Re: SPLENDA IS NOT SPLENDID!

[Guest guest]

I agree it's probably not good for you but I for one use a little

most days because it's in one of my wheys. When you read it, the

actual data is less scary than the fearful-sounding article. Did the

Splenda article work in DDT and Aspartame? Red herrings yes?

Duncan

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> SPLENDA IS NOT SPLENDID!

> http://www.wnho.net/splenda.htm

> By Bowen, M.D. © 2003

>

>

> In a simple word you would just as soon have DDT in your food as

Splenda,

> because sucralose is a chlorocarbon. The chlorocarbons have long

been famous for

> causing organ, genetic, and reproductive damage. It should be no

surprise,

> therefore, that the testing of sucralose, even at less than the

level demanded by

> FDA rules, reveals that it has been shown to cause up to 40%

shrinkage of the

> thymus: A gland that is the very foundation of our immune system.

It also

> causes swelling of the liver and kidneys, and CALCIFICATION of the

kidney.

>

> Lying and deceit on the artificial sweetener issue has been the

FDA's Modus

> Operandi ever since Rummsfeld broke everything decent in the

US

> government to put Aspartame on the market as a " contract on

humanity " . It has no

> commercial purpose other than a contract on humanity. Either they

have done but

> little testing of sucralose, or they are so afraid of what the

public would think

> of sucralose, and the government if the public but knew what was

going on,

> that they will not tell us! BECAUSE: we have been told nothing

about the

> extensive studies which would have to have been done if very

reasonable, and

> scientifically sound FDA rules had been followed.

>

> Such study results as have been made known, catches the company in

great big

> whopper lies! When questioned about the Thymus shrinkage which

would

> disqualify sucralose forever, by the FDA's own rules, the company

merely said. " Well

> the rats wouldn't eat the food with sucralose in it, so the thymus

lost weight

> from starvation. " The FDA allowed that explanation even though it

was an

> admission that the rats hadn't ingested the required amount of

sucralose, but had

> demonstrated immense damage anyway! In fact, if research animals

won't

> voluntarily eat the required dose of experimental substance it can

be given by gastric

> gavage, which is a common and well-known research method. Moreover,

the rats

> so fed were only 7-20% underweight Vs the average for the control

group. Rats

> who are severely starved to create a 30% weight loss, only shrink

their thymus

> by an average of 7%. The net conclusion from all this is, that both

the thymus

> shrinkage and the growth retardation caused by sucralose were

enough to in

> each case disqualify sucralose from the marketplace.

>

> All of these KNOWN findings only pointed out that the testing was

so flawed

> that it could never be used as a basis for approval on one hand,

and that the

> effects which were detected anyway were so severe that sucralose

should never

> be allowed into the human body. It should be classified right along

with DDT,

> and dioxin as illegal to even release into the environment much

less put into

> your body!

>

> The company blandly and heinously denied that sucralose is a

chlorocarbon.

> They stated that it was merely a salt, like sodium chloride! That

whopper

> wouldn't even get past a sophomore chemistry student. Facts, and

concern for human

> welfare are obviously irrelevant in our Bush dominated government,

and the

> Rummsfeld dominated media. What their incredulously lying

statements about what

> sucralose is, did bring to mind though, is that it flies in the

face of what its

> known breakdown product , 1, 6, dichloro, fructose, is: Another

highly toxic

> chlorocarbon. They admittedly did not do toxicity studies on it, as

FDA rules

> require, or perhaps the findings were so dangerous that they felt

it better to

> confess to the " minor omission " , of not even complying with the law

and doing

> the required studies! They further tried to side step the toxicity

issue by

> saying " Sucralose is not even absorbed from the digestive tract

anyway, because

> it is after all, a chlorocarbon. " : Another bold faced lie.

Chlorocarbons are

> significantly absorbed from the digestive tract and sucralose is no

exception!

> It is significantly absorbed from the GI tract. Of course, at that

point

> their lies had compounded and contradicted themselves.

