Re: Re: ThreeLac experience

[Guest guest]

I find threelac helpful but I used diet along with the threelac from the start.

So I did diet, then antifungals (several different kinds - I found oregano oil

the most helpful but it's pretty stinky), then probiotics (several different

kinds including threelac which I liked the best).

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

Group: curingcandida/

----- Original Message ----

> From: shelbyla1022

> Hi. I usually don't post here but...

>

> A couple of years ago, I first ran across ideas about systemic candida and was

> directed to a site that promoted Threelac. Being sceptical, I bought enough

> Threelac and Oxygen Elements to get me through about 3 months. I took them as

> directed and saw absolutely NO improvement to my symptoms.

>

> Fast forward a year or so...I kept coming back to this idea of candida as I

had

> all the symptoms described above plus incredible fatigue, inability to lose

> weight, etc., etc. I then decided to really " commit " to the Threelac program:

> Threelac, Oxygen Elements, and a number of other supplements sold on the site

> listed above. Cost was around $300 but I really wanted to give this a go

> properly. Once again, I followed the program to a tee for 6 months and saw

ZERO

> improvement in my symptoms. And basically got nothing for my $300.

>

> Fast forward again to about 9 months ago. I started researching again into

> candida and whether it was sheer luck, not doing enough research the last two

> times, more internet access, or whatever, I was able to get to this site and a

> number of others specifically dealing with this issue.

>

> To make a long story even longer, since the beginning of the year, I have

> followed a strict diet eliminating sugar, starches, vinegars and fermented

> foods, muchrooms, dairy and nuts, per recommendations on this site and others.

I

> have also incorporated antifungals and probiotics. I feel about 75-80% better.

>

> In my experience, Threelac didn't work and diet+antifungals+pre/probiotics

did.

> I am still tweaking things to get the maximum benefit, but in my opinion, it

> makes more sense to start by cleaning up the diet than by buying a " miracle "

> supplement that only works sporadically. Just my opinion (and experience)--it

> may work for others--but I found Threelac to be expensive and ineffective.

> Don't waste your money.

[Guest guest]

I would agree Threelac will only work if you are dealing with a mild Case of

Candida but if you have it systemic it will not be effective.

candidiasis

From: shelbyla1022@...

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:12:30 +0000

Subject: Re: ThreeLac experience

Hi. I usually don't post here but...

A couple of years ago, I first ran across ideas about systemic candida and was

directed to a site that promoted Threelac. Being sceptical, I bought enough

Threelac and Oxygen Elements to get me through about 3 months. I took them as

directed and saw absolutely NO improvement to my symptoms.

Fast forward a year or so...I kept coming back to this idea of candida as I had

all the symptoms described above plus incredible fatigue, inability to lose

weight, etc., etc. I then decided to really " commit " to the Threelac program:

Threelac, Oxygen Elements, and a number of other supplements sold on the site

listed above. Cost was around $300 but I really wanted to give this a go

properly. Once again, I followed the program to a tee for 6 months and saw ZERO

improvement in my symptoms. And basically got nothing for my $300.

Fast forward again to about 9 months ago. I started researching again into

candida and whether it was sheer luck, not doing enough research the last two

times, more internet access, or whatever, I was able to get to this site and a

number of others specifically dealing with this issue.

To make a long story even longer, since the beginning of the year, I have

followed a strict diet eliminating sugar, starches, vinegars and fermented

foods, muchrooms, dairy and nuts, per recommendations on this site and others. I

have also incorporated antifungals and probiotics. I feel about 75-80% better.

In my experience, Threelac didn't work and diet+antifungals+pre/probiotics did.

I am still tweaking things to get the maximum benefit, but in my opinion, it

makes more sense to start by cleaning up the diet than by buying a " miracle "

supplement that only works sporadically. Just my opinion (and experience)--it

may work for others--but I found Threelac to be expensive and ineffective.

Don't waste your money.

>

> I am also taking threelac and have been for 2 months (currently taking 4

sachets a day). I am feeling a bit better in general but that could be down to

the candida diet i've been following at the same time.

>

> i've read a lot of reviews on it, which i know can be written by marketers,

but surely not all of them (or so i believe). They were all good and some said

that some people have to wait a while to feel the effects, depending on the

severity of your condition.

