Guest guest Posted March 1, 1999 Report Share Posted March 1, 1999 Everybody , After my ordeal this past weekend I am doing a lot better, I got some PABA and calsium,magnesium and staying on the copper and all the others I mentioned before. I woke up this morning with no goiter at all I was shocked. But after the day went on it came back slowly and in the afternoon I was extermaly tired. My heart rate is coming down also. Thanks for the help. Raven ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Hello all. I've been real quiet here, but I read a lot. I'm not even sure if I ever introduced myself. I've been having big time trouble with yeast infections since I was about 18 (I am 45). They have just gotten worse all the time. I get them constantly. My discoveries are that I get them right before and during my period, and also it depends highly on what I eat. If I eat chocolate or sugar or anything " bad " for me, I get one darn near immediately. Eating yogurt doesn't help so much, but when I get one, if I insert it like Monastat, it helps a LOT. I also put in a little acidulpholus into the yogurt before I insert it. I know while I was on the South Beach diet, I very rarely got one, but I did much better during phase one. So two weeks ago, I started Atkins. I am also " dieting " for weightloss and I stalled so I switched to lower carbs. I know I need it. Anyway, I have not had any discomfort, no itching, burning, nothing. I just started my period, and I have just the slightest itching now and then, but really feel so much better. It's truly amazing what food will do to a person and how changing what you are eating does to help. It's also amazing how doctor's don't know any of this. And it's rather really annoying that they can't help you. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Atkins is about the worst thing you can do for your arteries, kidneys, liver and more. Symptom-free does not mean health. Please be careful. --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Why is this? They tell you to eat meat, vegetables (except potatoes) eggs, cheese, butter etc., what is wrong with this? Dee  <'Tis not right, a woman going into such places by herself. " Granny nodded. She thoroughly approved of such sentiments so long as there was, of course, no suggestion that they applied to her.> -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) -- Re:Doing Better Atkins is about the worst thing you can do for your arteries, kidneys, liver and more. Symptom-free does not mean health. Please be careful. --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 If you are doing Atkins the right way, it isnt much different than the Candida diet. In fact, it has a little more variety. You still add in foods in a couple of weeks just like you do on the Candida diet. It isn't no carb. You even start with 20 NET carbs a day and most of those should be in veggies. I was looking at the Candida diet food list last night and there isn't a heck of a lot of difference. Carol > > > Atkins is about the worst thing you can do for your arteries, kidneys, liver and more. Symptom-free does not mean health. Please be careful. > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Please do your homework. When information such as " Aktins is the worst thing.... " is presented with no supporting references, and contradicted by so many people who are doing exceptionally well on such a diet (including myself), I personally would view that information with a great deal of skepticism. Vegetables, meats, and fish are actually the most nutritionally DENSE foods on the planet, as well as the foods our bodies have been thriving on for the vast majortiy of human history. Here is an excellent article from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition which is relevant to this issue: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/81/2/341 Near the end are charts showing the relative nutritional density of several different food groups. Look at the data, then decide for yourself. > > Why is this? They tell you to eat meat, vegetables (except potatoes) eggs, > cheese, butter etc., what is wrong with this? Dee > >  > > <'Tis not right, a woman going into such places by herself. " Granny nodded. > She thoroughly approved of such sentiments so long as there was, of course, > no suggestion that they applied to her.> > > -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) > > -- Re:Doing Better > > > > Atkins is about the worst thing you can do for your arteries, kidneys, liver > and more. Symptom-free does not mean health. Please be careful. