Guest guest Posted November 5, 2001 Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 Well, now that you explained it THAT way - I'll have to give it a whirl myself! Thanks! Tamra Beckwith <hoticetea@...> wrote: Why do I take it? I'll take ANYTHING that will cure my bad back pain. Turmeric was on the list. Matter of fact, I think I read about it on Dr. D's website. And YES!! I meant good " flying " .... I feel gooood. Kinda like I just had a shot of Tequila. Best Wishes, karen Re: 5HTP > > HI ... > You wrote: " I just finished drinking some TURMERIC tincture, and boy, am I > flying. Hope it's not an avoid. " > What is this? Why do you take it? When you say you are 'flying' is this a good kinda flying?? > Thanks, > Tamra > Beckwith <hoticetea@...> wrote: Ohh ohh. I'm starting to get my lists confused. There are TWO type O > lists. > > Anyway, to whomever (on whichever " O " list) it may concern: > > 5HTP sounds great. > I immediately went out to the HFS to get some, and couldn't FIND it!! They > had NONE whatsoever! > However, they did have Zyflamend, and Ginger Syrup, which I got for my bad > back. I just finished drinking some TURMERIC tincture, and boy, am I > flying. Hope it's not an avoid. > > I heard SAM-e does same thing as 5HTP. Anyonelse heard that? > > Best Wishes, > karen > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 The 50% or so alcohol maybe the reason that you were flying. in any case, turmeric is HB and a very good anti inflammatory. Re: Turmeric Well, now that you explained it THAT way - I'll have to give it a whirl myself! Thanks! Tamra Beckwith <hoticetea@...> wrote: Why do I take it? I'll take ANYTHING that will cure my bad back pain. Turmeric was on the list. Matter of fact, I think I read about it on Dr. D's website. And YES!! I meant good " flying " .... I feel gooood. Kinda like I just had a shot of Tequila. Best Wishes, karen Re: 5HTP > > HI ... > You wrote: " I just finished drinking some TURMERIC tincture, and boy, am I > flying. Hope it's not an avoid. " > What is this? Why do you take it? When you say you are 'flying' is this a good kinda flying?? > Thanks, > Tamra > Beckwith <hoticetea@...> wrote: Ohh ohh. I'm starting to get my lists confused. There are TWO type O > lists. > > Anyway, to whomever (on whichever " O " list) it may concern: > > 5HTP sounds great. > I immediately went out to the HFS to get some, and couldn't FIND it!! They > had NONE whatsoever! > However, they did have Zyflamend, and Ginger Syrup, which I got for my bad > back. I just finished drinking some TURMERIC tincture, and boy, am I > flying. Hope it's not an avoid. > > I heard SAM-e does same thing as 5HTP. Anyonelse heard that? > > Best Wishes, > karen > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 To anyone using Turmeric - - it's great. But I spilled 1/2 the bottle on my kitchen floor. It STAINS. So please be careful . . . karen ps. Yes, , it seems to be a good anti inflammatory. Thanks. Re: 5HTP > > > > > > HI ... > > You wrote: " I just finished drinking some TURMERIC tincture, and boy, > am > I > > flying. Hope it's not an avoid. " > > What is this? Why do you take it? When you say you are 'flying' is > this > a good kinda flying?? > > Thanks, > > Tamra > > Beckwith <hoticetea@...> wrote: Ohh ohh. I'm starting to > get my lists confused. There are TWO type O > > lists. > > > > Anyway, to whomever (on whichever " O " list) it may concern: > > > > 5HTP sounds great. > > I immediately went out to the HFS to get some, and couldn't FIND it!! > They > > had NONE whatsoever! > > However, they did have Zyflamend, and Ginger Syrup, which I got for my > bad > > back. I just finished drinking some TURMERIC tincture, and boy, am I > > flying. Hope it's not an avoid. > > > > I heard SAM-e does same thing as 5HTP. Anyonelse heard that? > > > > Best Wishes, > > karen > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Tumeric comes in Standardized extract CAPSULES. Probably the most effective way to take it. I have not heard many glowing reports about SAM-e, just about the high price. KM --- Beckwith <hoticetea@...