Ascorbic Acid Powder

[Guest guest]

Some people have guts which can't handle pure ascorbic acid

well. Too acid. I like to use buffered C. Beware that the

NOW brand of buffered C tastes absolutely wretched. The

bioflavanoids they add make it taste like grapefruit rinds which have

been fermenting in the garbage. I mix some ascorbic acid in with

buffered C. I generally take 3-5 grams at a time in 12 ounces of

water.

Alobar

On 2/28/06, sampey99 <sampey99@...> wrote:

> Well, it's the NOW brand Ascorbic Acid and the bottle says a serving is 1/2

> teaspoon which delivers 2.25 g. of Vitamin C. Any suggestions?

>

> Thanks, Cin

>

[Guest guest]

Is this more potent than vitamin C capsules? I am currently taking

1000 mg capsults but thought maybe of switching to the powder. Is

there a good brand out there that one might recommend?

Tina

[Guest guest]

When you are sick, you cannot access the same levels of vitamin C as recommended

in

disease, by Drs Archie Kalokerinos or Catchcart. These doctors employed

mega-

dosage in illness with spectacular results.

You can use bowel tolerance titration to determine your levels of need by this

simple

measure of saturation, in sickness.

Check out this from Dr Cathcart, one of the most knowledgable doctors on Vit C -

who

also mentions Archie Kalokerinos MD in Australia who discovered cure for SIDS in

aboriginal babies.

http://doctoryourself.com/cathcart_thirdface.html

Why A Sick Body Needs So Much Vitamin C

Megadoses: Why?

Home

The Third Face of Vitamin C

F. Cathcart, M.D.

Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, 7:4;197-200, 1993.

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http://www.orthomed.com/klenner.htm

Journal of Applied Nutrition Vol. 23, No's 3 & 4, Winter 1971

Observations On the Dose and Administration of Ascorbic Acid When Employed

Beyond the Range Of A Vitamin In Human Pathology

Frederick R. Klenner, M.D., F.C.C.P.

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" How Much Is Too Much?

Dr. Cathcart believes the ideal intake for any individual is the

highest level they can tolerate without loose bowels. On the basis of his

experience with 11,000 patients over 14 years this bowel tolerance level

may be 10 to 15 grams in a healthy person, 30 to 60 grams in a person with

a cold, and over 199 grams per day in a person with a serious infectious

illness. During an infectious illness the best clinical results have been

achieved by maintaining high vitamin C levels in the blood through 3 or

more grams every four hours.

Fortunately, vitamin C is one of the least toxic substances known to man.

Four studies gave 10 grams of vitamin C to over 3000 patients without a

single reported incidence of toxicity. Other than the bowels there has not

been one single case of toxicity resulting from taking vitamin C

supplements, despite unfounded reports of potential risk for kidney stones,

raising blood uric acid levels, or 'rebound' scurvy. It is unlikely that

any vitamin has been tested to such an extent for toxicity and it is safe

to assume that supplemental levels of at least 10 grams a day, or up to

bowel tolerance, are completely safe. "

(again this may need to be sodium ascorbate form)

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/mega_1_1.html#HOLFORD

VITAMIN C:

HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?

By Holford

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http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/hoffer.html

(links to some of the articles in the bibliography are there on the webpage)

© 1996

First published June 1996 in THE TOWNSEND LETTER FOR DOCTORS AND PATIENTS

Reprinted with permission by the Author and The Townsend Letter

The Vitamin Paradigm Wars

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http://www.orthomed.com/polio.htm

July, 1949 SOUTHERN MEDICINE & SURGERY 209

The Treatment of Poliomyelitis and Other Virus Diseases with Vitamin C

Fred R. Klenner, M.D., Reidsville, North Carolina

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http://www.whale.to/p/vitc.html

VITAMIN C, the cheap anti-viral

" We found measles to be a medical curiosity, by 1950 we could kill the

measles virus in 24 hours. We also found we could dry up chicken pox in the

same time. " ---Dr Klennr, M.D.