>

> it's costing me a lot and getting more expensive as i take more sachets per

day, so if there's any information anyone has that suggests that threelac isn't

worth it, please let me know!

>

> also is it worth taking acidophilus?

>

> Regards

>

> Law

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[Guest guest]

Experience of this group with respect to

Inulin/whey/selenium & words used for hyping like

glutatheon precursor, undenatured, success rate is of the same order.

Despite dozens of references and experiences, science & hyping websites

on these products, similar success rates apply.

ThreeLac is however safer than these products.

______________________________________________________________

DuncanC wrote:

> The Threelac experience of this group seems to be positive for only around one

in three or one in four people who tried it in the last seven years.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>> I would agree Threelac will only work if you are dealing with a mild Case of

Candida but if you have it systemic it will not be effective.

[Guest guest]

Many people are not following a diet along with ThreeLac, expecting the pill to

provide magic results. Feeding the candida with a high starch diet will

overwhelm any other remedies. Diet is key. I don't sell ThreeLac, just had a

good experience with it along with DIET.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

Group: curingcandida/

----- Original Message ----

> From: DuncanC

>

> The Threelac experience of this group seems to be positive for only around one

> in three or one in four people who tried it in the last seven years.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/24/2009 10:20:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

lawponsford@... writes:

Duncan,

After your recommendation, I naturally went and looked up inulin and found

the following article:

http://www.naturalnews.com/022356.html

just thought it might be an interesting read for you.

it seems for every argument for there is always an argument against.

note that it specifically says that inulin can feed candida albicans.

Law

Thanks for the interesting article about inulin. All I know is inulin

made me blow up like a balloon with gas after I started taking it

and once the gas started I couldn't stop it. I believe it made my

Candida situation worse, not better.

The only thing that finally seemed to help normalize my gut

was adding a tablespoon of coconut oil daily to my diet. That

greatly reduced the bloating and gas. Since then I have tried to

avoid any type of extra sugar in my diet and after about three

months I am finally starting to feel much better.

So to share my experiences taking a small amount of

coconut oil daily and avoiding any and all extra sugar in my

diet seems to have really helped get the Candida under control for me.

Adding inulin just made the situation worse.

Todd R

[Guest guest]

Put it in an empty gel cap.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

Group: curingcandida/

Re: ThreeLac experience

>

> Hi Law,

>

> you said: raw garlic is apprently great, but eating it is possibly one of the

> most horrible experiences that i've tried (several times!).

> does anyone have any tips on other ways to ingest garlic? marinaded garlic

is

> obviously out because of the vinegars... i know there's odourless garlic

pills

> you can take, but i cant help but feel it's not as good as the real deal?

>

> For years, I have used the garlic found at the following website:

> http://www.springtimeinc.com/t_BugOffGarlicHorses_info I sprinkle one

> teaspoon on my daily salad. Yes, it was initially developed for animals

> (horses) and it is perfectly safe for humans. Easy, effective, inexpensive.

>

> Love and Laughter,

> Anne

> Hot Springs, AR

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Debby Padilla-Hudson wrote:

> I find threelac helpful but I used diet along with the threelac from the

start. So I did diet, then antifungals (several different kinds - I found

oregano oil the most helpful but it's pretty stinky), then probiotics (several

different kinds including threelac which I liked the best).

>

What would be your second and third choices for a good probiotic? The

threelac is just to expensive for me.

sol

[Guest guest]

I particularly like several non-dairy, enteric-coated probiotic brands as my

second choice. Dura-Flora is good, along with Country Life Acidophulus which is

in the fridge at whole foods. I liked threelac the best mostly because I

noticed increase loss when I took along with diet, but that's not what everyone

is looking for.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

Group: curingcandida/

----- Original Message ----

> From: sol

>

> Debby Padilla-Hudson wrote:

> > I find threelac helpful but I used diet along with the threelac from the

> start. So I did diet, then antifungals (several different kinds - I found

> oregano oil the most helpful but it's pretty stinky), then probiotics (several

> different kinds including threelac which I liked the best).

[Guest guest]

inulin/whey etc. never gave five out of five successes.

There were quite a lot of posts, against these.

Still, the hype continues.