> wrote: > To anyone using Turmeric - - it's great. But I > spilled 1/2 the bottle on my > kitchen floor. It STAINS. So please be careful . . > . > karen > ps. Yes, , it seems to be a good anti > inflammatory. Thanks. > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<> <>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > I heard SAM-e does same thing as 5HTP. > Anyonelse heard that? > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > karen > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2001 Report Share Posted November 27, 2001 It seems that in India, where turmeric has been cultivated and used for millennia, they are 'up in arms' as US interests want to PATENT the active ingredient(s) in Turmeric! Can you imagine, it would be like someone trying to patent allicin, which is found naturally in garlic! Absurd! For the past week I have been cooking delicious vegetable curries with lots of turmeric (it's what give the yellow colour to so-called 'saffron' rice) and although I can't attribute it solely to turmeric, I've never felt better. Eat Turmeric!>> Turmeric - Curcuma longa> Other Common Names: Curcumin, Curcuma, Curcuma longa>> Range: Southern Asia. Cultivated in China, Bengal and Java.>> The plant is a large-leaved herb, closely related to ginger. It is> cultivated in tropical countries for the thick, rounded, underground stems> or rhizomes, which constitute the spice, turmeric. Turmeric contains an oil,> which consists in part of curcumin, which on oxidation is changed into> vanillin, the active principle in vanilla. Curcumin is the yellow pigment of> turmeric. Curcumin is the ingredient which gives curry its yellow color.>> Turmeric is the key spice in curry. Curcumin has been used in both the> Indian (Ayurvedic) and Chinese Medicine systems for thousands of years.> Curcumin studies have shown it to possess the following properties:> antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, anti-platelet, cholesterol - lowering> antibacterial and anti-fungal effects. It contains a mixture of powerful> antioxidant phytonutrients known as curcuminoids.>> Turmeric is a mild spice. When curry is hot, that is due to other spices.>> A recent paper listed the curcumin content of turmeric powder as about 0.6> percent.>> Tumeric is a mild aromatic stimulant seldom used in medicine except as a> coloring. It was once a cure for jaundice. It is also used as an adulterant> of mustard (Commercial mustard usually combines white mustard for pungency> with black mustard for aroma, and the yellow color is due to the addition of> turmeric) and a substitute for it and forms one of the ingredients of many> cattle condiments. Tincture of Turmeric is used as a coloring agent, but the> odour is fugitive. It dyes a rich yellow.>> Curcumin shares some of the same effects on the liver as silymarin and> cynarin. It has demonstrated similar liver protection activity to silymarin.> Curcumin is believed to also be converted to a choleretic compound, perhaps> even caffeic acid. Curcumin's documented choleretic effects support its> historical use in treating liver and gallbladder disorders. Like cynara> extracts, curcumin has also been shown to lower cholesterol levels.>> Studies have shown that curcumin inhibits cancer at initiation, promotion> and progression stages of tumor development. Research in Germany and India> shows that curcumin can also help prevent gallbladder disease. Bromelain is> also recommended to aid absorption.>> In March 1993, researchers at Harvard Medical School published results of> laboratory tests of a new method of screening for potential AIDS drugs. They> used genetically engineered cells to test for inhibitors of the "LTR" (long> terminal repeat) sequence in HIV; the LTR is important for viral activation.> The new test found three inhibitors; one of them is curcumin, a chemical> found in the food spice turmeric. It was effective against HIV in both> acutely and chronically infected cells.>> In Trinidad, about 40 percent of the population is of Indian descent, and> uses curry extensively in their diet. Another 40 percent of the population> is of African descent, and seldom uses curry. Several years ago, studies of> AIDS in Trinidad found that persons of African descent were more than 10> times as likely to have the disease as persons of Indian descent.>> One reader of AIDS TREATMENT NEWS started using a turmeric extract with a> very high concentration of curcumin -- about 100 times the concentration in> ordinary turmeric -- which he obtained from a San Francisco health-food> store. A week after he started using it his regularly scheduled blood tests> showed a substantial drop in p24 antigen (a measure of viral activity). This> unexpected change impressed his physician, a leading AIDS specialist in San> Francisco.>> The product he used was supplied in capsules, each containing "300 mg.