Re: Health Canada Bans MMS for internal use

[Guest guest]

Duncan:

I have a pretty lengthy post from a person using it and below is just part of

it. I wish I could share it all, but the important info. regarding Chlorine is

there. I think that there is a misconception about MMS. Real MMS as I understand

from many users is not the same thing as regular chlorine.

Atwood

http://www.traditionalcook.com

The substance is regularly referred to online by

many as " MMS " which

unfortunately stands for " Miracle Mineral Solution " . It is not a

" mineral " ,

but the effects for some can be nearly miraculous. Unfortunately, again,

the word " miracle " in reference to any product typically smacks of

hucksterism. The truth is, though, that no one out there is really making

that much money with this. A year's supply can cost about $20.

The approach utilizes a solution of sodium chlorite carefully mixed with

citric acid (lemon and/or lime juice works, as well). The ensuing chemical

reaction takes about 3 minutes and produces something called chlorine

dioxide. -As toxic and noxious as this sounds, I assure you it is NOT the

same thing as regular chlorine and-if used properly-cannot harm you. No one

has ever died using this stuff-despite some of the boneheaded ways I've read

about people's experimenting with it.

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Health Canada Bans MMS for internal use

Coconut Oil

Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 2:58 PM

Health Canada has banned a bleach product, MMS, as a safety hazard because

people have been following a wave of enthusiasm that promoter Jim Humble started

and were dosing with it.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/_2010/2010_74-eng.php

Like many health professionals I've been warning people to NOT use this chlorine

solution for years because it drops off am molecule of reactive chlorine in your

cell with every molecule of oxygen it delivers. Chlorine is a known carcinogen

that is also associated with heart disease and general biological impairment.

There have always been safe alternatives such as ozone and hydrogen peroxide,

neither of which contain chlorine and both oxygenate the body. Calozon and

Homozon are superior oxygen/peroxide products that do not contain chlorine. You

can get Homozon from my friend Donna Crow at excellentthings.net.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Dr. Pressman's point is that the chlorine in MMS is a carcinogen and it's not

shown where it goes when it's released in the cell along with the oxygen. That's

a pretty direct delivery of a toxic substance so he points out safer options. I

realize MMS is cheap and that's about it's only saving grace. There are safer

options.

Jim Humble spoke to me on the phone and couldn't make the sale

all good,

Duncan

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> From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

> Subject: Health Canada Bans MMS for internal use

> Coconut Oil

> Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 2:58 PM

>

> Health Canada has banned a bleach product, MMS, as a safety hazard because

people have been following a wave of enthusiasm that promoter Jim Humble started

and were dosing with it.

>

> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/_2010/2010_74-eng.php

>

> Like many health professionals I've been warning people to NOT use this

chlorine solution for years because it drops off am molecule of reactive

chlorine in your cell with every molecule of oxygen it delivers. Chlorine is a

known carcinogen that is also associated with heart disease and general

biological impairment.

>

> There have always been safe alternatives such as ozone and hydrogen peroxide,

neither of which contain chlorine and both oxygenate the body. Calozon and

Homozon are superior oxygen/peroxide products that do not contain chlorine. You

can get Homozon from my friend Donna Crow at excellentthings.net.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

I'm really surprised I'm making this my debut saying anything here. I got on

this mailing list somehow without even intending while looking at the forum site

I guess. Anyhow greetings. , 25, American living in Bangkok. I've been

using coconut oil fairly consistently for the last year.

I've also been using MMS off and on. Healthwise I'm in real good shape. I'm a

yoga teacher with better than average diet., but I'm a type who is prone to skin

problems, especially when I was younger.

Anyhow again... when I am using coconut oil on my skin, or when I am trying the

MMS again I seem to have a similar reaction. It is the only reaction typically

(loose bowels a few times, but not bad) and consist of red/clear small bumps.

With the CO it's where I've applied. With MMS they appear either on my chest,

shoulders, or arms. Look exactly the same as far as I can tell.

I have had MMS pull me out of being sick once so rapidly that it's hard to

believe it could have been anything else. 2 hours after ingestion I went from

racked with pain/shivers/headache to laughing about how sick I was before.

Just offering some experiences for thought and introducing myself. I'll start

making myself present more often and offer some nice recipes with coconut!

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 11:04:25 AM

Subject: Re: Health Canada Bans MMS for internal use

Dr. Pressman's point is that the chlorine in MMS is a carcinogen and it's not

shown where it goes when it's released in the cell along with the oxygen. That's

a pretty direct delivery of a toxic substance so he points out safer options. I

realize MMS is cheap and that's about it's only saving grace. There are safer

options.

Jim Humble spoke to me on the phone and couldn't make the sale

all good,

Duncan

>

> From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

> Subject: Health Canada Bans MMS for internal use

> Coconut Oil

> Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 2:58 PM

>

> Health Canada has banned a bleach product, MMS, as a safety hazard because

people have been following a wave of enthusiasm that promoter Jim Humble started

and were dosing with it.

