weight gain

[Guest guest]

>

> ****   Hi Christie, , Sara and those that are having weight gain

>

> I am very discouraged indeed to be gaining this weight. I can see and feel the

fat coming around my stomach, pelvic area, arms and legs (like a whale) and I

don't like it at all. I worked VERY hard to lose weight  back in 2000 and am

very proud of my accomplishments and keeping it off for 9 yrs and now this. 

Like you guys, I used to brag to my friend's and tell them how good a diet I was

following and how healthy it was and we would not gain weight on this diet.  NOT

SO and we proof of that. But now my friend's are looking at me like who are you

kidding about your diet when you have a pot belly growing there and fat coming

all over my body  .... makes me look like a fool  LOL.  ANd as all tell me, it

makes sense and is a proven fact to lose weight you have to cut back on the fats

especially in your diet and here are we eating all this fat. No wonder we're

gaining weight.

+++Hi Madonna. It absolutely is " not a proven fact " that to lose weight you

have to cut back on fats!!! Eating " good " fats actually helps you lose weight,

and also allows fat to be released and utilized as energy.

+++It's carbs that make your body create body fat, mainly because carbs are

glucose which increases insulin production. It's mainly insulin that causes fat

to accumulate, since it does not allow the body to utilize good fats as a source

of energy.

+++To lose body fat you need to change your body over from running on

carbs/glucose to running on fatty acids so your body " will " utilize its body fat

as a source of energy.

+++I'm reading Bad Calories, Good Calories by Taube and he certainly proves

that all of the hype about fatty acids causing the body to create body fat is

totally false!!

> My doctor asked me when I was there last week for my annual Pap what type of

diet I was following. I then told her about all the fats I eat and immediately

she told me the weight gain is from all the fat. She simply could not

believe the amount of fat I eat.  And it makes sense, all this fat we

consume has to go somewhere as we can't burn off all that. We consume a very

high amount of calories in fat.

+++Your body naturally throws off any fatty acids it doesn't need. 

>

> I'm going to cut back on my fat to maybe half or less of what I take now that

is for sure as I don't want this weight gain and don't feel good at all like

this.

+++If you do that you will not be getting the benefits of this program, and you

will not progress like other people. But of course that is your choice, since

you tend to believe " what doctors say " and all of the false information about

fat.

> Vanity of no vanity I just don't like it and it is NOT HEALTY. The slimmer and

leaner our bodies are the better it is for all our heart and  all organs

etc.  What's the sense to think we are eating healthy and gaining weight which

is NOT healthy at all as anyone will tell you weight gain is not healthy. 

That's why I have been a non believer so to speak that this thing of " eat fats

lose weight "  makes no sense and now there's proof with all of us gaining weight.

+++That is not proof that eating these fats is causing you all to gain weight!

That idea is so far from the truth it makes me sick. If good fats made a person

gain weight I wouldn't be so slim, weighing 133 lbs. at 5 " 6 " since I consume a

very high " good " fats diet too.

> If I continue the way I'm going now I'll be back to my weight of 2000 before I

know it.

+++That is very possible, since your body needs to retrace all of the changes it

went through in order to correct and heal itself.

+++When I started on the high fat diet my body also got quite heavy/fat so that

I had to wear a size 16, instead of a size 10. At one point I had 3 sizes of

clothes since my weight was going up and down (size 12, 14 & 16), yet when

everything settled down I'm a slim size 10.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Madonna,

>

> You shouldn't give up hope just yet. I think you, like me, are probably

'retracing'. I was pretty chubby for quite a few years, so I think it only

stands to reason that I would gain some of it back while healing.

>

> Hi Ladies

Don't let your vanity win out. Stay on the road and your bodies will balance.

I'm sure that seeing weight come back on is discouraging and it's only temporary

if you are eating the good stuff. You are worried what other will think and now

some doctors are concerned. Don't worry about what others think and if doctors

knew all, their patients wouldn't keep dying. This is a test, to test your

resolve.

Neal

[Guest guest]

> >

> > ****   Hi Christie, , Sara and those that are having weight gain

> >

> > I am very discouraged indeed to be gaining this weight. I can see and feel

the fat coming around my stomach, pelvic area, arms and legs (like a whale) and

I don't like it at all. I worked VERY hard to lose weight  back in 2000 and am

very proud of my accomplishments and keeping it off for 9 yrs and now this. 

Like you guys, I used to brag to my friend's and tell them how good a diet I was

following and how healthy it was and we would not gain weight on this diet.  NOT

SO and we proof of that. But now my friend's are looking at me like who are you

kidding about your diet when you have a pot belly growing there and fat coming

all over my body  .... makes me look like a fool  LOL.  ANd as all tell me, it

makes sense and is a proven fact to lose weight you have to cut back on the fats

especially in your diet and here are we eating all this fat. No wonder we're

gaining weight.

>

> +++Hi Madonna. It absolutely is " not a proven fact " that to lose weight you

have to cut back on fats!!! Eating " good " fats actually helps you lose weight,

and also allows fat to be released and utilized as energy.

>

> +++It's carbs that make your body create body fat, mainly because carbs are

glucose which increases insulin production. It's mainly insulin that causes fat

to accumulate, since it does not allow the body to utilize good fats as a source

of energy.

