Re: Does anyone else experience this after exercising?

[Guest guest]

Yes, one of the first things that effected me was my ability to workout. I would

workout and afterwords for a day or more would get sick like I had the flu. Be

overly weak, tired, sore throat sometimes, weak voice, need to laydown get lot

and lots of hot food. But even then just felt weak inside and out, like low

immune system weak. And I believe for me that is exactly what was happening.

When I work out especially weights, my body is going to have to commit resources

to rebuild the muscle fibers and replace all the glucose and fat cells I just

used up. And since my immune system was already working overtime to try and get

this candida crap out of my body, it just did't have enough troops to send

everywhere all at one time.

Its not likely systemic, although I'm not clear on what constitutes " systemic " .

Some will tell you that unless you are experiencing organ failure due to candida

its not systemic. I'm not sure I agree with that. Personally my candid is still

so bad that I get very ill if I even spill something like apple juice on my

skin, and can expect to have a yeast breakout in that spot later. So if thats

not systemic then I dont know.

I think most likely its your immune system working overtime and then when you

overload it more by demanding more from your body, its just too much for a

normal immune system to handle. Most likely you just need to build your immune

system with the probiotics and other things, perhaps antifungals also as an

allied force.

MJ

candidiasis@...: sonofdelbert@...: Thu, 20 Mar

2008 00:27:16 +0000Subject: Does anyone else experience this after

exercising?

Hi everyone,I'm fishing around again, trying to get some answers. My health

seemsto be great, except after any physical exertion. Then, for up to 48hrs, I

feel like I want to claw my brain out. I get tunnel vision,hot/cold body

temperature, rather severe brain fog, disorientation,irritability, depression,

dehydration, poor sleep, shallow breathing,and sinus congestion. Only after I

exercise! Aside from that, Igenerally feel good. The main reason I suspect a

Candida infection is because I was ontetracycline and eurythromycin to treat

acne when I was young, forover 2 years (not at the same time). Additionally,

these symptomsfirst set in following 2 different antibiotic prescriptions to

fight acase of strep throat that wouldn't go away. Before that, I was veryactive

and athletic. Now, I actually have to stay clear of any kind ofexercise if I

want to avoid a day or 2 of pure misery. It's been about7-8 years.I've tried to

treat for Candida a few times, but have been unable tostick with any program for

longer than 2-3 months.Does anyone else experience this after exercise? Could it

be asystemic Candida infection?Thanks in advance,Steve

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I just did, we are were it is warm, so thought I would ride my bike, I did

this twice and felt awful. into the next day. well I thought it was the

mold, I talked to my doctor, and she said

I just got the toxins going in my body. to go at it slower. I felt so

rotten, I have not done it

again.SJ

Does anyone else experience this after exercising?

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm fishing around again, trying to get some answers. My health seems

> to be great, except after any physical exertion. Then, for up to 48

> hrs, I feel like I want to claw my brain out. I get tunnel vision,

> hot/cold body temperature, rather severe brain fog, disorientation,

> irritability, depression, dehydration, poor sleep, shallow breathing,

> and sinus congestion. Only after I exercise! Aside from that, I

> generally feel good.

>

> The main reason I suspect a Candida infection is because I was on

> tetracycline and eurythromycin to treat acne when I was young, for

> over 2 years (not at the same time). Additionally, these symptoms

> first set in following 2 different antibiotic prescriptions to fight a

> case of strep throat that wouldn't go away. Before that, I was very

> active and athletic. Now, I actually have to stay clear of any kind of

> exercise if I want to avoid a day or 2 of pure misery. It's been about

> 7-8 years.

>

> I've tried to treat for Candida a few times, but have been unable to

> stick with any program for longer than 2-3 months.

>

> Does anyone else experience this after exercise? Could it be a

> systemic Candida infection?

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Steve

>

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[Guest guest]

Steve, some people experience a " crash " the day after exercising if

they no longer produce enough growth hormone (HGH) to recover.

This is the reason for the well known crash that people with

fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue have; at least a third of people

with FM/CFS have low growth hormone release.

Also, there's a amall chance that your immune system is stimulated

the first day and then your body has to deal with excess toxins the

second, like a die-off effect.

I'm not saying this is it in your case but it's worth looking at

particularly if you're a bit heavy across the middle, a dead giveaway

that your HGH release is suboptimal. It usually occurs in people over

50 or so, and in people on a high-carbohydrate diet, often along with

obesity but not always because some people's HGH release is naturally

low.

This sheet from an M.D. goes into chronic fatigue and also mentions

DHA omega-3 oil and Coenzyme Q-10 antioxidants:

http://soma.myvoffice.com/pdf/en/hyhu_2007_06_chronic_fatigue_syndrome

..pdf

Please make sure the link is copied entirely along with the .pdf or

use this tinyurl:

http://tinyurl.com/39bsn5

Have you been on the anti-candida protocol for long? Or any part of

it? CFS is also linked to low glutathione, the antioxidant that is

involved with immune response and toxicity, that we increase with

undenatured whey and selenium.