__________________________________

DuncanC wrote:

> With respect, MM, taking the " safe route " by using a cure that only 1 in five

benefit is not an option. I'd like to see five out of five successes because the

failures can die of the infection.

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>> Experience of this group with respect to

>> Inulin/whey/selenium & words used for hyping like

>> glutatheon precursor, undenatured, success rate is of the same order.

>>

>> Despite dozens of references and experiences, science & hyping websites

>> on these products, similar success rates apply.

>>

>> ThreeLac is however safer than these products.

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

sol

Debby Padilla-Hudson wrote:

> I particularly like several non-dairy, enteric-coated probiotic brands as my

second choice. Dura-Flora is good, along with Country Life Acidophulus which is

in the fridge at whole foods. I liked threelac the best mostly because I

noticed increase loss when I took along with diet, but that's not what everyone

is looking for.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Debby!

 

You fail to realize that in advertising and even " testimonies " on use of

threelac, " they " say you do not need to change your diet...Well nothing could be

further from the truth as we all know ( or most of us anyway?) from actual

experience of NOT changing our diets FIRST! 

 

Once again just more confusion, much like every one seems to have an " opinion "

of what actually you can eat and not eat that will help to bring Candida under

control in a normal " fecal slurry " to a normal healthy person! So Debby even

your list of do's and dont's in diet is incomplete (may not be your list?),

because many foods on the list that can be bought and MAYBE feed Candida are not

there in description???

 

I have been doing the Now brand Whey Protein Isolate (6 tbl spoons a day); Now

Selenium (1 100mcg per three meals a day) and Now Inulin Powder with each meal

for two months now and can feel NO difference! It seems lately giving up my

Vegan diet (that really had me feeling better BEFORE I got this Candida thing

years ago from antibiotics to treat a sinus infection) and changing my diet back

to some salmon and boiled eggs may or has had some effect in reducing my

continual dysbiosis (and its many daily debilitating symptoms!!!) goes on and on

like a pink energizer bunny! I guess Candida hates " meat " and eggs and I can

relate to that being a past Vegan now!

 

After first joining and reading on this forum, I was told upon joining that nut

butters are " OK " for the supposed recommended Candida diet. But now I'm

experimenting with eliminating that from my diet, BUT how long will it take

until I know this is helping and I'm on the right track??? It seems like the

" control " Candida diet is all about mainly eating dead animals and or creatures,

to eventually " get well " and to get back as a normal healthy person???

 

Oh and YES much gas with the Inulin and I wonder TOO if its actually feeding the

Candida??? It seems the coconut oil and aloe vera juice helps most in soothing

my stomach and gas/chest pains

 

Can I trust the Now bottle saying " stimulates friendly bacteria " ??? Of course

I'm taking a NSI Probiotic 15-35 capsule and alternating with a PB8 Acidophilus

capsule with every meal and can see no results from them either!

 

Ooooh and finally YEAH I tried two boxes of that supposed " miracle " no need to

change your diet threelac " cure " and was absolutely a waste of money!!!! Soooo

put me on the NON POSITIVE list of people that threelac has NOT helped me in any

way shape or form.

 

Sooo what is REALLY that " key diet " ????

 

In suffering with continual dysbiosis,

 

Lyle

From: Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...>

Subject: Re: Re: ThreeLac experience

candidiasis

Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 2:08 AM

 

Many people are not following a diet along with ThreeLac, expecting the pill to

provide magic results. Feeding the candida with a high starch diet will

overwhelm any other remedies. Diet is key. I don't sell ThreeLac, just had a

good experience with it along with DIET.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturall ythriving. com

Group: http://health. groups.. com/group/ curingcandida/

----- Original Message ----

> From: DuncanC

>

> The Threelac experience of this group seems to be positive for only around one

> in three or one in four people who tried it in the last seven years.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

[Guest guest]

Hi April.

 

I cannot help but wonder if its the Garlic that is actually helping you and you

did not say what else you may be taking for foods in your diet to control the

overgrowth of Candida, OR just to eat for nourishment. Certainly threelac by

itself WILL NOT " help " control Candida in my personal experience and so with

people taking many other things and or foods we just do not know what is working

and what is not in every unique individual person. Rather long or short term

" infection " with Candida deep within the bodies of victims that may of went

years not knowing they even had Candida overgrowth???