>

> +++To lose body fat you need to change your body over from running on

carbs/glucose to running on fatty acids so your body " will " utilize its body fat

as a source of energy.

> +++That is very possible, since your body needs to retrace all of the changes

it went through in order to correct and heal itself.

>

> +++When I started on the high fat diet my body also got quite heavy/fat so

that I had to wear a size 16, instead of a size 10. At one point I had 3 sizes

of clothes since my weight was going up and down (size 12, 14 & 16), yet when

everything settled down I'm a slim size 10.

>

> Bee

****Hi - just thought I would add a comment about weight since I have also been

struggling with this.

A couple of years ago I did a very strict candida diet very similar to Bee's (I

like Bee's better) and lost a lot of weight - actually got too thin! I was

feeling very good though, but then got back into some bad eating habits (a

slippery slope). Candida and weight came back!

Started Bee's program - initally lost some weight - but then stopped - for

months. But I guess the good news was that I didn't gain - just stayed at the

same weight (still need to lose more). The last couple of months I will go down

a couple of pounds then up a pound or two - frustrating for sure. But - I am

feeling a lot better, and I know that my body is healing - I can feel it working

to heal (sounds strange but I really can) so I try to concentrate on that and

not the weight - some days I do better at this than others.

I know that is really hard to do when you just want the weight to go away and

when other people can cut out the foods that we do and lose weight so easily -

but it is the candida - and it unfortunately takes time.

So - blame it on the candida (not the fat) - stay on the program and your body

will do what it is suppose to do.

>

[Guest guest]

i am beginning to shrink after initial weight gain. my body was so

greedy to eat fat that i ate a lot. plus i think there was a switch

over period, my body needed to get used to processing the fat and until

it could, it felt it needed more food. now i am more satisfied and not

eating as much.

[Guest guest]

Hello Madonna,

Reread all of Bee's documents on fats to confirm how the good fats are needed by

your body especially in eliminating toxins!

Also, I think I've read where Bee states that your body will create fat to keep

toxins away from your vital organs. While you are going through die off, this

very well may be the case. Just know your body is healing if you are not

cheating.

My husband and I have been on the diet now for 7 months. He still struggles

with cheats and I cheat once in a while. While we had both lost weight before

the diet, we have lost more since being on the diet and we are not always

consistant with eating the amount of fat we should eat. In fact when we don't

get enough fat, we are still hungry.

There are times when the scale goes up but it always comes back down. Hang in

there! Don't give up.

[ ] Re: weight gain

>

> **** Hi Christie, , Sara and those that are having weight gain

>

> I am very discouraged indeed to be gaining this weight. I can see and feel

the fat coming around my stomach, pelvic area, arms and legs (like a whale) and

I don't like it at all. I worked VERY hard to lose weight back in 2000 and am

very proud of my accomplishments and keeping it off for 9 yrs and now this.

Like you guys, I used to brag to my friend's and tell them how good a diet I was

following and how healthy it was and we would not gain weight on this diet. NOT

SO and we proof of that. But now my friend's are looking at me like who are you

kidding about your diet when you have a pot belly growing there and fat coming

all over my body .... makes me look like a fool LOL. ANd as all tell me, it

makes sense and is a proven fact to lose weight you have to cut back on the fats

especially in your diet and here are we eating all this fat. No wonder we're

gaining weight.

+++Hi Madonna. It absolutely is " not a proven fact " that to lose weight you

have to cut back on fats!!! Eating " good " fats actually helps you lose weight,

and also allows fat to be released and utilized as energy.

+++It's carbs that make your body create body fat, mainly because carbs are

glucose which increases insulin production. It's mainly insulin that causes fat

to accumulate, since it does not allow the body to utilize good fats as a source

of energy.

+++To lose body fat you need to change your body over from running on

carbs/glucose to running on fatty acids so your body " will " utilize its body fat

as a source of energy.

+++I'm reading Bad Calories, Good Calories by Taube and he certainly

proves that all of the hype about fatty acids causing the body to create body

fat is totally false!!

> My doctor asked me when I was there last week for my annual Pap what type of

diet I was following. I then told her about all the fats I eat and immediately

she told me the weight gain is from all the fat. She simply could not believe

the amount of fat I eat. And it makes sense, all this fat we consume has to go

somewhere as we can't burn off all that. We consume a very high amount of

calories in fat.

+++Your body naturally throws off any fatty acids it doesn't need.

>

> I'm going to cut back on my fat to maybe half or less of what I take now

that is for sure as I don't want this weight gain and don't feel good at all

like this.

+++If you do that you will not be getting the benefits of this program, and

you will not progress like other people. But of course that is your choice,

since you tend to believe " what doctors say " and all of the false information

about fat.

> Vanity of no vanity I just don't like it and it is NOT HEALTY. The slimmer

and leaner our bodies are the better it is for all our heart and all organs

etc. What's the sense to think we are eating healthy and gaining weight which

is NOT healthy at all as anyone will tell you weight gain is not healthy.

That's why I have been a non believer so to speak that this thing of " eat fats

lose weight " makes no sense and now there's proof with all of us gaining weight.

