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You are using the wrong form of salt. Refined salt pulls water from the cell creating a potassium issue and making you dehydrated. You want pure unrefined salt like Celtic or Himalayan or Redmonds.

Here is the mechanism (I just wrote this for another member of a different group):

Sodium concentrates in the extracellular area

Potassium concentrates in the intercellular area

Potassium is necessary on the inside to hold water in the cells

Magnesium and Calcium share in communicating between interior and exterior "sides"

If he body senses a salt deficiency, the kidneys will have to work hard to hold onto salt in the body

Prolonged deficiency will lead to kidney problems.

Sodium deprivation leads to toxic cells - no water to cleanse the toxins

Refined sodium in the extracellular area will pull water from the interior of the cell leaving it dehydrated.

Drinking water won't fix this - the cell needs minerals.

Unrefined salt with the complement of minerals and adequate water will reverse this condition.

Unrefined salt contains easily absorbable forms of potassium and sodium

Also unrefined salt contains absorbable amounts of Mg in large amounts. This is necessary for proper function of the adrenals.

Sodium is important because it helps with iodine - NIS (stands for sodium iodine symporters) and is the method by which iodine is pulled into the cells

I take 1/2 to 1 tsp per day plus using it in my food. When I am detoxing bromide it is a lot more.

adrenal exhaustion and salt

> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are quite exhausted, > despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years. I've recently read here > that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be Vit C, unrefined > salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition of the extra salt, as > I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get salt from my butter, > fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done while really sick came > back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't been eating, and had > been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of the necessary 5:1 > ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in my diet as I eat tons > of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since I've stopped adding it > to my food I do crave it much less. > > How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt? If I were to > experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take before I would expect to > see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right away if my > temperatures begin to stabilize)?> Thanks, > > > > Send Message: iodine > > Iodine

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Me too! I like the taste. We keep it in dipping bowls on the table and eat it all day long.

Steph

adrenal exhaustion and salt

> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are quite exhausted, > despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years. I've recently read here > that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be Vit C, unrefined > salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition of the extra salt, as > I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get salt from my butter, > fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done while really sick came > back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't been eating, and had > been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of the necessary 5:1 > ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in my diet as I eat tons > of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since I've stopped adding it > to my food I do crave it much less. > > How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt? If I were to > experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take before I would expect to > see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right away if my > temperatures begin to stabilize)?> Thanks, > > > > Send Message: iodine > > Iodine

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Ok, YUmmmm. that's a great idea.

Christa

iodine From: ladybugsandbees@...Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:23:28 -0400Subject: Re: adrenal exhaustion and salt

Me too! I like the taste. We keep it in dipping bowls on the table and eat it all day long.

Steph

adrenal exhaustion and salt

> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are quite exhausted, > despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years. I've recently read here > that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be Vit C, unrefined > salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition of the extra salt, as > I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get salt from my butter, > fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done while really sick came > back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't been eating, and had > been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of the necessary 5:1 > ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in my diet as I eat tons > of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since I've stopped adding it > to my food I do crave it much less. > > How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt? If I were to > experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take before I would expect to > see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right away if my > temperatures begin to stabilize)?> Thanks, > > > > Send Message: iodine > > Iodine

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Ok, YUmmmm. that's a great idea.

Christa

iodine From: ladybugsandbees@...Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:23:28 -0400Subject: Re: adrenal exhaustion and salt

Me too! I like the taste. We keep it in dipping bowls on the table and eat it all day long.

Steph

adrenal exhaustion and salt

> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are quite exhausted, > despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years. I've recently read here > that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be Vit C, unrefined > salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition of the extra salt, as > I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get salt from my butter, > fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done while really sick came > back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't been eating, and had > been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of the necessary 5:1 > ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in my diet as I eat tons > of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since I've stopped adding it > to my food I do crave it much less. > > How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt? If I were to > experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take before I would expect to > see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right away if my > temperatures begin to stabilize)?> Thanks, > > > > Send Message: iodine > > Iodine

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Each of us has one - the kids too and they just munch on it. Dr. Brownstein said that this was how he brought up his girls too.