> turmeric extract concentrated and standardized for a minimum of preferred> 95% curcumin" in a base of whole turmeric, according to the label on the> bottle. He took three capsules three times a day -- about 2.5 grams of> curcumin per day, for a person who weighs about 100 kg. This dose was chosen> arbitrarily; it is considerably greater than the amount of curcumin one> would ordinarily get by eating curry, and we do not know whether or not it> is safe. Even for this large dose the cost was low, about $2 per day retail> in the U. S.>> We mention this single case because it may be the first time that anyone has> taken curcumin as a potential treatment for HIV, and compared viral-activity> measurements before and after starting.>> Curcumin is not soluble in water, and animal tests have found very little of> it in the bloodstream after it is eaten. Therefore, it would seem that this> chemical could not work as an oral drug. But other researchers have reported> much higher absorption -- as much as 60 percent or more. And in laboratory> studies curcumin is often given to animals in the diet, and various effects> are noted.>> This apparent contradiction is resolved by results of animal tests, some> with radioactive curcumin. Much of the radioactivity does reach the blood> and organs, even though the curcumin doesn't -- meaning that the curcumin> must have been changed into something else and absorbed in a different form.> The same team had earlier reported that about 60 percent of the curcumin was> absorbed, since only about 40 percent of the quantity administered was found> remaining in the gut -- although only traces were found in the blood.> Another paper by the same group concluded that "curcumin undergoes> transformation during absorption from the intestine," and noted an> unidentified compound that it was changed into. So the fact that chemists do> not find curcumin in the blood when they look for it does not rule out the> possibility that oral use could have biological effects.>> Curcumin is being studied as an anti-inflammatory, as a possible cancer> inhibitor, and for other potential medical uses. It is a strong> anti-oxidant. A recent search of the Excerpta Medica database found> citations to 149 papers, abstracts, etc. which mention curcumin; the word> "curcumin" appears in the title of 74 of these. A review of some possible> medicinal uses of curcumin was published in 1991.>> Curcumin and turmeric have long been in daily human use, and are believed to> have little toxicity in moderate doses. However, one group found that large> doses caused stomach ulcers in rats. A thorough literature review is needed> before large doses are used.>> The information above is only suggestive, and does not show that curcumin> will have any use in treating AIDS. Most new drug or treatment ideas fail,> after later information shows that they are not useful. For curcumin as for> any new treatment, the odds are that it, too, will be one of the failures.>> But the possibility that curcumin or turmeric might be useful in treating> HIV or AIDS is so important that it must be studied further without delay.> Curcumin is known to be safe, at least in low and moderate doses, and could> be available to everyone. Also, in the laboratory tests it was active> against HIV not only in acutely infected but also in chronically infected> cells -- where the currently approved drugs such as AZT are ineffective.>> The next step in research should be to give a high but safe dose to 10 to 20> people for several weeks, and measure changes in viral activity, either with> the readily available p24 test, or with sophisticated research tests such as> quantitative PCR, or the branched DNA assay. Both natural turmeric and> concentrated curcumin should be tested. If there is a dramatic decrease in> viral activity in people (like that seen in the single case so far), then> this potential treatment will receive plenty of attention. If there is> little or no decrease, then we can forget about curcumin (except as a> possible lead compound for drug development) and move on.>> We do not know of anybody anywhere in the world doing such a study, or> making plans to do so, or otherwise following up on curcumin as a possible> AIDS treatment. This is not unusual; there has never been a serious> institutional effort to test such treatment leads in early human trials.> Medical research is expensive, and requires considerable effort and> resources to make anything happen. Those with the resources -- mainly large> pharmaceutical companies -- have little commercial or professional incentive> to test low-cost, non-proprietary treatments. And government and non-profit> research organizations have usually failed to focus on the critical need for> getting safe, inexpensive treatment possibilities into small but credible> tests for biological activity in humans.