Doing Better

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You cannot make a statement like this without explaining your reasons.

Explain please. Dee



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-- Re: Doing Better

It is ridiculous to assume that is what we are " meant " to eat. So much for

your weight loss, which can be done many ways. I have helped people reverse

HIV, HEP C, Cancer, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, MS and more IN FULL by

getting them on the healing, natural and detoxifying diet they were meant to

eat, no matter WHAT their ethnicity or blood type or any of that hoo ha.

That is why I point this out. But you are on your journey and will find out

for yourself what truly works. The Atkins diet is enzymeless, and is

destructive to the earth/environment as animal agriculture is the #1 threat

to the global warming that is melting the ice caps, etc. Want more Hurricane

Katrians? Tsunamis? Eat Atkins!

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I would agree also you need raw foods for the emzyes

>From: Bobcat4956@...

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: Re: Re: Doing Better

>Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:09:57 EDT

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>I happen to agree about the Atkins diet. SO many think more protein and

>meat helps candida. I disagree. Raw is key.

>

>Bill

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[Guest guest]

What diet do you recommend?

>

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> From: School Of Rawk

>

> Date: 07/13/07 16:03:44

>

> candidiasis

>

> Subject: Re: Doing Better

>

>

>

> It is ridiculous to assume that is what we are

> " meant " to eat. So much for

> your weight loss, which can be done many ways. I

> have helped people reverse

> HIV, HEP C, Cancer, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis,

> MS and more IN FULL by

> getting them on the healing, natural and detoxifying

> diet they were meant to

> eat, no matter WHAT their ethnicity or blood type or

> any of that hoo ha.

> That is why I point this out. But you are on your

> journey and will find out

> for yourself what truly works. The Atkins diet is

> enzymeless, and is

> destructive to the earth/environment as animal

> agriculture is the #1 threat

> to the global warming that is melting the ice caps,

> etc. Want more Hurricane

> Katrians? Tsunamis? Eat Atkins!

>

>

>

>

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>

> I happen to agree about the Atkins diet. SO many think more

protein and

> meat helps candida. I disagree. Raw is key.

>

> Bill

===hi bob

i also seem to do better on a higher carb diet (low carb

veggies) rather than a high protein diet, could u share ur

experiences, im interested

thanx joe

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hi

it isnt even necessary to eat an enzymless diet on the atkins or any

low carb diet, we eat raw butter, coconut oil, fermented raw fish, raw

liver, raw veggies etc.

i think eliminating a whole food group (except for medical reasons,

such as candida) is foolishness and imbalance

lv joe

[Guest guest]

I thought Atkins was one of the BEST things you could do to your

arteries, liver and more. What gives, RAWK?

Duncan

>

> Atkins is about the worst thing you can do for your arteries,

kidneys, liver and more. Symptom-free does not mean health. Please be

careful.

>

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[Guest guest]

a, I question your reference to cholesterol levels as an

indicator of health. It is not; see the well-referenced Cholesterol

Myths article at http://ravnskov.nu/ and have a look at the writer's

credentials.

Duncan

> >

> > But the Atkins diet promotes the ingestion of vegetables so how

> can this be

> > fibreless? I have a friend who followed this diet and was

healthy

> and very

> > fit. Dee

> >

> >Some veggies after a certain point, sure. It is still not a high

> fiber diet.

>

> REally? What was your friend's cholesterol level? Liver enzyme

> count? Among other tell-tale signs. Just athletic doesn't mean

> anything. Health is defined not by physical fitness, although that

> can be a factor. Fit people get cancer by the landslide. As do

other

> people who fancy themselves healthy for lack of illness. I totally

> question your friends level of health, I'm sorry. The Atkins diet

is

> acidic, hard on the liver, VERY hard on the kidneys, the arteries

> and heart, is lower fiber than the human body needs, can cause

colon

> disorders and other issues and more.