+++That is not proof that eating these fats is causing you all to gain weight!

That idea is so far from the truth it makes me sick. If good fats made a person

gain weight I wouldn't be so slim, weighing 133 lbs. at 5 " 6 " since I consume a

very high " good " fats diet too.

> If I continue the way I'm going now I'll be back to my weight of 2000 before

I know it.

+++That is very possible, since your body needs to retrace all of the changes

it went through in order to correct and heal itself.

+++When I started on the high fat diet my body also got quite heavy/fat so

that I had to wear a size 16, instead of a size 10. At one point I had 3 sizes

of clothes since my weight was going up and down (size 12, 14 & 16), yet when

everything settled down I'm a slim size 10.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thank you for your encouraging words .....

I understand good fats may be good for us but from what I've read they should

not make us gain weight but it seems for some of us it has.  We are always told

that if we take in more calories than we burn off then naturally we will gain

weight and fat. Well with all the calories we take in with all the fat it's

impossible for us to burn all that so I assume it gets stored on our bodies as

fat hense the weight gain. I know when I lost over 75 lbs in 2000, I changed my

diet, exercised and really reduced the fats big time and the weight just came

off.

I don't know what it is but I can see myself getting bigger each week and my

weight is increasing. My tummy is getting bigger and has a more fat even my arms

and legs. Like one of the other members wrote, I have fat pouches on my thighs

too and it seems I've lost muscle even tho I do quite a bit of working out. Can

you believe this, several months ago, a lump came out on my upper arm, looked

like another shoulder joint sort of so I went to see the doctor to see what his

thoughts were. He sent me for an ultrasound and it turned out to be  a fat pad

LOL of all things. The doctor said to watch it and if it continues to get bigger

they will do surgery and take it out. And I have another one sort of like that

on my lower leg. I'm assuming it could be coming from all the fat I'm consuming,

just know I never had anything like that before.

I'm not cheating and stick to the diet religiously. My only cheats were these

few lattes but nothing more.  My weight was staying very stable at 121/122

lbs up until a few weeks ago. Whatever happened at that time I have no idea.

take care

madonna

________________________________

Hello Madonna,

Reread all of Bee's documents on fats to confirm how the good fats are needed by

your body especially in eliminating toxins!

Also, I think I've read where Bee states that your body will create fat to keep

toxins away from your vital organs.  While you are going through die off, this

very well may be the case.  Just know your body is healing if you are not

cheating.

My husband and I have been on the diet now for 7 months.  He still struggles

with cheats and I cheat once in a while.  While we had both lost weight before

the diet, we have lost more since being on the diet and we are not always

consistant with eating the amount of fat we should eat.    In fact when we don't

get enough fat, we are still hungry. 

There are times when the scale goes up but it always comes back down.  Hang in

there!  Don't give up.

   

/

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> Hi

>

> Thank you for your encouraging words .....

>

> I understand good fats may be good for us but from what I've read they should

not make us gain weight but it seems for some of us it has.  We are always told

that if we take in more calories than we burn off then naturally we will gain

weight and fat. Well with all the calories we take in with all the fat it's

impossible for us to burn all that so I assume it gets stored on our bodies as

fat hense the weight gain. I know when I lost over 75 lbs in 2000, I changed my

diet, exercised and really reduced the fats big time and the weight just came

off.

>

> I don't know what it is but I can see myself getting bigger each week and my

weight is increasing. My tummy is getting bigger and has a more fat even my arms

and legs. Like one of the other members wrote, I have fat pouches on my thighs

too and it seems I've lost muscle even tho I do quite a bit of working out. Can

you believe this, several months ago, a lump came out on my upper arm, looked

like another shoulder joint sort of so I went to see the doctor to see what his

thoughts were. He sent me for an ultrasound and it turned out to be  a fat pad

LOL of all things. The doctor said to watch it and if it continues to get bigger

they will do surgery and take it out. And I have another one sort of like that

on my lower leg. I'm assuming it could be coming from all the fat I'm consuming,

just know I never had anything like that before.

>

> I'm not cheating and stick to the diet religiously. My only cheats were these

few lattes but nothing more.  My weight was staying very stable at 121/122

lbs up until a few weeks ago. Whatever happened at that time I have no idea.

>

>

> take care

> madonna

>

> ________________________________

> Hello Madonna,

>

> Reread all of Bee's documents on fats to confirm how the good fats are needed

by your body especially in eliminating toxins!

>

> Also, I think I've read where Bee states that your body will create fat to

keep toxins away from your vital organs.  While you are going through die off,

this very well may be the case.  Just know your body is healing if you are not

cheating.

>

> My husband and I have been on the diet now for 7 months.  He still struggles

with cheats and I cheat once in a while.  While we had both lost weight before

the diet, we have lost more since being on the diet and we are not always

consistant with eating the amount of fat we should eat.    In fact when we don't

get enough fat, we are still hungry. 

>

> There are times when the scale goes up but it always comes back down.  Hang in

there!  Don't give up.

>

>

>

>    

>

> /

>

>

[Guest guest]

Madonna,

I feel for you. It can be a bit shocking to have things like this happen.

