Re: adrenal exhaustion and salt

October 27, 2007

Ok, so now I've heard of it, but my other comments and questions from my

previous post still apply.

BT

On 10/27/07, Ives <mmives@...> wrote:

>

> I guess you have never heard of Dr. Jeffries?

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/safe-uses

>

> "

> 7) It has been recognized for many years that patients with adrenal

> insufficiency not only are more susceptible to low levels of serum sodium,

>

> with resulting hypotension and shock, but are also more susceptible to

> pathologic sodium retention from excessive amounts of salt or of

> sodium-retaining steroids, such as aldosterone, desoxycorticosterone, or

> 9-alpha-fluorohydrocortisone, suggesting that the adrenals might produce a

>

> substance that protects against sodium retention. 27

>

> 8) Two hormones produced normally by the ovaries, progesterone and

> 17-hydrozyprogesterone, have been demonstrated to have natriuretic

> properties (from Janie: causing salt to be eliminated from the body

> through

> urine, lowering blood pressure) and they are known intermediary steroids

> in

> adrenal cortices in the pathway of production of cortisol, occurring in

> excess in certain types of congenital adrenal hyperplasia, but the

> possibility that they might aid in normal water balance has apparently not

>

> been investigated. 27 "

>

> http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html

>

> " Cortisol has complex and sometimes opposing effects on the cardiovascular

>

> system. The most significant of these effects is probably the control of

> the

> contraction of the walls of the arteries in regulating blood pressure. The

>

> more circulating cortisol, the more contracted the mid-sized arteries.

> Thus,

> people who are deficient in cortisol usually have pervasive low blood

> pressure (hypotension) and reduced reactivity to other body agents that

> constrict blood vessels.

>

> Cortisol also directly affects the heart. It helps regulate sodium and

> potassium in the heart cells and increases the strength of contraction of

> the heart muscle. Sodium and potassium levels are critical for normal

> heart

> function. Cortisol also tends to increase blood pressure, but this

> hypertensive effect is moderated by calcium and magnesium. These minerals

> are required to prevent the heart muscles from cramping when they

> contract,

> thus keeping the heart beating smoothly. They also help relax the walls of

>

> the arteries, counteracting and balancing the increase in smooth muscle

> contraction produced by cortisol "

>

> "

>

> In adrenal fatigue, the craving for salt is a direct result of the lack of

>

> adequate aldosterone. As mentioned above, aldosterone controls sodium,

> potassium and fluid volumes in your body. When aldosterone secretions are

> normal, potassium, sodium and fluid levels are also normal. When

> aldosterone

> is high, sodium is kept high in the fluids circulating in your body.

>

> However, as circulating aldosterone levels fall, sodium is removed from

> your

> bloodstream as it passes through the kidneys and is excreted in the urine.

>

> When sodium is excreted it takes water with it. Initially, there is some

> loss of volume of your body fluids but it does not become severe unless

> the

> condition worsens. Once your circulating sodium level drops to about 50%

> of

> its original concentration in body fluids, even a small loss of sodium or

> sodium restriction in your diet begins to have severe consequences. Tiny

> fluctuations in blood sodium concentration have a significant effect o

> blood

> volume when sodium is depleted to this level.

>

> When the sodium supply of the blood is not replenished by eating

> salt-containing foods or liquids, sodium and water is pulled from your

> interstitial fluids into the blood to keep your blood sodium levels and

> water volume from getting too low. If too much salt or fluid is pulled

> from

> the interstitial fluids, the small amount of sodium in the cells begins to

>

> migrate out of the cells into the interstitial fluid.

>

> The cell does not have a great reserve of sodium because it needs to

> maintain its 15:1 ratio of potassium to sodium. As the sodium is pulled

> from

> the cell, water follows the sodium out.

>

> This leaves the cell dehydrated as well as sodium deficient. In addition,

> in

> order to keep the sodium/potassium ratio inside the cell constant,

> potassium

> then begins to migrate out in small quantities. However, each cell has

> minimum requirements for the absolute amounts of sodium, potassium and

> water

> necessary for its proper function. When these requirements are not met,

> cell

> function suffers, even if the proper ratio is maintained.

>

> If you are suffering from moderately severe adrenal fatigue, you must be

> careful how you re-hydrate yourself. Drinking much water or liquid without

>

> adequate sodium replacement will make you feel worse because it will

> dilute

> the amount of sodium in your blood even further. Also, your cells need

> salt

> to absorb fluids because sufficient sodium must be inside the cell before

> water can be pulled back across the membrane into the cell.

>

> When you are already low on body fluids and electrolytes, as you are in

> this

> situation, you should always add salt to your water. Do not drink soft

> drinks or electrolyte-rich sports drinks, like Gatorade, because they are

> high in potassium and low in sodium, the opposite of what someone with low

>

> cortisol levels who is dehydrated needs. Commercial electrolyte

> replacement

> drinks are designed for people who produce an excess of cortisol when

> exercising, not people who are low on cortisol and aldosterone. Instead,

> yo

> are much better off having a glass of water with ¼ - 1 teaspoon salt in

> it,

> or eating something salty with water to help replenish both sodium and

> fluid

> volume. "

>

> Best,

>

> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com <http://www.chestnuthilldesigns.com/>

> http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>

> Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

> happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

> other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

> adrenal exhaustion and salt

> >> > > >

> >> > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my

> >> > adrenals are

> >> > > >> quite exhausted,

> >> > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many

> >> > months, and

> >> > > >> less strict for

> >> > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements

> >> for

> >> > this

> >> > > >> condition

> >> > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product.

> >> Well,

> >> > I am

> >> > > >> concerned about the

> >> > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my

> >> > food

> >> > > >> several months ago (I

> >> > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free

> >> > bacon) when

> >> > > >> some bloodwork I

> >> > > >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium

> >> levels

> >> > > >> (granted, I was really

> >> > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts

> >> > of lemon

> >> > > >> and salt water). I

> >> > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I

> >> > normally get a

> >> > > >> great deal of

> >> > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I

> >> > also find

> >> > > >> that I crave salt,

> >> > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it

> >> > much less.

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the

> >> > addition of the

> >> > > >> extra salt

> >> > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal

> >> > support?

> >> > > >> Thanks,

> >> > > >>

October 27, 2007

Did you read all of what I posted? Specifically this paragraph?

" > In adrenal fatigue, the craving for salt is a direct result of the lack

of

>

> adequate aldosterone. As mentioned above, aldosterone controls sodium,

> potassium and fluid volumes in your body. When aldosterone secretions are

> normal, potassium, sodium and fluid levels are also normal. When

> aldosterone

> is high, sodium is kept high in the fluids circulating in your body.

>

> However, as circulating aldosterone levels fall, sodium is removed from

> your

> bloodstream as it passes through the kidneys and is excreted in the urine.

>

> When sodium is excreted it takes water with it. Initially, there is some

> loss of volume of your body fluids but it does not become severe unless

> the

> condition worsens. Once your circulating sodium level drops to about 50%

> of

> its original concentration in body fluids, even a small loss of sodium or

> sodium restriction in your diet begins to have severe consequences. Tiny

> fluctuations in blood sodium concentration have a significant effect o

> blood

> volume when sodium is depleted to this level.

>

> When the sodium supply of the blood is not replenished by eating

> salt-containing foods or liquids, sodium and water is pulled from your

> interstitial fluids into the blood to keep your blood sodium levels and

> water volume from getting too low. If too much salt or fluid is pulled

> from

> the interstitial fluids, the small amount of sodium in the cells begins to

>

> migrate out of the cells into the interstitial fluid.

>

> The cell does not have a great reserve of sodium because it needs to

> maintain its 15:1 ratio of potassium to sodium. As the sodium is pulled

> from

> the cell, water follows the sodium out.

>

> This leaves the cell dehydrated as well as sodium deficient. In addition,

> in

> order to keep the sodium/potassium ratio inside the cell constant,

> potassium

> then begins to migrate out in small quantities. However, each cell has

> minimum requirements for the absolute amounts of sodium, potassium and

> water

> necessary for its proper function. When these requirements are not met,

> cell

> function suffers, even if the proper ratio is maintained.

