Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 You are using the wrong form of salt. Refined salt pulls water from the cell creating a potassium issue and making you dehydrated. You want pure unrefined salt like Celtic or Himalayan or Redmonds. Here is the mechanism (I just wrote this for another member of a different group): Sodium concentrates in the extracellular area Potassium concentrates in the intercellular area Potassium is necessary on the inside to hold water in the cells Magnesium and Calcium share in communicating between interior and exterior "sides" If he body senses a salt deficiency, the kidneys will have to work hard to hold onto salt in the body Prolonged deficiency will lead to kidney problems. Sodium deprivation leads to toxic cells - no water to cleanse the toxins Refined sodium in the extracellular area will pull water from the interior of the cell leaving it dehydrated. Drinking water won't fix this - the cell needs minerals. Unrefined salt with the complement of minerals and adequate water will reverse this condition. Unrefined salt contains easily absorbable forms of potassium and sodium Also unrefined salt contains absorbable amounts of Mg in large amounts. This is necessary for proper function of the adrenals. Sodium is important because it helps with iodine - NIS (stands for sodium iodine symporters) and is the method by which iodine is pulled into the cells I take 1/2 to 1 tsp per day plus using it in my food. When I am detoxing bromide it is a lot more. adrenal exhaustion and salt > Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are quite exhausted, > despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years. I've recently read here > that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be Vit C, unrefined > salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition of the extra salt, as > I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get salt from my butter, > fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done while really sick came > back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't been eating, and had > been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of the necessary 5:1 > ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in my diet as I eat tons > of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since I've stopped adding it > to my food I do crave it much less. > > How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt? If I were to > experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take before I would expect to > see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right away if my > temperatures begin to stabilize)?> Thanks, > > > > Send Message: iodine > > Iodine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Me too! I like the taste. We keep it in dipping bowls on the table and eat it all day long. Steph adrenal exhaustion and salt > Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are quite exhausted, > despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years. I've recently read here > that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be Vit C, unrefined > salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition of the extra salt, as > I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get salt from my butter, > fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done while really sick came > back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't been eating, and had > been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of the necessary 5:1 > ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in my diet as I eat tons > of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since I've stopped adding it > to my food I do crave it much less. > > How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt? If I were to > experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take before I would expect to > see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right away if my > temperatures begin to stabilize)?> Thanks, > > > > Send Message: iodine > > Iodine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Ok, YUmmmm. that's a great idea. Christa iodine From: ladybugsandbees@...Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:23:28 -0400Subject: Re: adrenal exhaustion and salt Me too! I like the taste. We keep it in dipping bowls on the table and eat it all day long. Steph adrenal exhaustion and salt > Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are quite exhausted, > despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years. I've recently read here > that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be Vit C, unrefined > salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition of the extra salt, as > I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get salt from my butter, > fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done while really sick came > back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't been eating, and had > been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of the necessary 5:1 > ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in my diet as I eat tons > of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since I've stopped adding it > to my food I do crave it much less. > > How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt? If I were to > experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take before I would expect to > see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right away if my > temperatures begin to stabilize)?> Thanks, > > > > Send Message: iodine > > Iodine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Ok, YUmmmm. that's a great idea. Christa iodine From: ladybugsandbees@...Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:23:28 -0400Subject: Re: adrenal exhaustion and salt Me too! I like the taste. We keep it in dipping bowls on the table and eat it all day long. Steph adrenal exhaustion and salt > Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are quite exhausted, > despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years. I've recently read here > that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be Vit C, unrefined > salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition of the extra salt, as > I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get salt from my butter, > fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done while really sick came > back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't been eating, and had > been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of the necessary 5:1 > ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in my diet as I eat tons > of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since I've stopped adding it > to my food I do crave it much less. > > How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt? If I were to > experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take before I would expect to > see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right away if my > temperatures begin to stabilize)?