+Re: Prebiotics Other Than Inulin?

[Guest guest]

Since reading cautions on SBOs in the Gastroenterology Journal and finding many

people who do not respond to soil organisms such as Greg, I wil skip that

transient approach thank you and go to the permanent effects part where the

transients are outcompeted by natural bacteria anyway.

I agree with inulin foods and I urge people to look at the inulin content of

common foods, eat more onions, garlic, chicory, leeks, dandelion, burdock,

murnong, yacon, elecampagne and jerusalem artichoke.

But I think most won't hit the optimal 15 grams or so easily though so I also

favour adding a little inulin to any nutritionally dense meal. It goes down well

and it's pretty reliable, with 5,000 years of continuous practice for that

reason. Normally elecampagne or Jerusalem artichoke slurries were used, 40%

inulin by dry weight.

all good,

Duncan

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> That is all fine and dandy, but the soil borne microorganisms that have the

ability to keep the candida in their correct parameters do not colonize. These

transient SBO's are the major factor in the immune and health of the GI tract,

in my opinion. Just concentrating on the feeding the colonizing microorganisms

is not a good idea in the long term which can create an imbalance. Taking

isolated elements to feed the microorganisms with out them being in their whole

food form is not the way the body works. These methods are fine in short term

therapeutic use, but long term use does create potential problems in the long

term.

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> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

> Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical

system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and

cone cells of the eyes and the DNA.

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> " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients

in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of

disease. " Edison

> " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford

> " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its

strength. " Corrie Ten Boom

> " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no

one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937

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> http://mbsre-set.com

> http://environotics.com

> http://beeassist.com

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> From: dieguez.jorge <dieguez.jorge@...>

> candidiasis

> Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 11:23:52 PM

> Subject: +Re: Prebiotics Other Than Inulin?

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> After my intensive research about candida, dysbiosis, gut microbiota,

probiotics, gut ecology, and more... I have to say I totally agree with you

Duncan. So far, there isn't any other SIMPLE way to " recover " the gut flora than

feed those which were left alive allowing them to multiply and grow.

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[Guest guest]

Duncan,

You would be advised to keep your little comments like this one " I had hoped

Wil's quick cure would do anything at all for you but it didn't either " from

this group, please. I do not claim any quick fix in my words or in any of my

documents. In regards to Greg, I have sold products to many people and if you

have not taken the time to have a consultation and fill out my intake forms to

get a grasp on my clinical views than I will not take responsibility for peoples

issues. It takes follow thru and when people just buy things with out looking

at the whole picture, it raises the risk of failure.

Thank you.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical

system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and

cone cells of the eyes and the DNA.

" The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in

the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of

disease. " Edison

" Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford

" Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. "

Corrie Ten Boom

" Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no

one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937

http://mbsre-set..com

http://environotics.com

http://beeassist.com

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From: DuncanC <duncancrow@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 12:34:56 PM

Subject: +Re: Prebiotics Other Than Inulin?

Greg, you've hosted an unknown probably infectious disease for awhile and it is

tough to eradicate, but that long road you're on personally doesn't invalidate

inulin or prebiotics generally. 95% respond well to it, and the other 5% take

longer, sometimes much longer, and sometimes need other approaches..

I had hoped Wil's quick cure would do anything at all for you but it didn't

either. Standard treatment would be antibiotics followed by synbiotics as I

said, but I'd use the synbiotics the whole time as well.

all good,

Duncan

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> > , while probiotics taken orally are not a requirement for probiotic

flourish in the gut, prebiotics that keep them viable in decent numbers are.

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> > If you take a probiotic in an attempt to make the process faster, make sure

it has several strains of bifidobacteria in it because that's the most powerful

probiotic and lactobacilli have a hard time maintaining a favourable ecology

compared to bifidobacteria. Prebiotics are described in terms of being

bifidogenic for this reason.

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> > Inulin is the best prebiotic IMO because it also feeds the fewest pathogens.

Inulins from several common sources are functionally equivalent and natural,

" native " inulins contain some sugar that can be removed to yield a more

long-chain product. Most people do OK with " native " inulin though and the

highest inulin-containing foods are usually well tolerated too.

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> > My inulin page contains a purchase point and many inulin references

including a table of inulin content of a few foods, about a week of reading and

learning curve altogether

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> > http://tinyurl. com/inulins

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> > The thing to watch for online is mal-information, or less of an issue,

simple uninformed opinion, on this subject. Give more weight to the data than to

myths, give your prebiotic program a fair trial, even 2 years, and meanwhile

compare your personal experiences with those of many others on this particular

list and you'll be fine.

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> > all good,

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> > Duncan

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