Steph

adrenal exhaustion and salt

> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are quite exhausted, > despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years. I've recently read here > that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be Vit C, unrefined > salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition of the extra salt, as > I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get salt from my butter, > fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done while really sick came > back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't been eating, and had > been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of the necessary 5:1 > ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in my diet as I eat tons > of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since I've stopped adding it > to my food I do crave it much less. > > How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt? If I were to > experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take before I would expect to > see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right away if my > temperatures begin to stabilize)?> Thanks, > > > > Send Message: iodine > > Iodine

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" You are using the wrong form of salt "

First off, thanks for the quick replies. But no, I was not using refined salt.

For over a year I

was using approx 1tsp/day of Redmonds in addition to the refined salt I get in

my butter

and nitrate free bacon (don't eat much bacon and the butter is good Amish butter

which is

only available as salted, which is why I buy it as opposed to unsalted), as well

as the

naturally occuring salt in meats and fish (free range/wild). I had pneumonia

over the

summer (which I now attribute in part to the adrenal exhaustion), which is when

I had my

bloodwork done. At that point I had eaten hardly anything over the course of

five days,

and had been drinking many quarts per day of lemon water with 1/2 tsp Redmonds

salt

added per quart. My results came back showing fairly low potassium levels. This

is the

main reason for my concern with the salt, as up until that point I had been

using the

unrefined salt for the reasons you previously mentioned. What is your opinion of

the test

results?

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" You are using the wrong form of salt "

First off, thanks for the quick replies. But no, I was not using refined salt.

For over a year I

was using approx 1tsp/day of Redmonds in addition to the refined salt I get in

my butter

and nitrate free bacon (don't eat much bacon and the butter is good Amish butter

which is

only available as salted, which is why I buy it as opposed to unsalted), as well

as the

naturally occuring salt in meats and fish (free range/wild). I had pneumonia

over the

summer (which I now attribute in part to the adrenal exhaustion), which is when

I had my

bloodwork done. At that point I had eaten hardly anything over the course of

five days,

and had been drinking many quarts per day of lemon water with 1/2 tsp Redmonds

salt

added per quart. My results came back showing fairly low potassium levels. This

is the

main reason for my concern with the salt, as up until that point I had been

using the

unrefined salt for the reasons you previously mentioned. What is your opinion of

the test

results?

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If you are limiting salt then that is probably your problem. You need to

increase use of your unrefined salt and that should take care of the

problem. My K levels were low and just by increasing Celtic Salt and I did

supplement with some K in a buffered C (around 400 mgs / day I beleive) my

levels came up. Make sure you keep drinking pure water too.

Re: adrenal exhaustion and salt

> " You are using the wrong form of salt "

> First off, thanks for the quick replies. But no, I was not using refined

> salt. For over a year I

> was using approx 1tsp/day of Redmonds in addition to the refined salt I

> get in my butter

> and nitrate free bacon (don't eat much bacon and the butter is good Amish

> butter which is

> only available as salted, which is why I buy it as opposed to unsalted),

> as well as the

> naturally occuring salt in meats and fish (free range/wild). I had

> pneumonia over the

> summer (which I now attribute in part to the adrenal exhaustion), which is

> when I had my

> bloodwork done. At that point I had eaten hardly anything over the course

> of five days,

> and had been drinking many quarts per day of lemon water with 1/2 tsp

> Redmonds salt

> added per quart. My results came back showing fairly low potassium levels.

> This is the

> main reason for my concern with the salt, as up until that point I had

> been using the

> unrefined salt for the reasons you previously mentioned. What is your

> opinion of the test

> results?

>

>

>

>

> Send Message: iodine

>

> Iodine

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Hello :

The most noticeable improvements I got when trying to work on healing my

adrenals was following some of the guide lines from 's book,

Adrenal Fatigue and also supplementing off and on with adrendal herbal

supports from Gaia Herbs and Herb Pharm. I am currently off all supplements

and am doing much better--sleeping very well (at the appropriate times), and

my skin and fatigue issues are also markedly improved. Some examples of his

recommendations is not letting yourself go hungry since that stresses the

adrenals, so eat snacks to prevent from getting too hungry between meals.