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe your soapbox is a bit small, Elaine, and your tone not strident

enough .

Duncan

>

> It is ridiculous to assume that is what we are " meant " to eat. So

much for your weight loss, which can be done many ways. I have helped

people reverse HIV, HEP C, Cancer, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, MS

and more IN FULL by getting them on the healing, natural and

detoxifying diet they were meant to eat, no matter WHAT their

ethnicity or blood type or any of that hoo ha. That is why I point

this out. But you are on your journey and will find out for yourself

what truly works. The Atkins diet is enzymeless, and is destructive

to the earth/environment as animal agriculture is the #1 threat to

the global warming that is melting the ice caps, etc. Want more

Hurricane Katrians? Tsunamis? Eat Atkins!

>

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[Guest guest]

HI Duncan, to add to this. I question that my consumption of eggs,

meat are the cause of the ice caps melting ;-) I had no idea i was

having such an impact on the world at large :-D

still it makes for an interesting discussion.

>

> a, I question your reference to cholesterol levels as an

> indicator of health. It is not; see the well-referenced Cholesterol

> Myths article at http://ravnskov.nu/ and have a look at the writer's

> credentials.

>

> Duncan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe,

I agree, the TRUE representation of the Atkins diet was presented by me

with a link in an earlier post which appeared to have been overlooked.

Absolutely the enzymes are readily consumed on this diet if one follows

it properly. Which outlines just the foods you mention. The link I

gave also talks about how the diet works, what results are achieved and

what it helps (heart disease being only one of them). Again, the

findings of Weston Price also back this diet up.

Lemons and tomatoes are also allowed on this candida diet...yet they

are " technically " a fruit. I have not yet heard of the exclusion of

vegetables...I eat loads of them, raw, stir fried, steamed, whatever.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I've seen enough testimonies

on the other group and heard from people here to know the diet works

for them.

> hi

>

> it isnt even necessary to eat an enzymless diet on the atkins or any

> low carb diet, we eat raw butter, coconut oil, fermented raw fish,

raw

> liver, raw veggies etc.

>

> i think eliminating a whole food group (except for medical reasons,

> such as candida) is foolishness and imbalance

>

> lv joe

>

[Guest guest]

MIght I add this link also

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html

>

> a, I question your reference to cholesterol levels as an

> indicator of health. It is not; see the well-referenced Cholesterol

> Myths article at http://ravnskov.nu/ and have a look at the

writer's

> credentials.

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

> > >

> > > But the Atkins diet promotes the ingestion of vegetables so how

> > can this be

> > > fibreless? I have a friend who followed this diet and was

> healthy

> > and very

> > > fit. Dee

> > >

> > >Some veggies after a certain point, sure. It is still not a high

> > fiber diet.

> >

> > REally? What was your friend's cholesterol level? Liver enzyme

> > count? Among other tell-tale signs. Just athletic doesn't mean

> > anything. Health is defined not by physical fitness, although

that

> > can be a factor. Fit people get cancer by the landslide. As do

> other

> > people who fancy themselves healthy for lack of illness. I

totally

> > question your friends level of health, I'm sorry. The Atkins diet

> is

> > acidic, hard on the liver, VERY hard on the kidneys, the arteries

> > and heart, is lower fiber than the human body needs, can cause

> colon

> > disorders and other issues and more.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I can tell you that I was on a high-carb, low-sugar, low-fat

diet for years and now have Candida. I felt really good at first but

had to be extremely strict about everything I ate with no to little

processed foods and as little sugars as possible. But, all my

digestive problems started not long after going on that type of

diet. I couldn't even eat raw veggies after a while as I just could

not digest them. Had big problems with diverticulitis. Now after

being on the Candida diet and eating a lot of meat, fats, etc, I can

eat veggies raw again with no problem. No more diverticulitis

problems either. I would not recommend a high-carb, low-fat diet it

to anyone.

