Re: Re: Need help... Thyroid problems and no help from my doctors yet...feel awful

[Guest guest]

Edy, you might need to LOWER your Thyroid meds, now that you're using VCO.

Maybe that is why you feel awful. Too much meds.

Bonnie

Re: Need help... Thyroid problems and no help from my

doctors yet...feel awful

Does coconut oil affect your thyroid??????????

Edy , who is on Thyroid meds and cocnut oil

>

> Hi everyone,

> these are my recent levels:

> Thyroid Antiglobulin 54.2

> Thyroid Peroxidase 2300

>

> I live in Albany NY

> not sure what units these levels are in but they seem awfully high

> compared to things other people have written about.

> What do I do? They aren't treating me as of yet because the other

> levels are normal range. But I feel awful and toxic. When I was

using

> coconut oil everyday I felt awesome, didn't need the

antidepressants I

> was on anymore but then things just didn't continue that way and now

> they have me on an antibiotic for my sinus infection. So, I am

afraid

> to do anything that can affect my thyroid good or bad- so I am

> avoiding iodine, coconut oil, soy, broccoli, for right now. I loved

> the coconut oil. But now I don't seem to tolerate fat well as I am

> having colorless stools on and off. So I don't know if it is the

> coconut oil or other oil. But it made me feel great. I just don't

> want to mess with things because then I will just get blamed for my

> condition. So, I am just doing what the doctor has said so far. Any

> help? I just feel so toxic and like my body is attacking me. I go

from

> feeling one way to the next and can't stand it. Thanks for any

advice.

> I don't want them to just keep saying it is depression and anxiety

and

> keep giving me pills and even pushing ECT on me again. Although ECT

> did help. But I don't want to be subjected to that again unless

> extremely desperate again. Thanks so much, Wanda

>

[Guest guest]

Yes it is supposed to improve thyroid function. Also selenium, zinc helps too.

> candidiasis

> Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 11:09 PM

> Does coconut oil affect your thyroid??????????

> Edy , who is on Thyroid meds and cocnut oil

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Too much thyroid hormone floating around? What would the side effects of

that be? Hyperactivity, sweating, nervousness, etc.? If she is feeling

that way, then I would definately rule out being overmedicated with thryoid

meds.

Buddy

On 3/19/08, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

>

> Edy, you might need to LOWER your Thyroid meds, now that you're using

> VCO.

>

> Maybe that is why you feel awful. Too much meds.

>

> Bonnie

> Re: Need help... Thyroid problems and no help from

> my doctors yet...feel awful

>

> Does coconut oil affect your thyroid??????????

> Edy , who is on Thyroid meds and cocnut oil

>

>

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > these are my recent levels:

> > Thyroid Antiglobulin 54.2

> > Thyroid Peroxidase 2300

> >

> > I live in Albany NY

> > not sure what units these levels are in but they seem awfully high

> > compared to things other people have written about.

> > What do I do? They aren't treating me as of yet because the other

> > levels are normal range. But I feel awful and toxic. When I was

> using

> > coconut oil everyday I felt awesome, didn't need the

> antidepressants I

> > was on anymore but then things just didn't continue that way and now

> > they have me on an antibiotic for my sinus infection. So, I am

> afraid

> > to do anything that can affect my thyroid good or bad- so I am

> > avoiding iodine, coconut oil, soy, broccoli, for right now. I loved

> > the coconut oil. But now I don't seem to tolerate fat well as I am

> > having colorless stools on and off. So I don't know if it is the

> > coconut oil or other oil. But it made me feel great. I just don't

> > want to mess with things because then I will just get blamed for my

> > condition. So, I am just doing what the doctor has said so far. Any

> > help? I just feel so toxic and like my body is attacking me. I go

> from

> > feeling one way to the next and can't stand it. Thanks for any

> advice.