Believe me, my friend Ann and I have had lots of unusual healing symptoms!! I

really wonder if your body is creating fat to protect your vital organs from

toxins in the midst of die off and it's possibly retracing your previous weight

issues. Could be a combination. When I have unusual things happen, I

reevaluate everything based on the principles Bee has laid out. Half the battle

is believing the correct information and not waivering by going back to what you

were once taught. When you waiver, you doubt and worry.

Since it's only been a couple of weeks, I say hang in there. Reread Bee's

articles on fat to renew your mind with the facts she has given us.

What other die off symptoms are you having? Are you taking all of the

supplements correctly? How much are you working out?

Re: [ ] Re: weight gain

Hi

Thank you for your encouraging words .....

I understand good fats may be good for us but from what I've read they should

not make us gain weight but it seems for some of us it has. We are always told

that if we take in more calories than we burn off then naturally we will gain

weight and fat. Well with all the calories we take in with all the fat it's

impossible for us to burn all that so I assume it gets stored on our bodies as

fat hense the weight gain. I know when I lost over 75 lbs in 2000, I changed my

diet, exercised and really reduced the fats big time and the weight just came

off.

I don't know what it is but I can see myself getting bigger each week and my

weight is increasing. My tummy is getting bigger and has a more fat even my arms

and legs. Like one of the other members wrote, I have fat pouches on my thighs

too and it seems I've lost muscle even tho I do quite a bit of working out. Can

you believe this, several months ago, a lump came out on my upper arm, looked

like another shoulder joint sort of so I went to see the doctor to see what his

thoughts were. He sent me for an ultrasound and it turned out to be a fat pad

LOL of all things. The doctor said to watch it and if it continues to get bigger

they will do surgery and take it out. And I have another one sort of like that

on my lower leg. I'm assuming it could be coming from all the fat I'm consuming,

just know I never had anything like that before.

I'm not cheating and stick to the diet religiously. My only cheats were these

few lattes but nothing more. My weight was staying very stable at 121/122 lbs

up until a few weeks ago. Whatever happened at that time I have no idea.

take care

madonna

________________________________

Hello Madonna,

Reread all of Bee's documents on fats to confirm how the good fats are needed

by your body especially in eliminating toxins!

Also, I think I've read where Bee states that your body will create fat to

keep toxins away from your vital organs. While you are going through die off,

this very well may be the case. Just know your body is healing if you are not

cheating.

My husband and I have been on the diet now for 7 months. He still struggles

with cheats and I cheat once in a while. While we had both lost weight before

the diet, we have lost more since being on the diet and we are not always

consistant with eating the amount of fat we should eat. In fact when we don't

get enough fat, we are still hungry.

There are times when the scale goes up but it always comes back down. Hang in

there! Don't give up.

/

[Guest guest]

>>

> I understand good fats may be good for us but from what I've read they should

not make us gain weight but it seems for some of us it has.  We are always told

that if we take in more calories than we burn off then naturally we will gain

weight and fat.

+++Hi Maddy. Don't believe what you hear and read about that, since gaining

weight has nothing to do calories and burning them off, and even exercising

doesn't help people lose weight,

What IS important is the " kind of " calories. This is so very well researched

and documented in Good Calories, Bad Calories by Taube (available at

Chapters) and it is based upon medical studies that doctors, nutritionists, etc.

ignored when they created current theories on weight gain, etc.

Bee

[Guest guest]

*** Thanks Bee ....  You know what I think is happening ... I have never been

able to use fitday as it just would never let me log in. So of course I took my

best guess and did the best I could.  Yesterday I had to create a new email

address and finally it let me.

Now I see that I have been way off for proteins.

I need 63 grams protein, 158-200 grams fat and 51 grams carbs. I added the foods

that I will have for today and it will be carbs -39, fat - 200 and protein 60

but I won't be eating very much food for that much. I included my CLO, CO and

margarine. But I was probably getting too much fats before too as I did not

realize there is fat in many vegetables, just steamed.   How are people

increasing carbs but keeping the protein and fat to where I need it. Once I

increase the carbs, the fat and protein also increase ,...  yikessss LOL   It

just seems 60 grams of protein is not much for the whole day as there is 25

grams in only 4 eggs.

Yes, I agree Bee the kind of calories does matter for sure .....

madonna

+++Hi Maddy.  Don't believe what you hear and read about that, since gaining

weight has nothing to do calories and burning them off, and even exercising

doesn't help people lose weight,

What IS important is the " kind of " calories.  This is so very well researched

and documented in Good Calories, Bad Calories by Taube (available at

Chapters) and it is based upon medical studies that doctors, nutritionists, etc.

ignored when they created current theories on weight gain, etc.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> *** Thanks Bee ....  You know what I think is happening ... I have never been

able to use fitday as it just would never let me log in. So of course I took my

best guess and did the best I could.  Yesterday I had to create a new email

address and finally it let me.

> Now I see that I have been way off for proteins.