Gail

> >

> > I happen to agree about the Atkins diet. SO many think more

> protein and

> > meat helps candida. I disagree. Raw is key.

> >

> > Bill

>

> ===hi bob

>

> i also seem to do better on a higher carb diet (low carb

> veggies) rather than a high protein diet, could u share ur

> experiences, im interested

>

> thanx joe

> >

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[Guest guest]

hi gail

i think people may have different requirements nutritionally, and

from experience i seem to do better if i eat alot of lightly steamed,

veggies and sauerkraut with each meal, for example for breakfast

a plate of broccoli with butter and coconut oil and 1 egg

dinner, raw fish, fats and again plate of broc, spinach, corriander

and tea, another plate of veg and a raw egg drink (two eggs) and some

tomatoes

so visually it looks higher carb but using fitday u can see most

calories coming from fat then protein then carbs, cos low carb

veggies are very low in calories.

whereas some people will do great almost eliminating carbs, i do not,

my experience with diet has led me to believe in metabolic typing by

Dr mercola, although i havent looked into it properly yet,

lv joe

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How Atkins died.

_http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/02/10/atkins.widow.ap/_

(http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/02/10/atkins.widow.ap/)

In a message dated 7/12/2007 10:09:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

cinders@... writes:

Atkins fell on ice and hit his head and died. He didn't die from his diet.

If you are eating 5 cups of veggies a day it is not fiberless, and once two

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I agree, there must be some misinformation about the atkins diet, he

promotes eating a wide variety of veggies, cooked and RAW and doesn't

neccessarily promote a HUGE amount of meat, it depends on the person

as to their requirements. And I believe saturated fats are good for

you, I was on a low fat diet and got sicker than ever before,

mentally and physically. THe diet is basically taking out sugars,

grains and fruits for a time then adding them back in slowly, sound

familiar, like the candida diet? Also, on bacon and sausages he

strongly suggests eating nitrate free and organic meats. His info

seems to go along with Weston Price and Dr. Abram Hoffer from what

I've seen.

I have Dr. Atkins' Vita-Nutrient Solution,

http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Atkins-Vita-nutrient-Solution-

/dp/0743429974/ref=sr_1_1/105-9114644-3044409?

ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1184422457 & sr=1-1

And have found it an invaluable reference to vitamins, minerals,

herbs, etc, ect,ect, all natural solutions to ailments most mds would

perscribe drugs for. He believes beneficial bacteria to be one of

the most important additions to health and well-being. and as for

enzymes, he's all for them.

I do believe we are all different and some people do very well on a

vegetarian diet but some of us do much better eating meat.

[Guest guest]

//> I agree with you, Duncan. All of the research I have done over the

years leads me to believe that a low-carb. high natural fat diet is

optimal as human nutrition. My favorite reference is 'Life Without

Bread.' The proof is certainly in that pudding. Natural fats are not

the culprit -- it's mainly the carbs, certainly sugar (be it fruit,

honey, or from the cane), and rancid-prone new-age poly oils, among

other things.

Cheers,

J

> >

> > Atkins is about the worst thing you can do for your arteries,

> kidneys, liver and more. Symptom-free does not mean health. Please be

> careful.

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

hi joe

i agree with what you have said. if i don't eat lots of vegs with the

fat and mod protein i get very tired whereas i know others who the

higher the good fats the better they feel and they eat vegs but not a

huge mat. problem with being this way is on a candida diet we have to

eat a huge amt of vegs which can be a pain to prep and i get full

quickly but then am hungry again 2h later.

monique

hi gail

i think people may have different requirements nutritionally, and

from experience i seem to do better if i eat alot of lightly steamed,

veggies and sauerkraut with each meal, for example for breakfast

a plate of broccoli with butter and coconut oil and 1 egg

dinner, raw fish, fats and again plate of broc, spinach, corriander

and tea, another plate of veg and a raw egg drink (two eggs) and some

tomatoes

so visually it looks higher carb but using fitday u can see most

calories coming from fat then protein then carbs, cos low carb

veggies are very low in calories.