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 " Symptom free does not mean health " ....what exactly does it mean? If someone's symptoms have improved or disappeared on a programme, surely this means it is correcting deficiencies so the body is able to become " symptom free " . Symptoms are signs the body gives us when we are in trouble. What a bonus if a programme clears that up. I do not agree that Atkins is the worst thing someone can do. I have been on a similar programme and if anything it has aided me. I had heart problems when I was eating little to not fat, and the only oil I did consume was the hardened vegetable oil type (the typical advocated oils of today). I began to get pains up my left arm, almost paralysed, plus being light headed. That ended once I went on a programme that incorporated nutrient dense foods and healthy fats. Haven't had an issue since. Not to say I never will, but for me at this stage, this programme works. I have butter everyday, virgin coconut oil, fish oil, fat on meat (with the meat). I do not see how a person can do an antiyeast diet, and remove proteins and fats at the sametime. For me I would starve and be miserable. I have tried it and it does not work. I was lacking in nutrients and became paler, thinner and miserable and my skin worsened also. Once I incorporated plenty of eggs and meats and good fats, I filled out, felt more satisfied and seemed to improve my bile flow. Began to salivate again and actually showed more interest in food. That to me indicated that my body was receiving more of what it needed. > > Atkins is about the worst thing you can do for your arteries, kidneys, liver and more. Symptom-free does not mean health. Please be careful. > > > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Atkins has a whole chapter on candida. Luv, Debby San , CA 380/240/170 --- Carol Parsons <cinders@...> wrote: > If you are doing Atkins the right way, it isnt much > different than the Candida diet. In fact, it has a > little more variety. You still add in foods in a > couple of weeks just like you do on the Candida > diet. It isn't no carb. You even start with 20 NET > carbs a day and most of those should be in veggies. > I was looking at the Candida diet food list last > night and there isn't a heck of a lot of difference. > Carol ------------- Search others for their virtues, thyself for thy vices -- lin New group! Curing Candida: curingcandida/ My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 a, I happen to agree with you about the Atkins diet. I eat a lot of raw vegetables and seem to do better that way. Bill ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I strongly agree that symptom-free does not mean real healing. After suffering greatly with candida-related issues in my teens and early 20's, I lived largely " symptom-free " for years by being careful with my diet. But eventually I was to learn that this was far from true healing. Degenerative processes were at work undetected by me, and now 20 years later, in my late 40's I know that the candida and related imbalances were still present and had been all along. There are many things that treat symptoms and make people feel better, pharmaceuticals for example, but that is not the same as healing the most basic causes of the disease and aging. There are many examples of this...... but that's all I've got time for right now :-) ~ Re:Doing Better " Symptom free does not mean health " ....what exactly does it mean? If someone's symptoms have improved or disappeared on a programme, surely this means it is correcting deficiencies so the body is able to become " symptom free " . Symptoms are signs the body gives us when we are in trouble. What a bonus if a programme clears that up. I do not agree that Atkins is the worst thing someone can do. I have been on a similar programme and if anything it has aided me. I had heart problems when I was eating little to not fat, and the only oil I did consume was the hardened vegetable oil type (the typical advocated oils of today). I began to get pains up my left arm, almost paralysed, plus being light headed. That ended once I went on a programme that incorporated nutrient dense foods and healthy fats. Haven't had an issue since. Not to say I never will, but for me at this stage, this programme works. I have butter everyday, virgin coconut oil, fish oil, fat on meat (with the meat). I do not see how a person can do an antiyeast diet, and remove proteins and fats at the sametime. For me I would starve and be miserable. I have tried it and it does not work. I was lacking in nutrients and became paler, thinner and miserable and my skin worsened also. Once I incorporated plenty of eggs and meats and good fats, I filled out, felt more satisfied and seemed to improve my bile flow. Began to salivate again and actually showed more interest in food. That to me indicated that my body was receiving more of what it needed. > > Atkins is about the worst thing you can do for your arteries, kidneys, liver and more. Symptom-free does not mean health. Please be careful. > > > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 > > Atkins has a whole chapter on candida. > > > There is no right way to do Atkins. Please check out THE CHINA STUDY, the largest study on nutrition in the world. As well, spend $12 on the documentary EATING which can save your life, at www.ravediet.com. Honestly, candida is nothing next to what Atkins will do to you. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I've always done the best on Atkins, felt the best, had the best test results. I had lost 60 pounds in 5 months, had great results on my cholesterol tests, had my doctor praise me, had great energy. I think so many people get the wrong idea about it. It really is NOT about eating a pound of bacon for breakfast, 2 pounds of hamburger for lunch, and a giant round steak for dinner. I eat a lot of chicken, low fat meats, veggies. I make a lot of salads, make my own desserts. I eat better now than I did when I was not on a " diet " , and truthfully, I was looking at the foods to eliminate yeast and it wasnt a whole lot different. I feel good, have a lot of energy, losing weight again (I had gained some over the winter), and my doctor is happy with my last test results. I don't have heart burn or anything. My family are all on Adkins and they have had great results. I think it's all in the way someone does it right. So many people come into the plan thinking it's okay to eat nothing but fatty meats, no veggies, foods that are not healthy for you, never add in healthy carbs, and that is NOT the way the plan is laid out. They just never read what the book or go to the website. At the website, they have " classes " you can take to learn a lot about nutrition and exercise and other things. I think people that don't learn about it or don't do it " right " give the plan a bad reputation. I just know that for me, it's the best thing I can do for myself, and I feel so much better for it. Carol > > > a, > > I happen to agree with you about the Atkins diet. I eat a lot of raw > vegetables and seem to do better that way. > > Bill > > ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 I believe there is possibly some misinformation out there on the Atkins diet. Here is a link that may show it in the light it deserves. http://www.newstarget.com/001363.html Let us also not forget the work of Dr Weston Price who has studied cultures around the world (the healthiest) and discovered what their diets consisted of....interesting that he is an advocate of proteins and healthy fats...(not forgetting vegetables). Often it is about what KINDS of fats and what kinds of protein and where the source is coming from. E.g. advocating bacon/sausages with nitrates is not a good thing for anybody. But there is nothing wrong with organic meats and eggs and the right fats that have nourished people for centuries. I believe that it's mainly about balance. That all these foods have hteir place. I do not believe that grains and fruits are wise for anybody suffering yeast problems. They maybe fine for someone not suffering candida. I know of dentists who now help their patients get on a proper diet with more proteins and fats to help them heal from mercury toxicity problems. Again the RIGHT kinds of proteins and fats, but not forgetting vegetables. I do not see these as being the evil they are being made out to be. Rather I find them healing foods. > > > > > Atkins has a whole chapter on candida. > > > > > > There is no right way to do Atkins. Please check out THE CHINA STUDY, > the largest study on nutrition in the world. As well, spend $12 on the > documentary EATING which can save your life, at www.ravediet.com. > Honestly, candida is nothing next to what Atkins will do to you. a > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 I *have* done my homework, which is why I asked the poster their reason for saying the diet is the worst thing! I want to know why she thinks this. Dee  <'Tis not right, a woman going into such places by herself. " Granny nodded. She thoroughly approved of such sentiments so long as there was, of course, no suggestion that they applied to her.> -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) -- Re:Doing Better Please do your homework. When information such as " Aktins is the worst thing .... " is Presented with no supporting references, and contradicted by so many people who are Doing exceptionally well on such a diet (including myself), I personally would view that Information with a great deal of skepticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 > > a, > > I happen to agree with you about the Atkins diet. I eat a lot of raw > vegetables and seem to do better that way. > > Bill > > > >Thanks for the opportunity to point out that the Atkins diet is virtually FIBERLESS, another disease-causing problem. Then there's the extreme ACIDITY (acid PH), which is the foundation for disease. Atkins dropped dead for pete's sakes. Then there is Braggs, surfing in his nineties, and Norman , fixing the roof at 100 and some odd years. Hmmm. Who do I want to listen to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 But the Atkins diet promotes the ingestion of vegetables so how can this be fibreless? I have a friend who followed this diet and was healthy and very fit. Dee  <'Tis not right, a woman going into such places by herself. " Granny nodded. She thoroughly approved of such sentiments so long as there was, of course, no suggestion that they applied to her.