Duncan

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm fishing around again, trying to get some answers. My health

seems

> to be great, except after any physical exertion. Then, for up to 48

> hrs, I feel like I want to claw my brain out. I get tunnel vision,

> hot/cold body temperature, rather severe brain fog, disorientation,

> irritability, depression, dehydration, poor sleep, shallow

breathing,

> and sinus congestion. Only after I exercise! Aside from that, I

> generally feel good.

>

> The main reason I suspect a Candida infection is because I was on

> tetracycline and eurythromycin to treat acne when I was young, for

> over 2 years (not at the same time). Additionally, these symptoms

> first set in following 2 different antibiotic prescriptions to

fight a

> case of strep throat that wouldn't go away. Before that, I was very

> active and athletic. Now, I actually have to stay clear of any kind

of

> exercise if I want to avoid a day or 2 of pure misery. It's been

about

> 7-8 years.

>

> I've tried to treat for Candida a few times, but have been unable to

> stick with any program for longer than 2-3 months.

>

> Does anyone else experience this after exercise? Could it be a

> systemic Candida infection?

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Steve

>

[Guest guest]

That sounds similar to how I feel after exercise. I am taking some

good probiotics, but should probably get back on some kind of

antifungal routine.

Thanks!

Steve

>

>

> Yes, one of the first things that effected me was my ability to

workout. I would workout and afterwords for a day or more would get

sick like I had the flu. Be overly weak, tired, sore throat sometimes,

weak voice, need to laydown get lot and lots of hot food. But even

then just felt weak inside and out, like low immune system weak. And I

believe for me that is exactly what was happening. When I work out

especially weights, my body is going to have to commit resources to

rebuild the muscle fibers and replace all the glucose and fat cells I

just used up. And since my immune system was already working overtime

to try and get this candida crap out of my body, it just did't have

enough troops to send everywhere all at one time.

>

> Its not likely systemic, although I'm not clear on what constitutes

" systemic " . Some will tell you that unless you are experiencing organ

failure due to candida its not systemic. I'm not sure I agree with

that. Personally my candid is still so bad that I get very ill if I

even spill something like apple juice on my skin, and can expect to

have a yeast breakout in that spot later. So if thats not systemic

then I dont know.

>

> I think most likely its your immune system working overtime and then

when you overload it more by demanding more from your body, its just

too much for a normal immune system to handle. Most likely you just

need to build your immune system with the probiotics and other things,

perhaps antifungals also as an allied force.

> MJ

>

>

> candidiasis@...: sonofdelbert@...: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:27:16

+0000Subject: Does anyone else experience this after

exercising?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply. Do you know if there is a test one can take to

check these growth hormone levels? Or is it safe to just take them?

I am not on an anti-candida program right now, but I have been on a

few in the past. I've used things like garlic, grapefruit seed

extract, caprylic acid, bentonite, and I did a box and a half of

threelac most recently (by itself). I don't think I've ever lasted

more than 2-3 months on any given program, and haven't had much in the

way of results (although I think there was definitely some die-off

going on). As for glutathione levels, I did use immunopro whey for

awhile, but started experiencing my post-exercise symptoms without the

exercise! This is the only time I've experienced this, and so stopped

using it. I assumed the reaction was due to an allergic response to

the whey itself (dairy), or that heavy metals were moving around,

causing the brain fog.

Thanks again!

Steve

>

> Steve, some people experience a " crash " the day after exercising if

> they no longer produce enough growth hormone (HGH) to recover.

> This is the reason for the well known crash that people with

> fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue have; at least a third of people

> with FM/CFS have low growth hormone release.

>

> Also, there's a amall chance that your immune system is stimulated

> the first day and then your body has to deal with excess toxins the

> second, like a die-off effect.

>

> I'm not saying this is it in your case but it's worth looking at

> particularly if you're a bit heavy across the middle, a dead giveaway

> that your HGH release is suboptimal. It usually occurs in people over

> 50 or so, and in people on a high-carbohydrate diet, often along with

> obesity but not always because some people's HGH release is naturally

> low.

>

> This sheet from an M.D. goes into chronic fatigue and also mentions

> DHA omega-3 oil and Coenzyme Q-10 antioxidants:

> http://soma.myvoffice.com/pdf/en/hyhu_2007_06_chronic_fatigue_syndrome

> .pdf

>

> Please make sure the link is copied entirely along with the .pdf or

> use this tinyurl:

> http://tinyurl.com/39bsn5

>

> Have you been on the anti-candida protocol for long? Or any part of

> it? CFS is also linked to low glutathione, the antioxidant that is

> involved with immune response and toxicity, that we increase with

> undenatured whey and selenium.