>

> I need 63 grams protein, 158-200 grams fat and 51 grams carbs. I added the

foods that I will have for today and it will be carbs -39, fat - 200 and protein

60 but I won't be eating very much food for that much. I included my CLO, CO and

margarine. But I was probably getting too much fats before too as I did not

realize there is fat in many vegetables, just steamed.   How are people

increasing carbs but keeping the protein and fat to where I need it. Once I

increase the carbs, the fat and protein also increase ,...  yikessss LOL   It

just seems 60 grams of protein is not much for the whole day as there is 25

grams in only 4 eggs.

+++No Madonna. You were not getting too many fats! That's ridiculous. I

suggest you lower your carbs to .5 times protein grams instead of being

concerned about your fat intake.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi

Yes, I take all the supplements correctly and are not having any die off

symptoms at all. Actually, I feel great other than my clothes getting so tight

LOL

I walk an hour of really fast brisk walking daily and have been doing that for

years now.

 I work out with weights and situps etc around 3 or so times a week. It just

seems my body is getting flabby and not building muscle like it use to.

As I was telling Bee, I was not using fitday to calculate my ratios because it

would never let me in there by yesterday I created a new address and it seems to

work now. Maybe I was getting too many carbs or something as I calculated what I

thought was close.  From what I've calculated now using fitday it's seems it's

not much food that we can consume in a day. 63 grams of protein is not very much

since there are 30 grams in 1 can of tuna and I sometimes take a can to work

with homemade mayo.

What is your typical day meal planner?  Just curious how you or others are

achieving this.

thanks   ..... have  a nice day

Madonna

________________________________

Since it's only been a couple of weeks, I say hang in there.  Reread Bee's

articles on fat to renew your mind with the facts she has given us. 

What other die off symptoms are you having?  Are you taking all of the

supplements correctly?  How much are you working out?

[Guest guest]

Hi Madonna,

You mentioned the following " I included my CLO, CO and margarine " . Did you mean

" margarine " or did you mean butter? Margarine is definitely not allowed and

will cause weight problems.

Since you have no die off at all and if you are not consuming margarine, I'm

thinking your weight gain is your die off/retracing symptom. Regarding losing

muscle, if you mean they have shrunk, I wonder if your muscles were inflamed

with toxins and now the toxins are on there way out.

After you mentioned excess fat pouches on the back of your legs, I now realize

it's is happening to me as well on and off.

Bee's right that exercise (meaning vigorous) does not help. My hubby and I

spend a summer vigorously riding our bikes without changing our previous diet

and I only lost 2 pounds.

How much time have you spent thoroughly reading Bee's documents on fats? Bee's

documentation does state that your body gets rid of any excess good fat you

consume. When you originally lost 75 pounds, did you cut back on your carbs

and sugars too?

How long have you been on Bee's diet? How much coconut oil are you taking a

day? Are you up to the maximum? If so, are you taking oil of oregano?

I've been on the diet for 7 months. Too much die off when taking coconut oil so

I'm not taking it yet. I don't rebound now due to die off fatigue. I eat 2

sunny side up eggs in the morning, with some type of meat with fat and plenty of

melted butter. I eat some type of meat and veggie at lunch with melted butter

and the same at dinner. Meat and veggies are also cooked in lard as well. For

a snack once in a while, I do egg's Egg Smoothie without the water and one less

egg and all butter. I do snack on walnuts. Not sure exactly how much fat I'm

getting. I just know when I'm hungry, I didn't get enough fat! =)

Re: [ ] Re: weight gain

Hi

Yes, I take all the supplements correctly and are not having any die off

symptoms at all. Actually, I feel great other than my clothes getting so tight

LOL

I walk an hour of really fast brisk walking daily and have been doing that for

years now.

I work out with weights and situps etc around 3 or so times a week. It just

seems my body is getting flabby and not building muscle like it use to.

As I was telling Bee, I was not using fitday to calculate my ratios because it

would never let me in there by yesterday I created a new address and it seems to

work now. Maybe I was getting too many carbs or something as I calculated what I

thought was close. From what I've calculated now using fitday it's seems it's

not much food that we can consume in a day. 63 grams of protein is not very much

since there are 30 grams in 1 can of tuna and I sometimes take a can to work

with homemade mayo.

What is your typical day meal planner? Just curious how you or others are

achieving this.

thanks ..... have a nice day

Madonna

________________________________

Since it's only been a couple of weeks, I say hang in there. Reread Bee's

articles on fat to renew your mind with the facts she has given us.

What other die off symptoms are you having? Are you taking all of the

supplements correctly? How much are you working out?

[Guest guest]

I just want to chime in on this as well. Bee says below that calories in and

out are not necessarily the key to weight management. I have definitely found

that to be true in my case. When I was in my twenties, I could eat anything and

everything and not gain weight. I ate sugar and was a vegetarian eating tons of

carbs and hardly any fat or protein. I drank wine, I smoked cigarettes (which

do seem to affect the adrenal system adversely, even if they don't get absorbed

as food does). I never gained weight.

But I also was wrecking my health at this time. My slimness was not an

indication that I was a healthy person, it was more reflective of my

malnourishment and hormonal issues, I now realize.

Now, I am eating the healthiest (really healthiest) I have ever eaten in my life

and one of my issues is that I am still maybe 35 lbs heavier than my ideal.

Yes, I have cut out so many sugars and carbs. But, I think my body has not

healed enough to shed the body fat yet. That's around the corner.