whereas some people will do great almost eliminating carbs, i do not,

my experience with diet has led me to believe in metabolic typing by

Dr mercola, although i havent looked into it properly yet,

lv joe

[Guest guest]

--- School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk@...> wrote:

> Once again, please watch the documentary EATING at

> www.ravediet.com. Your ethnicity does not prevail

> over your digestion and artery type, both of which

> thrive on less animal intake than the Atkins diet,

> Chinese or not. You can lose 140lbs doing many

> different things, it doesn't mean you are healthier,

Hi,

I listed a lot of health benefits besides losing 140

pounds (isn't that benefit enough? I couldn't do that

on a high carb diet!).

I'm not sure if you saw it or not, but again I

reversed my prediabetes condition, put my psoriasis in

remission, have tons of energy, reversed my arthritis,

dropped 50 points each on cholesterol and BP (both of

which are normal now) and many other benefits. I pass

all lab tests with flying colors.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

380/240/180

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[Guest guest]

--- School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk@...> wrote:

> It is ridiculous to assume that is what we are

> " meant " to eat. So much for your weight loss, which

> can be done many ways. I have helped people reverse

> HIV, HEP C, Cancer, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis,

Well I don't have cancer, hep c or HIV, but I did

reverse my pre-diabetic condition and arthritis, so

I'm not sure how this is different?

> MS and more IN FULL by getting them on the healing,

> natural and detoxifying diet they were meant to eat,

> no matter WHAT their ethnicity or blood type or any

> of that hoo ha. That is why I point this out. But

Let me ask, what sort of diet do you recommend? I'm

all for organic, whole foods, but I'm also a big fan

of Paleo.

> you are on your journey and will find out for

> yourself what truly works.

Like I said, I think what I am doing DOES work, or at

least it's worked so far and shown great evidence in

that direction when looking at my lab work. How can

you say I will find out what truly works with the

results I've had?

> The Atkins diet is

> enzymeless, and is destructive to the

I don't have any issues with my digestion though.

> earth/environment as animal agriculture is the #1

> threat to the global warming that is melting the ice

> caps, etc. Want more Hurricane Katrians? Tsunamis?

> Eat Atkins!

I tend to be a little selfish when it comes to my

health, and I figure there's enough people filliing

themselves with wheat that I offset some of them. I'm

not really sure how eating meat melts the ice caps

though.

That seems like a non sequitor to me. But from what I

understand fields where wheat is planted become devoid

of nutritients very quickly. Whereas animals provide

source for fertilizer.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

380/240/180

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[Guest guest]

==--hi monique

yeah ur the same as me, i get hungry two hours after eating a plate of

veg as well, even when i eat lots of fat with it, i have bees egg drink

in between sometimes to beat the hunger. preparation is a pain but

inevitable only until we're healed

lv joe

- In candidiasis , Sauve <moniquesauve@...>

wrote:

>

> hi joe

>

> i agree with what you have said. if i don't eat lots of vegs with the

> fat and mod protein i get very tired whereas i know others who the

> higher the good fats the better they feel and they eat vegs but not a

> huge mat. problem with being this way is on a candida diet we have to

> eat a huge amt of vegs which can be a pain to prep and i get full

> quickly but then am hungry again 2h later.

>

> monique

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi debby

what do you mean by pre diabetes? what symptoms did you have and how

long did they take to go away following the diet you do?

thanks

monique

Hi,

I listed a lot of health benefits besides losing 140

pounds (isn't that benefit enough? I couldn't do that

on a high carb diet!).