>

> If you are suffering from moderately severe adrenal fatigue, you must be

> careful how you re-hydrate yourself. Drinking much water or liquid without

>

> adequate sodium replacement will make you feel worse because it will

> dilute

> the amount of sodium in your blood even further. Also, your cells need

> salt

> to absorb fluids because sufficient sodium must be inside the cell before

> water can be pulled back across the membrane into the cell.

>

> When you are already low on body fluids and electrolytes, as you are in

> this

> situation, you should always add salt to your water. Do not drink soft

> drinks or electrolyte-rich sports drinks, like Gatorade, because they are

> high in potassium and low in sodium, the opposite of what someone with low

>

> cortisol levels who is dehydrated needs. Commercial electrolyte

> replacement

> drinks are designed for people who produce an excess of cortisol when

> exercising, not people who are low on cortisol and aldosterone. Instead,

> yo

> are much better off having a glass of water with ¼ - 1 teaspoon salt in

> it,

> or eating something salty with water to help replenish both sodium and

> fluid

> volume. "

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Ok, so now I've heard of it, but my other comments and questions from my

previous post still apply.

BT

October 28, 2007

Thank you , yes I read that. Very interesting and informative. I haven't

had time to

read Duncan's link yet though; we'll see if that changes my mind again At

this point I've

added in 1/2 tsp/day unrefined salt and am tracking my body temps to see if they

stabilize. I've been taking herbal supplements for months, and may add a

glandular

product. But maybe the biggest thing will be making myself go to bed at

10pm....we'll see.

Thanks everyone,

>

> Did you read all of what I posted? Specifically this paragraph?

>

> " > In adrenal fatigue, the craving for salt is a direct result of the lack

> of

> >

> > adequate aldosterone. As mentioned above, aldosterone controls sodium,

> > potassium and fluid volumes in your body. When aldosterone secretions are

> > normal, potassium, sodium and fluid levels are also normal. When

> > aldosterone

> > is high, sodium is kept high in the fluids circulating in your body.

> >

> > However, as circulating aldosterone levels fall, sodium is removed from

> > your

> > bloodstream as it passes through the kidneys and is excreted in the urine.

> >

> > When sodium is excreted it takes water with it. Initially, there is some

> > loss of volume of your body fluids but it does not become severe unless

> > the

> > condition worsens. Once your circulating sodium level drops to about 50%

> > of

> > its original concentration in body fluids, even a small loss of sodium or

> > sodium restriction in your diet begins to have severe consequences. Tiny

> > fluctuations in blood sodium concentration have a significant effect o

> > blood

> > volume when sodium is depleted to this level.

> >

> > When the sodium supply of the blood is not replenished by eating

> > salt-containing foods or liquids, sodium and water is pulled from your

> > interstitial fluids into the blood to keep your blood sodium levels and

> > water volume from getting too low. If too much salt or fluid is pulled

> > from

> > the interstitial fluids, the small amount of sodium in the cells begins to

> >

> > migrate out of the cells into the interstitial fluid.

> >

> > The cell does not have a great reserve of sodium because it needs to

> > maintain its 15:1 ratio of potassium to sodium. As the sodium is pulled

> > from

> > the cell, water follows the sodium out.

> >

> > This leaves the cell dehydrated as well as sodium deficient. In addition,

> > in

> > order to keep the sodium/potassium ratio inside the cell constant,

> > potassium

> > then begins to migrate out in small quantities. However, each cell has

> > minimum requirements for the absolute amounts of sodium, potassium and

> > water

> > necessary for its proper function. When these requirements are not met,

> > cell

> > function suffers, even if the proper ratio is maintained.

> >

> > If you are suffering from moderately severe adrenal fatigue, you must be

> > careful how you re-hydrate yourself. Drinking much water or liquid without

> >

> > adequate sodium replacement will make you feel worse because it will

> > dilute

> > the amount of sodium in your blood even further. Also, your cells need

> > salt

> > to absorb fluids because sufficient sodium must be inside the cell before

> > water can be pulled back across the membrane into the cell.

> >

> > When you are already low on body fluids and electrolytes, as you are in

> > this

> > situation, you should always add salt to your water. Do not drink soft

> > drinks or electrolyte-rich sports drinks, like Gatorade, because they are

> > high in potassium and low in sodium, the opposite of what someone with low

> >

> > cortisol levels who is dehydrated needs. Commercial electrolyte

> > replacement

> > drinks are designed for people who produce an excess of cortisol when

> > exercising, not people who are low on cortisol and aldosterone. Instead,

> > yo

> > are much better off having a glass of water with ¼ - 1 teaspoon salt in

> > it,

> > or eating something salty with water to help replenish both sodium and

> > fluid

> > volume. "

>

> Best,

>

> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>

> Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

> happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

> other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

>

> Ok, so now I've heard of it, but my other comments and questions from my

> previous post still apply.

>

> BT

>

October 28, 2007

Going to bed before 10, adrenal glandulars (I use Isocort), eating good

protein and staying away from sugars, eating and snacking throughout the day

(don't let your blood sugar drop), taking a GOOD B-complex and herbs (I use

Gaia Herbs " Adrenal Health " , and a B-complex called Adrenal Support) all

this helps a lot. Avoid as much stress as possible, don't overdo the

exercise, and rest whenever you can. It all really goes a long way toward

managing it. I don't know if you are ever truly healed and can go back to a

typical lifestyle, but you can do pretty well by doing as much as you can to

eliminate stress, eat right and take your vitamins!

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Re: adrenal exhaustion and salt

Thank you , yes I read that. Very interesting and informative. I

haven't had time to

read Duncan's link yet though; we'll see if that changes my mind again At

this point I've

added in 1/2 tsp/day unrefined salt and am tracking my body temps to see if

they

stabilize. I've been taking herbal supplements for months, and may add a

glandular

product. But maybe the biggest thing will be making myself go to bed at

10pm....we'll see.

Thanks everyone,

>

> Did you read all of what I posted? Specifically this paragraph?

>

> " > In adrenal fatigue, the craving for salt is a direct result of the lack

> of

> >

> > adequate aldosterone. As mentioned above, aldosterone controls sodium,

> > potassium and fluid volumes in your body. When aldosterone secretions

> > are

> > normal, potassium, sodium and fluid levels are also normal. When

> > aldosterone

> > is high, sodium is kept high in the fluids circulating in your body.

> >

> > However, as circulating aldosterone levels fall, sodium is removed from

> > your

> > bloodstream as it passes through the kidneys and is excreted in the

> > urine.

> >

> > When sodium is excreted it takes water with it. Initially, there is some

> > loss of volume of your body fluids but it does not become severe unless

> > the

> > condition worsens. Once your circulating sodium level drops to about 50%

> > of

> > its original concentration in body fluids, even a small loss of sodium

> > or

> > sodium restriction in your diet begins to have severe consequences. Tiny

> > fluctuations in blood sodium concentration have a significant effect o

> > blood

> > volume when sodium is depleted to this level.

> >

> > When the sodium supply of the blood is not replenished by eating

> > salt-containing foods or liquids, sodium and water is pulled from your

> > interstitial fluids into the blood to keep your blood sodium levels and

> > water volume from getting too low. If too much salt or fluid is pulled

> > from

> > the interstitial fluids, the small amount of sodium in the cells begins

> > to

> >

> > migrate out of the cells into the interstitial fluid.

> >

> > The cell does not have a great reserve of sodium because it needs to

> > maintain its 15:1 ratio of potassium to sodium. As the sodium is pulled

> > from

> > the cell, water follows the sodium out.

> >

> > This leaves the cell dehydrated as well as sodium deficient. In

> > addition,

> > in

> > order to keep the sodium/potassium ratio inside the cell constant,

> > potassium

> > then begins to migrate out in small quantities. However, each cell has

> > minimum requirements for the absolute amounts of sodium, potassium and

> > water

> > necessary for its proper function. When these requirements are not met,

> > cell

> > function suffers, even if the proper ratio is maintained.