>> Turmeric paper is prepared by soaking unglazed white paper in the tincture> and then drying. Used as a test for alkaloids and boric acid.>> See also Goldenseal (Turmeric root).>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> ---->> - T. Murray, N.D. SILYMARIN COMPLEX FOR LIVER DISORDERS published in> "Health World" spring 1987> - S. . Curcumin Update: Could Food Spice Be Low-Cost Antiviral? -> AIDS Treatment News> - Li CJ, Zhang LJ, Dezube BJ, Crumpacker CS, and Pardee AB. Three inhibitors> of type 1 human immunodeficiency virus long terminal repeat-directed gene> expression and virus replication. PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF> SCIENCES, USA. March 1993; volume 90, pages 1839-1842.> - Cleghorn F, Battoo K, C, Balbosa S, Jack N, Blattner W, and> Bartholomew C. Update on the epidemiology of AIDS in Trinidad. International> Conference on AIDS, San Francisco, June 20-23, 1990> - Satoskar RR, Shah SJ, and Shenoy SG. Evaluation of anti-inflammatory> property of curcumin (diferuloyl methane) in patients with postoperative> inflammation. INT. J. CLIN. PHARMACOL. THER. TOXICOL. 1986; volume 24,> number 12, pages 651- 654.> - Nagabhushan M and Bhide SV. Curcumin as an Inhibitor of Cancer. JOURNAL OF> THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF NUTRITION. 1992; volume 11, number 2, pages 192-198.> - Ammon HPT, and Wahl MA. Pharmacology of Curcuma longa. PLANTA MEDICA.> February 1991; volume 57, pages 1-7.Read AIDS-Cured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Hi Sue, We buy bulk organic turmeric and make our own capsules, currently using size " 00 " capsules. Frontiercoop is the source for us. Although we order it through a local store, you can get it online if you want at http://www.frontiercoop.com We don't have any financial connection with Frontiercoop, etc. Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Turmeric did nothing for me i took it for 6 months . best wishes Kath.c. > > Hello, > I just received this report on the benefits of turmeric, especially for > brain problems which we having Myalgic Encephalomyelitis. > " In an article just published (October 2005) in the Journal of > Neuroscience Research, investigators from the University of Missouri > studied the effects of curcumin (the active component of turmeric) against > brain injury. > Du Pre > Website: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html > " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 tumeric has a lower rate of absorption in the gut and does not benefit like curcumin taken orally. Of note is curcumin increases GSH, GABA, blocks glutamate and is a potent antioxidant and anti- inflamatory , reduces cytokines. > > > > Hello, > > I just received this report on the benefits of turmeric, especially for > > brain problems which we having Myalgic Encephalomyelitis. > > " In an article just published (October 2005) in the Journal of > > Neuroscience Research, investigators from the University of Missouri > > studied the effects of curcumin (the active component of turmeric) > against > > brain injury. > > > Du Pre > > Website: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html > > " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 jasonlbreckenridge wrote: > tumeric has a lower rate of absorption in the gut and does not > benefit like curcumin taken orally. According to www.lef.org, even oral curcumin has a low absorption rate. Their product includes Bioperine, an extract from black pepper, to increase the absorption. In people with normal guts, Bioperine is a good absorption aid for lots of supplements and medicines. Unfortunately, for those of us with IBS and/or " leaky gut syndrome " , Bioperine is too irritating. Does anyone know of other ways to increase curcumin absorption? > > > > --- In , " kathcornley " > > > > > Turmeric did nothing for me i took it for 6 months . > > best wishes Kath.c. > > -- el (andreafrankel at sbcglobal dot net) " wake now! Discover that YOU are the song that the morning brings... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 el wrote: > > Does anyone know of other ways to increase curcumin absorption? > , bromelain increases absorption of most supplements. It is included with Quercetin, for example. Vickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I HAD to chime in on this...TURMERIC IS A GODSEND! My dad actually truned me on to this spice about 2 years ago when I had my gall bladder out before I was diagnosed with A. He is into a lot of homeopathic remedies and stuff and suggested I use it. I sprinkle a little on almost everything and never have an issue. Indian food is also one of my favs, and through this process it has never given me issues (depsite the spicyness). I recommed keeping some of this stuff on hand at all times.