>

> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/_2010/2010_74-eng.php

>

> Like many health professionals I've been warning people to NOT use this

chlorine solution for years because it drops off am molecule of reactive

chlorine in your cell with every molecule of oxygen it delivers. Chlorine is a

known carcinogen that is also associated with heart disease and general

biological impairment.

>

> There have always been safe alternatives such as ozone and hydrogen peroxide,

neither of which contain chlorine and both oxygenate the body. Calozon and

Homozon are superior oxygen/peroxide products that do not contain chlorine. You

can get Homozon from my friend Donna Crow at excellentthings.net.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

After reading the statement " it is NOT the same thing as regular

chlorine " , I went to google to look for " chlorine dioxide safety

handling " . Below are a few snippets pertaining to accidental

exposure or ingestion of chlorine dioxide.

Alobar

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Health Hazards

Chlorine dioxide is a severe respiratory and eye irritant in humans.

It is harmful if swallowed or inhaled. Inhalation may cause irritation

of the mucous membranes and respiratory tract. Symptoms may include

coughing, wheezing, and severe breathing difficulties which may be

delayed in onset. Pulmonary edema is common following severe exposure.

http://www.oxy.com/Our_Businesses/chemicals/Documents/sodium_chlorite/technicalD\

ata/Chlorine%20Dioxide%20Health%20and%20Safety.pdf

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

HEALTH HAZARD INFORMATION

* Routes of Exposure

Exposure to chlorine dioxide can occur through inhalation, ingestion,

and eye or skin contact [sittig 1991, p. 379].

* Summary of toxicology

1. Effects on Animals: Chlorine dioxide is a severe respiratory and

eye irritant in experimental animals. The oral LD(50) in rats is 292

mg/kg [NIOSH 1995]. Delayed deaths have occurred in animals exposed to

150 to 200 ppm for less than 1 hour. Rats exposed to 10 ppm daily died

after 10 to 13 days of exposure; effects seen were nasal and ocular

discharge and difficult breathing. A postmortem examination revealed

purulent bronchitis [Hathaway et al. 1991]. Rats exposed to ppm of

chlorine dioxide for 5 hours daily for 10 weeks did not exhibit any

abnormal reactions [ACGIH 1991]. Chlorine dioxide dissolves in water

to produce chlorate and chlorite ions. Chlorite has been shown to

produce methemoglobin in rats and cats [Gosselin

Effects on Humans: Chlorine dioxide is a severe respiratory and eye

irritant in humans. Inhalation can produce coughing, wheezing,

respiratory distress, and congestion in the lungs [Patnaik 1992].

Irritating effects in humans was intense at concentration levels of 5

ppm. Accidental exposure at 19 ppm of the gas inside a bleach tank

resulted in the death of one worker (time of exposure is not

specified) [ACGIH 1991]. Workers exposed for 5 years to average

chlorine dioxide concentrations below 0.1 ppm but with excursions to

higher concentrations had symptoms of eye and throat irritation, nasal

discharge, cough, and wheezing; on bronchoscopy, bronchitis was

observed in seven of the 12 workers [Clayton and Clayton 1982].

Concentrations of 0.25 ppm and less have been reported to worsen mild

respiratory ailments [ACGIH 1991].

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/chlorinedioxide/recognition.html

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Atwood <naturespharma@...> wrote:

> Duncan:

> I have a pretty lengthy post from a person using it and below is just part of

it. I wish I could share it all, but the important info. regarding Chlorine is

there. I think that there is a misconception about MMS. Real MMS as I understand

from many users is not the same thing as regular chlorine.

>

> Atwood

> http://www.traditionalcook.com

>

>

>

> The substance is regularly referred to online by

> many as " MMS " which

>

> unfortunately stands for " Miracle Mineral Solution " . It is not a

> " mineral " ,

>

> but the effects for some can be nearly miraculous. Unfortunately, again,

>

> the word " miracle " in reference to any product typically smacks of

>

> hucksterism. The truth is, though, that no one out there is really making

>

> that much money with this. A year's supply can cost about $20.

>

>

>

> The approach utilizes a solution of sodium chlorite carefully mixed with

>

> citric acid (lemon and/or lime juice works, as well). The ensuing chemical

>

> reaction takes about 3 minutes and produces something called chlorine

>

> dioxide. -As toxic and noxious as this sounds, I assure you it is NOT the

>

> same thing as regular chlorine and-if used properly-cannot harm you. No one

>

> has ever died using this stuff-despite some of the boneheaded ways I've read

>

> about people's experimenting with it.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

> Subject: Health Canada Bans MMS for internal use

> Coconut Oil

> Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 2:58 PM

>

> Health Canada has banned a bleach product, MMS, as a safety hazard because

people have been following a wave of enthusiasm that promoter Jim Humble started

and were dosing with it.