 

All not good!

 

Lyle

From: AprilRain <aprilrain1228@...>

Subject: Re: ThreeLac experience

candidiasis

Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 3:19 AM

 

hi everyone!

i'm new to this group. i do take threelacs & think its a good products its the

only thing what has helped the acid reflux to get better. also raw garlics has

helped the acid reflux too. I realize one item is not going to make me get 100%

better alone because if you eat foods that feeds yeast while you take good

antifungals you'll have some severe die off symptoms like i have had.

I chop the garlic really small & drink them down like pills with a glass of

lemon water.

April

>

> Many people are not following a diet along with ThreeLac, expecting the pill

to provide magic results. Feeding the candida with a high starch diet will

overwhelm any other remedies. Diet is key. I don't sell ThreeLac, just had a

good experience with it along with DIET.

>

> Luv, Debby in San , CA

> Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

> Website: http://www.naturall ythriving. com

> Group: http://health. groups.. com/group/ curingcandida/

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> > From: DuncanC

> >

> > The Threelac experience of this group seems to be positive for only around

one

> > in three or one in four people who tried it in the last seven years.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

So Margaret!

 

What kind of diet are you on? Or have you even changed your diet so we can learn

from your complete and actual experience in EVERYTHING you have done and changed

in your life and victimization of your at one time noticing or diagnosis of

overgrowth of Candida?

 

I have tried using Candidase and Candida Plus and I think some others that I

cannot remember in months past and have had NO POSITIVE RESULTS nor in some what

" cure " form from them???

 

Still miserable with dysbiosis and going BROKE from buying all this junk,

Lyle

From: margretdzn@... <margretdzn@...>

Subject: Re: ThreeLac experience

candidiasis

Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 11:20 AM

 

the BEST I have found in my extensive personal candida experience (smile)

are 2 products---Candex and Ness........ ...

At my worst, I took 2 Candex AM and 2 PM; when candida improved, I would

go down to 1 and 1----then I found out about Ness and that was another

miracle worker in-itself... ...I now take 1 tsp. Ness AM and 2 Candex PM....

I am satisfied with this regime, and even though my nutritionist has told

me I can cut back or cut out at times, I have kept up with this as

" insurance " for my own peace of mind, and it works.......

I am not affiliated with either company, just a satisfied user......

Blessings, Margaret

" We are not held back by the love we didn't receive in the past but by the

love we're not extending in the present. "

nne on

[Guest guest]

You need bifidous (multiple strains) instead of acidopilous. The best approach

is to have stool testing to see what is actually in your intestines....I had a

rare yeast that wasn't going to respond to just diet.

I hear you on the confusion of what to eat....there are so many opinions.

Are you sure you don't have leaky gut as well as candida.

Joan

candidiasis

From: muslcrs@...

Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:19:50 -0700

Subject: Re: Re: ThreeLac experience

Hi Debby!

You fail to realize that in advertising and even " testimonies " on use of

threelac, " they " say you do not need to change your diet...Well nothing could be

further from the truth as we all know ( or most of us anyway?) from actual

experience of NOT changing our diets FIRST!

Once again just more confusion, much like every one seems to have an " opinion "

of what actually you can eat and not eat that will help to bring Candida under

control in a normal " fecal slurry " to a normal healthy person! So Debby even

your list of do's and dont's in diet is incomplete (may not be your list?),

because many foods on the list that can be bought and MAYBE feed Candida are not

there in description???

I have been doing the Now brand Whey Protein Isolate (6 tbl spoons a day); Now

Selenium (1 100mcg per three meals a day) and Now Inulin Powder with each meal

for two months now and can feel NO difference! It seems lately giving up my

Vegan diet (that really had me feeling better BEFORE I got this Candida thing

years ago from antibiotics to treat a sinus infection) and changing my diet back

to some salmon and boiled eggs may or has had some effect in reducing my

continual dysbiosis (and its many daily debilitating symptoms!!!) goes on and on

like a pink energizer bunny! I guess Candida hates " meat " and eggs and I can

relate to that being a past Vegan now!

After first joining and reading on this forum, I was told upon joining that nut

butters are " OK " for the supposed recommended Candida diet. But now I'm

experimenting with eliminating that from my diet, BUT how long will it take

until I know this is helping and I'm on the right track??? It seems like the

" control " Candida diet is all about mainly eating dead animals and or creatures,

to eventually " get well " and to get back as a normal healthy person???