- -- In achalasia , notan ostrich <notan_ostrich@...> wrote: > > For those that are into alternative ideas here is something based on the > spice turmeric which is often found in curries. > > The fallowing article caught my interest. > > Common Cooking Spice Found In Curry Shows Promise In Combating Diabetes > And Obesity > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080620195436.htm > > The news release, which has been posted on a number sites, does not > mention achalasia. It does mention other disorders that have something > to do with inflammation, which is what got me interested. Doing a search > related to turmeric one can find sites with pages like these from > Medical News Today: > > See: > Google Site Search: medicalnewstoday.com+turmeric > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & q=site% 3Awww.medicalnewstoday.com+turmeric & btnG=Search > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & q=site% 3Awww.medicalnewstoday.com+turmeric & btnG=Search> > > One quickly discovers that the main substance of interest in turmeric is > curcumin. For A PubMed search for curcumin see: > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Curcumin > > Way too much info, but one quickly finds that curcumin has been studied > at some very impressive institutions with some impressive results. It > seems it not only is an anti-inflammatory (including eosinophilic and > macrophagic), it is also an antiviral, anticarcinogenic (with one > caveat), neuroprotective, counters effects from stress and prevents or > reduces scarring, or at least that is what some research suggests. > Sounds like something just made for achalasia, although there are no > studies with it and achalasia or any that suggest its actions would work > in that context even if it has the needed actions in other contexts. It > also sounds too good to be true, but look at what the University of > Texas M. D. Cancer Center says about its other uses: > > http://www.mdanderson.org/departments/cimer/display.cfm?id=b3aa8dbd- 66c3-4a6e-a37c86ad3dce3ec9 & method=displayfull & pn=915cd45e-7c37-4305- 8e778e10de640e0c > <http://www.mdanderson.org/departments/cimer/display.cfm? id=b3aa8dbd-66c3-4a6e-a37c86ad3dce3ec9 & method=displayfull & pn=915cd45e- 7c37-4305-8e778e10de640e0c> > > They don't dismiss the claims and plan on doing more trials of it. > > I doubt this is a cure. We have people in this group from India but > perhaps they don't like Curry or use one without turmeric. Or, maybe you > can't get enough curcumin from diet even in India. It would be > interesting to see if they have the same incidence rate as other > countries but I see nothing to suggest it is lower than other countries. > I would guess that at best this stuff is only going to be of limited > help. Maybe slow down the progression. But I like curry so I can just > smile and hope it is doing something good. Those that have avoided the > surgery and like to self experiment this may be for you. > > Also see: > Wikipedia - Curcumin > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curcumin > > notan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 KG wrote: > I HAD to chime in on this...TURMERIC IS A GODSEND! But it didn't prevent your surgery. Did it help you in any way? I am glad you are doing well after the surgery. Maybe the spice will help prevent scarring for you. notan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 It did not prevent surgery at all, but I found that it aided a lot in digestion and cut down on the spasms when I put it on food as opposed to when I didnt. > > I HAD to chime in on this...TURMERIC IS A GODSEND! > > But it didn't prevent your surgery. Did it help you in any way? > > I am glad you are doing well after the surgery. Maybe the spice will > help prevent scarring for you. > > notan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 One relevant part of this information would be this:- (apoptosis means programmed cell death)  [Curcumin promotes apoptosis of esophageal squamous carcinoma cell lines through inhibition of NF-kappaB signaling pathway.] [Article in Chinese] Tian F, Song M, Xu PR, Liu HT, Xue LX. Department of Pathophysiology, School of Basic Medicine, Zhengzhou University, Zhengzhou, Henan, 450052, P. R. China. xuelx@.... BACKGRAND & OBJECTIVE: Activation of NF-kappaB signaling pathway plays a critical role in the initiation and progression of carcinogenesis. However, the role of NF-kappaB pathway in esophageal squamous cell carcinoma (ESCC) has not been fully elucidated. Studies have shown that curcumin possesses anti-infection and anti-oxidation effects. This study was to evaluate whether curcumin could induce apoptosis through inhibition of NF-kappaB signaling pathway in ESCC cells. METHODS: Expressions of pIkappaBalpha and Bcl-2 were detected using Western blott after incubation of ESCC cells with curcumin (50 mumol/L) at different time points. Apoptosis and the number of viable ESCC cells were analyzed using flow cytometry and MTT, respectively, after the treatment of curcumin, 5-FU, or the combination of curcumin and 5-FU. RESULTS: In two ESCC cell lines, EC9706 and Eca109,curcumin inhibited IkappaBalpha phosphorylation and Bcl-2 in a time-dependent manner; curcumin alone increased cell apoptosis (P<0.05), and the effect became more prominent when it was combined with 5-FU (P<0.05); curcumin plus 5-FU exerted a stronger inhibition effect on cell proliferation than curcumin alone (P<0.05) or 5-FU alone (P<0.05). CONCLUSION: Curcumin inhibits the phosphorylation of IkappaBalpha, leading to suppression of proliferation, induction of apoptosis and an increase of the sensitivity of ESCC cell lines towards 5-FU. PMID: 18570726 [PubMed - in process] From: notan ostrich <notan_ostrich@...> Subject: Turmeric achalasia Date: Saturday, 21 June, 2008, 11:36 PM For those that are into alternative ideas here is something based on the spice turmeric which is often found in curries. The fallowing article caught my interest. Common Cooking Spice Found In Curry Shows Promise In Combating Diabetes And Obesity http://www.scienced aily.com/ releases/ 2008/06/08062019 5436.htm The news release, which has been posted on a number sites, does not mention achalasia. It does mention other disorders that have something to do with inflammation, which is what got me interested. Doing a search related to turmeric one can find sites with pages like these from Medical News Today: See: Google Site Search: medicalnewstoday. com+turmeric http://www.google. com/search? hl=en & q=site% 3Awww.medicalnew stoday.com+ turmeric & btnG=Search <http://www.google. com/search? hl=en & q=site% 3Awww.medicalnew stoday.com+ turmeric & btnG=Search> One quickly discovers that the main substance of interest in turmeric is curcumin. For A PubMed search for curcumin see: http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ pubmed?term= Curcumin Way too much info, but one quickly finds that curcumin has been studied at some very impressive institutions with some impressive results. It seems it not only is an anti-inflammatory (including eosinophilic and macrophagic) , it is also an antiviral, anticarcinogenic (with one caveat), neuroprotective, counters effects from stress and prevents or reduces scarring, or at least that is what some research suggests. Sounds like something just made for achalasia, although there are no studies with it and achalasia or any that suggest its actions would work in that context even if it has the needed actions in other contexts. It also sounds too good to be true, but look at what the University of Texas M. D. Cancer Center says about its other uses: http://www.mdanders on.org/departmen ts/cimer/ display.cfm? id=b3aa8dbd- 66c3-4a6e- a37c86ad3dce3ec9 & method=displayf ull & pn=915cd45e- 7c37-4305- 8e778e10de640e0c <http://www.mdanders on.org/departmen ts/cimer/ display.cfm? id=b3aa8dbd- 66c3-4a6e- a37c86ad3dce3ec9 & method=displayf ull & pn=915cd45e- 7c37-4305- 8e778e10de640e0c> They don't dismiss the claims and plan on doing more trials of it. I doubt this is a cure. We have people in this group from India but perhaps they don't like Curry or use one without turmeric. Or, maybe you can't get enough curcumin from diet even in India. It would be interesting to see if they have the same incidence rate as other countries but I see nothing to suggest it is lower than other countries. I would guess that at best this stuff is only going to be of limited help. Maybe slow down the progression. But I like curry so I can just smile and hope it is doing something good. Those that have avoided the surgery and like to self experiment this may be for you. Also see: Wikipedia - Curcumin http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Curcumin notan __________________________________________________________ Sent from . A Smarter Email http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Ann wrote: > One relevant part of this information would be this:- (apoptosis means programmed cell death) > > [Curcumin promotes apoptosis of esophageal squamous carcinoma cell lines through inhibition of NF-kappaB signaling pathway.] > [Article in Chinese] > Yes, it has shown activity against other cancers too, but this one is important for us. Also relevant to recent discussion its antiviral activity shows effect against herpes. See: Curcumin inhibits herpes simplex virus immediate-early gene expression by a mechanism independent of p300/CBP histone acetyltransferase activity. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18191976 Whether or not herpes is a factor, curcumin is an antiinflammatory. It is thought that inflammation is a factor in the destruction of the esophageal nerves. If it reduces inflammation there that should be good. It is also neuroprotective. That may help it prevent damage to the esophageal nerves. It also reduces or prevents scarring. That should be important to anyone recovering from a myotomy or esophagectomy. However, we don't know how well it does these things for achalasia. notan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 Hi Notan, Do you know how much of this should be taken and in what form? Are you saying that this might help prevent inflammation and prevent damage to the nerves? Orlando, Florida > > One relevant part of this information would be this:- (apoptosis means programmed cell death) > > > > [Curcumin promotes apoptosis of esophageal squamous carcinoma cell lines through inhibition of NF-kappaB signaling pathway.] > > [Article in Chinese] > > > > Yes, it has shown activity against other cancers too, but this one is > important for us. Also relevant to recent discussion its antiviral > activity shows effect against herpes. See: > > Curcumin inhibits herpes simplex virus immediate-early gene expression > by a mechanism independent of p300/CBP histone acetyltransferase activity. > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18191976 > > Whether or not herpes is a factor, curcumin is an antiinflammatory. It > is thought that inflammation is a factor in the destruction of the > esophageal nerves. If it reduces inflammation there that should be good. > > It is also neuroprotective. That may help it prevent damage to the > esophageal nerves. > > It also reduces or prevents scarring. That should be important to anyone > recovering from a myotomy or esophagectomy. > > However, we don't know how well it does these things for achalasia. > > notan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 wrote: > Do you know how much of this should be taken and in what form? Are > you saying that this might help prevent inflammation and prevent > damage to the nerves? > I am unaware of any study done with it for achalasia. So, it is unproven to work at any level for achalasia. If the studies done for other conditions are valid for achalasia too then it should be able to help. That is a big if and as you guessed may depend on the amount used. I have no idea how much would be suggested. I have read that in India they even sell Band-aids that are coated with it. It is suppose to be very safe so if you don't go crazy with it you probably won't do any harm. I am not making any claim that it works. I found the amount of studies impressive and many of the places doing the studies also impressive. So with the actions it is reported to have being things we would want for achalasia, I just wanted to share the info, such as it is. notan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Turmeric is used in every other dish in India. They say it has lot of medicinal value and has a special place in Ayurveda (ancient Indian medical science). I am used to having it all the time in my meals but unfortunately I still got achalasia. But still I would say it is a wonder spice. > > On a cookery programme on TV this morning, the chef made a paste out of groundnut oil and fresh lime juice and turmeric, cumin and ginger and coated pieces of haddock in it then fried them. > He mentioned that he believed that turmeric was used as an antiseptic in India. >  > I thought I would pass this onto the Group as a recipe suggestion, as a way to use turmeric. (reference recent discussion on its anti-inflammatory properties). > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Ann wrote: > ... groundnut oil and fresh lime juice and turmeric, cumin and ginger and coated pieces of haddock in it then fried them.... > Some of the studies have suggested that it is absorbed better