Ascorbic acid was shown to inactivate (1936-7) the herpes virus by Holden

et al. The vaccinia virus by Kliger and Bernkopf. The Hoof and mouth virus

by Langenbusch and Enderling. Rabies virus by Amato

" Viral hepatitis of all types is one of the easiest diseases for ascorbic

acid to cure. " ---Dr Cathcart, M.D.

In a study of 108 open heart surgery patients (receiving under 1.5 gms

ascorbic acid/day), 11% developed hepatitis (alter et al, 1975). In

contrast in the Murata-Morishige study there were no cases of hepatitis

among 1100 patients receiving over 2 gms ascorbic acid.

" In 1949 Klenner described his successful treatment of polio…using ascorbic

acid. The main value of his work is in showing that any viral disease can

be successfully brought under control with ascorbic acid if the proper

large doses are used…..Millions have been spent in unsuccessful attempts to

find a nontoxic, effective virucide….while, harmless, inexpensive, and

non-toxic ascorbic acid has been within easy reach. " ---Dr. Irwin Stone

Klenner in 1948, and Dalton in 1962 reported their successful experiences

with virus pneumonia treated with ascorbic acid in 42 cases and 3 cases

respectively. Paez de la Torre in 1945 found good results in measles with

children. Klenner in 1949, successfully used ascorbic acid as a

prophylactic in a measles epidemic and gave a dramatic case history in his

1953 paper in the treatment of a 10 month old baby with measles. Zureich,

in 1950 treated 71 cases of chicken pox with ascorbic acid and Klenner in

1949 also mentions the good response with this disease.

Klenner also cites the dramatic results he obtained in virus encephalitis

and also in 33 cases of mumps and many cases of influenza. Vargas Magne in

1963 treated 130 cases of influenza for one to 3 days using up to 45 grams

of ascorbic acid. 114 recovered and 16 did not respond.

" Although we were able to cure many cases of polio with massive doses of

ascorbic acid, one single instance demonstrates the value of vitamin C. Two

brothers were sick with poliomyelitis. These two boys were given 10 and 12

grams of ascorbic acid, according to weight, intravenously with a 50 c.c.

syringe, every eight hours for 4 times and then every 12 hours for 4 times.

They also were given one gram every two hours by mouth around the clock.

They made complete recovery and both were athletic stars in high school and

college. A third child, a neighbour, under the care of another physician

received no ascorbic acid. This child also lived. The young lady is still

wearing braces. " ---Dr Klenner

Dr Cathcart http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/

Vit C Foundation http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/

Klenner paper http://www.orthomed.com/klenner.htm

Null http://www.thehealingcenter.com/

Dr Pittman http://www.he.net/~center/

OrthoMed http://www.orthomed.org/

Ascorbate Web http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/

Linus ing site http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/

C for Yourself http://www.CforYourself.com/

You will find also that Sodium ascorbate is much better.

Do a search for 's articles on sodium ascorbate vitamin C which I

have had put

across many websites.

says:

don't use Calcium ascorbate - ever. There are very good reasons why, not least

of which

is how it is metabolised in the body. Calcium Ascorbate is a no-no. I learned

the hard

way. Brief description. In order to metabolise ascorbate, the Vitamin C needs

a sodium

ion. It splits into two compounds, one of which is used, the other excreted.

The basic

biochemical unit of the cell is the sodium ion. If you use calcium ascorbate,

the calcium

sheers away, and sodium is pulled from the nearest cell with it in it. Once the

ascorbate is

split, the first thing it does is to chelate out the calcium, which should not

be there. Then

what you have left, is what is available. That is why you rarely get diarrhoea

with calcium

ascorbate. Because you have to use far more of it to do what sodium ascorbate

does. So

how did Ester-C become supposedly the best? I don't know. I know my facts,

because

Archie Kalokerinos explained them to me, as have a couple of biochemists. I

needed to

know, because when Archie sorted out my arthritis after the rubella vaccine, he

didn't put

a label on it. I didn't know what it was. So when I ran out, I went to the

health shop, and

asked for " the best " . Within 9 months, I was in deep trouble and rang Archie to

ask if this

stuff was supposed to kill me (had a severe sodium deficiency, which was

stuffing my

immune system even worse than normal!!!). He asked what was on the bottle, and

when I

read out Calcium Ascorbate - well - I'm sure he would have boxed my ears if he

were in

the same room. Just joking. He's very calm and gentle, is Archie. Anyway, he

explained

that I would need to salt everything in sight for a while, and never to do it

again.