>

> What you need to know about sucralose is that it is of a class of

compounds

> which places it amongst some of the most dangerous chemicals on

earth. The

> known studies, and science verify this fact. Lies and

dissimulations, which have

> been totally, and inexcusably left unchecked by the FDA, point to

gross

> governmental/corporate corruption, and massive cover up and peril.

They say " Oh, It's

> just made from sugar, what could be more natural and harmless. "

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Dr. Jim Bowen

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[Guest guest]

PROBABLY not good for you? Why would you buy a whey product that has splenda

in it when there are others that don't? If you like it sweeter then just add

stevia.

Tammy

In a message dated 9/18/2007 9:42:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,

duncancrow@... writes:

I agree it's probably not good for you but I for one use a little

most days because it's in one of my wheys. When you read it, the

actual data is less scary than the fearful-sounding article. Did the

Splenda article work in DDT and Aspartame? Red herrings yes?

Duncan

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[Guest guest]

So since it is in one of your wheys, and you sell it, I guess that

must mean it's ok to use?

>

> I agree it's probably not good for you but I for one use a little

> most days because it's in one of my wheys. When you read it, the

> actual data is less scary than the fearful-sounding article. Did the

> Splenda article work in DDT and Aspartame? Red herrings yes?

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

SPLENDA IS NOT SPLENDID!

In a simple word you would just as soon have DDT in your food as

Splenda

I wonder why these companies don't use Stevia in the diet drinks,

instead of the dangerous ones? I have drank diet coke for so long but

have been trying to quit drinking it for the past few months, always

going back to drinking " just one " . After reading this, NO MORE diet

coke! I had read a lot of negative things about splenda but this just

sunk in more. Thanks for the information!

Janie

[Guest guest]

>

> SPLENDA IS NOT SPLENDID!

I just wrote to the Coca-Cola Co. to ask them why they don't use

Stevia. Curious to find out why.

Janie

[Guest guest]

Probably because Stevia hasn't been approved by the FDA to be used in

diet soda.

> >

> > SPLENDA IS NOT SPLENDID!

>

> I just wrote to the Coca-Cola Co. to ask them why they don't use

> Stevia. Curious to find out why.

> Janie

>

[Guest guest]

Its all politics hon. Coca-Cola sold in Japan does have Stevia in it from what I've been told. Stevia is legal there and has been for over 30 years- but their sugar industry hit rock bottom when Stevia was allowed to be used.

Folks in the USA don't want that to happen here- they would much rather feed us poisons ( Aspertame, Splenda) because it makes them big bucks.

You CAN take matters into your own hands, by creating your own drinks ( Water Kefir, Kombucha, etc) and you can use Stevia in your own creations, you just can't buy them off the shelf that way.

Stevia is quite easily grown- am just about ready to harvest this years crop and the plants are good into the second year, altho the growth is not quite as robust as the first year. Its a pretty plant, not prone to bugs of any kind and dries quite nicely. Also very tasty to chew.

zoe

>

>> SPLENDA IS NOT SPLENDID!

> I just wrote to the Coca-Cola Co. to ask them why they don't use

> Stevia. Curious to find out why.

> Janie

> Send Message: iodine

> Iodine

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--- Irene <imclark@...> wrote:

> Janie,

>

> I've read that Coke has requested approval to use

> Stevia in some of

> their drinks. So, it may happen.

Personally I wouldn't care if they did use stevia, I

still wouldn't drink their products. I haven't had a

soda in about 4 years. There are just way too many

other chemicals and bad ingredients in soda.

Luv,

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Not to mention it ruins your pH levels.

Subject: Re: Re: SPLENDA IS NOT SPLENDID!

>> Personally I wouldn't care if they did use stevia, I

> still wouldn't drink their products. I haven't had a

> soda in about 4 years. There are just way too many

> other chemicals and bad ingredients in soda.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> How about you just not drink coke

> no nutritional value!

