RE: Re: Problems with coconut oil.

[Guest guest]

The same raction to coconut oil happens to me. I'm glad Im not alone.

On 5/10/07, adam_antics34 <adam_antics34@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Keen,

>

> Thanks. Yeah it could be a genuine allergy. I know that many

> healing foods can cause allergy type symptoms when they are actually

> healing you, but my reaction to the VCO seems a little more. Ive

> already stopped taking it, so im going to see how I go.

>

> If I get better, I might try again and if the same thing happens and

> doesn't let up after a while. I think that'll be the finish with me

> and coconut oil. Its hard because the other group are fully into it

> and it's a big part of the programme and any symptoms you get are put

> down to die off (which ok perhaps it is, I dont know). But it sure

> doesnt feel like die off.

>

> >

> > Hi Adam

> >

> > It is possible you are allergic to it. I find that some things

> that are

> > supposed to be good for me make me really sick, and I usually put it

> > down to a food sensitivity or allergy.

> >

> > If it makes you really ill, I'd stop it.

> >

> > Keen

> >

> > Problems with coconut oil.

> >

> > Hi, I keep having problems when I start using this stuff. I keep

> > beign told it's die off. Yet when I have it, I feel like Ive been

> > cheating on my diet. I crave the stuff as well. I eat it and stop

> > making progress. Not only does progress stop, I feel myself

> > regressing. It is not a sensation of die off whatsoever. I

> regress

> > and I stay on it but dont improve.

> >

> > I dont know what to think. I have gotten severe nausea and vomited

> > with it before too.

> >

> > If this is healing, why does it not feel like that? Normally when

> I

> > get worse from healing, I can tell it's a healing crisis. This is

> > just different. Is it actually good for candida? or is there a

> > problem here? I heard one guy has been taking it for a year or so

> > and he's permanently sick, making no progress at all. Im starting

> to

> > have my doubts about the stuff.

> >

> > Maybe it's too powerful and Im not ready for it, but it sure dont

> > feel like die off. It's sickly and grotty, no headaches, no herx

> type

> > sensations, just revolting like candida. Can anyone tell me why?

> >

> > thanx

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Adam

You should rather trust your own body. Die off should not last for an

enormously long time. No longer than 3 months, anything more is not die

off.

It's very easy to have an allergic reaction to foods - the nonsense that

you can't be allergic to something that is good for you is nonsense. My

brother-in-law will die if he has the herb basil - that's very good for

you, but not if you are allergic, or even sensitive. I was told that my

inability to handle animal fat was a healing reaction - no! If I

listened to that, I would be dead by now! Trust your body, it will tell

you.

Keen

Problems with coconut oil.

>

> Hi, I keep having problems when I start using this stuff. I keep

> beign told it's die off. Yet when I have it, I feel like Ive been

> cheating on my diet. I crave the stuff as well. I eat it and stop

> making progress. Not only does progress stop, I feel myself

> regressing. It is not a sensation of die off whatsoever. I

regress

> and I stay on it but dont improve.

>

> I dont know what to think. I have gotten severe nausea and vomited

> with it before too.

>

> If this is healing, why does it not feel like that? Normally when

I

> get worse from healing, I can tell it's a healing crisis. This is

> just different. Is it actually good for candida? or is there a

> problem here? I heard one guy has been taking it for a year or so

> and he's permanently sick, making no progress at all. Im starting

to

> have my doubts about the stuff.

>

> Maybe it's too powerful and Im not ready for it, but it sure dont

> feel like die off. It's sickly and grotty, no headaches, no herx

type

> sensations, just revolting like candida. Can anyone tell me why?

>

> thanx

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Adam

I'd agree with you, stop the coconut oil and maybe try it out if you are

stronger (and in much smaller doses). I read (after I went through it,

unfortunately) that if die off is too strong it can cause problems with

the liver as it ultimately has to process all the toxins that are being

released. You don't want to stress your liver or it will make healing

much slower and less pleasant!

I trust my body above any person on earth. I can tell what is doing me

harm and what isn't, no matter what someone else says. We are all so

different that we must all find our own paths to wellness.

Keen

Re: Problems with coconut oil.

Hi Keen,

well I must admit, I haven't been on the coconut oil as long as 3

months, maybe I'm being a bit premature. However, I figure that if

it is a healing reaction at this stage, it's possibly beyond what I

can handle. Either way, I think I should give it a break and see. I

dont wish to continue to push myself to consume something when I am

not sure enough of what it's doing to me.

Yeah I recall your problem with fats now and exactly, if you " push

on " cause youre being told its healing, its actually being

irresponsible when you can sense something is badly wrong. Good

thing you listened to your body.

>

> Hi Adam

>

> You should rather trust your own body. Die off should not last for

an

> enormously long time. No longer than 3 months, anything more is

not die

> off.