> Thanks, > > > > Send Message: iodine > > Iodine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Each of us has one - the kids too and they just munch on it. Dr. Brownstein said that this was how he brought up his girls too. Steph adrenal exhaustion and salt > Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are quite exhausted, > despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years. I've recently read here > that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be Vit C, unrefined > salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition of the extra salt, as > I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get salt from my butter, > fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done while really sick came > back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't been eating, and had > been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of the necessary 5:1 > ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in my diet as I eat tons > of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since I've stopped adding it > to my food I do crave it much less. > > How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt? If I were to > experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take before I would expect to > see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right away if my > temperatures begin to stabilize)?> Thanks, > > > > Send Message: iodine > > Iodine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 " You are using the wrong form of salt " First off, thanks for the quick replies. But no, I was not using refined salt. For over a year I was using approx 1tsp/day of Redmonds in addition to the refined salt I get in my butter and nitrate free bacon (don't eat much bacon and the butter is good Amish butter which is only available as salted, which is why I buy it as opposed to unsalted), as well as the naturally occuring salt in meats and fish (free range/wild). I had pneumonia over the summer (which I now attribute in part to the adrenal exhaustion), which is when I had my bloodwork done. At that point I had eaten hardly anything over the course of five days, and had been drinking many quarts per day of lemon water with 1/2 tsp Redmonds salt added per quart. My results came back showing fairly low potassium levels. This is the main reason for my concern with the salt, as up until that point I had been using the unrefined salt for the reasons you previously mentioned. What is your opinion of the test results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 " You are using the wrong form of salt " First off, thanks for the quick replies. But no, I was not using refined salt. For over a year I was using approx 1tsp/day of Redmonds in addition to the refined salt I get in my butter and nitrate free bacon (don't eat much bacon and the butter is good Amish butter which is only available as salted, which is why I buy it as opposed to unsalted), as well as the naturally occuring salt in meats and fish (free range/wild). I had pneumonia over the summer (which I now attribute in part to the adrenal exhaustion), which is when I had my bloodwork done. At that point I had eaten hardly anything over the course of five days, and had been drinking many quarts per day of lemon water with 1/2 tsp Redmonds salt added per quart. My results came back showing fairly low potassium levels. This is the main reason for my concern with the salt, as up until that point I had been using the unrefined salt for the reasons you previously mentioned. What is your opinion of the test results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 If you are limiting salt then that is probably your problem. You need to increase use of your unrefined salt and that should take care of the problem. My K levels were low and just by increasing Celtic Salt and I did supplement with some K in a buffered C (around 400 mgs / day I beleive) my levels came up. Make sure you keep drinking pure water too. Re: adrenal exhaustion and salt > " You are using the wrong form of salt " > First off, thanks for the quick replies. But no, I was not using refined > salt. For over a year I > was using approx 1tsp/day of Redmonds in addition to the refined salt I > get in my butter > and nitrate free bacon (don't eat much bacon and the butter is good Amish > butter which is > only available as salted, which is why I buy it as opposed to unsalted), > as well as the > naturally occuring salt in meats and fish (free range/wild). I had > pneumonia over the > summer (which I now attribute in part to the adrenal exhaustion), which is > when I had my > bloodwork done. At that point I had eaten hardly anything over the course > of five days, > and had been drinking many quarts per day of lemon water with 1/2 tsp > Redmonds salt > added per quart. My results came back showing fairly low potassium levels. > This is the > main reason for my concern with the salt, as up until that point I had > been using the > unrefined salt for the reasons you previously mentioned. What is your > opinion of the test > results? > > > > > Send Message: iodine > > Iodine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Hello : The most noticeable improvements I got when trying to work on healing my adrenals was following some of the guide lines from 's book, Adrenal Fatigue and also supplementing off and on with adrendal herbal supports from Gaia Herbs and Herb Pharm. I am currently off all supplements and am doing much better--sleeping very well (at the appropriate times), and my skin and fatigue issues are also markedly improved. Some examples of his recommendations is not letting yourself go hungry since that stresses the adrenals, so eat snacks to prevent from getting too hungry between meals. The hunger swings can cause sugar imbalances and causes the adrenals to work harder. Also, when you do eat, eat all three protein, carbs, and fats together. I do go easy on the carbs in the mornings because he recommends not to eat sweets for breakfast because that also stresses the adrenals. So any fruit I might eat would be after lunchtime or thereabouts. When you do feel tired, lie down, and don't try to power through it. Lying down is much more restful that sitting down. Anyway, he has a lot more information and recommendations, but those little things were easy enough and seemed to help me a lot. Hope that helps and gives you another avenue to explore. Take care, Marla -- adrenal exhaustion and salt Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are quite exhausted, despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many months, and less strict for nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it much less. Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the addition of the extra salt would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal support? Thanks, __________ NOD32 2182 (20070411) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 In my opinion, salt was a lifesaver for me. I didn't realize I was deficient. When I began adding 1/2 tsp (Redmond's) 2 times a day my life began to come back. Sodium test also showed I was depleted. Like you, I thought I was getting enough sodium on a very healthy, clean, unprocessed diet, and I never added salt to anything. I think it nearly killed me I was so exhausted. My adrenals are depleted (like yours) and I figured I was low in iodine if I was so depleted in salt so I'm doing both trying to reestablish regular adrenal function. You can get your sodium level checked through Tri-Core or other labs but just add it and see how you feel. Rebekah jwpuppyluv wrote: > > Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are > quite exhausted, > despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years. > I've recently read here > that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be > Vit C, unrefined > salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition > of the extra salt, as > I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get > salt from my butter, > fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done > while really sick came > back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't > been eating, and had > been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of > the necessary 5:1 > ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in > my diet as I eat tons > of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since > I've stopped adding it > to my food I do crave it much less. > > How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt? > If I were to > experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take > before I would expect to > see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right > away if my > temperatures begin to stabilize)? > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 In my opinion, salt was a lifesaver for me. I didn't realize I was deficient. When I began adding 1/2 tsp (Redmond's) 2 times a day my life began to come back. Sodium test also showed I was depleted. Like you, I thought I was getting enough sodium on a very healthy, clean, unprocessed diet, and I never added salt to anything. I think it nearly killed me I was so exhausted. My adrenals are depleted (like yours) and I figured I was low in iodine if I was so depleted in salt so I'm doing both trying to reestablish regular adrenal function. You can get your sodium level checked through Tri-Core or other labs but just add it and see how you feel. Rebekah jwpuppyluv wrote: > > Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are > quite exhausted, > despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years. > I've recently read here > that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be > Vit C, unrefined > salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition > of the extra salt, as > I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get > salt from my butter, > fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done > while really sick came > back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't > been eating, and had > been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of > the necessary 5:1 > ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in > my diet as I eat tons > of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since > I've stopped adding it > to my food I do crave it much less. > > How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt? > If I were to > experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take > before I would expect to > see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right > away if my > temperatures begin to stabilize)? > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 " If you are limiting salt then that is probably your problem " No, I was NOT limiting unrefined salt at all until I got my test results back! THAT was when I decided to limit the salt. Explanation? Thanks again, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 The salt is pretty important. I use Celtic Sea salt. I don't use lots, I just replace any other salt in my diet with celtic. I add it to boiling water for pasta, I LOVE it on steamed green beans with butter (and some almond slivers and freshly cracked pepper, mmmmmmm) potatos (which I don't have often), and when I'm cooking something. I don't use much salt, but have replaced all with Celtic. Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama adrenal exhaustion and salt > Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are > quite exhausted, > despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many months, and > less strict for > nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for this > condition > seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am > concerned about the > addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my food > several months ago (I > still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when > some bloodwork I > had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels > (granted, I was really > sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts of lemon > and salt water). I > am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a > great deal of > potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I also find > that I crave salt, > however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it much less. > > Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the addition of the > extra salt > would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal support? > Thanks, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or sodium helps adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood pressure, but also helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss within cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most cases of adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their diets. However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND high blood pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go easy with their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high blood pressure for adrenal fatigued people. says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does not contain much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation of salt and sesame seeds called gomasio. Take care, Marla -- adrenal exhaustion and salt Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal support is because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts " are very low in iodine. Lorraine. adrenal exhaustion and salt > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are >> quite exhausted, >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many months, and >> less strict for >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for this >> condition >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am >> concerned about the >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my food >> several months ago (I >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when >> some bloodwork I >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels >> (granted, I was really >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts of lemon >> and salt water). I >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a >> great deal of >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I also find >> that I crave salt, >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it much less. >> >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the addition of the >> extra salt >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal support? >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 I don't believe that is true. We can easily take iodine via kelp, etc. We need salt, sodium chloride, to maintain our electrolyte balance, and that is what it is used for in the adrenal glands. Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama adrenal exhaustion and salt >> >> >>> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are >>> quite exhausted, >>> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many months, >>> and >>> less strict for >>> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for this >>> condition >>> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am >>> concerned about the >>> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my food >>> several months ago (I >>> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when >>> some bloodwork I >>> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels >>> (granted, I was really >>> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts of lemon >>> and salt water). I >>> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get >>> a >>> great deal of >>> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I also find >>> that I crave salt, >>> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it much less. >>> >>> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the addition of >>> the >>> extra salt >>> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal support? >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Marla, you're on the right track; cravings have ben established to be caused by deficiency, sometimes vitamins but espcially mineral deficiency (and of those, chromium deficiency causes the most). I'd like to warn that responding to cravings by eating is not a good idea by itself because cravings are nonspecific. We know there are mineral malabsorption issues with bowel dysbiosis so you'd need a bit more of some nutrients anyway to skew the malabsorption. Before they start salt loading even with Celtic or Himalayan etc people should just address the most common and most likely deficiencies and see if the cravings disappear. For mineral I suggest not salt souces but low-salt sources because of the ubiquitous nature of salt already in our diet, so montmorillonite and sea vegetables are two balancd whole foods that qualify. Also, I'd ster well clear of a potasium deficiency; without knowing exact levels I take some in my food because I know I get excess salt and potasium tends to deplete salt. Remember, potassium is 30 times as plentiful as sodium in healthy cells; you need lots espcially if you have been on a bad diet. Duncan > > According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or sodium helps > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood pressure, but also > helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss within > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most cases of > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their diets. > However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND high blood > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go easy with > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high blood > pressure for adrenal fatigued people. > > says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does not contain > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation of salt > and sesame seeds called gomasio. > > Take care, > > Marla > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal support is > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts " are very > low in iodine. Lorraine. > > adrenal exhaustion and salt > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are > >> quite exhausted, > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many months, and > >> less strict for > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for this > >> condition > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am > >> concerned about the > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my food > >> several months ago (I > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when > >> some bloodwork I > >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels > >> (granted, I was really > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts of lemon > >> and salt water). I > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a > >> great deal of > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I also find > >> that I crave salt, > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it much less. > >> > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the addition of the > >> extra salt > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal support? > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Thanks for the info on potassium. This I did not know. Duncan, if you don't mind, I'd like to quote you sometimes. Can you please give me a list of your credentials? Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: Marla, you're on the right track; cravings have ben established to be caused by deficiency, sometimes vitamins but espcially mineral deficiency (and of those, chromium deficiency causes the most). I'd like to warn that responding to cravings by eating is not a good idea by itself because cravings are nonspecific. We know there are mineral malabsorption issues with bowel dysbiosis so you'd need a bit more of some nutrients anyway to skew the malabsorption. Before they start salt loading even with Celtic or Himalayan etc people should just address the most common and most likely deficiencies and see if the cravings disappear. For mineral I suggest not salt souces but low-salt sources because of the ubiquitous nature of salt already in our diet, so montmorillonite and sea vegetables are two balancd whole foods that qualify. Also, I'd ster well clear of a potasium deficiency; without knowing exact levels I take some in my food because I know I get excess salt and potasium tends to deplete salt. Remember, potassium is 30 times as plentiful as sodium in healthy cells; you need lots espcially if you have been on a bad diet. Duncan > > According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or sodium helps > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood pressure, but also > helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss within > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most cases of > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their diets. > However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND high blood > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go easy with > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high blood > pressure for adrenal fatigued people. > > says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does not contain > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation of salt > and sesame seeds called gomasio. > > Take care, > > Marla > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal support is > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts " are very > low in iodine. Lorraine. > > adrenal exhaustion and salt > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are > >> quite exhausted, > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many months, and > >> less strict for > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for this > >> condition > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am > >> concerned about the > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my food > >> several months ago (I > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when > >> some bloodwork I > >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels > >> (granted, I was really > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts of lemon > >> and salt water). I > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a > >> great deal of > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I also find > >> that I crave salt, > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it much less. > >> > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the addition of the > >> extra salt > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal support? > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Marla and List Members, I recall that Dr. has a website or used to. Does anyone have the address. I've tried goggling him w/o success. Thanks, marla <talithakumi@...