The hunger swings can cause sugar imbalances and causes the adrenals to work

harder. Also, when you do eat, eat all three protein, carbs, and fats

together. I do go easy on the carbs in the mornings because he recommends

not to eat sweets for breakfast because that also stresses the adrenals. So

any fruit I might eat would be after lunchtime or thereabouts. When you do

feel tired, lie down, and don't try to power through it. Lying down is much

more restful that sitting down. Anyway, he has a lot more information and

recommendations, but those little things were easy enough and seemed to help

me a lot.

Hope that helps and gives you another avenue to explore.

Take care,

Marla

-- adrenal exhaustion and salt

Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are quite

exhausted,

despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many months, and

less strict for

nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for this

condition

seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am

concerned about the

addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my food several

months ago (I

still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some

bloodwork I

had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels (granted,

I was really

sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts of lemon and

salt water). I

am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a

great deal of

potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I also find

that I crave salt,

however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it much less.

Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the addition of the

extra salt

would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal support?

Thanks,

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In my opinion, salt was a lifesaver for me. I didn't realize I was

deficient. When I began adding 1/2 tsp (Redmond's) 2 times a day my life

began to come back. Sodium test also showed I was depleted. Like you, I

thought I was getting enough sodium on a very healthy, clean,

unprocessed diet, and I never added salt to anything. I think it nearly

killed me I was so exhausted. My adrenals are depleted (like yours) and

I figured I was low in iodine if I was so depleted in salt so I'm doing

both trying to reestablish regular adrenal function. You can get your

sodium level checked through Tri-Core or other labs but just add it and

see how you feel.

Rebekah

jwpuppyluv wrote:

>

> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are

> quite exhausted,

> despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years.

> I've recently read here

> that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be

> Vit C, unrefined

> salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition

> of the extra salt, as

> I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get

> salt from my butter,

> fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done

> while really sick came

> back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't

> been eating, and had

> been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of

> the necessary 5:1

> ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in

> my diet as I eat tons

> of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since

> I've stopped adding it

> to my food I do crave it much less.

>

> How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt?

> If I were to

> experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take

> before I would expect to

> see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right

> away if my

> temperatures begin to stabilize)?

> Thanks,

>

>

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In my opinion, salt was a lifesaver for me. I didn't realize I was

deficient. When I began adding 1/2 tsp (Redmond's) 2 times a day my life

began to come back. Sodium test also showed I was depleted. Like you, I

thought I was getting enough sodium on a very healthy, clean,

unprocessed diet, and I never added salt to anything. I think it nearly

killed me I was so exhausted. My adrenals are depleted (like yours) and

I figured I was low in iodine if I was so depleted in salt so I'm doing

both trying to reestablish regular adrenal function. You can get your

sodium level checked through Tri-Core or other labs but just add it and

see how you feel.

Rebekah

jwpuppyluv wrote:

>

> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are

> quite exhausted,

> despite being on a very clean, high quality diet for nearly two years.

> I've recently read here

> that the most reccommended supplements for this condition seem to be

> Vit C, unrefined

> salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am concerned about the addition

> of the extra salt, as

> I stopped adding any salt to my food several months ago (I still get

> salt from my butter,

> fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when some bloodwork I had done

> while really sick came

> back showing low potassium levels (granted, I was really sick, hadn't

> been eating, and had

> been drinking copius amounts of lemon and salt water). I am aware of

> the necessary 5:1

> ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a great deal of potassium in

> my diet as I eat tons

> of leafy greens everyday. I also find that I crave salt, however since

> I've stopped adding it

> to my food I do crave it much less.

>

> How do those of you who use this protocol feel about the extra salt?

> If I were to

> experiment with the addition of extra salt, how long would it take

> before I would expect to

> see results (I've been tracking my body temps so I would know right

> away if my

> temperatures begin to stabilize)?

> Thanks,

>

>

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" If you are limiting salt then that is probably your problem " No, I was NOT

limiting

unrefined salt at all until I got my test results back! THAT was when I decided

to limit the

salt. Explanation?

Thanks again,

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The salt is pretty important. I use Celtic Sea salt. I don't use lots, I

just replace any other salt in my diet with celtic. I add it to boiling

water for pasta, I LOVE it on steamed green beans with butter (and some

almond slivers and freshly cracked pepper, mmmmmmm) potatos (which I don't

have often), and when I'm cooking something. I don't use much salt, but have

replaced all with Celtic.