My point is: if it was as simple as calories in = weight gain, then I would have

blown up in my twenties (I didn't exercise much, I never felt I needed to,

LOL!). The way I understand it now, my slimness was probably a combination of

hyperthyroid activity (I have Hashimoto's) and my body still having reserves to

handle toxicity, and my metabolism still operating in a different way. And in

my case, my slimness (which I thought was attractive) was also an indication of

malnourishment, but I didn't know that then.

I think we can be slim and healthy, but we can also be slim and unhealthy... and

I was the latter.

How many of us have suddenly had a change in our weight coincide with getting

into the thirties or having kids? I think that perhaps our weight is more of a

reflection of how our hormonal systems are operating... and this is affected by

our diet. I started gaining weight on my old diet when I hit my thirties and I

wasn't eating any more calories than I had been. In fact, I started to exercise

and lower my calories at that time. But it didn't help.

And why are there so many weightloss diets that don't work for people? Cuz

they are all focused on this concept of low calories in equals weightloss. They

totally ignore the hormonal health and immune system health part. I'm starting

to think this whole idea of calories=weight is another one of those concepts of

partial science that have been sold to the public because it makes a profit and

not because it's really what the body does. (Like the " cholesterol theory " or

" fat=fat theory " or " meat is bad for you theory " ... there are tons of false

health concepts out there that we all have to sift through.

So the idea that what your calories (or food really ) is made from is more

important to consider than the amount you eat makes sense to me.

I think we will get there with our weight goals. But we will have to heal as

the body needs to heal... and it may take us through die-off/healing

reactions/weight gain and loss/ retracing, etc before we come out the other

side.

I'm looking forward to the other side with all my heart, but I'm not there yet.

Bless us all, we will get there.

Marissa

> > I understand good fats may be good for us but from what I've read they

should not make us gain weight but it seems for some of us it has.  We are

always told that if we take in more calories than we burn off then naturally we

will gain weight and fat.

>

> +++Hi Maddy. Don't believe what you hear and read about that, since gaining

weight has nothing to do calories and burning them off, and even exercising

doesn't help people lose weight,

>

> What IS important is the " kind of " calories. This is so very well researched

and documented in Good Calories, Bad Calories by Taube (available at

Chapters) and it is based upon medical studies that doctors, nutritionists, etc.

ignored when they created current theories on weight gain, etc.

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

****Marissa - I was the same way in my twenties and thirties.

What is interesting is that I have a friend who eats absolutely no fat at all

(good or bad) and has not for quite a few years. Eats primarily fruits,

vegetables and skinless chicken breasts - and she is always hungry. Now, she is

very slender (use to be overweight) - but she is starting to look like a prune

(wrinkles). I try to encourage her to eat good fats - but she will not - she is

so afraid of gaining weight.

I know we will lose the weight eventually and we wont have the wrinkles!

>

> I just want to chime in on this as well. Bee says below that calories in and

out are not necessarily the key to weight management. I have definitely found

that to be true in my case. When I was in my twenties, I could eat anything and

everything and not gain weight. I ate sugar and was a vegetarian eating tons of

carbs and hardly any fat or protein. I drank wine, I smoked cigarettes (which

do seem to affect the adrenal system adversely, even if they don't get absorbed

as food does). I never gained weight.

>

> But I also was wrecking my health at this time. My slimness was not an

indication that I was a healthy person, it was more reflective of my

malnourishment and hormonal issues, I now realize.

>

> Now, I am eating the healthiest (really healthiest) I have ever eaten in my

life and one of my issues is that I am still maybe 35 lbs heavier than my ideal.

Yes, I have cut out so many sugars and carbs. But, I think my body has not

healed enough to shed the body fat yet. That's around the corner.

>

> My point is: if it was as simple as calories in = weight gain, then I would

have blown up in my twenties (I didn't exercise much, I never felt I needed to,

LOL!). The way I understand it now, my slimness was probably a combination of

hyperthyroid activity (I have Hashimoto's) and my body still having reserves to

handle toxicity, and my metabolism still operating in a different way. And in

my case, my slimness (which I thought was attractive) was also an indication of

malnourishment, but I didn't know that then.

>

> I think we can be slim and healthy, but we can also be slim and unhealthy...

and I was the latter.

>

> How many of us have suddenly had a change in our weight coincide with getting

into the thirties or having kids? I think that perhaps our weight is more of a

reflection of how our hormonal systems are operating... and this is affected by

our diet. I started gaining weight on my old diet when I hit my thirties and I

wasn't eating any more calories than I had been. In fact, I started to exercise

and lower my calories at that time. But it didn't help.

>

> And why are there so many weightloss diets that don't work for people? Cuz

they are all focused on this concept of low calories in equals weightloss. They

totally ignore the hormonal health and immune system health part. I'm starting

to think this whole idea of calories=weight is another one of those concepts of

partial science that have been sold to the public because it makes a profit and

not because it's really what the body does. (Like the " cholesterol theory " or

" fat=fat theory " or " meat is bad for you theory " ... there are tons of false

health concepts out there that we all have to sift through.

>

> So the idea that what your calories (or food really ) is made from is more

important to consider than the amount you eat makes sense to me.