> -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) -------Original Message------- > > > >Thanks for the opportunity to point out that the Atkins diet is Virtually FIBERLESS, another disease-causing problem. Then there's the Extreme ACIDITY (acid PH), which is the foundation for disease. Atkins Dropped dead for Pete's sakes. Then there is Braggs, surfing in His nineties, and Norman , fixing the roof at 100 and some odd Years. Hmmm. Who do I want to listen to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 > > But the Atkins diet promotes the ingestion of vegetables so how can this be > fibreless? I have a friend who followed this diet and was healthy and very > fit. Dee > >Some veggies after a certain point, sure. It is still not a high fiber diet. REally? What was your friend's cholesterol level? Liver enzyme count? Among other tell-tale signs. Just athletic doesn't mean anything. Health is defined not by physical fitness, although that can be a factor. Fit people get cancer by the landslide. As do other people who fancy themselves healthy for lack of illness. I totally question your friends level of health, I'm sorry. The Atkins diet is acidic, hard on the liver, VERY hard on the kidneys, the arteries and heart, is lower fiber than the human body needs, can cause colon disorders and other issues and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Hi a, Personally the diet I follow is probably closest to an anti-candida version of Atkins. I started out slowly over a period of a year, and then have been doing the anti-candida version now for almost 2 years. My doctor's have been skeptical so I had all of my blood work done regularly. I pass every test with flying colors. Some of my results: - Weight loss of 140 pounds - 60 to go - Huge increase in energy levels - Total Remission of my psoriasis - 50 points drop in BP to low-normal - 50 points drop in cholesterol to low-normal with all ratios excellent - Reversal of pre-diabetic conditions (HGBA1C from a 5.9 to a 5.2 and fasting BS of 79) - TSH went from 3.7 to 1.7 (not really sure why or what that means but I'll take it) This is all eating 75-80% of my calories in saturated fat.. mainly cocout oil and fatty red meat. And I feel like a million bucks. Just wanted to share my experience.. Luv, Debby San , CA 380/240/180 --- a <schoolofrawk@...> wrote: > REally? What was your friend's cholesterol level? > Liver enzyme > count? Among other tell-tale signs. Just athletic > doesn't mean > anything. Health is defined not by physical fitness, > although that > can be a factor. Fit people get cancer by the > landslide. As do other > people who fancy themselves healthy for lack of > illness. I totally > question your friends level of health, I'm sorry. > The Atkins diet is > acidic, hard on the liver, VERY hard on the kidneys, > the arteries > and heart, is lower fiber than the human body needs, > can cause colon > disorders and other issues and more. ------------- Search others for their virtues, thyself for thy vices -- lin New group! Curing Candida: curingcandida/ My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Atkins fell on ice and hit his head and died. He didn't die from his diet. If you are eating 5 cups of veggies a day it is not fiberless, and once two weeks goes by, you add back in berries, whole grain. The first two weeks, you still get 20 net carbs which is almost all in veggies. It is not a 0 carb, 0 fiber diet. > > > > > > > a, > > > > I happen to agree with you about the Atkins diet. I eat a lot > of raw > > vegetables and seem to do better that way. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > >Thanks for the opportunity to point out that the Atkins diet is > virtually FIBERLESS, another disease-causing problem. Then there's the > extreme ACIDITY (acid PH), which is the foundation for disease. Atkins > dropped dead for pete's sakes. Then there is Braggs, surfing in > his nineties, and Norman , fixing the roof at 100 and some odd > years. Hmmm. Who do I want to listen to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My book: Mystery at Eagle Harbor Lighthouse www-wingsepress.com Coming in October: The Winchester Mystery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 --- a <schoolofrawk@...> wrote: > > There is no right way to do Atkins. Please check > out THE CHINA STUDY, > the largest study on nutrition in the world. As > well, spend $12 on the > documentary EATING which can save your life, at > www.ravediet.com. > Honestly, candida is nothing next to what Atkins > will do to you. a Hi a, My ancestors are European, not Chinese, so I have doubts that their diet would be good for me anyways. I also already know and have monitored what a diet like that does to my appetite, my blood sugars, my moods, my energy levels, and more. I have a 140 pound weight loss and lab tests (before and after) that show that this diet is making me healthier. There are also studies that show that low carb is quite healthy. I think probably everyone has various ratios that work best for them, and some to better with much less carbs than others. I don't really have any interest in reading that book because my own results are conclusive and to me nothing short of phenomenal, considering that nothing else worked. I asked for my doctors help and he recommended weight loss surgery. Luv, Debby San , CA 380/240/180 ------------- Search others for their virtues, thyself for thy vices -- lin New group! Curing Candida: curingcandida/ My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 I agree. Vegetables are fibrous and just addressing a here. I heard you bring up Bragg? (who got hit on the head by a surfboard and died) are you aware that he referred to vegetables as an intestinal broom? Because they are so fibrous. I have his books at home and read through