Oh and YES much gas with the Inulin and I wonder TOO if its actually feeding the

Candida??? It seems the coconut oil and aloe vera juice helps most in soothing

my stomach and gas/chest pains

Can I trust the Now bottle saying " stimulates friendly bacteria " ??? Of course

I'm taking a NSI Probiotic 15-35 capsule and alternating with a PB8 Acidophilus

capsule with every meal and can see no results from them either!

Ooooh and finally YEAH I tried two boxes of that supposed " miracle " no need to

change your diet threelac " cure " and was absolutely a waste of money!!!! Soooo

put me on the NON POSITIVE list of people that threelac has NOT helped me in any

way shape or form.

Sooo what is REALLY that " key diet " ????

In suffering with continual dysbiosis,

Lyle

From: Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...>

Subject: Re: Re: ThreeLac experience

candidiasis

Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 2:08 AM

Many people are not following a diet along with ThreeLac, expecting the pill to

provide magic results. Feeding the candida with a high starch diet will

overwhelm any other remedies. Diet is key. I don't sell ThreeLac, just had a

good experience with it along with DIET.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturall ythriving. com

Group: http://health. groups.. com/group/ curingcandida/

----- Original Message ----

> From: DuncanC

>

> The Threelac experience of this group seems to be positive for only around one

> in three or one in four people who tried it in the last seven years.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

[Guest guest]

There is a lot of disagreement about what constitutes a good diet, but most on

this list agree that the diet I have on my website is a good one, or as good as

it gets:

http://www.naturallythriving.com/basics/cfd.php

I am aware that ThreeLac people say no diet change is needed, and I think that

is irresponsible of them. Like I said, I don't believe in any magic pills or

potions. I think Threelac is good in combination with diet, but everyone has

unique bowel chemistry, so it depends on your chemistry. The diet that is on my

website is the one that I was cured by as well as many others. I don't believe

that it is necessarily perfect for everyone, but seems to work for the vast

majority.

I'm not sure what you mean by feeding candida with what is on my list. My web

page has a clear program outlined and a list of foods that are OK. I think many

people label foods as " OK " for candida because they *wish* they were OK. I

would love it if ice cream was OK for candida too.. that doesn't make it so.

Also a lot of people confuse foods that feed candida and stop die-off symptoms

as being healthy. My diet (designed along with my best friend ) is based

on a combination of feedback from countless others, low carb diets, inflammation

candida diets, paleolithic principles and more. So it incorporates many

different principles. You could say that the diet is just my " opinion " , which

is true, but it's the opinion of someone who has studied nutrition for 15 years

and is nearly certified as a nutritionist.

I do not recommend inulin and whey so it sounds like you aren't following what I

particularly recommend. I suggest people start with a very basic diet like the

one I recommend, and when their symptoms are stable, try various antifungals,

probiotics, whey, etc. and see how they feel. People can't see how various

supplements work for them until they really stabilize their symptoms, and that's

with diet. Too many people continually change things and really can't see what

their results were.

As far as eating dead animals, we evolved over millions of years to do so.

Becoming hunters is what changed us from being monkeys to humans and having

larger brains, as protein and fat are what our brains are made of, and lots of

animal protein allows our brains to grow more than fruit eating monkeys. Did

you know the brain is about 80% cholesterol?

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

Group: curingcandida/

----- Original Message ----

> From: lyle shippy

>

> Hi Debby!

>

> You fail to realize that in advertising and even " testimonies " on use of

> threelac, " they " say you do not need to change your diet...Well nothing could

be

> further from the truth as we all know ( or most of us anyway?) from actual

> experience of NOT changing our diets FIRST!

>

> Once again just more confusion, much like every one seems to have an " opinion "

> of what actually you can eat and not eat that will help to bring Candida under

> control in a normal " fecal slurry " to a normal healthy person! So Debby even

> your list of do's and dont's in diet is incomplete (may not be your list?),

> because many foods on the list that can be bought and MAYBE feed Candida are

not

> there in description???