>

> I think we will get there with our weight goals. But we will have to heal as

the body needs to heal... and it may take us through die-off/healing

reactions/weight gain and loss/ retracing, etc before we come out the other

side.

>

> I'm looking forward to the other side with all my heart, but I'm not there

yet.

>

> Bless us all, we will get there.

>

> Marissa

>

> > > I understand good fats may be good for us but from what I've read they

should not make us gain weight but it seems for some of us it has.  We are

always told that if we take in more calories than we burn off then naturally we

will gain weight and fat.

> >

> > +++Hi Maddy. Don't believe what you hear and read about that, since gaining

weight has nothing to do calories and burning them off, and even exercising

doesn't help people lose weight,

> >

> > What IS important is the " kind of " calories. This is so very well

researched and documented in Good Calories, Bad Calories by Taube

(available at Chapters) and it is based upon medical studies that doctors,

nutritionists, etc. ignored when they created current theories on weight gain,

etc.

> >

> > Bee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

***   Hi

Opps  did I say margarine LOL I haven't eaten margarine for 15 or more years. I

eat butter only.

I've read all of Bee's documents on fats along with many others on line.  I've

been on this diet for over a year now.

When I lost the 75+ lbs I did not stop carbs totally, had bread but only whole

grains and whole grain cereal, brown rice etc. in minimal amounts. Nothing made

from white flour at  at all.  I have never eaten much sugar and have controlled

my sweets. I did cut out the fatty meats and poulty; ate lots of lean chicken,

fish and a little very lean meat and pork and really watched my fat intake.

I take 6 tablespoons CO a day, 2 tablespoon butter and 3 tbsp CLO a day. So that

(212 grms fat)  pretty much gives me my full intake of fat for the day plus what

I get from the protein that I have.  The fat from protein has to be included as

well from what I understand. I was gererously putting CO and butter on all my

veggies after they were cooked and not thinking that I had maybe fried some

chicken in butter as well.

I don't take oil of oregano but do take ginger on a daily basis as it is very

antifungal.

Madonna

How much time have you spent thoroughly reading Bee's documents on fats? Bee's

documentation does state that your body gets rid of any excess good fat you

consume.  When you originally lost 75 pounds, did you cut back on your carbs and

sugars too? 

How long have you been on Bee's diet?  How much coconut oil are you taking a

day?  Are you up to the maximum?  If so, are you taking oil of oregano?

  ________________________________

[Guest guest]

That is interesting about the wrinkles, .

I too have always been slim. I was always pretty active and my family on both

sides are also mostly slender. But now looking back on the problems that I had

that began accumulating, culminating in my desire to start this diet, I can

conclude that for a long time, I was actually NOT healthy.

When I first went on the diet I had diarrhea for weeks. The weight just

disappeared off me. I didn't think I had any to spare! It was quite

frightening to me seeing myself in the mirror. This is just a perspective to

consider for those of you who feel unhappy with how much you are gaining... your

body at least has a place to put the toxins to keep you safe! Mine didn't have

any mechanisms for that. My family was this | | close to ganging up on me and

collectively force-feeding me rice...

andra

>

> ****Marissa - I was the same way in my twenties and thirties.

>

> What is interesting is that I have a friend who eats absolutely no fat at all

(good or bad) and has not for quite a few years. Eats primarily fruits,

vegetables and skinless chicken breasts - and she is always hungry. Now, she is

very slender (use to be overweight) - but she is starting to look like a prune

(wrinkles). I try to encourage her to eat good fats - but she will not - she is

so afraid of gaining weight.

>

> I know we will lose the weight eventually and we wont have the wrinkles!

>

>

[Guest guest]

****andra - Well, the fats on this program are so good for the body - both

inside and out - and have a positive impact on the skin.

It is interesting in reading the posts how people's bodies respond differently -

I have not had diarrhea - a little constipation (regular now). I would think

that for you, the diarrhea, while certainly unpleasant, was your body's way of

getting rid of the toxins - which was a good thing. Our bodies are amazing in

the ways that they will try to heal if we let them and give them what they need

to heal. I believe that if we learn to listen to our bodies they will tell us

what we need and when - that goes for food, exercise, ect.

Hope you are doing well -

>

> That is interesting about the wrinkles, .

>

> I too have always been slim. I was always pretty active and my family on both

sides are also mostly slender. But now looking back on the problems that I had

that began accumulating, culminating in my desire to start this diet, I can

conclude that for a long time, I was actually NOT healthy.

>

> When I first went on the diet I had diarrhea for weeks. The weight just

disappeared off me. I didn't think I had any to spare! It was quite

frightening to me seeing myself in the mirror. This is just a perspective to

consider for those of you who feel unhappy with how much you are gaining... your

body at least has a place to put the toxins to keep you safe! Mine didn't have

any mechanisms for that. My family was this | | close to ganging up on me and

collectively force-feeding me rice...

>

> andra

>

> >

> > ****Marissa - I was the same way in my twenties and thirties.

> >

> > What is interesting is that I have a friend who eats absolutely no fat at

all (good or bad) and has not for quite a few years. Eats primarily fruits,

vegetables and skinless chicken breasts - and she is always hungry. Now, she is

very slender (use to be overweight) - but she is starting to look like a prune

(wrinkles). I try to encourage her to eat good fats - but she will not - she is

so afraid of gaining weight.

