Re: essential oils,----Wil, anti fungal kill good bacteria?

[Guest guest]

Wil,

so anti fungals kill the good bacteria as well as the bad? I thought it only

killed the bad.

to others, my naturopath told me the bad bacteria will become immune to anti

fungals so they should only be used short term when you are getting sick.

however I read what said about rotating anti fungals so now I'm confused

on this subject. I just don't bother taking antifungals now. I did just start

taking candex, which is causing me to break out so obviously causing die off and

now I'm wishing maybe I should not have started using it.

Jess-Anne

>

> I will say the long term ingestion of oregano, tea tree, theaves and cloves

can/will destroy the immune system and eventually your health.

>

> These oils kill not only fungi, but the bacteria that we need as our immunity.

Last week I ran into another young living lady that has destroyed herself by

ingesting these oils daily for a long time just like Mr. Young advises and she

is a very sick lady.

>

> Please be advised!

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

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> From: Sharon <hotmocha@...>

> candidiasis

> Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 12:55:51 AM

> Subject: Essential Oils

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> Nieema,

>

> Maybe you can tell us more about them. Surely they would be helpful for

candida. Oregano oil? Clove? Tea tree? I've heard so many bits and pieces but

no solid information about them. If you have some resources, please share!

>

> Sharon

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[Guest guest]

Jess-Anne,

This concept of good and bad bacteria is a myth, you learn the truth in the

first year as a student of microbiology. There is only balance and pathogenic

when it comes to bacteria in the GI tract.

This myth of good and bad bacteria has been pushed as a marketing tool for the

nutriceutical industry.

80% of our immunity is comprised of over 700 different strains of microorganisms

that are living in our GI tract. Some are colonizing/non-transient and some are

non-colonizing/transient. The different microorganism consist of bacteria,

fungi, yeasts, molds and viruses.

The issue I have with using natural or Rx antifungals is fungi can change form

as a survival instict when its life is being threatened. A fungal overgrowth of

any kind is a sign of an imbalance in the microorganism population within the GI

tract. It is the microorganisms which hold each other in balance. When using any

kind of anti-fungal it throws the balance of even more causing a bigger

imbalance.

My opinions and education are derived from mostly non-medical and non-allopathic

view. I have studied extensively how the body works from a " NATURAL " biological

and electrical view, as we are natural and electrical beings pulsing with the

rhythms of nature not synthetic.

I hope you appreciate a natural and different view.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

________________________________

From: jessanne_lepine <jessanne_lepine@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 5:55:54 PM

Subject: Re: essential oils,----Wil, anti fungal kill good

bacteria?

Wil,

so anti fungals kill the good bacteria as well as the bad? I thought it only

killed the bad.

to others, my naturopath told me the bad bacteria will become immune to anti

fungals so they should only be used short term when you are getting sick.

however I read what said about rotating anti fungals so now I'm confused

on this subject. I just don't bother taking antifungals now. I did just start

taking candex, which is causing me to break out so obviously causing die off and

now I'm wishing maybe I should not have started using it.

Jess-Anne

>

> I will say the long term ingestion of oregano, tea tree, theaves and cloves

>can/will destroy the immune system and eventually your health.

>

> These oils kill not only fungi, but the bacteria that we need as our immunity.

>Last week I ran into another young living lady that has destroyed herself by

>ingesting these oils daily for a long time just like Mr. Young advises and she

>is a very sick lady.

>

>

> Please be advised!

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Sharon <hotmocha@...>

> candidiasis

> Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 12:55:51 AM

> Subject: Essential Oils

>

>

> Nieema,

>

> Maybe you can tell us more about them. Surely they would be helpful for

>candida. Oregano oil? Clove? Tea tree? I've heard so many bits and pieces

but

>no solid information about them. If you have some resources, please share!

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wil, that struck a cord with me. We learned in the oils class that the fungu

morph into something else just to live...we were told to rotate oils to get the

best results.

I keep forgetting that these little things are live colonys!

>

> Jess-Anne,

> This concept of good and bad bacteria is a myth, you learn the truth in the

> first year as a student of microbiology. There is only balance and pathogenic

> when it comes to bacteria in the GI tract.