> > I don't want them to just keep saying it is depression and anxiety

> and

> > keep giving me pills and even pushing ECT on me again. Although ECT

> > did help. But I don't want to be subjected to that again unless

> > extremely desperate again. Thanks so much, Wanda

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

The hypo and hyper feeling can be a sign of hashimotos. Often at the start of

hashimotos there is a hyperthyroid feeling of being wired. It can come and go.

When it first happened to me my doctor, thought I was just stressed out and

recommended some rest. Do try to get tested and get a free tsh t3 t4 test. The

wired feeling could also be the result of adrenal fatigue. I'm no authority and

for sure some other more knwledgable list members could fill in the blanks for

me.

Hope this is helpful and I wish you well,

> From: Edy Dykstra-Blum <bizzeeboots@...>

> Subject: Re: Need help... Thyroid problems and no help from my

doctors yet...feel awful

> Oke , I will have my Thyroid tested, I am hypo, and now have

> the

> feeling that I am totally hyper

>

> Edy

>

>

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Edy,

IMHO, this could mean a few things. You are over ramping your thyroid. If you

checked your tsh, t3, t4 levels you would have a better idea of if you're levels

are getting too low. This happened to me in the two months that passed after I

left our moldly house for a somewhat better apartment while our home is being

remediated. My tsh levels went from 4.13 to .320. My doc immediately lowered my

dose. I was having the stressed out symptoms and also low energy. The only

change that occured was leaving our home. So, if you had your levels checked you

might have a better clue as to what was happening. You could also be having

problems if you have adrenal fatigue. If you do, adding coconut oil to the

synthroid dose would start increasing your thyroid function and metabolism and

by doing too much at a time, you could further stress your adrenals. If you have

adrenal fatigue, you need to work at reducing your tsh levels more slowly than

you would if you just had

thyroid issues. Coconut oil is great stuff, but if you're going to use it, you

need to work with your doc on regulating your syntroid dose. The adrenal issues

can be addressed by looking at Dr. 's book " Adrenal Fatigue " . You

can also google his name or the book title and it will take you to his website.

Also, try " www.drrind.com " . He has good info on thyroid and adrenals. Again, I'm

no expert and other more experienced list members may be able to clarify or

correct any suggestions I have. But I would make a more regualr effort to have

my thyroid tested properly if i were you. Otherwise, you have no clue as to what

uis going on and if what you're doing is hleping or hurting.

Be well,

> From: Edy Dykstra-Blum <bizzeeboots@...>

> Subject: Re: Need help... Thyroid problems and no help from my

doctors yet...feel awful

> , I only get this when I take my Syntroid and use

> cocnut oil, if

> I leave one out, I am oke

> Edy

>

>

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Many people here suffer with adrenal and thyroid issues. Other than

's book, what others would all of you recommend?

Buddy

On 3/23/08, Eagle <jacobadler123@...> wrote:

>

> Edy,

>

> IMHO, this could mean a few things. You are over ramping your thyroid. If

> you checked your tsh, t3, t4 levels you would have a better idea of if

> you're levels are getting too low. This happened to me in the two months

> that passed after I left our moldly house for a somewhat better apartment

> while our home is being remediated. My tsh levels went from 4.13 to .320.

> My doc immediately lowered my dose. I was having the stressed out symptoms

> and also low energy. The only change that occured was leaving our home. So,

> if you had your levels checked you might have a better clue as to what was

> happening. You could also be having problems if you have adrenal fatigue. If

> you do, adding coconut oil to the synthroid dose would start increasing your

> thyroid function and metabolism and by doing too much at a time, you could

> further stress your adrenals. If you have adrenal fatigue, you need to work

> at reducing your tsh levels more slowly than you would if you just had

> thyroid issues. Coconut oil is great stuff, but if you're going to use it,

> you need to work with your doc on regulating your syntroid dose. The adrenal

> issues can be addressed by looking at Dr. 's book " Adrenal

> Fatigue " . You can also google his name or the book title and it will take

> you to his website. Also, try " www.drrind.com " . He has good info on

> thyroid and adrenals. Again, I'm no expert and other more experienced list

> members may be able to clarify or correct any suggestions I have. But I

> would make a more regualr effort to have my thyroid tested properly if i

> were you. Otherwise, you have no clue as to what uis going on and if what

> you're doing is hleping or hurting.