:-) Glad to hear my daughter (Amy) has listened to me on some health

issues. (Even if sometimes its " do as I say, not as I do " , as is the

case with that darn diet coke I drink! " I am proud of your healthy life

style, Amy!

Janie (Mom to you, Amy)

[Guest guest]

Tammy, A dose of Splenda is around as toxic as a cup of coffee or a

piece of toast, both of which have acrylamide in them, a far more

potent toxin and carcinogen.

My reason for using it is that even though the innuendo and fear from

the scary Splenda article sells some people, very little actual data

has materialized that absolutely damns it in sweetener doses. ANTI-

anything articles are usually similarly inconclusive. Sucralose

imposes a toxin load, sure, but it's only one of many toxins and

there's a lot more to be gained by reducing large sources of toxins

than tiny ones such as this one

Have you heard that about 97% of your dose of about 15 thousandths of

a gram is evacuated in several hours? That leaves a tiny amount to be

evacuated over then next day or so, and an even smaller amount to be

metabolized. I call it no big deal; others may disagree but I stand

on my record at this point of curing people depsite saddling them

with one more choice that might include using an artificially

sweetened food

Duncan

>

>

> PROBABLY not good for you? Why would you buy a whey product that

has splenda

> in it when there are others that don't? If you like it sweeter

then just add

> stevia.

>

> Tammy

>

>

> In a message dated 9/18/2007 9:42:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> duncancrow@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> I agree it's probably not good for you but I for one use a little

> most days because it's in one of my wheys. When you read it, the

> actual data is less scary than the fearful-sounding article. Did

the

> Splenda article work in DDT and Aspartame? Red herrings yes?

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Duncan,

what brand whey do you recommend?. i was at the health food store yesterday &

they were recommending jarrow's . is that any good or any siggestions?

thanks

shar

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

Tammy, A dose of Splenda is around as toxic as a cup of coffee or a

piece of toast, both of which have acrylamide in them, a far more

potent toxin and carcinogen.

My reason for using it is that even though the innuendo and fear from

the scary Splenda article sells some people, very little actual data

has materialized that absolutely damns it in sweetener doses. ANTI-

anything articles are usually similarly inconclusive. Sucralose

imposes a toxin load, sure, but it's only one of many toxins and

there's a lot more to be gained by reducing large sources of toxins

than tiny ones such as this one

Have you heard that about 97% of your dose of about 15 thousandths of

a gram is evacuated in several hours? That leaves a tiny amount to be

evacuated over then next day or so, and an even smaller amount to be

metabolized. I call it no big deal; others may disagree but I stand

on my record at this point of curing people depsite saddling them

with one more choice that might include using an artificially

sweetened food

Duncan

>

>

> PROBABLY not good for you? Why would you buy a whey product that

has splenda

> in it when there are others that don't? If you like it sweeter

then just add

> stevia.

>

> Tammy

>

>

> In a message dated 9/18/2007 9:42:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> duncancrow@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> I agree it's probably not good for you but I for one use a little

> most days because it's in one of my wheys. When you read it, the

> actual data is less scary than the fearful-sounding article. Did

the

> Splenda article work in DDT and Aspartame? Red herrings yes?

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's new at

http://www.aol.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

BINGO! The FDA did everything in its power to eliminate Stevia from the

American Market- It was banned for a period of 4 yrs. Prior to which

Celestial Seasonings and a few other companies were using it as an additive.

WHY because Stevia stands to bring the sweetener industry ( a multi-billion

dollar industry) to its knees as is what happened in Japan some 30 yrs ago.

You can bet your sweet patootee that the folks at Searles and other interested

parties did everything in their power to eliminate the competition.

