Re: Jarrow whey is not undenatured

[Guest guest]

Here's the information on Jarrow undenatured whey from the Jarrow

site:

http://www.jarrow.com/product.php?prodid=182

WHEY PROTEIN is a 100% natural protein concentrate of whey and is

ultrafiltered to be low in fat, lactose and carbohydrates. WHEY

PROTEIN is a rich source of glutamine-rich proteins. 51% of the

proteins found in whey are from BLG (Beta-Lactoglobulin), 20% of whey

is ALB (Alpha-Lactalbumin), 10% Immunoglobulin, 10% Albumin, and 7%

minor fractions.

These proteins ARE in fact the undenatured proteins that would be

broken by boiling. We know they are undenatured because they would be

broken and therefore not exist in denatured whey....

Put another way, nutritionist Brad King recommends " high-alpha " whey,

and this brand is 20% alpha-lactalbumin and also contains the other

glutahtione precursors.

I think whomever you spoke to at Jarrow either didn't know the

science or misinterpreted the question

Duncan

>

> FYI, I just learned from the manufacturer that Jarrow whey protein

is

> NOT undenatured. I know some people on this site have been using it

so

> I thought I'd let you know. Anyone want five pounds of denatured

> whey? ;-)

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan, here's the reply I got to my email to Jarrow asking if their

whey is undenatured:

Thank you for your e-mail inquiry to Jarrow Formulas. Our Whey

Protein is not undenatured. The milk used to make the whey is

pasteurized, and the material reaches 190F briefly during spray

drying.

Given that you are experiencing gas after taking whey, you may want

to try a different protein source such as rice, hemp, soy or goat.

Although whey is typically well tolerated, it may be that the product

is not appropriate for you personally.

Regards,

Tech Support

Jarrow Formulas,Inc

Jeez, if you can't trust the manufacturer, that's bad!

> >

> > FYI, I just learned from the manufacturer that Jarrow whey

protein

> is

> > NOT undenatured. I know some people on this site have been using

it

> so

> > I thought I'd let you know. Anyone want five pounds of denatured

> > whey? ;-)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

OK, what they think is that briefly pasteurizing according to the law

destroys all the glutathione-producing proteins, which isn't the

case.

What they've done is extracted the undenatured portion of the whey

from the total. This is common practice to preserve and concentrate

the specific fractions they mention on the label, which do not exist

at all if they are denatured, which means broken at the fragile

sulfide:sulfide bonds. The fractions that are mentioned and thus,

must appear in the product in the rations given, are the exact

proteins we are looking for that enter the body to make glutathione.

The undenatured fractions we are looking for (fractions that produce

glutathione)--(with selenium)-- are serum albumin, alpha-lactalbumin,

beta-lactoglobulin, and lactoferrin. These are given along with their

percentages on the Jarrow label. If they didn't exist they could not

appear on the label.

If anyone wants to look at other wheys, the method is detailed at the

bottom of my whey page:

http://tinyurl.com/cuzcc

I hope this makes the science more clear

regards,

Duncan

> > >

> > > FYI, I just learned from the manufacturer that Jarrow whey

> protein

> > is

> > > NOT undenatured. I know some people on this site have been

using

> it

> > so

> > > I thought I'd let you know. Anyone want five pounds of

denatured

> > > whey? ;-)

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I wrote to Fonterras, the dairy wholesale suppliers to the

commercially available whey producers. Mad cow & other diseases got

everyone worried, so the bulk whey is produced from pasteurised milk.

With a disabled child to care for I had to leave work and so am broke.

I have to decide whether to have our electricity disconnected or keep

buying whey but if the whey comes from boiled milk then the sacrifice

is not worthwhile.

So I'd asked about this before and now it seems like whey made from

pasteurized milk is no good after all????

Rose

on 12/4/07 7:04 PM, j.bedwell at jim@... wrote:

We use qc 1 low temperature ultra filtered whey protein Isolate and

concentrate (instantised) from fontera. You might have to enquire with

them regarding cysteine. I can tell you the levels of amino acids and

protein fractions. We have no artificial sweetners in our products.