>

> Be well,

>

>

>

>

> > From: Edy Dykstra-Blum <bizzeeboots@...<bizzeeboots%40gbwebs.com>

> >

> > Subject: Re: Need help... Thyroid problems and no help

> from my doctors yet...feel awful

>

> > , I only get this when I take my Syntroid and use

> > cocnut oil, if

> > I leave one out, I am oke

> > Edy

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Eagle wrote:

> My tsh levels went from 4.13 to .320. My doc immediately lowered my dose. I

was having the stressed out symptoms and also low energy.

,

Those symptoms don't quite sound hyperthyroid to me? I'm curious why

you want your TSH as high as 4.13? Most of what I'm hearing on other

groups is that with Hashimoto's people need to have their TSH suppressed

as low as possible without going hyperthyroid, in order to suppress the

antibodies. Would you feel this is wrong or unnecessary?

Reply off list is ok, if this is too far OT for this list.

thanks,

sol

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Buddy,

Safe Uses of Cortisol by McK. Jefferies (cheapest from the

publisher C ) (intended for doctors so not a fast read, LOL)

The Hormone Solution by Thierry Hertoghe, M.D.

Pets at Risk by Alfred J. Plechner, DVM (has a lot of info that is also

pertinent to humans)

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda

Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy by Barry Durrant-Peatfield

Feeling Fat, Fuzzy, or Frazzled by Karilee Shames

The last two come very highly recommended but I've just ordered them and

have not read them yet.

And I haven't ordered the Broda book yet, but it also is very

highly recommended on thyroid lists.

And a favorite:

The Metabolic Treatment of Fibromyalgia by C. Lowe. D.C. (he feels

nearly all fibro and chronic fatigue are untreated or undertreated

hypothyroidism) This is a 1260 pg textbook, not light reading, LOL.

Also the online sites Stop the Thyroid Madness (thyroid and adrenal

info) and

Shomon's thyroid site at about.com

Dr. C. Lowe's Thyroid Science http://www.thyroidscience.com/

sol

Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote:

> Many people here suffer with adrenal and thyroid issues. Other than

> 's book, what others would all of you recommend?

>

>

[Guest guest]

The Metabolic Treatment of Fibro looks pretty good. I was just reading

through some of the interviews about the book. I think I might put up the

100 bucks and see what it is about.

Anyone here read it and follow the protocols with success.

Buddy

On 3/23/08, sol <solbun@...> wrote:

>

> Buddy,

>

> Safe Uses of Cortisol by McK. Jefferies (cheapest from the

> publisher C ) (intended for doctors so not a fast read, LOL)

> The Hormone Solution by Thierry Hertoghe, M.D.

> Pets at Risk by Alfred J. Plechner, DVM (has a lot of info that is also

> pertinent to humans)

> Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda

> Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy by Barry Durrant-Peatfield

> Feeling Fat, Fuzzy, or Frazzled by Karilee Shames

>

> The last two come very highly recommended but I've just ordered them and

> have not read them yet.

> And I haven't ordered the Broda book yet, but it also is very

> highly recommended on thyroid lists.

>

> And a favorite:

> The Metabolic Treatment of Fibromyalgia by C. Lowe. D.C. (he feels

> nearly all fibro and chronic fatigue are untreated or undertreated

> hypothyroidism) This is a 1260 pg textbook, not light reading, LOL.

>

> Also the online sites Stop the Thyroid Madness (thyroid and adrenal

> info) and

> Shomon's thyroid site at about.com

> Dr. C. Lowe's Thyroid Science http://www.thyroidscience.com/

> sol

>

> Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote:

> > Many people here suffer with adrenal and thyroid issues. Other than

> > 's book, what others would all of you recommend?