Hypercalcemia makes cancer cells grow like billie-oh... "

And from someone else - can't verify this, but sounds accurate

Divide the number of pounds by 2.2 to get the kilograms your child weights and

then

multiply times 200 for minimum mg per day

40 pounds divided by 2.2 = about 18 kilograms X 200 mg per kg of body weight =

3636

mg or 3.6 GM OR X 375 mg (hi end) = 6818 mg or 6.8 gm

See below

For dosage it all depends, but I saved this from another list member...

(Give until they get the poopies and then cut back a little)

Sodium ascorbate powder for breastfed babies.

Dosage rate = between 200 - 375 mg per kg of body weight over waking hours,

actual

dose depends on individual. So if your baby weighs 4 kilograms, (approx 9 1bs)

one gram

vitamin C = 1,000 mgs (one-quarter of a level tsp) should be split into several

doses, and

given from morning to evening.... One good pinch equals 250 mgs, if you want to

use the

vague method.

Express some breast milk, dissolve the vitamin C. Using a plastic dropper, drip

it into the

inside of her cheek until all in, or get it into her as she breastfeeds by

inserting the

dropper without breaking her " seal " - not so easy!!!

You should start to notice a significant difference within 24 hours.

> >

> > Is this more potent than vitamin C capsules? I am currently taking

> > 1000 mg capsults but thought maybe of switching to the powder. Is

> > there a good brand out there that one might recommend?

> >

> > Tina

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

> Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

> 1209 Centre Turnpike

> PO Box 217

> Orwigsburg, PA 17961

> 570-366-2613 phone

> 570-366-2618 fax

> www.bmfchiro.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The powder gets into your blood stream immediately where a capsule has to be

broken down before your body gets to use the ascorbate. So, if you are trying

to stop a cold, the powder works best. I bought Whole Foods ascorbate powder.

It works great. If you are sick you can take more than the package tells you to

take. Always drink it with a straw as it will erode the enamel on your teeth!

Murray, ASID

Murray Assoc/TaDA! design in a day

1705 Gum Street

San Mateo, CA 94402

650 577-0703

tadadzn@...

[Guest guest]

There is a good description of all forms vitamin C at

this link.

http://www.nutri.com/prices/whchc.html#aac

Now Foods is a reputable brand and www.iherb.com has

excellent prices on these bulk powders. AA is around

$26 for 3lbs. If you can't handle acidity Cacium

Ascorbate is safer. www.thecatalog.com sells all NOW

Foods brand items, which contain many supplements in

powder form at very good prices.

[Guest guest]

Buddy,

You mentioned Megafood. I have been looking for a better multi

vitamin and someone else recommended Megafood brand. I looked at the

ingredients just now. The amounts of vitamins/minerals etc. are very

low - is that because they are from a more natural state? Would that

also mean that they are equally potent (if not more so) to another

brand that shows higher amounts but the ingredient is not taken from

a natural source?

Would you happen to know if the Nature's Way Alive multi compares to

the Megafood? I would think the megafood is better but would love to

hear your thoughts.

Thank you so so much,

Tina

> > >

> > > Is this more potent than vitamin C capsules? I am currently

taking

> > > 1000 mg capsults but thought maybe of switching to the powder.

Is

> > > there a good brand out there that one might recommend?

> > >

> > > Tina

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > --

> > Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

> > Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

> > 1209 Centre Turnpike

> > PO Box 217

> > Orwigsburg, PA 17961

> > 570-366-2613 phone

> > 570-366-2618 fax

> > www.bmfchiro.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm not an expert in nutrition by any means, but here's my understanding.