Regards

Jim Bedwell

on 30/4/08 12:45 PM, nutritionexpress01 at info@...

wrote:

I have been in touch with someone at EAS - the only information I

could obtain was that the whey is pasteurised prior to having the whey

extracted. There is a 2 year shelf life on the EAS whey, and many

other companies put a 3 year shelf life on their products, and the

only way products can have such a long shelf life is if the product is

pasteurised. The Whey is defiantely un-denatured however.

I'm sorry that I couldn't be of more help than this,

Kind regards,

e Drummond

Director, Nutrition Express

info@...

0800 www.nex <http://www.nex> (0800 999 639)

www.nex.co.nz <http://www.nex.co.nz>

> > >

> > > FYI, I just learned from the manufacturer that Jarrow whey

> protein

> > is

> > > NOT undenatured. I know some people on this site have been using

> it

> > so

> > > I thought I'd let you know. Anyone want five pounds of denatured

> > > whey? ;-)

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi JB,

Marketeers in this forum give false info, reign strong & have perseverance.

Trick/trap & exploit gentlemanliness of forum members.

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JB wrote:

> Duncan, here's the reply I got to my email to Jarrow asking if their

> whey is undenatured:

>

> Thank you for your e-mail inquiry to Jarrow Formulas. Our Whey

> Protein is not undenatured. The milk used to make the whey is

> pasteurized, and the material reaches 190F briefly during spray

> drying.

> Given that you are experiencing gas after taking whey, you may want

> to try a different protein source such as rice, hemp, soy or goat.

> Although whey is typically well tolerated, it may be that the product

> is not appropriate for you personally.

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Tech Support

> Jarrow Formulas,Inc

[Guest guest]

Medmidas is aiming at me as usual, and as usual he/she hasn't got

his/her facts

I'm not sure anyone on this list does sell the subject of the thread

he/she jumped in on, the Jarrow whey. In any case, the arguments I

made are supported by facts of science and practice that apply to

other wheys as well, and many have benefited. All you have to do is

read the label language and a bit of the science as I've outlined at

the bottom of this page:

http://tinyurl.com/cuzcc

Like JB says, you can buy whatever undenatured whey you like, just

get it right for the most benefit

Duncan

> > Duncan, here's the reply I got to my email to Jarrow asking if

their

> > whey is undenatured:

> >

> > Thank you for your e-mail inquiry to Jarrow Formulas. Our Whey

> > Protein is not undenatured. The milk used to make the whey is

> > pasteurized, and the material reaches 190F briefly during spray

> > drying.

> > Given that you are experiencing gas after taking whey, you may

want

> > to try a different protein source such as rice, hemp, soy or

goat.

> > Although whey is typically well tolerated, it may be that the

product

> > is not appropriate for you personally.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> > Tech Support

> > Jarrow Formulas,Inc

>

[Guest guest]

Ok...

On 8/11/08 6:24 PM, " Rose " <atautahi@...> wrote:

> Hi, my posts aren't making it to the list. Can you please pass this on to

> someone?

>

> Thanks!

>

> ===========

>

> Hi all,

>

> Ok finally found a container of undenatured whey & locally produced in New

> Zealand.

> http://creativeenergy.co.nz/sports/library/?actionis=initiate & category=29 & su

> b=78 & - session=energy:7A39DC501b0d82AB61WrH356CB79

>

> Problem is it costs $83 for 750 g weight pack, which is enough for 15 50 gram

> servings. Each serving contains 45 g total protein and BCAAs for L-Glutamine

> is 5000mg/5g with Taurins at 2000mgs/ 2g

>

> I am costing it out and wonder how much BCAA's I'd need daily because if it's

> only going to provide 15 servings, then meat at NZ prices is way cheaper.

> Lamb shoulder chops being just under $10 a kg & fresh rump steak $12 kg

> compared to $5.53 per single serve of non-denatured whey.