>

> Duncan

>

>

[Guest guest]

; no, there's no reliable test for one's average growth hormone

levels without a dozen blood draws during the day because they swing

a lot. What the M.D.'s do is take a blood draw to measure baseline

level, give the HGH secretagogue like SomaLife gHP, then do blood

draws and measure levels 30, 60, and 90 minutes later to determine if

and how much the secretagogue has an effect. That's how they know the

HGH soundalikes do not provide the 30 ng/ml increase needed to build

lean tissue, recover, and repair.

SomaLife gHI is safe to take because when HGH rises to maximum

values, the body shuts off production until it falls again below 100%

of youthful values.

Wheys contain differing fractions, and some seem to " slam " the user

more than others. Perhaps though it's not high glutathione but a high

bovine beta-lactoglobulin reaction that causes it; I'm not sure

people can tell the diff between that and a healing response.

Duncan

> >

> > Steve, some people experience a " crash " the day after exercising

if

> > they no longer produce enough growth hormone (HGH) to recover.

> > This is the reason for the well known crash that people with

> > fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue have; at least a third of people

> > with FM/CFS have low growth hormone release.

> >

> > Also, there's a amall chance that your immune system is

stimulated

> > the first day and then your body has to deal with excess toxins

the

> > second, like a die-off effect.

> >

> > I'm not saying this is it in your case but it's worth looking at

> > particularly if you're a bit heavy across the middle, a dead

giveaway

> > that your HGH release is suboptimal. It usually occurs in people

over

> > 50 or so, and in people on a high-carbohydrate diet, often along

with

> > obesity but not always because some people's HGH release is

naturally

> > low.

> >

> > This sheet from an M.D. goes into chronic fatigue and also

mentions

> > DHA omega-3 oil and Coenzyme Q-10 antioxidants:

> >

http://soma.myvoffice.com/pdf/en/hyhu_2007_06_chronic_fatigue_syndrome

> > .pdf

> >

> > Please make sure the link is copied entirely along with the .pdf

or

> > use this tinyurl:

> > http://tinyurl.com/39bsn5

> >

> > Have you been on the anti-candida protocol for long? Or any part

of

> > it? CFS is also linked to low glutathione, the antioxidant that

is

> > involved with immune response and toxicity, that we increase with

> > undenatured whey and selenium.

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

Can you please explain how whey seems to " slam " the user at times? And what

would be the impact of a high bovine beta-lactoglobulin reaction? Is that an

allergic reaction you are talking about? Any thoughts on how to deal with that?

I still notice after some months alot of low energy and what I thought were

detox symptoms such as bloating and at times some liver pain though not always.

Is there a way one can learn to differentiate between a detox reaction and an

allergic response?

Thanks,

> From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

> Subject: Re: Does anyone else experience this after exercising?

> Wheys contain differing fractions, and some seem to

> " slam " the user

> more than others. Perhaps though it's not high

> glutathione but a high

> bovine beta-lactoglobulin reaction that causes it;

>

> Duncan

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, some people report that specific brand gives them a reaction;

Like you said, an allergic reaction to a bovine protein is possible

but without testing or observing firsthand I can't even speculate.

And, people have a variety of detox symptoms too so I can't say

whether you have them or not. Mainly, I've seen cold or flu symptoms,

like headache, fatigue, soreness etc, but not liver pain. Glutathione

is the main liver supporter.

Duncan

>

> > From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

> > Subject: Re: Does anyone else experience this after

exercising?

>

> > Wheys contain differing fractions, and some seem to

> > " slam " the user

> > more than others. Perhaps though it's not high

> > glutathione but a high

> > bovine beta-lactoglobulin reaction that causes it;

> >

> > Duncan

>

>

>

>

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Duncan,

Forgive me for missing the name of the brand that was being discussed which one

is it, please?

I should have explained the " liver pain " . It is a plugged up feeling that I've

had to deal with at times. I think that a liver flush or flushes would be in

order. I will have a bloated feeling and feeling of fullness and pain in the

right side of the liver, sometimes even both sides. I went through some loose

bowel periods on and off for some weeks and that subsided, but lately the

discomfort in the liver is more acute. I may need to back off a bit on the dose

as with all the craziness with our moldy home that I had to leave and all we're

doing to straighten out this crazy scenario, there is little or no peaceful

healing periods for doing a cleanse. That was why i was asking about more mild

protrocols for a cleanse a while back. so, this is my loing winded way of saying

that it is probably my poor liver trying to release the toxins.

Thanks,

> From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

> Subject: Re: Does anyone else experience this after exercising?

> candidiasis

> Date: Monday, March 24, 2008, 8:51 PM

> , some people report that specific brand gives them a

> reaction;

> Like you said, an allergic reaction to a bovine protein is

> possible

> but without testing or observing firsthand I can't even

> speculate.

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