> wrote: Hello : Recent Activity 18 New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support on Connect w/ others find help & share Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. . __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Duncan and list members, Is there a test(s) that you reccomend to check some's vit/mineral levels or deficiencies. Are there any tests that check how well pne absorbs what they take? Thanks, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: Marla, you're on the right track; cravings have ben established to be caused by deficiency, sometimes vitamins but espcially mineral deficiency (and of those, chromium deficiency causes the most). I'd like to warn that responding to cravings by eating is not a good idea by itself because cravings are nonspecific. We know there are mineral malabsorption issues with bowel dysbiosis so you'd need a bit more of some nutrients anyway to skew the malabsorption. Before they start salt loading even with Celtic or Himalayan etc people should just address the most common and most likely deficiencies and see if the cravings disappear. For mineral I suggest not salt souces but low-salt sources because of the ubiquitous nature of salt already in our diet, so montmorillonite and sea vegetables are two balancd whole foods that qualify. Also, I'd ster well clear of a potasium deficiency; without knowing exact levels I take some in my food because I know I get excess salt and potasium tends to deplete salt. Remember, potassium is 30 times as plentiful as sodium in healthy cells; you need lots espcially if you have been on a bad diet. Duncan > > According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or sodium helps > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood pressure, but also > helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss within > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most cases of > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their diets. > However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND high blood > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go easy with > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high blood > pressure for adrenal fatigued people. > > says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does not contain > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation of salt > and sesame seeds called gomasio. > > Take care, > > Marla > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal support is > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts " are very > low in iodine. Lorraine. > > adrenal exhaustion and salt > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are > >> quite exhausted, > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many months, and > >> less strict for > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for this > >> condition > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am > >> concerned about the > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my food > >> several months ago (I > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when > >> some bloodwork I > >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels > >> (granted, I was really > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts of lemon > >> and salt water). I > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a > >> great deal of > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I also find > >> that I crave salt, > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it much less. > >> > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the addition of the > >> extra salt > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal support? > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 I found that my salt and sugar cravings were more of a symptom of my adrenal issues. I would get days where I craved salt, then sugar, then salt, then sugar, alternating all day, and nothing ever squelched the craving. Since addressing my adrenal issues, I no longer crave salt, nor sugar. Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama adrenal exhaustion and salt >> > >> > >> >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my > adrenals are >> >> quite exhausted, >> >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many > months, and >> >> less strict for >> >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for > this >> >> condition >> >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, > I am >> >> concerned about the >> >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my > food >> >> several months ago (I >> >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free > bacon) when >> >> some bloodwork I >> >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels >> >> (granted, I was really >> >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts > of lemon >> >> and salt water). I >> >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I > normally get a >> >> great deal of >> >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I > also find >> >> that I crave salt, >> >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it > much less. >> >> >> >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the > addition of the >> >> extra salt >> >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal > support? >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 , have you been pH testing fresh AM saliva? I ask because many high-salt people are actually reading low pH on the test, and potassium is a key ingredient to bringing it back up. Slightly alkaline saliva pH is an indicator that pH is OK in the lymph, and facilitating rather than neutralizing oxygen delivery to the cells. A more complete dissertation, in the Electrical Properties of Cancer cells, is available here (from Dr. Steve Haltiwanger). You can readily undestand my skepticism on salt loading being beneficial after reading this briliant monograph that addresses mineral balance and toxin load from a cellular/molecular viewpoint. http://royalrife.com/haltiwanger.html Duncan > >> > >> According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or > > sodium helps > >> adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood pressure, > > but also > >> helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss > > within > >> cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most > > cases of > >> adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their > > diets. > >> However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND > > high blood > >> pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go > > easy with > >> their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high > > blood > >> pressure for adrenal fatigued people. > >> > >> says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does > > not contain > >> much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation > > of salt > >> and sesame seeds called gomasio. > >> > >> Take care, > >> > >> Marla > >> > >> -- adrenal exhaustion and salt > >> > >> Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal > > support is > >> > >> because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts " > > are very > >> low in iodine. Lorraine. > >> > >> adrenal exhaustion and salt > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my > > adrenals are > >> >> quite exhausted, > >> >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many > > months, and > >> >> less strict for > >> >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for > > this > >> >> condition > >> >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, > > I am > >> >> concerned about the > >> >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my > > food > >> >> several months ago (I > >> >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free > > bacon) when > >> >> some bloodwork I > >> >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels > >> >> (granted, I was really > >> >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts > > of lemon > >> >> and salt water). I > >> >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I > > normally get a > >> >> great deal of > >> >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I > > also find > >> >> that I crave salt, > >> >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it > > much less. > >> >> > >> >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the > > addition of the > >> >> extra salt > >> >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal > > support? > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 I have ph tested, but not fresh am. I was slightly alkaline no matter what time of the day I tested (at the doctors office when I go, been many different times of the day). I no longer have those see-sawing cravings, however. Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama > , have you been pH testing fresh AM saliva? I ask because > many high-salt people are actually reading low pH on the test, and > potassium is a key ingredient to bringing it back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 No. Duncan > > > > According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or > sodium helps > > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood pressure, > but also > > helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss > within > > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most > cases of > > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their > diets. > > However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND > high blood > > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go > easy with > > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high > blood > > pressure for adrenal fatigued people. > > > > says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does > not contain > > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation > of salt > > and sesame seeds called gomasio. > > > > Take care, > > > > Marla > > > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt > > > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal > support is > > > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts " > are very > > low in iodine. Lorraine. > > > > adrenal exhaustion and salt > > > > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my > adrenals are > > >> quite exhausted, > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many > months, and > > >> less strict for > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for > this > > >> condition > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, > I am > > >> concerned about the > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my > food > > >> several months ago (I > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free > bacon) when > > >> some bloodwork I > > >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels > > >> (granted, I was really > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts > of lemon > > >> and salt water). I > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I > normally get a > > >> great deal of > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I > also find > > >> that I crave salt, > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it > much less. > > >> > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the > addition of the > > >> extra salt > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal > support? > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Hmm, never heard of salt as a treatment for low adrenals. I would think we tend to get plenty of sodium in our diets already. To push the salt to elevate the BP is doing so artificially. Have you tried any herbal support for the adrenals? How about glandulars. Both work very well. BT On 10/27/07, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: > > No. > > Duncan > > > > > > > > According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or > > sodium helps > > > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood > pressure, > > but also > > > helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss > > within > > > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most > > cases of > > > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their > > diets. > > > However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND > > high blood > > > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go > > easy with > > > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high > > blood > > > pressure for adrenal fatigued people. > > > > > > says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does > > not contain > > > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation > > of salt > > > and sesame seeds called gomasio. > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > Marla > > > > > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt > > > > > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal > > support is > > > > > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts " > > are very > > > low in iodine. Lorraine. > > > > > > adrenal exhaustion and salt > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my > > adrenals are > > > >> quite exhausted, > > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many > > months, and > > > >> less strict for > > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements > for > > this > > > >> condition > > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. > Well, > > I am > > > >> concerned about the > > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my > > food > > > >> several months ago (I > > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free > > bacon) when > > > >> some bloodwork I > > > >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium > levels > > > >> (granted, I was really > > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts > > of lemon > > > >> and salt water). I > > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I > > normally get a > > > >> great deal of > > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I > > also find > > > >> that I crave salt, > > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it > > much less. > > > >> > > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the > > addition of the > > > >> extra salt > > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal > > support? > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I guess you have never heard of Dr. Jeffries? http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/safe-uses " 7) It has been recognized for many years that patients with adrenal insufficiency not only are more susceptible to low levels of serum sodium, with resulting hypotension and shock, but are also more susceptible to pathologic sodium retention from excessive amounts of salt or of sodium-retaining steroids, such as aldosterone, desoxycorticosterone, or 9-alpha-fluorohydrocortisone, suggesting that the adrenals might produce a substance that protects against sodium retention. 