when in an oil, so maybe the oils here will help. Maybe not. notan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 ayondatta wrote: > ... I am used to having it all the > time in my meals but unfortunately I still got achalasia. ... Yes, as noted in one of the earlier messages, people in India do get achalasia. It does make one wonder though if the incidence and prevalence rates are typical of other countries. It may also be that for achalasia a diet high in turmeric is not enough of the active ingredient, curcumin. One may have to use curcumin supplements to get enough benefit. KG did say that turmeric seemed to cut down on spasms so even if it doesn't prevent achalasia or the need for surgery it may still have some benefit for us. At least we can hope for the best while enjoying our spices. notan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 " KG did say that turmeric seemed to cut down on spasms so even if it doesn't prevent achalasia or the need for surgery it may still have some benefit for us. " -Very interesting point. I experienced spasm last year a lot when my achalasia symptoms were in initial stages and I was not even aware of it. At that time I was living mostly on junk foods and other western foods with very less turmeric intake. Since last two months my parents are with me and I am having a lot of Indian food with turmeric. I haven't experienced any spasm since then, even after surgery. Only time I felt spasm like excruciating pain was when food got stuck two weeks after surgery and I had to rushed to ER. > > ... I am used to having it all the > > time in my meals but unfortunately I still got achalasia. ... > > Yes, as noted in one of the earlier messages, people in India do get > achalasia. It does make one wonder though if the incidence and > prevalence rates are typical of other countries. It may also be that for > achalasia a diet high in turmeric is not enough of the active > ingredient, curcumin. One may have to use curcumin supplements to get > enough benefit. KG did say that turmeric seemed to cut down on spasms so > even if it doesn't prevent achalasia or the need for surgery it may > still have some benefit for us. At least we can hope for the best while > enjoying our spices. > > notan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Hi Ken, Do you cook with your turmeric or put it in capsules? Can I just mix it with water and drink it? I don't think I can cook with this stuff everyday (it turns my teeth yellow too). Nat [Ken: Usually Capsules -- it is in a lot of Indian food also, and mustard has a small amount] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 You can put it in capsules yourself if you have the patience. It would be fresher that way, and possibly cheaper, too. They sell a little set up at www.mountainroseherbs.com . They also sell the turmeric and the empty capsules. Or turmeric IN capsules. I like the quality of their stuff (the best I've found for purity and freshness), though I haven't tried the turmeric. Turmeric: http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/search/search.php?keywords=turmeric Empty capsules and encapsulation " machine " : http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/tools/encap.html The encapsulation machine is $13, so it's not that much money, if you want to go that route. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Hi All, I was just wondering if anyone here has been using Turmeric in their diet to help in the fight against Candida and for general good Colon health? I have read many good benefits of Turmeric - anti-bacterial, promotes good Colon health, promotes good prostate health, has cancer-fighting properties. Turmeric seems to have so many benefits it would seem wise to add it to our arsenal of good foods/herbs to help combat Candida? Does anyone here have any experience with Turmeric? Thanks, Todd R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 this is not a flippant remark Have you considered a therapist ? A good one can be very helpful Thanks On Feb 3, 2010, at 1:39 PM, sb2boys wrote: > I'm looking for something natural to help my depression. I recently > read that Turmeric helps. Does anyone here take Turmeric for > depression? Has it helped you? What other ailments does Turmeric help? > > Thank you! > > Sue > > > " Some men measure their lives by days and years other by love affairs passions and tears but the truest measure under the Sun is what in life for others have done? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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