The labels on supplements show the amounts of what the FDA considers

vitamins and minerals. For instance, the example here with Vitamin C. FDA

says vitamin C = ascorbic acid. In reality, vitamin C is made up of several

components. So, if a whole food supplement has a formula with the whole

vitamin C in it, say 100 mg of it, but only 5 mg of that is in the form of

ascorbic acid, then only 5 mg can go on the label. If anyone here knows

anything different, please let me know. I'm partially going off what I've

heard from a few different sources.

So, it's not all about how much of an isolated part of a synthetic nutrient

you can get in the body. When your body uses these nutrient complexes, they

use the whole thing, not just one part. So, if you are pumping one part of

that nutrient, you body has to get the rest of it somewhere (from food, from

stores in the body, etc.), and because of that, you can create imbalances by

taking high doses of isolated parts of vitamin complexes. A loose example

of this is with B-complex, if you take too much B6, you can create problems

with other parts of the B-complex. Specifically I think it's B12, but my

mind's not quite working at 100% this morning.

Anyway, because of what I have described above, that's why I am convinced

that people are much better off getting their nutrition out of foods first,

then using whole food supplements next, and if you really need a boost in

something specific, synthetic isolates. For instance, I take selenium along

with whey to help wth glutathione production. I also have a high dose

synthetic Vitamin D supplement that I will take throughout the winter.

Actually, I may even look at my Standard Process line and see if they have

formulas that offer those two nutrients in whole food form.

Buddy

On 11/17/07, Tina Chapek <teenee65@...> wrote:

>

> Buddy,

>

> You mentioned Megafood. I have been looking for a better multi

> vitamin and someone else recommended Megafood brand. I looked at the

> ingredients just now. The amounts of vitamins/minerals etc. are very

> low - is that because they are from a more natural state? Would that

> also mean that they are equally potent (if not more so) to another

> brand that shows higher amounts but the ingredient is not taken from

> a natural source?

>

> Would you happen to know if the Nature's Way Alive multi compares to

> the Megafood? I would think the megafood is better but would love to

> hear your thoughts.

>

> Thank you so so much,

>

> Tina

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Is this more potent than vitamin C capsules? I am currently

> taking

> > > > 1000 mg capsults but thought maybe of switching to the powder.

> Is

> > > > there a good brand out there that one might recommend?

> > > >

> > > > Tina

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

> > > Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

> > > 1209 Centre Turnpike

> > > PO Box 217

> > > Orwigsburg, PA 17961

> > > 570-366-2613 phone

> > > 570-366-2618 fax

> > > www.bmfchiro.com

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I agree with Buddy that vitamins and their complements are used and

are usually available in groups in food, and that this mix is most

natural.

An approach I take that I think runs parallel to the objective is to

go ahead and supplement using a more potent form, and use some of the

vitamin's complement from other sources at the same time. By

structuring our supplement intake like that we can avoid the issue of

whether supplements may be less effective if they are taken in

quantity from a purified source.

Vitamin C is a good example because you probably need extra grams; I

use two or three, well beyond what I'd eat in my meals. The bottle

can't claim nutritional weight beyond the ascorbic acid, but it lists

that it contains rose hips, a nice bioflavonoid complement. I take it

with food that will have additional cofactors, to take advantage of

the fact these things work together.

Duncan

> > > > >

> > > > > Is this more potent than vitamin C capsules? I am currently

> > taking

> > > > > 1000 mg capsults but thought maybe of switching to the

powder.

> > Is

> > > > > there a good brand out there that one might recommend?

> > > > >

> > > > > Tina

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

> > > > Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

> > > > 1209 Centre Turnpike

> > > > PO Box 217

> > > > Orwigsburg, PA 17961

> > > > 570-366-2613 phone

> > > > 570-366-2618 fax

> > > > www.bmfchiro.com

> > > >

> > > >