Rest of story, after 4 long years the FDA had no choice but to allow it as a

food supplement- they refused to approve as a food additive on the grounds

that it had not been proven safe !!!!!! Totally ridiculous ! They can't

find one shred of evidence that its harmful- Tis all politics and as long as

the FDA and Big Pharma( who is actually in charge of the FDA now) are in

charge you can expect this sort of convoluted logic and all the more reason

for every one of us to take full responsibility for our own health care and food

safety because these folks could care less.

zoe

> Probably because Stevia hasn't been approved by the FDA to be used in

> diet soda.

>

>> >

>> > SPLENDA IS NOT SPLENDID!

>> I just wrote to the Coca-Cola Co. to ask them why they don't use

>> Stevia. Curious to find out why.

>> Janie

[Guest guest]

You CAN take matters into your own hands, by creating your own

drinks ( Water Kefir, Kombucha, etc) and you can use Stevia in

your own creations, you just can't buy them off the shelf that

way.

Stevia is quite easily grown- am just about ready to harvest this

years crop and the plants are good into the second year, altho the

growth is not quite as robust as the first year. Its a pretty

plant, not prone to bugs of any kind and dries quite nicely.

Also very tasty to chew.

zoe

Zoe,

I do drink a ton of water, I make Kefir from my raw milk and just

learning how to make Kombucha. I want to learn how to make coconut

Kefir next. I have bought Stevia and used it in drinks.

I would LOVE some information on where to get the Stevia

plants/seeds/tubers(?) and how to grow them. How did you ever get

info on growing them? How cool!

Thanks for any info on this.

Janie

[Guest guest]

http://www.stevia.net/growingstevia.htm You are on the right track to increasingly good health

Congratulations and keep up the good work.

zoe

> You CAN take matters into your own hands, by creating your own

> drinks ( Water Kefir, Kombucha, etc) and you can use Stevia in

> your own creations, you just can't buy them off the shelf that

> way.

> Stevia is quite easily grown- am just about ready to harvest this

> years crop and the plants are good into the second year, altho the

> growth is not quite as robust as the first year. Its a pretty

> plant, not prone to bugs of any kind and dries quite nicely.

> Also very tasty to chew.

> zoe

> Zoe,

> I do drink a ton of water, I make Kefir from my raw milk and just

> learning how to make Kombucha. I want to learn how to make coconut

> Kefir next. I have bought Stevia and used it in drinks.

> I would LOVE some information on where to get the Stevia

> plants/seeds/tubers(?) and how to grow them. How did you ever get

> info on growing them? How cool!

> Thanks for any info on this.

> Janie

> Send Message: iodine

> Iodine

[Guest guest]

Debby,

I agree with you 100%. I don't drink any form of soda. I gave it up

probably at least four years ago also. I consider it " poison in a can " .

Irene

>

>

> Personally I wouldn't care if they did use stevia, I

> still wouldn't drink their products. I haven't had a

> soda in about 4 years. There are just way too many

> other chemicals and bad ingredients in soda.

>

>

> Luv,

> Debby

> San , CA

>

[Guest guest]

Woops didn't realize my e-mail response was

automatically posted on the board

LOL

~Amy

--- janiebeau <JanieBea@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > How about you just not drink coke

> > no nutritional value!

>

> :-) Glad to hear my daughter (Amy) has listened to

> me on some health

> issues. (Even if sometimes its " do as I say, not as

> I do " , as is the

> case with that darn diet coke I drink! " I am proud

> of your healthy life

> style, Amy!

> Janie (Mom to you, Amy)

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm not Zoe, but I wanted to share my experience with stevia. I stumbled

acrossed a stevia plant this past spring at a greenhouse. On a whim, I bought

it and planted it in my gardent. It was amazing. It grew with no attention

whatsoever. In the late summer, I stripped the leaves from the stalks, dried

them in my oven with the light on, then used a " coffee grinder " to powder it.

It couldn't have been easier.

Terri

> Re: SPLENDA IS NOT SPLENDID!

> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:37:10 -0000

>

>

>

>

> You CAN take matters into your own hands, by creating your own

> drinks ( Water Kefir, Kombucha, etc) and you can use Stevia in

> your own creations, you just can't buy them off the shelf that

> way.