> >

> > If you are suffering from moderately severe adrenal fatigue, you must be

> > careful how you re-hydrate yourself. Drinking much water or liquid

> > without

> >

> > adequate sodium replacement will make you feel worse because it will

> > dilute

> > the amount of sodium in your blood even further. Also, your cells need

> > salt

> > to absorb fluids because sufficient sodium must be inside the cell

> > before

> > water can be pulled back across the membrane into the cell.

> >

> > When you are already low on body fluids and electrolytes, as you are in

> > this

> > situation, you should always add salt to your water. Do not drink soft

> > drinks or electrolyte-rich sports drinks, like Gatorade, because they

> > are

> > high in potassium and low in sodium, the opposite of what someone with

> > low

> >

> > cortisol levels who is dehydrated needs. Commercial electrolyte

> > replacement

> > drinks are designed for people who produce an excess of cortisol when

> > exercising, not people who are low on cortisol and aldosterone. Instead,

> > yo

> > are much better off having a glass of water with ¼ - 1 teaspoon salt in

> > it,

> > or eating something salty with water to help replenish both sodium and

> > fluid

> > volume. "

>

> Best,

>

> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>

> Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

> happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

> other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

>

> Ok, so now I've heard of it, but my other comments and questions from my

> previous post still apply.

>

> BT

>

October 28, 2007

, if it's true that salt cravings are sometimes the result of

low aldosterone, wouldn't it make more sense to adjust aldosterone

level than eat salt to satisfy the craving?

Rhabdomyolysis is the word to look up in the context of excess salt

and deficient potassium.

Duncan

>

> >

> > Did you read all of what I posted? Specifically this paragraph?

> >

> > " > In adrenal fatigue, the craving for salt is a direct result of

the lack

> > of

> > >

> > > adequate aldosterone. As mentioned above, aldosterone controls

sodium,

> > > potassium and fluid volumes in your body. When aldosterone

secretions are

> > > normal, potassium, sodium and fluid levels are also normal. When

> > > aldosterone

> > > is high, sodium is kept high in the fluids circulating in your

body.

> > >

> > > However, as circulating aldosterone levels fall, sodium is

removed from

> > > your

> > > bloodstream as it passes through the kidneys and is excreted in

the urine.

> > >

> > > When sodium is excreted it takes water with it. Initially,

there is some

> > > loss of volume of your body fluids but it does not become

severe unless

> > > the

> > > condition worsens. Once your circulating sodium level drops to

about 50%

> > > of

> > > its original concentration in body fluids, even a small loss of

sodium or

> > > sodium restriction in your diet begins to have severe

consequences. Tiny

> > > fluctuations in blood sodium concentration have a significant

effect o

> > > blood

> > > volume when sodium is depleted to this level.

> > >

> > > When the sodium supply of the blood is not replenished by eating

> > > salt-containing foods or liquids, sodium and water is pulled

from your

> > > interstitial fluids into the blood to keep your blood sodium

levels and

> > > water volume from getting too low. If too much salt or fluid is

pulled

> > > from

> > > the interstitial fluids, the small amount of sodium in the

cells begins to

> > >

> > > migrate out of the cells into the interstitial fluid.

> > >

> > > The cell does not have a great reserve of sodium because it

needs to

> > > maintain its 15:1 ratio of potassium to sodium. As the sodium

is pulled

> > > from

> > > the cell, water follows the sodium out.

> > >

> > > This leaves the cell dehydrated as well as sodium deficient. In

addition,

> > > in

> > > order to keep the sodium/potassium ratio inside the cell

constant,

> > > potassium

> > > then begins to migrate out in small quantities. However, each

cell has

> > > minimum requirements for the absolute amounts of sodium,

potassium and

> > > water

> > > necessary for its proper function. When these requirements are

not met,

> > > cell

> > > function suffers, even if the proper ratio is maintained.

> > >

> > > If you are suffering from moderately severe adrenal fatigue,

you must be

> > > careful how you re-hydrate yourself. Drinking much water or

liquid without

> > >

> > > adequate sodium replacement will make you feel worse because it

will

> > > dilute

> > > the amount of sodium in your blood even further. Also, your

cells need

> > > salt

> > > to absorb fluids because sufficient sodium must be inside the

cell before

> > > water can be pulled back across the membrane into the cell.

> > >

> > > When you are already low on body fluids and electrolytes, as

you are in

> > > this

> > > situation, you should always add salt to your water. Do not

drink soft

> > > drinks or electrolyte-rich sports drinks, like Gatorade,

because they are

> > > high in potassium and low in sodium, the opposite of what

someone with low

> > >

> > > cortisol levels who is dehydrated needs. Commercial electrolyte

> > > replacement

> > > drinks are designed for people who produce an excess of

cortisol when

> > > exercising, not people who are low on cortisol and aldosterone.

Instead,

> > > yo

> > > are much better off having a glass of water with ¼ - 1 teaspoon

salt in

> > > it,

> > > or eating something salty with water to help replenish both

sodium and

> > > fluid

> > > volume. "

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

> >

> > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one

wants

> > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to

die, so do

> > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

> >

> > Ok, so now I've heard of it, but my other comments and questions

from my

> > previous post still apply.

> >

> > BT

> >

>

October 29, 2007

Can you share how you addressed your adrenal issues.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

147 pounds lost! 95% of health issues reversed!

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

Studying nutrition for 12 years. Currently pursuing Nutritional Consultant

license.

----- Original Message ----

From: Ives

I found that my salt and sugar cravings were more of a symptom of my

adrenal

issues. I would get days where I craved salt, then sugar, then salt,

then

sugar, alternating all day, and nothing ever squelched the craving.

Since

addressing my adrenal issues, I no longer crave salt, nor sugar.

October 29, 2007

Thank you everyone. I've got plenty of reading to do on this subject as time

allows

> >

> > >

> > > Did you read all of what I posted? Specifically this paragraph?

> > >

> > > " > In adrenal fatigue, the craving for salt is a direct result of

> the lack

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > adequate aldosterone. As mentioned above, aldosterone controls

> sodium,

> > > > potassium and fluid volumes in your body. When aldosterone

> secretions are

> > > > normal, potassium, sodium and fluid levels are also normal. When

> > > > aldosterone

> > > > is high, sodium is kept high in the fluids circulating in your

> body.

> > > >

> > > > However, as circulating aldosterone levels fall, sodium is

> removed from

> > > > your

> > > > bloodstream as it passes through the kidneys and is excreted in

> the urine.

> > > >

> > > > When sodium is excreted it takes water with it. Initially,

> there is some

> > > > loss of volume of your body fluids but it does not become

> severe unless

> > > > the

> > > > condition worsens. Once your circulating sodium level drops to

> about 50%

> > > > of

> > > > its original concentration in body fluids, even a small loss of

> sodium or

> > > > sodium restriction in your diet begins to have severe

> consequences. Tiny

> > > > fluctuations in blood sodium concentration have a significant

> effect o

> > > > blood

> > > > volume when sodium is depleted to this level.

> > > >

> > > > When the sodium supply of the blood is not replenished by eating

> > > > salt-containing foods or liquids, sodium and water is pulled

> from your

> > > > interstitial fluids into the blood to keep your blood sodium

> levels and

> > > > water volume from getting too low. If too much salt or fluid is

> pulled

> > > > from

> > > > the interstitial fluids, the small amount of sodium in the

> cells begins to

> > > >

> > > > migrate out of the cells into the interstitial fluid.

> > > >

> > > > The cell does not have a great reserve of sodium because it

> needs to

> > > > maintain its 15:1 ratio of potassium to sodium. As the sodium

> is pulled

> > > > from

> > > > the cell, water follows the sodium out.

> > > >

> > > > This leaves the cell dehydrated as well as sodium deficient. In

> addition,

> > > > in

> > > > order to keep the sodium/potassium ratio inside the cell

> constant,

> > > > potassium

> > > > then begins to migrate out in small quantities. However, each

> cell has

> > > > minimum requirements for the absolute amounts of sodium,

> potassium and

> > > > water

> > > > necessary for its proper function. When these requirements are

> not met,

> > > > cell

> > > > function suffers, even if the proper ratio is maintained.