>

> It's very easy to have an allergic reaction to foods - the nonsense

that

> you can't be allergic to something that is good for you is

nonsense. My

> brother-in-law will die if he has the herb basil - that's very good

for

> you, but not if you are allergic, or even sensitive. I was told

that my

> inability to handle animal fat was a healing reaction - no! If I

> listened to that, I would be dead by now! Trust your body, it will

tell

> you.

>

> Keen

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Adam, I think you hit upon it here. The issue you descibe is, in my

opinion, a fairly common occurance -- that the candida is never really

eradicated, but rather it's going through continual cycles of die-off and

growth at more or less the same time (YUCK!). I think I remember reading

that the dying yeast cells actually become food for the living organisms!

After all, that is the job of these kinds of organisms -- to consume and

recycle organic waste! And I believe another issue is that many of the

symptoms of candida that people call die-off are actually caused by food

intolerances that are due to leaky gut .

Many believe that the yeast organisims will quickly become resistant to any

given anti-fungal if it is taken for any length of time, hence the

popularity of " rotation " protocols for anti-fungals. My doctor even

discourages taking certain vitamins like B-complex and some minerals too,

while trying to kill the yeast, since the vitamins can actually support

yeast growth. And candida will always be found with parasites and other

infectious agents (viruses, harmful bacteria) to some degree, so using

something that is only an anti-fungal will probably not get the desired

long-term results.

Good luck!

~

Re: Problems with coconut oil.

>>>I have one idea. I wonder for people who have an ongoing problem

inside their body that maybe allowing for a certain amount of yeast

overgrowth to remain or keep flaring up, whether

certain " antifungals " act instead to cause issues, rather than heal

them. Like a continual ongoing cycle of die off, fighting a problem

that cannot really be totally eradicated due to an underlining

condition that is perhaps preventing full recovery from yeast. Then

if one takes antifungals, could this instead cause a cycle of

constant die off, to where those toxins are continally re-released

into the system thereby making the person more toxic in the process,

and overloading the gut and liver. Would this then not encourage

yeast to grow more at the sametime it's being killed due to ongoing

toxicity from it's own yeast toxins???

Just a thought. I know it sounds weird, but something is very

wrong. I'm bewildered by this issue with VCO.

[Guest guest]

Hello:

Perhaps in some way, VCO FEEDS CANDIDA. I wonder if that is possible?

Bonnie

Re: Problems with coconut oil.

I dont have issues digesting fat, I eat a lot of it. Butter, fat on

meat, olive oil, the lot. The digestive issues wtih coconut oil are

not ongoing, but it's more the feeling that I tend to regress when I

use it. It's the same feeling that I get when I'm off my candida

diet. But almost worse.

I really do not know why that should be. If it's die off, surely the

symptoms should be clearly die off??? Instead of feeling like I do when

Im off my diet?

I'm bewildered by it. Im put off the stuff now.

>

>

Maybe you have problems digesting that much fat. Have you tried taking

> lipase with it?

>

> >>>>

[Guest guest]

Coconut oil is VERY hard on the digestive system in some people. It can be

very irritating. ALOT of people with candida also have other environmental

toxicity issues as well, and must have detox issues addressed as well as gut

issues. I cannot take coconut oil for more than a few days.

Bill

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[Guest guest]

,

I would say the gas is definitely die-off, could be lots of organisms (i.e.

parasites) besides yeast dying from the VCO that will smell incredibly foul

for awhile. Usually it will get better after several weeks as long as you

are not encouraging new growth at the same time.

~

Re: Problems with coconut oil.

Logic tells me that VCO couldn't feed candida, but SOMETHING sure is feeding

it! Why

would I go from having practically NO gas for several weeks, then add back

the VCO and

start having gas again? Could this actually be die off? But that doesn't

make sense to me...I

have a large volume of foul gas again (methane! yuk!) and the only carbs I'm

eating are

from green veggies. This is the same reaction I used to get when I ate carbs

beforehand.

To make matters more confusing, my oral thrush seems to be getting better.

!!!?????

Guess I too will stop the VCO and see what happens.

[Guest guest]

No, that is not possible.

Most likely it is either die off or a food sensitivity/allergy.

Keen

Re: Re: Problems with coconut oil.

Hello:

Perhaps in some way, VCO FEEDS CANDIDA. I wonder if that is possible?

Bonnie

Re: Problems with coconut oil.

I dont have issues digesting fat, I eat a lot of it. Butter, fat on

meat, olive oil, the lot. The digestive issues wtih coconut oil are

not ongoing, but it's more the feeling that I tend to regress when I

use it. It's the same feeling that I get when I'm off my candida

diet. But almost worse.