27 8) Two hormones produced normally by the ovaries, progesterone and 17-hydrozyprogesterone, have been demonstrated to have natriuretic properties (from Janie: causing salt to be eliminated from the body through urine, lowering blood pressure) and they are known intermediary steroids in adrenal cortices in the pathway of production of cortisol, occurring in excess in certain types of congenital adrenal hyperplasia, but the possibility that they might aid in normal water balance has apparently not been investigated. 27 " http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html " Cortisol has complex and sometimes opposing effects on the cardiovascular system. The most significant of these effects is probably the control of the contraction of the walls of the arteries in regulating blood pressure. The more circulating cortisol, the more contracted the mid-sized arteries. Thus, people who are deficient in cortisol usually have pervasive low blood pressure (hypotension) and reduced reactivity to other body agents that constrict blood vessels. Cortisol also directly affects the heart. It helps regulate sodium and potassium in the heart cells and increases the strength of contraction of the heart muscle. Sodium and potassium levels are critical for normal heart function. Cortisol also tends to increase blood pressure, but this hypertensive effect is moderated by calcium and magnesium. These minerals are required to prevent the heart muscles from cramping when they contract, thus keeping the heart beating smoothly. They also help relax the walls of the arteries, counteracting and balancing the increase in smooth muscle contraction produced by cortisol " " In adrenal fatigue, the craving for salt is a direct result of the lack of adequate aldosterone. As mentioned above, aldosterone controls sodium, potassium and fluid volumes in your body. When aldosterone secretions are normal, potassium, sodium and fluid levels are also normal. When aldosterone is high, sodium is kept high in the fluids circulating in your body. However, as circulating aldosterone levels fall, sodium is removed from your bloodstream as it passes through the kidneys and is excreted in the urine. When sodium is excreted it takes water with it. Initially, there is some loss of volume of your body fluids but it does not become severe unless the condition worsens. Once your circulating sodium level drops to about 50% of its original concentration in body fluids, even a small loss of sodium or sodium restriction in your diet begins to have severe consequences. Tiny fluctuations in blood sodium concentration have a significant effect o blood volume when sodium is depleted to this level. When the sodium supply of the blood is not replenished by eating salt-containing foods or liquids, sodium and water is pulled from your interstitial fluids into the blood to keep your blood sodium levels and water volume from getting too low. If too much salt or fluid is pulled from the interstitial fluids, the small amount of sodium in the cells begins to migrate out of the cells into the interstitial fluid. The cell does not have a great reserve of sodium because it needs to maintain its 15:1 ratio of potassium to sodium. As the sodium is pulled from the cell, water follows the sodium out. This leaves the cell dehydrated as well as sodium deficient. In addition, in order to keep the sodium/potassium ratio inside the cell constant, potassium then begins to migrate out in small quantities. However, each cell has minimum requirements for the absolute amounts of sodium, potassium and water necessary for its proper function. When these requirements are not met, cell function suffers, even if the proper ratio is maintained. If you are suffering from moderately severe adrenal fatigue, you must be careful how you re-hydrate yourself. Drinking much water or liquid without adequate sodium replacement will make you feel worse because it will dilute the amount of sodium in your blood even further. Also, your cells need salt to absorb fluids because sufficient sodium must be inside the cell before water can be pulled back across the membrane into the cell. When you are already low on body fluids and electrolytes, as you are in this situation, you should always add salt to your water. Do not drink soft drinks or electrolyte-rich sports drinks, like Gatorade, because they are high in potassium and low in sodium, the opposite of what someone with low cortisol levels who is dehydrated needs. Commercial electrolyte replacement drinks are designed for people who produce an excess of cortisol when exercising, not people who are low on cortisol and aldosterone. Instead, yo are much better off having a glass of water with ¼ - 1 teaspoon salt in it, or eating something salty with water to help replenish both sodium and fluid volume. " Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama adrenal exhaustion and salt >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my >> > adrenals are >> > > >> quite exhausted, >> > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many >> > months, and >> > > >> less strict for >> > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements >> for >> > this >> > > >> condition >> > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. >> Well, >> > I am >> > > >> concerned about the >> > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my >> > food >> > > >> several months ago (I >> > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free >> > bacon) when >> > > >> some bloodwork I >> > > >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium >> levels >> > > >> (granted, I was really >> > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts >> > of lemon >> > > >> and salt water). I >> > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I >> > normally get a >> > > >> great deal of >> > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I >> > also find >> > > >> that I crave salt, >> > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it >> > much less. >> > > >> >> > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the >> > addition of the >> > > >> extra salt >> > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal >> > support? >> > > >> Thanks, >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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