> > > >

> > > > If you are suffering from moderately severe adrenal fatigue,

> you must be

> > > > careful how you re-hydrate yourself. Drinking much water or

> liquid without

> > > >

> > > > adequate sodium replacement will make you feel worse because it

> will

> > > > dilute

> > > > the amount of sodium in your blood even further. Also, your

> cells need

> > > > salt

> > > > to absorb fluids because sufficient sodium must be inside the

> cell before

> > > > water can be pulled back across the membrane into the cell.

> > > >

> > > > When you are already low on body fluids and electrolytes, as

> you are in

> > > > this

> > > > situation, you should always add salt to your water. Do not

> drink soft

> > > > drinks or electrolyte-rich sports drinks, like Gatorade,

> because they are

> > > > high in potassium and low in sodium, the opposite of what

> someone with low

> > > >

> > > > cortisol levels who is dehydrated needs. Commercial electrolyte

> > > > replacement

> > > > drinks are designed for people who produce an excess of

> cortisol when

> > > > exercising, not people who are low on cortisol and aldosterone.

> Instead,

> > > > yo

> > > > are much better off having a glass of water with ¼ - 1 teaspoon

> salt in

> > > > it,

> > > > or eating something salty with water to help replenish both

> sodium and

> > > > fluid

> > > > volume. "

> > >

> > > Best,

> > >

> > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> > > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

> > >

> > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one

> wants

> > > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to

> die, so do

> > > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

> > >

> > > Ok, so now I've heard of it, but my other comments and questions

> from my

> > > previous post still apply.

> > >

> > > BT

> > >

> >

>

October 29, 2007

Certainly! When I was first dx by my ND using saliva testing, I started

using Adrenal glandular product. That helped a bit, but the benefit was

short lived. I then used Isocort for about 6 months, and that worked better

for me than the regular glandular that the ND gave me. I still had

" crashes " during stress events, so went on hydrocortisone, started at 30

mg., quickly dropped the night time and dinner time dose, and was on 20 mg.

(10 in the am and 10 at lunchtime) for quite awhile (8+ months -ish), then I

took 2+ months to wean down, seesawing where I decreased and substituting

with Isocort. I've been off all adrenal meds for 2+ months now. I also made

diet/lifestyle changes, getting to bed by 10 as often as humanly possible (I

have children, so sick kids trump my adrenal issues), made sure to eat

protein at every meal and have protein snacks, limit carbs and sugars, and

substitute regular table salt with Celtic sea salt.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

> Can you share how you addressed your adrenal issues.

>

> Luv,

> Debby

> San , CA

November 12, 2007

Buddy,

Can you share which glandulars work the best for adrenals? Are they

natural (bioidentical)? I might have to switch off this cortisol

soon and would love to hear some alternate remedies.

Thank you,

Tina

> > > >

> > > > According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or

> > > sodium helps

> > > > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood

> > pressure,

> > > but also

> > > > helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium

loss

> > > within

> > > > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most

> > > cases of

> > > > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their

> > > diets.

> > > > However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue

AND

> > > high blood

> > > > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful

and go

> > > easy with

> > > > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause

high

> > > blood

> > > > pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

> > > >

> > > > says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it

does

> > > not contain

> > > > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a

preparation

> > > of salt

> > > > and sesame seeds called gomasio.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > >

> > > > Marla

> > > >

> > > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > >

> > > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for

adrenal

> > > support is

> > > >

> > > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea

salts "

> > > are very

> > > > low in iodine. Lorraine.

> > > >

> > > > adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > > >

> > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my

> > > adrenals are

> > > > >> quite exhausted,

> > > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for

many

> > > months, and

> > > > >> less strict for

> > > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended

supplements

> > for

> > > this

> > > > >> condition

> > > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product.

> > Well,

> > > I am

> > > > >> concerned about the

> > > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt

to my

> > > food

> > > > >> several months ago (I

> > > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free

> > > bacon) when

> > > > >> some bloodwork I

> > > > >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium

> > levels

> > > > >> (granted, I was really

> > > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius

amounts

> > > of lemon

> > > > >> and salt water). I

> > > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I

> > > normally get a

> > > > >> great deal of

> > > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens

everyday. I

> > > also find

> > > > >> that I crave salt,

> > > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave

it

> > > much less.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the

> > > addition of the

> > > > >> extra salt

> > > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal

> > > support?

> > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > >>

November 12, 2007

I use Isocort and it works very, very well for me.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

adrenal exhaustion and salt

>> > > > >

>> > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my

>> > > adrenals are

>> > > > >> quite exhausted,

>> > > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for

> many

>> > > months, and

>> > > > >> less strict for

>> > > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended

> supplements

>> > for

>> > > this

>> > > > >> condition

>> > > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product.

>> > Well,

>> > > I am

>> > > > >> concerned about the

>> > > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt

> to my

>> > > food

>> > > > >> several months ago (I

>> > > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free

>> > > bacon) when

>> > > > >> some bloodwork I

>> > > > >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium

>> > levels

>> > > > >> (granted, I was really

>> > > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius

> amounts

>> > > of lemon

>> > > > >> and salt water). I

>> > > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I

>> > > normally get a

>> > > > >> great deal of

>> > > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens

> everyday. I

>> > > also find

>> > > > >> that I crave salt,

>> > > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave

> it

>> > > much less.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the

>> > > addition of the

>> > > > >> extra salt

>> > > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal

>> > > support?

>> > > > >> Thanks,

>> > > > >>

November 15, 2007

Tina,

Remember you MUST slowly wean off any cortisone, whether HC,

prednisone, etc. I don't know how much you are taking per day, but

weaning slowly is absolutely essential.

FWIW, I use HC cream to avoid the stomach irritation because of my

history of IBS and stomach pain.

Also FWIW, if I ate an apple by itself, I'd get stomach pain, without

taking any HC with it. Ditto for a salad, unless it contained a lot of

fat heavy salad dressing along with plenty of meat and cheese. You

didn't say what your salad consisted of................HC must be taken

with some food, yes, but the food needs to be fat and protein, not a

piece of fruit, etc.

sol

Tina Chapek wrote:

> Can you share which glandulars work the best for adrenals? Are they

> natural (bioidentical)? I might have to switch off this cortisol

> soon and would love to hear some alternate remedies.

>

November 15, 2007

Hi Sol,

It was pretty much veggies if I remember right. I am taking it with

meat now so I think that is helping.

How does the cream work? Do you know the conversion? I am taking

12.5 mg natural cortisol (7.5 AM 5.0 noon). Should I not wean until

I start on the cream? Is there a brand that is better than others?

Thanks so much,

Tina

> > Can you share which glandulars work the best for adrenals? Are

they

> > natural (bioidentical)? I might have to switch off this cortisol

> > soon and would love to hear some alternate remedies.

> >

>

November 19, 2007

Thank you Buddy. Where can I get more information on those, if you

don't mind.

Tina

> > > > > >

> > > > > > According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue,

salt or

> > > > > sodium helps

> > > > > > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood

> > > > pressure,

> > > > > but also

> > > > > > helps restore some of the other functions related to

sodium

> > loss

> > > > > within

> > > > > > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in

most

> > > > > cases of

> > > > > > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to

their

> > > > > diets.

> > > > > > However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal

fatigue

> > AND

> > > > > high blood

> > > > > > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful

> > and go

> > > > > easy with

> > > > > > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause

> > high

> > > > > blood

> > > > > > pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but

it

> > does

> > > > > not contain

> > > > > > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a

> > preparation

> > > > > of salt

> > > > > > and sesame seeds called gomasio.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marla

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for

> > adrenal

> > > > > support is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea

> > salts "

> > > > > are very

> > > > > > low in iodine. Lorraine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that

my

> > > > > adrenals are

> > > > > > >> quite exhausted,

> > > > > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet

for

> > many

> > > > > months, and

> > > > > > >> less strict for

> > > > > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended

> > supplements

> > > > for

> > > > > this

> > > > > > >> condition

> > > > > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular

product.