>

> Do we need to have so much BCAA's, or is it useless to halve the servings to

> make it more affordable?

>

> The other un-denatured NZ whey costs $55 for 20 servings in an 800 g weight

> pack, with each 40g weight serving containing 28g protein.

> http://www.punchsupplements.co.nz/supplements/leppin-sport-pro4-protein.html

>

> There are so many cheaper brands but they're confusing & not all confirm one

> way or another whether they're non-denatured. I know the NZ made brands come

> from Fonterra which (?flash) pasteurizes all fresh milk in line with the legal

> requirements. http://www.fonterra.com

>

> I don't know if the cheaper brands are worthwhile or not but I darn well

> cannot afford to find $83 just for 15 serves if it's only going to last the

> young fella a week. My weekly food budget per week for both of us is well

> below that because we aren't earning due to the boy being disabled.

>

> What do I do folks?

>

> Anyone?

>

>

> Rose

>

>

>>>>

>>>>> FYI, I just learned from the manufacturer that Jarrow whey protein is NOT

>>>>> undenatured. I know some people on this site have been using it so I

>>>>> thought I'd let you know. Anyone want five pounds of denatured whey? ;-)

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can field this one. A query about Branched Chain amino acids

relates to body building and not glutathione increase. For

glutathione increase we're interested in not the BCAAs but the bonded

cysteine-containing peptides. These are listed at the bottom of my

whey page http://tinyurl.com/whey-page

Some of the cheaper brands are worthwile for glutathione increase and

in fact that's what most everybody is using. Even with shipping from

the USA to NZ you should be able to half your undenatured whey cost

by buying US product in a 5-10lb container.

Duncan

> >

> >> OK, what they think is that briefly pasteurizing according to

the law

> >> destroys all the glutathione-producing proteins, which isn't the

case.

> >>

> >> What they've done is extracted the undenatured portion of the

whey from the

> >> total. This is common practice to preserve and concentrate the

specific

> >> fractions they mention on the label, which do not exist at all

if they are

> >> denatured, which means broken at the fragile sulfide:sulfide

bonds. The

> >> fractions that are mentioned and thus, must appear in the

product in the

> >> rations given, are the exact proteins we are looking for that

enter the body

> >> to make glutathione.

> >>

> >> The undenatured fractions we are looking for (fractions that

produce

> >> glutathione)--(with selenium)-- are serum albumin, alpha-

lactalbumin,

> >> beta-lactoglobulin, and lactoferrin. These are given along with

their

> >> percentages on the Jarrow label. If they didn't exist they could

not appear

> >> on the label.

> >>

> >> If anyone wants to look at other wheys, the method is detailed

at the bottom

> >> of my whey page: http://tinyurl.com/cuzcc

> >>

> >> I hope this makes the science more clear

> >>

> >> regards,

> >>

> >> Duncan

[Guest guest]

I take Immunopro, which I buy from immunesupport.com. It's undenatured

and not a body-building product. I've also tried ImuPlus and it was

good but you have to put in in liquid so it's messier than Immunopro,

which you can put in liquid or just eat, the " portions " are smaller

and it tastes decent.

Vicky

>

> I can field this one. A query about Branched Chain amino acids

> relates to body building and not glutathione increase. For

> glutathione increase we're interested in not the BCAAs but the bonded

> cysteine-containing peptides. These are listed at the bottom of my

> whey page http://tinyurl.com/whey-page

>

>

[Guest guest]

just testing. According to my inbox, nobody has posted fr two days.

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: Jarrow whey is not undenatured

candidiasis

Received: Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 8:39 AM

I can field this one. A query about Branched Chain amino acids

relates to body building and not glutathione increase. For

glutathione increase we're interested in not the BCAAs but the bonded

cysteine-containing peptides. These are listed at the bottom of my

whey page http://tinyurl. com/whey- page

Some of the cheaper brands are worthwile for glutathione increase and

in fact that's what most everybody is using. Even with shipping from

the USA to NZ you should be able to half your undenatured whey cost

by buying US product in a 5-10lb container.