>

> I have been doing the Now brand Whey Protein Isolate (6 tbl spoons a day); Now

> Selenium (1 100mcg per three meals a day) and Now Inulin Powder with each meal

> for two months now and can feel NO difference! It seems lately giving up my

> Vegan diet (that really had me feeling better BEFORE I got this Candida thing

> years ago from antibiotics to treat a sinus infection) and changing my diet

back

> to some salmon and boiled eggs may or has had some effect in reducing my

> continual dysbiosis (and its many daily debilitating symptoms!!!) goes on and

on

> like a pink energizer bunny! I guess Candida hates " meat " and eggs and I can

> relate to that being a past Vegan now!

>

> After first joining and reading on this forum, I was told upon joining that

nut

> butters are " OK " for the supposed recommended Candida diet. But now I'm

> experimenting with eliminating that from my diet, BUT how long will it take

> until I know this is helping and I'm on the right track??? It seems like the

> " control " Candida diet is all about mainly eating dead animals and or

creatures,

> to eventually " get well " and to get back as a normal healthy person???

>

> Oh and YES much gas with the Inulin and I wonder TOO if its actually feeding

the

> Candida??? It seems the coconut oil and aloe vera juice helps most in soothing

> my stomach and gas/chest pains

>

> Can I trust the Now bottle saying " stimulates friendly bacteria " ??? Of course

> I'm taking a NSI Probiotic 15-35 capsule and alternating with a PB8

Acidophilus

> capsule with every meal and can see no results from them either!

>

> Ooooh and finally YEAH I tried two boxes of that supposed " miracle " no need to

> change your diet threelac " cure " and was absolutely a waste of money!!!! Soooo

> put me on the NON POSITIVE list of people that threelac has NOT helped me in

any

> way shape or form.

>

> Sooo what is REALLY that " key diet " ????

>

> In suffering with continual dysbiosis,

>

> Lyle

[Guest guest]

Well I can sure say I have not had a " success " with the Whey/Selenium/Inulin

trio!

 

How long does it take for this miracle dramatic trio to take effect in " healing "

a victim of Candida overgrowth???

Lyle

From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother@...>

Subject: Re: ThreeLac experience

candidiasis

Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 1:40 PM

 

This post is a bit more rational than the last few. You are right! there seems

to be a much lower than 5/5 success with whey and inulin and I want everyone to

be aware of that as well.

I am not against you MM, but when all you do is constantly bash Duncan, people

tune out. That's all I'm saying.

greg

> >

> >> Experience of this group with respect to

> >> Inulin/whey/ selenium & words used for hyping like

> >> glutatheon precursor, undenatured, success rate is of the same order.

> >>

> >> Despite dozens of references and experiences, science & hyping websites

> >> on these products, similar success rates apply.

> >>

> >> ThreeLac is however safer than these products.

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/28/2009 2:46:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

dreaminginnoother@... writes:

Whey/selenium/inulin can definitely be beneficial, but not for everyone all

the time. And as far as your problem is concerned, I have not found a cure

either, so I can really relate. I've been on this candida horse for over 4

years and actually been sick with it for who knows how long.

greg

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Maybe we can all agree that a good starting point for a Candida 'cure' or

at least a way to help keep it under control is to avoid any and all extra

sugar

in our diet? That includes all kinds of added sugar in processed foods,

sweet fruits or fruit juices, honey , molasses and anything sweet. I think

everyone agrees sugar feeds Candida. Remember inulin is a form of sugar,

it tastes sweet and is sometimes used as a sugar substitute.

Refined inulin can produce bloating, gas, diarrhea, and other symptoms in

some people, myself included.

The Candida 1-2-3 Diet by Debby Padilla looks like the best one to me.

Todd R

[Guest guest]

geotrichum...used t make cheese....diflucan

candidiasis

From: dreaminginnoother@...

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:46:08 +0000

Subject: Re: ThreeLac experience

what was your rare yeast? What therapy did you use for it?

greg

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> From: Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...>

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> Subject: Re: Re: ThreeLac experience

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> candidiasis

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> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 2:08 AM

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> Many people are not following a diet along with ThreeLac, expecting the pill

to provide magic results. Feeding the candida with a high starch diet will

overwhelm any other remedies. Diet is key. I don't sell ThreeLac, just had a

good experience with it along with DIET.