> > > > Well,

> > > > > I am

> > > > > > >> concerned about the

> > > > > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any

salt

> > to my

> > > > > food

> > > > > > >> several months ago (I

> > > > > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate

free

> > > > > bacon) when

> > > > > > >> some bloodwork I

> > > > > > >> had done while really sick came back showing low

potassium

> > > > levels

> > > > > > >> (granted, I was really

> > > > > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius

> > amounts

> > > > > of lemon

> > > > > > >> and salt water). I

> > > > > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of

potassium:sodium. I

> > > > > normally get a

> > > > > > >> great deal of

> > > > > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens

> > everyday. I

> > > > > also find

> > > > > > >> that I crave salt,

> > > > > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do

crave

> > it

> > > > > much less.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe

the

> > > > > addition of the

> > > > > > >> extra salt

> > > > > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for

adrenal

> > > > > support?

> > > > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > > > >>

November 19, 2007

Standard Process makes those particular supplements, but Biotics Research

and a few others have similar products I'm sure. I'll stress again though,

everything starts with living a healthy lifestyle. You need to eat well,

exercise, and take part in stress reducing activities. Otherwise, the

supplements are just propping you up and you're bound for a collapse at some

point.

Buddy

On 11/19/07, Tina Chapek <teenee65@...> wrote:

>

> Thank you Buddy. Where can I get more information on those, if you

> don't mind.

>

> Tina

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue,

> salt or

> > > > > > sodium helps

> > > > > > > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood

> > > > > pressure,

> > > > > > but also

> > > > > > > helps restore some of the other functions related to

> sodium

> > > loss

> > > > > > within

> > > > > > > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in

> most

> > > > > > cases of

> > > > > > > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to

> their

> > > > > > diets.

> > > > > > > However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal

> fatigue

> > > AND

> > > > > > high blood

> > > > > > > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful

> > > and go

> > > > > > easy with

> > > > > > > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause

> > > high

> > > > > > blood

> > > > > > > pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but

> it

> > > does

> > > > > > not contain

> > > > > > > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a

> > > preparation

> > > > > > of salt

> > > > > > > and sesame seeds called gomasio.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marla

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for

> > > adrenal

> > > > > > support is

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea

> > > salts "

> > > > > > are very

> > > > > > > low in iodine. Lorraine.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that

> my

> > > > > > adrenals are

> > > > > > > >> quite exhausted,

> > > > > > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet

> for

> > > many

> > > > > > months, and

> > > > > > > >> less strict for

> > > > > > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended

> > > supplements

> > > > > for

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > >> condition

> > > > > > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular

> product.

> > > > > Well,

> > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > >> concerned about the

> > > > > > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any

> salt

> > > to my

> > > > > > food

> > > > > > > >> several months ago (I

> > > > > > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate

> free

> > > > > > bacon) when

> > > > > > > >> some bloodwork I

> > > > > > > >> had done while really sick came back showing low

> potassium

> > > > > levels

> > > > > > > >> (granted, I was really

> > > > > > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius

> > > amounts

> > > > > > of lemon

> > > > > > > >> and salt water). I

> > > > > > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of

> potassium:sodium. I

> > > > > > normally get a

> > > > > > > >> great deal of

> > > > > > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens

> > > everyday. I

> > > > > > also find

> > > > > > > >> that I crave salt,

> > > > > > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do

> crave

> > > it

> > > > > > much less.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe

> the

> > > > > > addition of the

> > > > > > > >> extra salt

> > > > > > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for

> adrenal

> > > > > > support?

> > > > > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > > > > >>

November 19, 2007

Buddy,

Thank you again. I am seeing how those things you listed are

critical. I am eating better, exercising regularly and taking steps

to reduce stress. What do you consider eating well though?

I was curious what ingredients were in the products you listed (do

they have a website)? I really feel like I need to review the

various supplements I take now and see if they are really making a

difference.

The one bad thing going for me here is the chemical plants in the

area (I think I posted a question on that separately). We are trying

to live and eat healthier but sometimes feel like we are continually

living in a deficit with the air and water around us.

Tina

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue,

> > salt or

> > > > > > > sodium helps

> > > > > > > > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase

blood

> > > > > > pressure,

> > > > > > > but also

> > > > > > > > helps restore some of the other functions related to

> > sodium

> > > > loss

> > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that

in

> > most

> > > > > > > cases of

> > > > > > > > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it

to

> > their

> > > > > > > diets.

> > > > > > > > However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal

> > fatigue

> > > > AND

> > > > > > > high blood

> > > > > > > > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be

careful

> > > > and go

> > > > > > > easy with

> > > > > > > > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not

cause

> > > > high

> > > > > > > blood

> > > > > > > > pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > says that sea salt is a good source for salt,

but

> > it

> > > > does

> > > > > > > not contain

> > > > > > > > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a

> > > > preparation

> > > > > > > of salt

> > > > > > > > and sesame seeds called gomasio.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marla

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised

for

> > > > adrenal

> > > > > > > support is

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and

other " sea

> > > > salts "

> > > > > > > are very

> > > > > > > > low in iodine. Lorraine.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization

that

> > my

> > > > > > > adrenals are

> > > > > > > > >> quite exhausted,

> > > > > > > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of

diet

> > for

> > > > many

> > > > > > > months, and

> > > > > > > > >> less strict for

> > > > > > > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended

> > > > supplements

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > >> condition

> > > > > > > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular

> > product.

> > > > > > Well,

> > > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > >> concerned about the

> > > > > > > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any

> > salt

> > > > to my

> > > > > > > food

> > > > > > > > >> several months ago (I

> > > > > > > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and

nitrate

> > free

> > > > > > > bacon) when

> > > > > > > > >> some bloodwork I

> > > > > > > > >> had done while really sick came back showing low

> > potassium

> > > > > > levels

> > > > > > > > >> (granted, I was really

> > > > > > > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking

copius

> > > > amounts

> > > > > > > of lemon

> > > > > > > > >> and salt water). I

> > > > > > > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of

> > potassium:sodium. I

> > > > > > > normally get a

> > > > > > > > >> great deal of

> > > > > > > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens

> > > > everyday. I

> > > > > > > also find

> > > > > > > > >> that I crave salt,

> > > > > > > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I

do

> > crave

> > > > it

> > > > > > > much less.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you

believe

> > the

> > > > > > > addition of the

> > > > > > > > >> extra salt

> > > > > > > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for

> > adrenal

> > > > > > > support?

> > > > > > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > > > > > >>

November 19, 2007

What's a healthy diet? I think that can be a little different for everyone,

but here's what I think are the basics. Eat primarily a plant based diet

with plenty of fresh (raw or near raw) vegetables and fruits. I'd say about

10% or so of what you consume should be meat from animals that are free

range, antibiotic and hormone free. Preferably wild game if available

(nothing healthier than game that lives off acorns, berries, clover, and

plant buds all their life). Use natural fats and oils such as butter, olive

oil, coconut oil, etc. Drink fresh water and herbal teas. Drink the

occassional glass of wine or dark beer (one per day not bad). Avoid at all

costs refined flour products, fried foods, soft drinks, cigarettes,

caffiene, and sugar.

Oh, and supplement according to your needs. I dont take a ton of

supplements, but I have been doing very well taking the whey shakes

everyday. I also take a decent multivitamin. As an extra boost to my

health (needed after not eating well for many many years), I've been

rotating various support products. For instance, in addition to the whey

and multi, I am taking a full spectrum B-complex right now. Last month I

took an adrenal complex instead (been under stress lately). During the

winter I will probably take some extra vitamin D. I also have a few herbs

sanding by if I start to get cold symptoms (echinacea and astagulus).

I do like the idea of rotating supplements in and out of my daily routine.

I dont like taking a thousand things everyday. I keep it simple, less than

5 different supplements per day.