Duncan

> >

> >> OK, what they think is that briefly pasteurizing according to

the law

> >> destroys all the glutathione- producing proteins, which isn't the

case.

> >>

> >> What they've done is extracted the undenatured portion of the

whey from the

> >> total. This is common practice to preserve and concentrate the

specific

> >> fractions they mention on the label, which do not exist at all

if they are

> >> denatured, which means broken at the fragile sulfide:sulfide

bonds. The

> >> fractions that are mentioned and thus, must appear in the

product in the

> >> rations given, are the exact proteins we are looking for that

enter the body

> >> to make glutathione.

> >>

> >> The undenatured fractions we are looking for (fractions that

produce

> >> glutathione) --(with selenium)-- are serum albumin, alpha-

lactalbumin,

> >> beta-lactoglobulin, and lactoferrin. These are given along with

their

> >> percentages on the Jarrow label. If they didn't exist they could

not appear

> >> on the label.

> >>

> >> If anyone wants to look at other wheys, the method is detailed

at the bottom

> >> of my whey page: http://tinyurl. com/cuzcc

> >>

> >> I hope this makes the science more clear

> >>

> >> regards,

> >>

> >> Duncan

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[Guest guest]

Thank you!

The dearer NZ produced stuff we found had " un-denatured " on the label but

everyone else

says theirs is undenatured too. Only problem is I cannot get Fonterra to say

what temp

they pasteurise the whole milk at before processing into the bulk whey products

on-sold

to the health food companies. The healthfood manufacturers claim they use cold

processing BUT source whey from Fonterra.

A USA coy FitnessLabs.com supply our local gym with 908 g (2 lb) containers of

concentrate & isolate for roughly $60 ea with enough for 28 servings @ 33g

weight. Their

website also states they're non-denatured with glutathione precursers, and

" glycomacropeptides not found in ion-exchange whey products "

" Alpha-lactalbumin denatures at 150-165 F. Beta-lactoglobulin denatures at

160-165 F.

Million dollar equipment is used to prevent denaturing and ensure low

temperature drying.

Important nutritional components are preserved and the globular structure of the

protein

is prevented from unfolding into random structures. The result - 98% undenatured

protein. " http://www.nutritionexpress.com/article+index/brands/fitness+labs/

I guess we have to believe what they say.

All I know is $83 for 15 servings of the NZ labelled, " non-denatured " product is

far too

much. Our lean NZ grass-fed beef & lam meat budget per week in this country for

both of

us, is only half of that cost.

Thanks again!

Rose

> > >

> > >> OK, what they think is that briefly pasteurizing according to

> the law

> > >> destroys all the glutathione-producing proteins, which isn't the

> case.

> > >>

> > >> What they've done is extracted the undenatured portion of the

> whey from the

> > >> total. This is common practice to preserve and concentrate the

> specific

> > >> fractions they mention on the label, which do not exist at all

> if they are

> > >> denatured, which means broken at the fragile sulfide:sulfide

> bonds. The

> > >> fractions that are mentioned and thus, must appear in the

> product in the

> > >> rations given, are the exact proteins we are looking for that

> enter the body

> > >> to make glutathione.

> > >>

> > >> The undenatured fractions we are looking for (fractions that

> produce

> > >> glutathione)--(with selenium)-- are serum albumin, alpha-

> lactalbumin,

> > >> beta-lactoglobulin, and lactoferrin. These are given along with

> their

> > >> percentages on the Jarrow label. If they didn't exist they could

> not appear

> > >> on the label.

> > >>

> > >> If anyone wants to look at other wheys, the method is detailed

> at the bottom

> > >> of my whey page: http://tinyurl.com/cuzcc

> > >>

> > >> I hope this makes the science more clear

> > >>

> > >> regards,

> > >>

> > >> Duncan

>