> Stevia is quite easily grown- am just about ready to harvest this

> years crop and the plants are good into the second year, altho the

> growth is not quite as robust as the first year. Its a pretty

> plant, not prone to bugs of any kind and dries quite nicely.

> Also very tasty to chew.

> zoe

>

> Zoe,

> I do drink a ton of water, I make Kefir from my raw milk and just

> learning how to make Kombucha. I want to learn how to make coconut

> Kefir next. I have bought Stevia and used it in drinks.

> I would LOVE some information on where to get the Stevia

> plants/seeds/tubers(?) and how to grow them. How did you ever get

> info on growing them? How cool!

> Thanks for any info on this.

> Janie

>

>

>

> Send Message: iodine

>

> Iodine

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm not Zoe, but I wanted to share my experience with stevia. I

stumbled acrossed a stevia plant this past spring at a greenhouse. On

a whim, I bought it and planted it in my gardent. It was amazing. It

grew with no attention whatsoever. In the late summer, I stripped the

leaves from the stalks, dried them in my oven with the light on, then

used a " coffee grinder " to powder it. It couldn't have been easier.

>

> Terri

Thank you for your info on this Terri! My mind has been like a sponge

lately, soaking up all I can get. :-)

[Guest guest]

>

> http://www.stevia.net/growingstevia.htm You are on the right

track to increasingly good health

> Congratulations and keep up the good work.

> zoe

Thank you for the website and info, Zoe!!

[Guest guest]

Stevia is wonderful and I have been growing it for 2 years now. Mine

came back this spring all over my herb garden but something really

terrible happened. I thought they were immune to insects also but

grasshoppers tore it totally up. They every last leaf and now I don't

have any for my sweetening. I will have to plant new in the spring

but it is worth the effort.

Lizzie

>

> Its all politics hon. Coca-Cola sold in Japan does have Stevia

in it from what I've been told. Stevia is legal there and has been

for over 30 years- but their sugar industry hit rock bottom when

Stevia was allowed to be used.

[Guest guest]

Thats odd, grasshoppers ate my comfrey and tons of other herbs but left my stevia untouched. Yes they do come back and with a vengeance LOL

zoe

> Stevia is wonderful and I have been growing it for 2 years now. Mine

> came back this spring all over my herb garden but something really

> terrible happened. I thought they were immune to insects also but

> grasshoppers tore it totally up. They every last leaf and now I don't

> have any for my sweetening. I will have to plant new in the spring

> but it is worth the effort.

> Lizzie

>

>> Its all politics hon. Coca-Cola sold in Japan does have Stevia

> in it from what I've been told. Stevia is legal there and has been

> for over 30 years- but their sugar industry hit rock bottom when

> Stevia was allowed to be used.

> Send Message: iodine

> Iodine

[Guest guest]

You need some chickens wandering around! With a couple of

extra chickens, we've never seen a grasshopper this year.

Few spiders either. Around this time of year we used to get

these huge cobwebs, but the spiders sort of disappeared.

Chooks are not vegetarians! The ducks took care of the slugs.

You just have to keep them out of the garden while the berries

are ripe.

--

On 9/19/07, Otto <godshealingchild@...> wrote:

> Stevia is wonderful and I have been growing it for 2 years now. Mine

> came back this spring all over my herb garden but something really

> terrible happened. I thought they were immune to insects also but

> grasshoppers tore it totally up. They every last leaf and now I don't

> have any for my sweetening. I will have to plant new in the spring

> but it is worth the effort.

>

> Lizzie

[Guest guest]

Janie & Amy,

You are both taking a class coming up very soon on fermented foods - you will be learning how to make your own Ginger Ale:o)

westonaprice.com

realmilk.com

[Guest guest]

Hey if you get the chance, (we only have a very slow 56k dial-up) have a look at

this folks

and make up your own minds.