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> Luv, Debby in San , CA

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> Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

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> Website: http://www.naturall ythriving. com

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> Group: http://health. groups.. com/group/ curingcandida/

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> ----- Original Message ----

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> > From: DuncanC

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> > The Threelac experience of this group seems to be positive for only around

one

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> > in three or one in four people who tried it in the last seven years.

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> > all good,

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> > Duncan

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[Guest guest]

SO what is it that can make us all better??? Being hearing many views on this

site for a few years and no one person can agree on on method? I getting very

scared I'm goona be stick with this for life!!

candidiasis

From: dreaminginnoother@...

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:44:54 +0000

Subject: Re: ThreeLac experience

It won't cure candida. Science does show that whey is a

terrific promoter of health with its glutathione precursors, but that doesn't

mean it will kill candida. And I, in fact, do not tolerate whey too well, and I

think inulin is not a good choice for most people suffering with dysbiosis. I

do think it can feed certain strains of candida when the ecosystem down there is

too out of wack and I have argued with Duncan many times on this.

My message to MM is to try to get her to maybe post her experiences or knowledge

so we can add to the information in support of not using these products. So far

all she does is leave troll like messages which people have come to ignore.

Whey/selenium/inulin can definitely be beneficial, but not for everyone all the

time. And as far as your problem is concerned, I have not found a cure either,

so I can really relate. I've been on this candida horse for over 4 years and

actually been sick with it for who knows how long.

greg

> > >

> > >> Experience of this group with respect to

> > >> Inulin/whey/ selenium & words used for hyping like

> > >> glutatheon precursor, undenatured, success rate is of the same order.

> > >>

> > >> Despite dozens of references and experiences, science & hyping websites

> > >> on these products, similar success rates apply.

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> > >> ThreeLac is however safer than these products.

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[Guest guest]

Duncan, this is the first I have heard of  the option to find foods containing

inulin. Would you please mention  them. Thanks and that was a nice summary you

just wrote. Doug

From: DuncanC <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: ThreeLac experience

candidiasis

Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 4:45 PM

 

Bobby, I don't think one protocol is good for everyone. There

are similarities between protocols but people don't do exactly the same things,

thus the many views you mentioned.

The common thread is: ruthlessly low-carbing; avoiding processed foods; getting

the inulin back into our modern diets whether by supplementing or using

higher-inulin foods; using various natural or pharmaceutical antifungals and

antimicrobials; supplementing to avoid malabsorption; atttending to correct

digestion with betaine HCl or digestive enzymes.

Except for the antifungal and antimicrobial use, this general approach, with

other supplements such as the undenatured whey and selenium used by a lot of

people, is actually just a basic health and anti-aging program. It brings up

the antioxidant enzyme glutathione that drops with age, the stomach acidity that

drops with age, the matabolism that also drops with age, the bifidobacteria in

the gut that also drops with age, etc.; see the common theme here? Just getting

back to a more biologically supportive diet and lifestyle is the main thing.

There's no magic bullet and no guarantee that it won't take a long while.

all good,

Duncan

>

>

> SO what is it that can make us all better??? Being hearing many views on this

site for a few years and no one person can agree on on method? I getting very

scared I'm goona be stick with this for life!!

>

[Guest guest]

Excellent report.

I can complement this with another post below (Copy & Post) :

Hi Dee,

June 16, 2004, article by Dominique Patton.

" Whey protein supplement appears to inhibit ACE, lowers BP "

Article notes that whey supplement more than doubled bradykinin

level, lowers BP.

(Carol's comment: this explains why whey supplements,

while given a lot of marketing rap in the bodybuilding mags,

actually flattens or crashes energy levels of some persons,

and these would be the TCM deficient constitution, and/or

have high bradykinin levels and lowers blood pressure abruptly.

And few even collapse)

http://nutraingredients.com/news-by-health/news.asp?id=52872

_________________________________________________________________

Dee wrote:

Hi, do you have the site that has the information about whey, because I

know that whenever I have used it, it gives me terrible pain. Dee

=============================================================

tink121054 wrote:

> In my personal experience and research the information and promotion of

> whey and whey protein is just like the soy misconception. Here is an

> article I found and I have found other articles just like this one,

> _www.vibrationalwellness.com/vibration/images/Whey_Report.pdf_

> I have found with working for a Naturopath that he is saying that whey

> and whey protein causes severe electrical trauma to the lining of the

> intestinal tract leading to a slow decline in the vitality of the villi

> and the long term effects of whey use actually leads to the entrenched

> foot hold that candida can have leading to things like leaky gut and

> other digestive problems.