Buddy

On 11/19/07, Tina Chapek <teenee65@...> wrote:

>

> Buddy,

>

> Thank you again. I am seeing how those things you listed are

> critical. I am eating better, exercising regularly and taking steps

> to reduce stress. What do you consider eating well though?

>

> I was curious what ingredients were in the products you listed (do

> they have a website)? I really feel like I need to review the

> various supplements I take now and see if they are really making a

> difference.

>

> The one bad thing going for me here is the chemical plants in the

> area (I think I posted a question on that separately). We are trying

> to live and eat healthier but sometimes feel like we are continually

> living in a deficit with the air and water around us.

>

> Tina

>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue,

> > > salt or

> > > > > > > > sodium helps

> > > > > > > > > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase

> blood

> > > > > > > pressure,

> > > > > > > > but also

> > > > > > > > > helps restore some of the other functions related to

> > > sodium

> > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that

> in

> > > most

> > > > > > > > cases of

> > > > > > > > > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it

> to

> > > their

> > > > > > > > diets.

> > > > > > > > > However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal

> > > fatigue

> > > > > AND

> > > > > > > > high blood

> > > > > > > > > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be

> careful

> > > > > and go

> > > > > > > > easy with

> > > > > > > > > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not

> cause

> > > > > high

> > > > > > > > blood

> > > > > > > > > pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > says that sea salt is a good source for salt,

> but

> > > it

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not contain

> > > > > > > > > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a

> > > > > preparation

> > > > > > > > of salt

> > > > > > > > > and sesame seeds called gomasio.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marla

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised

> for

> > > > > adrenal

> > > > > > > > support is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and

> other " sea

> > > > > salts "

> > > > > > > > are very

> > > > > > > > > low in iodine. Lorraine.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization

> that

> > > my

> > > > > > > > adrenals are

> > > > > > > > > >> quite exhausted,

> > > > > > > > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of

> diet

> > > for

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > months, and

> > > > > > > > > >> less strict for

> > > > > > > > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended

> > > > > supplements

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > >> condition

> > > > > > > > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular

> > > product.

> > > > > > > Well,

> > > > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > > >> concerned about the

> > > > > > > > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any

> > > salt

> > > > > to my

> > > > > > > > food

> > > > > > > > > >> several months ago (I

> > > > > > > > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and

> nitrate

> > > free

> > > > > > > > bacon) when

> > > > > > > > > >> some bloodwork I

> > > > > > > > > >> had done while really sick came back showing low

> > > potassium

> > > > > > > levels

> > > > > > > > > >> (granted, I was really

> > > > > > > > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking

> copius

> > > > > amounts

> > > > > > > > of lemon

> > > > > > > > > >> and salt water). I

> > > > > > > > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of

> > > potassium:sodium. I

> > > > > > > > normally get a

> > > > > > > > > >> great deal of

> > > > > > > > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens

> > > > > everyday. I

> > > > > > > > also find

> > > > > > > > > >> that I crave salt,

> > > > > > > > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I

> do

> > > crave

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > much less.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you

> believe

> > > the

> > > > > > > > addition of the

> > > > > > > > > >> extra salt

> > > > > > > > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for

> > > adrenal

> > > > > > > > support?

> > > > > > > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > >>

November 19, 2007

Thank you again Buddy.

What percent would you say could be for eggs, nuts, whey and other

types of protein?

Tina

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > According to , author of Adrenal

Fatigue,

> > > > salt or

> > > > > > > > > sodium helps

> > > > > > > > > > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase

> > blood

> > > > > > > > pressure,

> > > > > > > > > but also

> > > > > > > > > > helps restore some of the other functions related

to

> > > > sodium

> > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says

that

> > in

> > > > most

> > > > > > > > > cases of

> > > > > > > > > > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who

add it

> > to

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > > diets.

> > > > > > > > > > However, there are some rarer people who have

adrenal

> > > > fatigue

> > > > > > AND

> > > > > > > > > high blood

> > > > > > > > > > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be

> > careful

> > > > > > and go

> > > > > > > > > easy with

> > > > > > > > > > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should

not

> > cause

> > > > > > high

> > > > > > > > > blood

> > > > > > > > > > pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > says that sea salt is a good source for

salt,

> > but

> > > > it

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > not contain

> > > > > > > > > > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp

and a

> > > > > > preparation

> > > > > > > > > of salt

> > > > > > > > > > and sesame seeds called gomasio.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marla

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is

advised

> > for

> > > > > > adrenal

> > > > > > > > > support is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and

> > other " sea

> > > > > > salts "

> > > > > > > > > are very

> > > > > > > > > > low in iodine. Lorraine.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > adrenal exhaustion and

salt

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the

realization

> > that

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > adrenals are

> > > > > > > > > > >> quite exhausted,

> > > > > > > > > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of

> > diet

> > > > for

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > months, and

> > > > > > > > > > >> less strict for

> > > > > > > > > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly

reccommended

> > > > > > supplements

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > >> condition

> > > > > > > > > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a

glandular

> > > > product.

> > > > > > > > Well,

> > > > > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > > > >> concerned about the

> > > > > > > > > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped

adding any

> > > > salt

> > > > > > to my

> > > > > > > > > food

> > > > > > > > > > >> several months ago (I

> > > > > > > > > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and

> > nitrate

> > > > free

> > > > > > > > > bacon) when

> > > > > > > > > > >> some bloodwork I

> > > > > > > > > > >> had done while really sick came back showing

low

> > > > potassium

> > > > > > > > levels

> > > > > > > > > > >> (granted, I was really

> > > > > > > > > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking

> > copius

> > > > > > amounts

> > > > > > > > > of lemon

> > > > > > > > > > >> and salt water). I

> > > > > > > > > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of

> > > > potassium:sodium. I

> > > > > > > > > normally get a

> > > > > > > > > > >> great deal of

> > > > > > > > > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy

greens

> > > > > > everyday. I

> > > > > > > > > also find

> > > > > > > > > > >> that I crave salt,

> > > > > > > > > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my

food I

> > do

> > > > crave

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > much less.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you

> > believe

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > addition of the

> > > > > > > > > > >> extra salt

> > > > > > > > > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation

for

> > > > adrenal

> > > > > > > > > support?

> > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > >>

November 19, 2007

I think eggs and whey could make up a majority of your meat intake. I

really dont know though. This is just my best guess, and what I try to

follow myself. Actually, maybe 10% is a little high. I'll amend that to

say 90% should be produce, with twice as many vegetables and fruits, with

10% being whole grains and animal based proteins.

You know what, I have been working on this topic on my blog today. Check it

out:

http://drtouchinsky.blogspot.com/

Buddy

On 11/19/07, Tina Chapek <teenee65@...> wrote:

>

> Thank you again Buddy.

>

> What percent would you say could be for eggs, nuts, whey and other

> types of protein?

>

> Tina

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > According to , author of Adrenal

> Fatigue,

> > > > > salt or

> > > > > > > > > > sodium helps

> > > > > > > > > > > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase

> > > blood

> > > > > > > > > pressure,

> > > > > > > > > > but also

> > > > > > > > > > > helps restore some of the other functions related

> to

> > > > > sodium

> > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says

> that

> > > in

> > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > cases of

> > > > > > > > > > > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who

> add it

> > > to

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > diets.

> > > > > > > > > > > However, there are some rarer people who have

> adrenal

> > > > > fatigue

> > > > > > > AND

> > > > > > > > > > high blood

> > > > > > > > > > > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be

> > > careful

> > > > > > > and go

> > > > > > > > > > easy with

> > > > > > > > > > > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should

> not

> > > cause

> > > > > > > high

> > > > > > > > > > blood

> > > > > > > > > > > pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > says that sea salt is a good source for

> salt,

> > > but

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > not contain

> > > > > > > > > > > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp

> and a

> > > > > > > preparation

> > > > > > > > > > of salt

> > > > > > > > > > > and sesame seeds called gomasio.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Marla

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is

> advised

> > > for

> > > > > > > adrenal

> > > > > > > > > > support is

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and

> > > other " sea

> > > > > > > salts "

> > > > > > > > > > are very

> > > > > > > > > > > low in iodine. Lorraine.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > adrenal exhaustion and

> salt

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the

> realization

> > > that

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > adrenals are

> > > > > > > > > > > >> quite exhausted,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of

> > > diet

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > months, and

> > > > > > > > > > > >> less strict for

> > > > > > > > > > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly

> reccommended

> > > > > > > supplements

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > >> condition

> > > > > > > > > > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a

> glandular

> > > > > product.