Best,

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http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

adrenal exhaustion and salt

> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are

> quite exhausted,

> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many months, and

> less strict for

> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for this

> condition

> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am

> concerned about the

> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my food

> several months ago (I

> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when

> some bloodwork I

> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels

> (granted, I was really

> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts of lemon

> and salt water). I

> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a

> great deal of

> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I also find

> that I crave salt,

> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it much less.

>

> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the addition of the

> extra salt

> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal support?

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

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According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or sodium helps

adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood pressure, but also

helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss within

cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most cases of

adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their diets.

However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND high blood

pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go easy with

their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high blood

pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does not contain

much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation of salt

and sesame seeds called gomasio.

Take care,

Marla

-- adrenal exhaustion and salt

Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal support is

because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts " are very

low in iodine. Lorraine.

adrenal exhaustion and salt

>

>

>> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are

>> quite exhausted,

>> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many months, and

>> less strict for

>> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for this

>> condition

>> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am

>> concerned about the

>> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my food

>> several months ago (I

>> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when

>> some bloodwork I

>> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels

>> (granted, I was really

>> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts of lemon

>> and salt water). I

>> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get a

>> great deal of

>> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I also find

>> that I crave salt,

>> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it much less.

>>

>> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the addition of the

>> extra salt

>> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal support?

>> Thanks,

>>

>>

>>

>>

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I don't believe that is true. We can easily take iodine via kelp, etc. We

need salt, sodium chloride, to maintain our electrolyte balance, and that is

what it is used for in the adrenal glands.

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http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

adrenal exhaustion and salt

>>

>>

>>> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my adrenals are

>>> quite exhausted,

>>> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many months,

>>> and

>>> less strict for

>>> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for this

>>> condition

>>> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well, I am

>>> concerned about the

>>> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my food

>>> several months ago (I

>>> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free bacon) when

>>> some bloodwork I

>>> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels

>>> (granted, I was really

>>> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts of lemon

>>> and salt water). I

>>> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I normally get

>>> a

>>> great deal of

>>> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I also find

>>> that I crave salt,

>>> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it much less.

>>>

>>> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the addition of

>>> the

>>> extra salt

>>> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal support?

>>> Thanks,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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Marla, you're on the right track; cravings have ben established to be

caused by deficiency, sometimes vitamins but espcially mineral

deficiency (and of those, chromium deficiency causes the most).

I'd like to warn that responding to cravings by eating is not a good

idea by itself because cravings are nonspecific.

We know there are mineral malabsorption issues with bowel dysbiosis

so you'd need a bit more of some nutrients anyway to skew the

malabsorption. Before they start salt loading even with Celtic or

Himalayan etc people should just address the most common and most

likely deficiencies and see if the cravings disappear. For mineral I

suggest not salt souces but low-salt sources because of the

ubiquitous nature of salt already in our diet, so montmorillonite and

sea vegetables are two balancd whole foods that qualify. Also, I'd

ster well clear of a potasium deficiency; without knowing exact

levels I take some in my food because I know I get excess salt ;) and

potasium tends to deplete salt. Remember, potassium is 30 times as

plentiful as sodium in healthy cells; you need lots espcially if you

have been on a bad diet.

Duncan

>

> According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or

sodium helps

> adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood pressure,

but also

> helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss

within

> cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most

cases of

> adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their

diets.

> However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND

high blood

> pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go

easy with

> their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high

blood

> pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

>

> says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does

not contain

> much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation

of salt

> and sesame seeds called gomasio.

>

> Take care,

>

> Marla

>

> -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

>

> Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal

support is

>

> because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts "

are very

> low in iodine. Lorraine.

>

> adrenal exhaustion and salt

> >

> >

> >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my

adrenals are

> >> quite exhausted,

> >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many

months, and

> >> less strict for

> >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for

this

> >> condition

> >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well,

I am

> >> concerned about the

> >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my

food

> >> several months ago (I

> >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free

bacon) when

> >> some bloodwork I

> >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels

> >> (granted, I was really

> >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts

of lemon

> >> and salt water). I

> >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I

normally get a

> >> great deal of

> >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I

also find

> >> that I crave salt,

> >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it

much less.

> >>

> >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the

addition of the

> >> extra salt

> >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal

support?

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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Thanks for the info on potassium. This I did not know. Duncan, if you don't

mind, I'd like to quote you sometimes. Can you please give me a list of your

credentials?