>

> This myth of good and bad bacteria has been pushed as a marketing tool for the

> nutriceutical industry.

>

> 80% of our immunity is comprised of over 700 different strains of

microorganisms

> that are living in our GI tract. Some are colonizing/non-transient and some

are

> non-colonizing/transient. The different microorganism consist of bacteria,

> fungi, yeasts, molds and viruses.

>

> The issue I have with using natural or Rx antifungals is fungi can change form

> as a survival instict when its life is being threatened. A fungal overgrowth

of

> any kind is a sign of an imbalance in the microorganism population within the

GI

> tract. It is the microorganisms which hold each other in balance. When using

any

> kind of anti-fungal it throws the balance of even more causing a bigger

> imbalance.

>

> My opinions and education are derived from mostly non-medical and

non-allopathic

> view. I have studied extensively how the body works from a " NATURAL "

biological

> and electrical view, as we are natural and electrical beings pulsing with the

> rhythms of nature not synthetic.

>

> I hope you appreciate a natural and different view.

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Wil,

thanks very much for explaining this. It seems to make sense. everything works

together. I very much appreciate a natural and different view on all this stuff

are you familiar with the product Candex? It eats the cell wall of the yeast and

is not supposed to be an anti fungal. I just started taking this, do you think

it's ok to take? The one advantage I seem to be noticing is I am able to fall

asleep at night, so I think it's helping.

and to everyone I thought I would add, I don't use essential oils internally but

externally they are very healing. great for massage, they can really help with

the emotions and I believe your state of mind and emotions are huge in getting

better. Essential oils do have contraindications though so one must be careful.

I'm a certified aromatherapist if anyone would like to know about any

contraindications.

thank you!

Jess-Anne

>

> Jess-Anne,

> This concept of good and bad bacteria is a myth, you learn the truth in the

> first year as a student of microbiology. There is only balance and pathogenic

> when it comes to bacteria in the GI tract.

>

> This myth of good and bad bacteria has been pushed as a marketing tool for the

> nutriceutical industry.

>

> 80% of our immunity is comprised of over 700 different strains of

microorganisms

> that are living in our GI tract. Some are colonizing/non-transient and some

are

> non-colonizing/transient. The different microorganism consist of bacteria,

> fungi, yeasts, molds and viruses.

>

> The issue I have with using natural or Rx antifungals is fungi can change form

> as a survival instict when its life is being threatened. A fungal overgrowth

of

> any kind is a sign of an imbalance in the microorganism population within the

GI

> tract. It is the microorganisms which hold each other in balance. When using

any

> kind of anti-fungal it throws the balance of even more causing a bigger

> imbalance.

>

> My opinions and education are derived from mostly non-medical and

non-allopathic

> view. I have studied extensively how the body works from a " NATURAL "

biological

> and electrical view, as we are natural and electrical beings pulsing with the

> rhythms of nature not synthetic.

>

> I hope you appreciate a natural and different view.

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You know what this (everything in this thread) is sooo confusing it

makes me dizzy reading it and leaves me (and possibly others) wondering then

just what in the hell IS the right thing <s> to do when trying to rid oneself

of this pesky illness? It's the same when reading all the conflicting

information out there about what diet to be on and what diet is the wrong one.

One group of people say eat this and another group says " ohh--no--you

can't eat that--it's toxic " ---kind of reminds me of Alice in Wonderland or at

least how you felt AFTER having read it. Maybe I'm just speaking for

myself and nobody can relate to what I'm saying--I don't know. I know that in

the end one has to just figure out what is right for just you, but on the

way you also can end up wasting money buying expensive health food products

as well as probiotics & vitamins & antifungals that some of the people are

screaming at you not to use & /or equipment you may end up never using.

Eventually I am sure I will figure it all out happily but right now I am about

to scream and pull my hair out simultaneously while biting my nails as I

squeamishly begin to put in a pricey order at Wholesale Vitamins and/or

Vitacost that I may regret purchasing <hope I don't>!! Am I making sense?

