feed the microorganisms with out them being in their whole

food form is not the way the body works. These methods are fine in short term

therapeutic use, but long term use does create potential problems in the long

term.

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> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

> Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical

system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and

cone cells of the eyes and the DNA.

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> " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients

in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of

disease. " Edison

> " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford

> " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its

strength. " Corrie Ten Boom

> " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no

one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937

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> http://mbsre- set.com

> http://environotics .com

> http://beeassist. com

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> From: dieguez.jorge <dieguez.jorge@ ...>

> candidiasis

> Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 11:23:52 PM

> Subject: +Re: Prebiotics Other Than Inulin?

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> After my intensive research about candida, dysbiosis, gut microbiota,

probiotics, gut ecology, and more... I have to say I totally agree with you

Duncan. So far, there isn't any other SIMPLE way to " recover " the gut flora than

feed those which were left alive allowing them to multiply and grow.

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