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: Marla, you're on the right

track; cravings have ben established to be

caused by deficiency, sometimes vitamins but espcially mineral

deficiency (and of those, chromium deficiency causes the most).

I'd like to warn that responding to cravings by eating is not a good

idea by itself because cravings are nonspecific.

We know there are mineral malabsorption issues with bowel dysbiosis

so you'd need a bit more of some nutrients anyway to skew the

malabsorption. Before they start salt loading even with Celtic or

Himalayan etc people should just address the most common and most

likely deficiencies and see if the cravings disappear. For mineral I

suggest not salt souces but low-salt sources because of the

ubiquitous nature of salt already in our diet, so montmorillonite and

sea vegetables are two balancd whole foods that qualify. Also, I'd

ster well clear of a potasium deficiency; without knowing exact

levels I take some in my food because I know I get excess salt ;) and

potasium tends to deplete salt. Remember, potassium is 30 times as

plentiful as sodium in healthy cells; you need lots espcially if you

have been on a bad diet.

Duncan

>

> According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or

sodium helps

> adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood pressure,

but also

> helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss

within

> cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most

cases of

> adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their

diets.

> However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND

high blood

> pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go

easy with

> their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high

blood

> pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

>

> says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does

not contain

> much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation

of salt

> and sesame seeds called gomasio.

>

> Take care,

>

> Marla

>

> -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

>

> Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal

support is

>

> because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts "

are very

> low in iodine. Lorraine.

>

> adrenal exhaustion and salt

> >

> >

> >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my

adrenals are

> >> quite exhausted,

> >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many

months, and

> >> less strict for

> >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for

this

> >> condition

> >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well,

I am

> >> concerned about the

> >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my

food

> >> several months ago (I

> >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free

bacon) when

> >> some bloodwork I

> >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels

> >> (granted, I was really

> >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts

of lemon

> >> and salt water). I

> >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I

normally get a

> >> great deal of

> >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I

also find

> >> that I crave salt,

> >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it

much less.

> >>

> >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the

addition of the

> >> extra salt

> >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal

support?

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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address. I've tried goggling him w/o success.

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Duncan and list members,

Is there a test(s) that you reccomend to check some's vit/mineral levels or

deficiencies. Are there any tests that check how well pne absorbs what they

take?

Thanks,

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

Marla, you're on the right track; cravings have ben established to be

caused by deficiency, sometimes vitamins but espcially mineral

deficiency (and of those, chromium deficiency causes the most).

I'd like to warn that responding to cravings by eating is not a good

idea by itself because cravings are nonspecific.

We know there are mineral malabsorption issues with bowel dysbiosis

so you'd need a bit more of some nutrients anyway to skew the

malabsorption. Before they start salt loading even with Celtic or

Himalayan etc people should just address the most common and most

likely deficiencies and see if the cravings disappear. For mineral I

suggest not salt souces but low-salt sources because of the

ubiquitous nature of salt already in our diet, so montmorillonite and

sea vegetables are two balancd whole foods that qualify. Also, I'd

ster well clear of a potasium deficiency; without knowing exact

levels I take some in my food because I know I get excess salt ;) and

potasium tends to deplete salt. Remember, potassium is 30 times as

plentiful as sodium in healthy cells; you need lots espcially if you

have been on a bad diet.

Duncan

>

> According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or

sodium helps

> adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood pressure,

but also

> helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss

within

> cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most

cases of

> adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their

diets.

> However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND

high blood

> pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go

easy with

> their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high

blood

> pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

>

> says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does

not contain

> much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation

of salt

> and sesame seeds called gomasio.

>

> Take care,

>

> Marla

>

> -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

>

> Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal

support is

>

> because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts "

are very

> low in iodine. Lorraine.

>

> adrenal exhaustion and salt

> >

> >

> >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my

adrenals are

> >> quite exhausted,

> >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many

months, and

> >> less strict for

> >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for

this

> >> condition

> >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well,

I am

> >> concerned about the

> >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my

food

> >> several months ago (I

> >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free

bacon) when

> >> some bloodwork I

> >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels

> >> (granted, I was really

> >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts

of lemon

> >> and salt water). I

> >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I

normally get a

> >> great deal of

> >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I

also find

> >> that I crave salt,

> >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it

much less.