>

> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/_2010/2010_74-eng.php

>

> Like many health professionals I've been warning people to NOT use this

chlorine solution for years because it drops off am molecule of reactive

chlorine in your cell with every molecule of oxygen it delivers. Chlorine is a

known carcinogen that is also associated with heart disease and general

biological impairment.

>

> There have always been safe alternatives such as ozone and hydrogen peroxide,

neither of which contain chlorine and both oxygenate the body. Calozon and

Homozon are superior oxygen/peroxide products that do not contain chlorine. You

can get Homozon from my friend Donna Crow at excellentthings.net.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

MMS is not a bleach product, but anyway.

MMS has become like the illegal ear candle and vitamin C in the EU. The

industrial world can not make money on it and it works. So the industrial

regulators ban the use of it and the negative propaganda machine goes into

action.

I am so thankful you brought this article to the group, Duncan.

You will be hearing a lot more natural thing being outlawed in the near future.

Like the medicinal use of hemp has been hidden for along time and science

research of today is showing what the ancients have know for millenia.

I have heard directly from Jim Humble there has been over 3 million people on

the planet that have used MMS and no one has died or injured from MMS. I have

known clients and customers that have used MMS and gotten severe die-off or

healing traumas, but no deaths or injury.

Thanks again Duncan,

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 10:58:21 AM

Subject: Health Canada Bans MMS for internal use

Health Canada has banned a bleach product, MMS, as a safety hazard because

people have been following a wave of enthusiasm that promoter Jim Humble started

and were dosing with it.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/_2010/2010_74-eng.php

Like many health professionals I've been warning people to NOT use this chlorine

solution for years because it drops off am molecule of reactive chlorine in your

cell with every molecule of oxygen it delivers. Chlorine is a known carcinogen

that is also associated with heart disease and general biological impairment.

There have always been safe alternatives such as ozone and hydrogen peroxide,

neither of which contain chlorine and both oxygenate the body. Calozon and

Homozon are superior oxygen/peroxide products that do not contain chlorine. You

can get Homozon from my friend Donna Crow at excellentthings.net.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Wil, Health Canada has cited safety reasons. Maybe the stuff wasn't food grade.

Too bad some wag decided to call it a supplement OR a miracle. Unforunate choice

of terms IMO. Kinda like a claim isn't it, and claims as we know make it

classifiable as a drug or pesticide and subject to that unwelcome scrutiny.

Duncan

>

> MMS is not a bleach product, but anyway.

[Guest guest]

MMS is NOT a chlorine solution, but a powerful, harmless pathogen warrior.

While there are many books available on the subject, I will quote from one

written by Jim Humble himself called " Breakthrough The Miracle Mineral

Supplement of the 21st Century " . On page 29, paragraph 3 it states, " Let me

mention now that the chlorine I smelled was actually chlorine in the air

above the solution, but there was no chlorine in the solution. I discovered

that what is in the solution is Chlorine Dioxide which is much different

than chlorine. " Further , on page 223, " Formula for Chlorine Dioxide: ClO2.

.. . . The O2 is two oxygen ions with a charge of two electrons each. That is

considered minus two (-2) because electrons have a negative charge. Oxygen

ions at this charge cannot oxidize anything and thus are not available to

the body for oxidization. The Cl stands for chlorine which is a chlorine ion

in this case with a positive charge until it oxidizes and destroys something

in which case it winds up with a negative charge as well. It then is a

chloride which is the same as chloride in table salt. It cannot do further

reactions. "

Additionally, on page 106, " To understand MMS one must understand Chlorine

Dioxide as that is what is generated and what does the job in the body. . .

.. .It is used in paper mills to bleach the paper white . . .in cloth mills

to bleach cloth. Probably the most important use is to purify water and

thousands of water purification systems utilize Chlorine Dioxide throughout

the world. . . .it is selective for pathogens and other bioorganisms . . .

it does NOT combine with hundreds of constituents with which free chlorine

will combine. "

I would add here that peroxide is also used to bleach things and is quite

safe for consumption if correctly used.

Continuing, on page 184 begins a list of associated independent articles

with references to the safe uses and advantages of using Chlorine Dioxide.

The rest of the book is full of valuable information regarding the many and

varied, documented, safe uses of MMS. A good read.

Delanne (a heretofor silent observer)

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 10:58 AM

candidiasis

Subject: Health Canada Bans MMS for internal use

Health Canada has banned a bleach product, MMS, as a safety hazard because

people have been following a wave of enthusiasm that promoter Jim Humble

started and were dosing with it.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/_2010/2010_74-eng.php

Like many health professionals I've been warning people to NOT use this

chlorine solution for years because it drops off am molecule of reactive

chlorine in your cell with every molecule of oxygen it delivers. Chlorine is

a known carcinogen that is also associated with heart disease and general

biological impairment.

There have always been safe alternatives such as ozone and hydrogen

peroxide, neither of which contain chlorine and both oxygenate the body.

Calozon and Homozon are superior oxygen/peroxide products that do not

contain chlorine. You can get Homozon from my friend Donna Crow at

excellentthings.net.

all good,

Duncan