> >

> >

>

>

>

--

Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

www.bmfchiro.com

Healthy Habits Natural Market

www.healthyhabitsnaturalmarket.com

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Sol,

I'm not techically in the hyperthyproid stage of hashitmotos anymore.

I don't want my tsh as high as the 4.13. I wasn't suggesting that. I don't have

the test here, but it went to just at the bottom of normal and very close to the

hyper level in a mere 7 weeks. To me this was over a 100% change and that is a

bit drastic and did overstress my system a bit.

I was, if my fuzzy memory serves, pointing out how one needs to keep testing

thyroid levels to keep track of your progress which can be affected by a many

different circmumstances environmental and otherwise. I was referring to the

dose level I was on while in the moldy home I was living in. And how after some

weeks of being in a temporary place while we proceeded with work on the house to

repair it, that my tsh dramatically dropped and did cause some hyperthyroid type

feelings ranging from rapid heart rate, arythmias, lack of sleep, feeling wired,

exhausted, wasted etc. I also, I think addressed (if not I should have) that too

swift a change in thyroid level can also stress the adrenals. Point again being

that periodic testing is vital.

Sorry if I wasn't more clear. We are in the midst of giant trials trying to get

our home salvaged and keep my medical care up. It's an ordeal that's been going

on for almost two years, so I'm no doubt a wee bit foggy and spread out.

Regards,

> ,

> Those symptoms don't quite sound hyperthyroid to me?

> I'm curious why

> you want your TSH as high as 4.13? Most of what I'm

> hearing on other

> groups is that with Hashimoto's people need to have

> their TSH suppressed

> as low as possible without going hyperthyroid, in order to

> suppress the

> antibodies. Would you feel this is wrong or unnecessary?

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Thanks for the info. I'll definately look it over.

On Dr. Lowe's site, there is a link to research showing that up to 80% of

subjects with fibro also had signs of hypothyroidism. I have a feeling for

some people it possible an HGH issues, for others glutathione issues,

adrenal issues, thyroid issues, etc., and probably for most people with

fibro, more than one of the above.

I've been reading a lot about hormone testing and balancing (Dr. Lee's

info). That looks promising as well.

Buddy

On 3/24/08, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

>

> Buddy, I've been pretty successful with fibromyalgia, not only in my

> fianceé, but in four others, with diet and SomaLife gHP. This page:

> http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP has links to the research that

> shows more than 30% of FM patients have low HGH release, and in

> glutathione research the fatigue seems to be connected to low

> glutathione in the skeletal muscles. I've put a testimonial on the

> SomaLife page from a lady who didn't even do the diet, just the

> SomaLife gHP.

>

> Duncan

>

>

> >

> > The Metabolic Treatment of Fibro looks pretty good. I was just

> reading

> > through some of the interviews about the book. I think I might put

> up the

> > 100 bucks and see what it is about.

> >

> > Anyone here read it and follow the protocols with success.

> >

> > Buddy

>

>

>

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Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

www.bmfchiro.com

Healthy Habits Natural Market

www.healthyhabitsnaturalmarket.com

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This was my experience as Duncan describes. I had a whole bunch of blood panels

done (including thyroid) before starting my candida diet, and then had my levels

retested after a year on the diet strictly. My thyroid levels normalized and I

believe they improved more than 2 or 3 points if I recall correctly.

Luv,

Debby in San , CA

147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

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From: Duncan Crow

Thanks for that, Buddy; low thyroid might well be conected to a high-

carb diet. Seeing people feel better with diet alone indicated to me

that they were probably driving their HGH and thyroid low and

cortisol high, much as we see with " adrenal fatigue " which also

responds to diet.

Nonetheless, no elderly individual has youthful HGH release.

Duncan