> > > > > > > > > Well,

> > > > > > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > > > > >> concerned about the

> > > > > > > > > > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped

> adding any

> > > > > salt

> > > > > > > to my

> > > > > > > > > > food

> > > > > > > > > > > >> several months ago (I

> > > > > > > > > > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and

> > > nitrate

> > > > > free

> > > > > > > > > > bacon) when

> > > > > > > > > > > >> some bloodwork I

> > > > > > > > > > > >> had done while really sick came back showing

> low

> > > > > potassium

> > > > > > > > > levels

> > > > > > > > > > > >> (granted, I was really

> > > > > > > > > > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking

> > > copius

> > > > > > > amounts

> > > > > > > > > > of lemon

> > > > > > > > > > > >> and salt water). I

> > > > > > > > > > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of

> > > > > potassium:sodium. I

> > > > > > > > > > normally get a

> > > > > > > > > > > >> great deal of

> > > > > > > > > > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy

> greens

> > > > > > > everyday. I

> > > > > > > > > > also find

> > > > > > > > > > > >> that I crave salt,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my

> food I

> > > do

> > > > > crave

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > much less.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you

> > > believe

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > addition of the

> > > > > > > > > > > >> extra salt

> > > > > > > > > > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation

> for

> > > > > adrenal

> > > > > > > > > > support?

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

November 19, 2007

Great blogs! I read a few of them. Enjoyed the acid reflux one

also - that happens to be on my list!! What enzymes do you

recommend, if you don't mind my asking? One of my natural doctors

recommended one by Designs for Health (called Digestzymes) because I

don't have a gallbladder any more (oh if I only knew then waht I know

now, I'd still have one!). It contains HCI, ox bile and enzymes.

It's hard to come by so I ordered a brand by NOW that supposedly has

those but I saw one recently by Enzymatic Therapy that does too. I

tend to like ET better than NOW on other things but I thought I'd

give it a try. I welcome thoughts!

Do you agree that if you are uncertain whether or not you are low on

HCI, you can do the ACV test to see if it helps? I tried it and it

didn't help which leads me to believe I am not deficient in HCI but

maybe the test isn't a valid one?

Tina

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > According to , author of Adrenal

> > Fatigue,

> > > > > > salt or

> > > > > > > > > > > sodium helps

> > > > > > > > > > > > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps

increase

> > > > blood

> > > > > > > > > > pressure,

> > > > > > > > > > > but also

> > > > > > > > > > > > helps restore some of the other functions

> > > > > > sodium

> > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > > > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He

says

> > that

> > > > in

> > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > cases of

> > > > > > > > > > > > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who

> > add it

> > > > to

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > diets.

> > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are some rarer people who have

> > adrenal

> > > > > > fatigue

> > > > > > > > AND

> > > > > > > > > > > high blood

> > > > > > > > > > > > pressure. Those with high blood pressure

should be

> > > > careful

> > > > > > > > and go

> > > > > > > > > > > easy with

> > > > > > > > > > > > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt

should

> > not

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > > high

> > > > > > > > > > > blood

> > > > > > > > > > > > pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > says that sea salt is a good source for

> > salt,

> > > > but

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > not contain

> > > > > > > > > > > > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends

kelp

> > and a

> > > > > > > > preparation

> > > > > > > > > > > of salt

> > > > > > > > > > > > and sesame seeds called gomasio.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Marla

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -- adrenal exhaustion and

salt

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is

> > advised

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > adrenal

> > > > > > > > > > > support is

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and

> > > > other " sea

> > > > > > > > salts "

> > > > > > > > > > > are very

> > > > > > > > > > > > low in iodine. Lorraine.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > adrenal exhaustion

and

> > salt

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the

> > realization

> > > > that

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > adrenals are

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> quite exhausted,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean

type of

> > > > diet

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > months, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> less strict for

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly

> > reccommended

> > > > > > > > supplements

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> condition

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a

> > glandular

> > > > > > product.

> > > > > > > > > > Well,

> > > > > > > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> concerned about the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped

> > adding any

> > > > > > salt

> > > > > > > > to my

> > > > > > > > > > > food

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> several months ago (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat,

and

> > > > nitrate

> > > > > > free

> > > > > > > > > > > bacon) when

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> some bloodwork I

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> had done while really sick came back

showing

> > low

> > > > > > potassium

> > > > > > > > > > levels

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> (granted, I was really

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been

drinking

> > > > copius

> > > > > > > > amounts

> > > > > > > > > > > of lemon

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> and salt water). I

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of

> > > > > > potassium:sodium. I

> > > > > > > > > > > normally get a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> great deal of

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy

> > greens

> > > > > > > > everyday. I

> > > > > > > > > > > also find

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> that I crave salt,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my

> > food I

> > > > do

> > > > > > crave

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > much less.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do

you

> > > > believe

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > addition of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> extra salt

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> would be? Any other particular

reccommendation

> > for

> > > > > > adrenal

> > > > > > > > > > > support?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

November 19, 2007

I wouldnt worry too much about brands. If they are reputable and have the

ingredients you are looking for, go for it.

I think the ACV test is decent. Other than an expensive lab test, it's the

best we have. Try adding a few more with meals and see if symptoms get

better or worse. If worse, then it could be an ulcer that needs healing

first, or you just have too much acid (rare, but not impossible).

Buddy

On 11/19/07, Tina Chapek <teenee65@...> wrote:

>

> Great blogs! I read a few of them. Enjoyed the acid reflux one

> also - that happens to be on my list!! What enzymes do you

> recommend, if you don't mind my asking? One of my natural doctors

> recommended one by Designs for Health (called Digestzymes) because I

> don't have a gallbladder any more (oh if I only knew then waht I know

> now, I'd still have one!). It contains HCI, ox bile and enzymes.

> It's hard to come by so I ordered a brand by NOW that supposedly has

> those but I saw one recently by Enzymatic Therapy that does too. I

> tend to like ET better than NOW on other things but I thought I'd

> give it a try. I welcome thoughts!

>

> Do you agree that if you are uncertain whether or not you are low on

> HCI, you can do the ACV test to see if it helps? I tried it and it

> didn't help which leads me to believe I am not deficient in HCI but

> maybe the test isn't a valid one?

>

> Tina

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > According to , author of Adrenal

> > > Fatigue,

> > > > > > > salt or

> > > > > > > > > > > > sodium helps

> > > > > > > > > > > > > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps

> increase

> > > > > blood

> > > > > > > > > > > pressure,

> > > > > > > > > > > > but also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > helps restore some of the other functions

> related

> > > to

> > > > > > > sodium

> > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He

> says

> > > that

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > cases of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who

> > > add it

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > diets.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are some rarer people who have

> > > adrenal

> > > > > > > fatigue

> > > > > > > > > AND

> > > > > > > > > > > > high blood

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure. Those with high blood pressure

> should be

> > > > > careful

> > > > > > > > > and go

> > > > > > > > > > > > easy with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt

> should

> > > not

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > high

> > > > > > > > > > > > blood

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > says that sea salt is a good source for

> > > salt,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > not contain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends

> kelp

> > > and a

> > > > > > > > > preparation

> > > > > > > > > > > > of salt

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and sesame seeds called gomasio.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Marla

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- adrenal exhaustion and

> salt

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is

> > > advised

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > adrenal

> > > > > > > > > > > > support is

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and

> > > > > other " sea

> > > > > > > > > salts "

> > > > > > > > > > > > are very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > low in iodine. Lorraine.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > adrenal exhaustion

> and

> > > salt

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the

> > > realization

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > adrenals are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> quite exhausted,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean

> type of

> > > > > diet

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > months, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> less strict for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly

> > > reccommended

> > > > > > > > > supplements

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> condition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a

> > > glandular

> > > > > > > product.