them all and highly impressed. However, my condition has deteriorated signicantly to where his advice now tends to cause problems with me. My yeast issues are not as easily controlled, so I cannot live on fruits and other high carb foods. I believe his programme is excellent in the respect that it clears a person out, and fasting can be very helpful also, but I believe he is lacking in certain factors. Proteins from animal foods are extremely healing, filling and help to build up, and are what I have relied upon since being so ill with yeast. Along with the healthy fats which are very healing. Bad fats of courses should be avoided. I am all for a balanced diet (biblically centered) of meats, eggs, vegetables, fruit, grains, nuts/legumes, yoghurt, honey, olive oil, coconut oil, butter, fish, etc. This to me is an ideal diet. But unfortunately, it is not ideal for a bad yeast situation which needs strict dietry adherence in order to gain more control. Later things can be added back. In fact, I remember when I was always pretty constipated and ate grains and fruit but didn't go in for vegetables. I upped the vegetables, began to have some of them raw and never had another issue with constipation...still dont and I have a lot of meat and eggs...I tried to get back into fruits and grains but my condition deteriorates. I listen to my body and frankly I find Dr Weston Price's advice outdoes just about anything I have come across yet. I do not believe meats, eggs and fats are the enemies they are being made out to be and according to his findings, they are quite the opposite. I believe there is a heck of a lot of misrepresentation out there. I believe that the wrong types of meats are the problem, sugars, white flour, bad fats/trans fats, etc. > > If you are eating 5 cups of veggies a day it is not fiberless, and try asking most of us how we do on them. > > Atkins fell on ice and hit his head and died. He didn't die from once two weeks goes by, you add back in berries, whole grain. The first two weeks, you still get 20 net carbs which is almost all in veggies. It is not a 0 carb, 0 fiber diet. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 So you are saying that meat, veggies some cheese, eggs etc., are hard on the heart, liver and all the rest? How? This is what we are *meant* to eat! Atkins does *not* tell you to eat sausages, bacon etc., by the ton, this is just the way some people interpret it. My friend was certainly *not* an athlete either! She was a very overweight unfit person, who when she went on the Atkins diet, lost four stone, and for the first time in her life, went swimming and did water aerobics, because at last, she actually had the energy. After the first few weeks she was allowed fruit also. Her cholesterol levels were actually very low; 4.5 or so, not that I think this is any indication of health, but she also has low blood sugar as well, which *is* good. And for me, by the way, high fibre is disastrous! Dee  <'Tis not right, a woman going into such places by herself. " Granny nodded. She thoroughly approved of such sentiments so long as there was, of course, no suggestion that they applied to her.> -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) -------Original Message------- From: a REally? What was your friend's cholesterol level? Liver enzyme Count? Among other tell-tale signs. Just athletic doesn't mean Anything. Health is defined not by physical fitness, although that Can be a factor. Fit people get cancer by the landslide. As do other People who fancy themselves healthy for lack of illness. I totally Question your friends level of health, I'm sorry. The Atkins diet is Acidic, hard on the liver, VERY hard on the kidneys, the arteries And heart, is lower fiber than the human body needs, can cause colon Disorders and other issues and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I happen to agree about the Atkins diet. SO many think more protein and meat helps candida. I disagree. Raw is key. Bill ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Once again, please watch the documentary EATING at www.ravediet.com. Your ethnicity does not prevail over your digestion and artery type, both of which thrive on less animal intake than the Atkins diet, Chinese or not. You can lose 140lbs doing many different things, it doesn't mean you are healthier, --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 It is ridiculous to assume that is what we are " meant " to eat. So much for your weight loss, which can be done many ways. I have helped people reverse HIV, HEP C, Cancer, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, MS and more IN FULL by getting them on the healing, natural and detoxifying diet they were meant to eat, no matter WHAT their ethnicity or blood type or any of that hoo ha. That is why I point this out. But you are on your journey and will find out for yourself what truly works. The Atkins diet is enzymeless, and is destructive to the earth/environment as animal agriculture is the #1 threat to the global warming that is melting the ice caps, etc. Want more Hurricane Katrians? Tsunamis? Eat Atkins! --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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