I'm not sure if you saw it or not, but again I

reversed my prediabetes condition, put my psoriasis in

remission, have tons of energy, reversed my arthritis,

dropped 50 points each on cholesterol and BP (both of

which are normal now) and many other benefits. I pass

all lab tests with flying colors.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

380/240/180

[Guest guest]

hi joe

doesn't the egg drink make you feel really tired? it does me. i get so

tired i just want to sleep. think it is too much fat for me. how long

have you been on this diet? what are your symptoms? do you do the whey

protein selenium and inulin? do you take probiotics?

thanks

monique

==--hi monique

yeah ur the same as me, i get hungry two hours after eating a plate of

veg as well, even when i eat lots of fat with it, i have bees egg drink

in between sometimes to beat the hunger. preparation is a pain but

inevitable only until we're healed

lv joe

- In candidiasis <mailto:candidiasis%40>,

Sauve <moniquesauve@

....>

wrote:

>

> hi joe

>

> i agree with what you have said. if i don't eat lots of vegs with the

> fat and mod protein i get very tired whereas i know others who the

> higher the good fats the better they feel and they eat vegs but not a

> huge mat. problem with being this way is on a candida diet we have to

> eat a huge amt of vegs which can be a pain to prep and i get full

> quickly but then am hungry again 2h later.

>

> monique

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

There's a couple of indicators for pre-diabetes. The

HGBA1C reading is one indicator. Anything about a 6.0

is considered diabetic, and I was 5.9! Last time I

checked I was 5.2.. normal reading.

My fasting blood glucose levels were not as high, at

98 (above 110 is diabetic range I believe) but now

they are 78.

Some of the symptoms I had were ravenous hunger,

severe cravings, difficulty with eating even modest

amounts of carbs or even something that tasted sweet

with no carbs (like stevia).

I still find I have to follow a low carb diet but I

don't have ravenous hunger or cravings anymore. I

took my lab tests shortly before starting this diet,

and then 1 year after starting the diet, and then

again 6 months later, and all my lab tests are great.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

380/239/180

--- Sauve <moniquesauve@...> wrote:

> hi debby

>

> what do you mean by pre diabetes? what symptoms did

> you have and how

> long did they take to go away following the diet you

> do?

>

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[Guest guest]

That's funny Debby, because I have a fasting sugar reading of 6.7 and my

doctor told me I am pre diabetic. They say it should be under six really,

so that is conflicting information isn't it? I don't get any symptoms at all

no thirst no cravings, although I do get tired but put that down to being

overweight. The doc didn't seem bothered about it except to say that I

should cut out sweet stuff, which I don't eat that much of anyway. Dee

    -- 

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-- Re: Re: Doing Better

Hi ,

There's a couple of indicators for pre-diabetes. The

HGBA1C reading is one indicator. Anything about a 6.0

Is considered diabetic, and I was 5.9! Last time I

Checked I was 5.2.. Normal reading.

My fasting blood glucose levels were not as high, at

98 (above 110 is diabetic range I believe) but now

They are 78.

[Guest guest]

--- Dee <dee@...> wrote:

> That's funny Debby, because I have a fasting sugar

> reading of 6.7 and my

> doctor told me I am pre diabetic. They say it

> should be under six really,

> so that is conflicting information isn't it?

I believe that most doctors do not use HGBA1C as a

marker, but rather use fasting blood sugars. My

mother and grandmother are/were diabetic and I'm sure

I was well on my way there. I still have to limit

even my veggies to avoid too much sugar.

> I don't

> get any symptoms at all

> no thirst no cravings, although I do get tired but

> put that down to being

> overweight. The doc didn't seem bothered about it

> except to say that I

> should cut out sweet stuff, which I don't eat that

> much of anyway. Dee

Well I do don't eat those things anymore and I have

TONS of energy.. I actually have a hard time sleeping

or sitting still most of the time. I attribute some

of that to the coconut oil though for sure.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

380/238/180

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The chief cause of failure and unhappiness is trading what you want most for

what you want now. -- Zig Ziglar

New group! Curing Candida:

curingcandida/

My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/