> > > > > > > > > > > Well,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> concerned about the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped

> > > adding any

> > > > > > > salt

> > > > > > > > > to my

> > > > > > > > > > > > food

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> several months ago (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat,

> and

> > > > > nitrate

> > > > > > > free

> > > > > > > > > > > > bacon) when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> some bloodwork I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> had done while really sick came back

> showing

> > > low

> > > > > > > potassium

> > > > > > > > > > > levels

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (granted, I was really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been

> drinking

> > > > > copius

> > > > > > > > > amounts

> > > > > > > > > > > > of lemon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and salt water). I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of

> > > > > > > potassium:sodium. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > normally get a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> great deal of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy

> > > greens

> > > > > > > > > everyday. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > also find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> that I crave salt,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my

> > > food I

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > crave

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > much less.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do

> you

> > > > > believe

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > addition of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> extra salt

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> would be? Any other particular

> reccommendation

> > > for

> > > > > > > adrenal

> > > > > > > > > > > > support?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

November 20, 2007

Hi Buddy,

If you don't mind my asking. Does the adrenal complex help you when you're

under stress?

If so, in what way? I've got exhausted adrenals and am taking adrenal rebuilder

based on Dr. 's formula. Is that similar to what you're taking? Is taking

a plain adrenal supplement equally effective in your experience, or is it likely

not to have the same efficacy? I too am under a great deal of stress at the

moment. I've thought of slightly boosting the adrenal rebuilder or adding

straight one tab of organic adrenals to see if it helps. I've been really

exhausted lately.

Thanks

" Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. " <dr.touchinsky@...> wrote:

Last month I

took an adrenal complex instead (been under stress lately). During the

winter I will probably take some extra vitamin D. I also have a few herbs

sanding by if I start to get cold symptoms (echinacea and astagulus).

I do like the idea of rotating supplements in and out of my daily routine.

I dont like taking a thousand things everyday. I keep it simple, less than

5 different supplements per day.

Buddy

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I take an adrenal complex on occassion as extra support when I am under

stress. The complex I use has B-complex,Vitamin C, and adrenal gladulars

(small portion). There are formulas that are heavier on the adrenal

glandular side, but I dont like to use them too much because it can create

dependancy. Something like that can be used short term for people that

really need the extra support. It basically supplies the extra hormones that

your adrenals aren't putting out on their own.

I'm not familiar with Dr. 's formulas.

I havent used it yet myself, but I hear Licorice High Grade is a good

adrenal support. It's on my next order list so I can give it a try with

people. The only problem is it is that it shouldnt be used if you have high

BP. It can elevate it even further.

Buddy

On 11/20/07, Eagle <jacobadler123@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Buddy,

>

> If you don't mind my asking. Does the adrenal complex help you when you're

> under stress?

> If so, in what way? I've got exhausted adrenals and am taking adrenal

> rebuilder based on Dr. 's formula. Is that similar to what you're

> taking? Is taking a plain adrenal supplement equally effective in your

> experience, or is it likely not to have the same efficacy? I too am under a

> great deal of stress at the moment. I've thought of slightly boosting the

> adrenal rebuilder or adding straight one tab of organic adrenals to see if

> it helps. I've been really exhausted lately.

>

> Thanks

>

> " Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. "

<dr.touchinsky@...<dr.touchinsky%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> Last month I

> took an adrenal complex instead (been under stress lately). During the

> winter I will probably take some extra vitamin D. I also have a few herbs

> sanding by if I start to get cold symptoms (echinacea and astagulus).

>

> I do like the idea of rotating supplements in and out of my daily routine.

> I dont like taking a thousand things everyday. I keep it simple, less than

> 5 different supplements per day.

>

> Buddy

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Thanks for your feedback, Buddy. The adrenal rebuilder has 920mg of a mix of

glandulars: adrenal, gonadal, hypothalmus, pituitary and thyroid from pigs. It

als has calcium glyco-phosphate. I take three tablets a day, one w/each meal.

It's put out by " Future Formulation, Inc. "

Yes, I've heard about Licorice being helpful, but I am one of those with

moderately high bp. Mostly, I think due to lung meds to keep me breathing. From

what i've started reading, it's not characteristic for someone to have exhausted

adrenals and even normal bp let alone high bp. Dr. only touches upon the

possibility of hardening of the arteries and then suggests to have your doc

check you further. There are a few isues like that which he just says something

rather brief and you're sort of left there on your own to figure it out. My

doctor feels that my bp issues are as I said in part, lung meds and then also a

rare symptom of hashitmoto's which I also have.

Thanks again,

" Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. " <dr.touchinsky@...> wrote:

I take an adrenal complex on occassion as extra support when I am

under

stress. The complex I use has B-complex,Vitamin C, and adrenal gladulars

(small portion). There are formulas that are heavier on the adrenal

glandular side, but I dont like to use them too much because it can create

dependancy. Something like that can be used short term for people that

really need the extra support. It basically supplies the extra hormones that

your adrenals aren't putting out on their own.

I'm not familiar with Dr. 's formulas.

I havent used it yet myself, but I hear Licorice High Grade is a good

adrenal support. It's on my next order list so I can give it a try with

people. The only problem is it is that it shouldnt be used if you have high

BP. It can elevate it even further.

Buddy

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,

What does " adrenal exhaustion " mean? I have heard there are

different stages of adrenal fatigue but I don't understand the titles.

Two tests have showed my cortisol is low as is my DHEA so I am on

natural cortisol (HC) but I never know what to call it when people

ask me why I am on HC - adrenal fatigue or just low adrenal

output??? My body seems very sensitive to even the slightest stress

and I don't often feel calm. I wake up shaky (around 4 or 5 AM when

cortisol is naturally low) so perhaps I am not taking enough HC to

heal my adrenals.

I am really enjoying this forum - learning so much!

Tina

> Last month I

> took an adrenal complex instead (been under stress lately). During

the

> winter I will probably take some extra vitamin D. I also have a few

herbs

> sanding by if I start to get cold symptoms (echinacea and

astagulus).

>

> I do like the idea of rotating supplements in and out of my daily

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> I dont like taking a thousand things everyday. I keep it simple,

less than

> 5 different supplements per day.

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> Buddy

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Tina,

I can't give you a real medical answer here as I'm learning myself. My doc has

both referred to my adrenals as severely fatigued and also exhausted. My

understanding in very ignorant lay terms is that they're close to being out of

gas. I had my adrenals tested and they were pretty much at the bottom. Sorry I

can't be any more precise and perhaps I may have used the wrong phrase. Clearly,

mental fatigue surely isn't helping my own ability to articulate.

I sympathise with how difficult it is to explain yourself to inquiring friends

and family. Adrenal fatigue is a new concept, but you know if you look around I

think that there are alot more people with significant adrenal issues. Stress

and materialism which we all have to deal with in one way or another is taking a

huge toll on many of us.

Sorry to hear that you have a tough time sleeping. For me it is more about

getting to sleep early enough. I'm exhausted through most of the day and often

find myself with the most energy late at night. It is an exercise to get to bed

early enough.

I'm learning so much too. Thanks for your good energy.

Be well,

Tina Chapek <teenee65@...> wrote:

,

What does " adrenal exhaustion " mean? I have heard there are

different stages of adrenal fatigue but I don't understand the titles.

Two tests have showed my cortisol is low as is my DHEA so I am on

natural cortisol (HC) but I never know what to call it when people

ask me why I am on HC - adrenal fatigue or just low adrenal

output??? My body seems very sensitive to even the slightest stress

and I don't often feel calm. I wake up shaky (around 4 or 5 AM when

cortisol is naturally low) so perhaps I am not taking enough HC to

heal my adrenals.

I am really enjoying this forum - learning so much!

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