I really do not know why that should be. If it's die off, surely the

symptoms should be clearly die off??? Instead of feeling like I do

when

Im off my diet?

I'm bewildered by it. Im put off the stuff now.

>

>

Maybe you have problems digesting that much fat. Have you tried taking

> lipase with it?

>

> >>>>

[Guest guest]

Can you try taking just the active constituent of Coconut Oil via capsule?

That is what I do, I can't stomach the tatee of it, makes me gag, so I've

been taking Monolaurin capsules.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Blog ~ http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

~One can always be kind to people about whom one cares nothing.~

-- Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891

> Logic tells me that VCO couldn't feed candida, but SOMETHING sure is

> feeding

> it! Why

> would I go from having practically NO gas for several weeks, then add back

> the VCO and

> start having gas again? Could this actually be die off? But that doesn't

> make sense to me...I

> have a large volume of foul gas again (methane! yuk!) and the only carbs

> I'm

> eating are

> from green veggies. This is the same reaction I used to get when I ate

> carbs

> beforehand.

> To make matters more confusing, my oral thrush seems to be getting better.

> !!!?????

> Guess I too will stop the VCO and see what happens.

>

[Guest guest]

, I was going to suggest the same thing. I LOVE this supplement

called Colixen - lauric acid & sialic acid. Check it out:

http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=6321

I use VCO to cook with and in some recipes, but it is too hard for me to

digest in large quantities for sure (even though I do eat a fair amount of

fat otherwise). I think I had my fill of it when I lived in a raw food

community, and they used it in so many recipes. Got to where it gagged me

after awhile!

~

Re: Re: Problems with coconut oil.

>>>Can you try taking just the active constituent of Coconut Oil via

capsule?

That is what I do, I can't stomach the tatee of it, makes me gag, so I've

been taking Monolaurin capsules.

Best,

[Guest guest]

What are the other ingredients for?

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Blog ~ http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

~One can always be kind to people about whom one cares nothing.~

-- Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891

> , I was going to suggest the same thing. I LOVE this supplement

> called Colixen - lauric acid & sialic acid. Check it out:

> http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=6321

> I use VCO to cook with and in some recipes, but it is too hard for me to

> digest in large quantities for sure (even though I do eat a fair amount of

> fat otherwise). I think I had my fill of it when I lived in a raw food

> community, and they used it in so many recipes. Got to where it gagged me

> after awhile!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't have time to look it up right now (I'm moving!), but I did research

a bit previously -- I know the sialic acid has something to do with removing

viruses & other infectious agents from the body. If you google sialic acid

there are several informative references. There is another active

ingredient too which I didn't look up and don't know off hand (ricinoleic

acid). So maybe if someone else wants to check it out, let us know! The

sailic acid is in the form of something called mucin, you can look that up

too, but like it sounds, it helps coat the mucusal (sp?) lining of the

intestines and other mucus membranes apparently. The formula is essentially

an anti-inflamatory, and very soothing if you have dysbiosis. ~ at least

that would be my layperson's description!

~

Re: Re: Problems with coconut oil.

What are the other ingredients for?

Best,

http://www.Chestnut <http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com> HillDesigns.com

Blog ~ http://shellyct. <http://shellyct.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/

~One can always be kind to people about whom one cares nothing.~

-- Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891

> , I was going to suggest the same thing. I LOVE this supplement

> called Colixen - lauric acid & sialic acid. Check it out:

> http://www.illnessi

<http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=6321>

soptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=6321

> I use VCO to cook with and in some recipes, but it is too hard for me to

> digest in large quantities for sure (even though I do eat a fair amount of

> fat otherwise). I think I had my fill of it when I lived in a raw food

> community, and they used it in so many recipes. Got to where it gagged me

> after awhile!

[Guest guest]

Great advice , I did not know that it came in capsule form. I will

have to check my local health food store for it.

Audrey McCaffrey~

Wellness Coach

audrey_m@...

www.audrey.advancingwithus.com

Re: Re: Problems with coconut oil.

Can you try taking just the active constituent of Coconut Oil via capsule?

That is what I do, I can't stomach the tatee of it, makes me gag, so I've

been taking Monolaurin capsules.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Blog ~ http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

~One can always be kind to people about whom one cares nothing.~

-- Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891

> Logic tells me that VCO couldn't feed candida, but SOMETHING sure is

> feeding

> it! Why

> would I go from having practically NO gas for several weeks, then add

back

> the VCO and

> start having gas again? Could this actually be die off? But that doesn't

> make sense to me...I

> have a large volume of foul gas again (methane! yuk!) and the only carbs

> I'm

> eating are

> from green veggies. This is the same reaction I used to get when I ate

> carbs

> beforehand.

> To make matters more confusing, my oral thrush seems to be getting

better.

> !!!?????

> Guess I too will stop the VCO and see what happens.

>