>

> Tink

[Guest guest]

Oh, I have found a good way to take raw garlic. Get a glass of almond milk

and quickly bite a piece of garlic off, chew it quick and take a drink of

the almond milk. Cuts the burn down to almost nothing. I can eat 3 pieces of

garlic this way. Sylvia

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:02 AM, lawrenceponsford <lawponsford@...>wrote:

> Thanks for your input

>

> raw garlic is apprently great, but eating it is possibly one of the most

> horrible experiences that i've tried (several times!).

> does anyone have any tips on other ways to ingest garlic? Law

[Guest guest]

How long have you been on these? Do you think you will ever be cured to the

point where you don't have to do anything to treat it? That you can go on

with a normal life without taking pills or whatever? Thanks, Sylvia

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:20 AM, <margretdzn@...> wrote:

>

>

> the BEST I have found in my extensive personal candida experience (smile)

> are 2 products---Candex and Ness...........

> At my worst, I took 2 Candex AM and 2 PM; when candida improved, I would

> go down to 1 and 1----then I found out about Ness and that was another

> miracle worker in-itself......I now take 1 tsp. Ness AM and 2 Candex

> PM....

> I am satisfied with this regime, and even though my nutritionist has told

> me I can cut back or cut out at times, I have kept up with this as

> " insurance " for my own peace of mind, and it works.......

> I am not affiliated with either company, just a satisfied user......

>

> Blessings, Margaret

> " We are not held back by the love we didn't receive in the past but by the

> love we're not extending in the present. "

> nne on

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[Guest guest]

For me it is the opposite view point... there is too much life I miss out on by

eating what ever I want. If I eat what ever I want I am not healthy, and then

my physical, mental and emotional health are lowered, hence I can't enjoy life

as much. I would not trade the short-term taste of food for all of the

experiences I have had that came from eating strictly.

It's not like I'm starving myself, I just have to eat healthy foods and can eat

as much as keeps me satisfied, but have to stay away from the junk. To me it's

well worth it.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

Group: curingcandida/

----- Original Message ----

> From: " margretdzn@... "

> There is too much life to experience to be boxed in by such a limited

> diet---

> to never have a glass of wine ever again, or even a dessert made with

> agave (which I have switched to--bake with stevia, agave, xylitol---while the

> stevia and xylitol doesn't promote candida, but the agave does--it's

> healthier but not perfect)......

[Guest guest]

Yes, I found it in the articles tab on www.vibrationalwellness.com

________________________________

From: MM <medmidas@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:27:35 PM

Subject: Re: Re: ThreeLac experience

Excellent report.

I can complement this with another post below (Copy & Post) :

Hi Dee,

June 16, 2004, article by Dominique Patton.

" Whey protein supplement appears to inhibit ACE, lowers BP "

Article notes that whey supplement more than doubled bradykinin

level, lowers BP.

(Carol's comment: this explains why whey supplements,

while given a lot of marketing rap in the bodybuilding mags,

actually flattens or crashes energy levels of some persons,

and these would be the TCM deficient constitution, and/or

have high bradykinin levels and lowers blood pressure abruptly.

And few even collapse)

http://nutraingredi ents.com/ news-by-health/ news.asp? id=52872

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

Dee wrote:

Hi, do you have the site that has the information about whey, because I

know that whenever I have used it, it gives me terrible pain. Dee

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ====

tink121054 wrote:

> In my personal experience and research the information and promotion of

> whey and whey protein is just like the soy misconception. Here is an

> article I found and I have found other articles just like this one,

> _www.vibrationalwel lness.com/ vibration/ images/Whey_ Report.pdf_

> I have found with working for a Naturopath that he is saying that whey

> and whey protein causes severe electrical trauma to the lining of the

> intestinal tract leading to a slow decline in the vitality of the villi

> and the long term effects of whey use actually leads to the entrenched

> foot hold that candida can have leading to things like leaky gut and

> other digestive problems.

>

> Tink