> >

> > I know we will lose the weight eventually and we wont have the wrinkles!

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Madonna,

How much weight have you gained and over what period of time?

>

> ***   Hi

>

> Opps  did I say margarine LOL I haven't eaten margarine for 15 or more years.

I eat butter only.

> I've read all of Bee's documents on fats along with many others on line.  I've

been on this diet for over a year now.

>

> When I lost the 75+ lbs I did not stop carbs totally, had bread but only whole

grains and whole grain cereal, brown rice etc. in minimal amounts. Nothing made

from white flour at  at all.  I have never eaten much sugar and have controlled

my sweets. I did cut out the fatty meats and poulty; ate lots of lean chicken,

fish and a little very lean meat and pork and really watched my fat intake.

>

> I take 6 tablespoons CO a day, 2 tablespoon butter and 3 tbsp CLO a day. So

that (212 grms fat)  pretty much gives me my full intake of fat for the day plus

what I get from the protein that I have.  The fat from protein has to be

included as well from what I understand. I was gererously putting CO and butter

on all my veggies after they were cooked and not thinking that I had maybe fried

some chicken in butter as well.

>

> I don't take oil of oregano but do take ginger on a daily basis as it is very

antifungal.

>

> Madonna

>

>

>

> How much time have you spent thoroughly reading Bee's documents on fats? Bee's

documentation does state that your body gets rid of any excess good fat you

consume.  When you originally lost 75 pounds, did you cut back on your carbs and

sugars too? 

>

> How long have you been on Bee's diet?  How much coconut oil are you taking a

day?  Are you up to the maximum?  If so, are you taking oil of oregano?

>

>

>

>

>   ________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,everyone,

I just wanted to add to the conversation about weight gain. I, too, gained

weight quickly on this diet and put on about 10 pounds in about a month. After

reading Eat Fat, Lose Fat by Enig and Sally Fallon I learned that

monounsaturated oils contribute to weight gain. They quote a study published in

the 1994 Lancet where the researchers found the fatty acid most prominent in fat

tissue was monounsaturated. This is why they caution against eating too many

nuts or olive oil if one is trying to lose weight. Conversely, it makes sense

that one would want to eat more of these if they need to add weight. I have

restricted my intake on nuts and have lost almost of the weight I initially

gained.

[Guest guest]

I had forgotten until I saw this post, but I too began to gain weight when I was

eating sunflower and pumpkin seeds and walnuts. So, even thought it is exciting

to eat pancakes and breads made of these foods, I decided it wasn't worth it

because my weight kept inching up. We're only talking a few pounds here, because

I took action pretty quickly. I lost most of what I had gained, but not all, and

it has been stable since then.

H.

After reading Eat Fat, Lose Fat by Enig and Sally Fallon I learned that

monounsaturated oils contribute to weight gain. They quote a study published in

the 1994 Lancet where the researchers found the fatty acid most prominent in fat

tissue was monounsaturated. This is why they caution against eating too many

nuts or olive oil if one is trying to lose weight.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> *** Hi

>

> Maybe it was the olive oil that contributed to my weight gain as I gained over

8 lbs in less than 2 weeks. I was taking home made mayo to work  quite often, 2

tablespoons, made with olive oil and CO.  I was dipping my chicken or fish in

it.

+++Hi Madonna. I doubt that is the problem since that isn't very much olive

oil, but you can experiment with it and see.

Instead make the mayonnaise with 1/2 coconut oil:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe156.php

Bee

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bee ....  that is how I make the mayo, 1/2 CO and 1/2 olive oil ... it's

sure good but maybe too good  LOL

I staying away from olive oil for a while and see what happens however it gets

dificult as I'm away at work all day and the only thing I can eat is  salad and

protein therefore I need something for my salad. I was taking 2 tablespoons of

olive oil but have stopped that now so the salad is pretty boring and tasteless.

madonna

+++Hi Madonna.  I doubt that is the problem since that isn't very much olive

oil, but you can experiment with it and see.

Instead make the mayonnaise with 1/2 coconut oil:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe156.php

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> Thanks Bee ....  that is how I make the mayo, 1/2 CO and 1/2 olive oil ...

it's sure good but maybe too good  LOL

>

> I staying away from olive oil for a while and see what happens however it gets

dificult as I'm away at work all day and the only thing I can eat is  salad and

protein therefore I need something for my salad. I was taking 2 tablespoons of

olive oil but have stopped that now so the salad is pretty boring and tasteless.

+++I don't think the olive oil is causing you to gain weight, since the amount

you are getting is very little.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I have been on the program for almost nine months. I have found that extra

virgin olive oil and butter/ghee will both cause an increase in my weight. I

seem to do much better sticking to coconut oil and my body just loves meat fats

and is not as quick to gain weight with these so long as I don't overdo it.

>

+++Hi . That is interesting since my 76 year old Aunt increased her

butter intake significantly and lost a lot of weight.

Also, there are nutrients in butter not found in coconut oil, so it is very

important to consume both.

All the best, Bee