Diane

[Guest guest]

Ok, take a deep breath

There are many things that people try and some work for one, some work for

others.

The main idea is to create a balance in the body.

It really is not a waste to buy vitamins when you figure out the basics to

buy...then when you are ways long working on figuring things out you add to it.

One thing some of us are pushing is the natural raw food that has all the

vitamins and minerals in them.

Many people can not do that so they work on the next best thing...that next best

thing has to come from your own research into your $$$ the amount of time you

can spend exercing, how much water you drink...all of that comes into play well

before you start buying a lot of stuff.

Getting in balance is not just about putting something in the mouth and wait to

see if things are happening...it took a while for you to get where you are and

it will take a minute to get better.

Example, if you buy a lot of stuff and your body is not ready for the possible

detox reaction, you could create more problems then you are ready for...brain

fog, headaches and so much more.

That is why people let you know about the side effects of things that they have

taken.

The other thing...you do not want to do anything tooo fast. Just imagine, you

killed all the parasites in you body and you are constipated...they, the corpses

would have no way to get out except to do more nasty things to the body just

trying to get things fixed up.

So, it is a good thing to just sit back and look and listen and see what fits

for you.

I hope that helped...I am very late for bed!

>

> You know what this (everything in this thread) is sooo confusing it

> makes me dizzy reading it and leaves me (and possibly others) wondering then

> just what in the hell IS the right thing <s> to do when trying to rid oneself

> of this pesky illness? It's the same when reading all the conflicting

> information out there about what diet to be on and what diet is the wrong

one.

> One group of people say eat this and another group says " ohh--no--you

> can't eat that--it's toxic " ---kind of reminds me of Alice in Wonderland or at

> least how you felt AFTER having read it. Maybe I'm just speaking for

> myself and nobody can relate to what I'm saying--I don't know. I know that

in

> the end one has to just figure out what is right for just you, but on the

> way you also can end up wasting money buying expensive health food products

> as well as probiotics & vitamins & antifungals that some of the people are

> screaming at you not to use & /or equipment you may end up never using.

> Eventually I am sure I will figure it all out happily but right now I am

about

> to scream and pull my hair out simultaneously while biting my nails as I

> squeamishly begin to put in a pricey order at Wholesale Vitamins and/or

> Vitacost that I may regret purchasing <hope I don't>!! Am I making sense?

> Diane

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

I felt the same way with all the conflicting information. I got so stressed out

about it all that I had to take a break from reading anything on the internet

and/or forums. Then it took a bit of trial and error and process of elimination

to see what worked for me. I felt like yogurt made me break out so I stopped

eating it, now I've read if you take inulin it shouldn't be a problem, so I'm

adding it in and seeing how I do, I'll just cut it out again if I don't feel it

works.

also have you checked out www.iherb.com ?? they have pretty good pricing, better

than what I have seen elsewhere.

Jess-Anne

>

> You know what this (everything in this thread) is sooo confusing it

> makes me dizzy reading it and leaves me (and possibly others) wondering then

> just what in the hell IS the right thing <s> to do when trying to rid oneself

> of this pesky illness? It's the same when reading all the conflicting

> information out there about what diet to be on and what diet is the wrong

one.

> One group of people say eat this and another group says " ohh--no--you

> can't eat that--it's toxic " ---kind of reminds me of Alice in Wonderland or at

> least how you felt AFTER having read it. Maybe I'm just speaking for

> myself and nobody can relate to what I'm saying--I don't know. I know that

in

> the end one has to just figure out what is right for just you, but on the

> way you also can end up wasting money buying expensive health food products

> as well as probiotics & vitamins & antifungals that some of the people are

> screaming at you not to use & /or equipment you may end up never using.

> Eventually I am sure I will figure it all out happily but right now I am

about

> to scream and pull my hair out simultaneously while biting my nails as I

> squeamishly begin to put in a pricey order at Wholesale Vitamins and/or

> Vitacost that I may regret purchasing <hope I don't>!! Am I making sense?

> Diane

>

>

[Guest guest]

No I haven't heard of iherb. I'll look into it--thanks, Jess-Anne.