Re: Re: Does MMS kill off Lactobacillus species?

[Guest guest]

That reminds me that I read in the People's Pharmacy newspaper column about a

guy who got a fecal probiotic treatment when he was a kid, a really long time

ago...I think in the 1950's or 60's...he'd gotten sick after taking antibiotics,

I don't remember how he was sick...but his doctor looked into it and gave him

the fecal transplant.  I think he may have read about Europeans doing

it.  The patient got better fast.  The writers of the column replied that

fecal transplants are the most effective way to replace flora, but no one wants

to do it cause it sounds so gross.  This was a few months ago.  Maybe they

have a website with their columns if anyone's interested.

From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

Subject: Re: Does MMS kill off Lactobacillus species?

candidiasis

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 3:28 PM

 

No, you can take all the oral probiotics in this world and you won't get the

colonies back. Probiotics are transcients and only implant the gut temporary.

There isn't proved way to re-colonize the gut. Some people are trying human

feacal transplant to see if they get results.

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> Hi. I'm new to this group.

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> I've been taking over 50 billion strains of probiotics per day, including

Lactobacillus species, but no Lactobacillus showed up on my stool test. I would

like to re-establish it in my gut flora.

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> I've been taking MMS to keep bad bacteria under control. Citrobacter freundii

showed up at low levels, but it can get pathogenic if it continues to grow.

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> I'm just wondering if the MMS keeps me from establishing Lactobacillus in my

gut.

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> Thanks in advance for any advice.

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[Guest guest]

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All probiotics are not transient. The majority of soil borne organisms are

transient, meaning non-colonizing.

Lactobacillus, Streptoccus and Biffobacterium strains are all colonizing,

non-transient, microorganisms in the human GI tract.

There are several ways to get these microorganisms into the GI tract. You can

take them in supplemental form, consuming foods like Kombucha tea, yogurts,

kefirs and other cultured foods.

MMS does kill of the pathogenic microorganisms. MMS does not kill the

microorganisms that are in balance.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

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From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 4:28:13 PM

Subject: Re: Does MMS kill off Lactobacillus species?

No, you can take all the oral probiotics in this world and you won't get the

colonies back. Probiotics are transcients and only implant the gut temporary.

There isn't proved way to re-colonize the gut. Some people are trying human

feacal transplant to see if they get results.

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> Hi. I'm new to this group.

>

> I've been taking over 50 billion strains of probiotics per day, including

Lactobacillus species, but no Lactobacillus showed up on my stool test. I would

like to re-establish it in my gut flora.

>

> I've been taking MMS to keep bad bacteria under control. Citrobacter freundii

showed up at low levels, but it can get pathogenic if it continues to grow.

>

> I'm just wondering if the MMS keeps me from establishing Lactobacillus in my

gut.

>

> Thanks in advance for any advice.

>

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[Guest guest]

Will you just look at what you are saying here for a moment, ?

First thing is the word " permanently " , which I did not say. The emotional state

of the host has a huge part of the colonizing ability of probiotics. As one is

in a state of doubt, fear, stress of most any kind the ph changes, the hormone

production changes and the blood flow effect the survival of the probiotics.

Secondly, you are looking at the stool sample for your conclusion. If your body

is balanced and not in need of more colonies and you are taking a probiotic

supplement, of course you will see them in the stool. Your body does not need

them so they pass on out. So it would make sense to me then after not taking

them the stool sample would show them not there. The other factor is colonizing

probiotics create mostly lactic acid. Is your stool tests measuring

microorganisms or the byproduct of the microorganism?

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

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From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 8:59:33 PM

Subject: Re: Does MMS kill off Lactobacillus species?

Wil,

Bring only one proof that oral probiotics colonize the intestine permanently. I

have participated in discussions about this topic many times in several candida

forums. LGG, L. Reuteri, L. Plantarum V-299 have shown to colonize the gut

temporary. As soon you stop the intake, they disappear from the feces and can

not be recover by small intestinal biopsies. There isn't any real evidence

probiotics implant in the gut forever at least in humans. They last 15 or 20

more days after stop the intake. Permanent colonization hasn't been demostrated.

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> > I've been taking over 50 billion strains of probiotics per day, including

Lactobacillus species, but no Lactobacillus showed up on my stool test. I would

like to re-establish it in my gut flora.

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> > I've been taking MMS to keep bad bacteria under control. Citrobacter

freundii showed up at low levels, but it can get pathogenic if it continues to

grow.

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> > I'm just wondering if the MMS keeps me from establishing Lactobacillus in my

gut.

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> > Thanks in advance for any advice.

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[Guest guest]

Well, let me know how it goes.

From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

Subject: Re: Does MMS kill off Lactobacillus species?

candidiasis

Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 10:47 PM

 

Yes, there are several places around the world where you can get a faecal

transplant. Australia, UK , and some places in US. This has been used to treat

C. Difficile in the large bowel. Since candida overgrowth in the small bowel, it

needs to be done by the nose. They give you a PPI to neutralize the stomach acid

and sometimes antibiotics. A poo shake could be a great idea if you are brave

enough. Mixed with chocolate could be great. I haven't tried yet, but I am

almost ready.

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> > I've been taking over 50 billion strains of probiotics per day, including

Lactobacillus species, but no Lactobacillus showed up on my stool test. I would

like to re-establish it in my gut flora.

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> > I've been taking MMS to keep bad bacteria under control. Citrobacter

freundii showed up at low levels, but it can get pathogenic if it continues to

grow.

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> > I'm just wondering if the MMS keeps me from establishing Lactobacillus in my

gut.

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> > Thanks in advance for any advice.

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[Guest guest]

; In reply to your quest----Fecal transplants work satisfactorally but the

The biggest drawback is that you will be infected by every bacteria that the

doner may carry. so be very careful who you select for a fecal doner.

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> > That reminds me that I read in the People's Pharmacy newspaper column

about a guy who got a fecal probiotic treatment when he was a kid, a really long

time ago...I think in the 1950's or 60's...he'd gotten sick after taking

antibiotics, I don't remember how he was sick...but his doctor looked into it

andÃ, gave him the fecal transplant. Ã, I think he may have read about

Europeans doing it.Ã, Ã, The patient got better fast.Ã, The writers of the

column replied that fecal transplantsÃ, are the most effective way to replace

flora, but no one wants to do it cause it sounds so gross.Ã, This was a few

months ago.Ã, Maybe they have a website with their columnsÃ, if anyone's

interested.

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