> >>

> >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the

addition of the

> >> extra salt

> >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal

support?

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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I found that my salt and sugar cravings were more of a symptom of my adrenal

issues. I would get days where I craved salt, then sugar, then salt, then

sugar, alternating all day, and nothing ever squelched the craving. Since

addressing my adrenal issues, I no longer crave salt, nor sugar.

Best,

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http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

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happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

adrenal exhaustion and salt

>> >

>> >

>> >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my

> adrenals are

>> >> quite exhausted,

>> >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many

> months, and

>> >> less strict for

>> >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements for

> this

>> >> condition

>> >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product. Well,

> I am

>> >> concerned about the

>> >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my

> food

>> >> several months ago (I

>> >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free

> bacon) when

>> >> some bloodwork I

>> >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium levels

>> >> (granted, I was really

>> >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts

> of lemon

>> >> and salt water). I

>> >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I

> normally get a

>> >> great deal of

>> >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I

> also find

>> >> that I crave salt,

>> >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it

> much less.

>> >>

>> >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the

> addition of the

>> >> extra salt

>> >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal

> support?

>> >> Thanks,

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

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, have you been pH testing fresh AM saliva? I ask because

many high-salt people are actually reading low pH on the test, and

potassium is a key ingredient to bringing it back up.

Slightly alkaline saliva pH is an indicator that pH is OK in the

lymph, and facilitating rather than neutralizing oxygen delivery to

the cells.

A more complete dissertation, in the Electrical Properties of Cancer

cells, is available here (from Dr. Steve Haltiwanger). You can

readily undestand my skepticism on salt loading being beneficial

after reading this briliant monograph that addresses mineral balance

and toxin load from a cellular/molecular viewpoint.

http://royalrife.com/haltiwanger.html

Duncan

> >>

> >> According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or

> > sodium helps

> >> adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood

pressure,

> > but also

> >> helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss

> > within

> >> cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most

> > cases of

> >> adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their

> > diets.

> >> However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND

> > high blood

> >> pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and

go

> > easy with

> >> their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high

> > blood

> >> pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

> >>

> >> says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does

> > not contain

> >> much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a

preparation

> > of salt

> >> and sesame seeds called gomasio.

> >>

> >> Take care,

> >>

> >> Marla

> >>

> >> -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

> >>

> >> Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal

> > support is

> >>

> >> because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts "

> > are very

> >> low in iodine. Lorraine.

> >>

> >> adrenal exhaustion and salt

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my

> > adrenals are

> >> >> quite exhausted,

> >> >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many

> > months, and

> >> >> less strict for

> >> >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements

for

> > this

> >> >> condition

> >> >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product.

Well,

> > I am

> >> >> concerned about the

> >> >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my

> > food

> >> >> several months ago (I

> >> >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free

> > bacon) when

> >> >> some bloodwork I

> >> >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium

levels

> >> >> (granted, I was really

> >> >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts

> > of lemon

> >> >> and salt water). I

> >> >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I

> > normally get a

> >> >> great deal of

> >> >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I

> > also find

> >> >> that I crave salt,

> >> >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it

> > much less.

> >> >>

> >> >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the

> > addition of the

> >> >> extra salt

> >> >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal

> > support?

> >> >> Thanks,

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

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I have ph tested, but not fresh am. I was slightly alkaline no matter what

time of the day I tested (at the doctors office when I go, been many

different times of the day).

I no longer have those see-sawing cravings, however.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

> , have you been pH testing fresh AM saliva? I ask because

> many high-salt people are actually reading low pH on the test, and

> potassium is a key ingredient to bringing it back up.

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No.

Duncan

> >

> > According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or

> sodium helps

> > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood

pressure,

> but also

> > helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss

> within

> > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most

> cases of

> > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their

> diets.

> > However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND

> high blood

> > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go

> easy with

> > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high

> blood

> > pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

> >

> > says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does

> not contain

> > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation

> of salt

> > and sesame seeds called gomasio.

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> > Marla

> >

> > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

> >

> > Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal

> support is

> >

> > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts "

> are very

> > low in iodine. Lorraine.

> >

> > adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > >

> > >

> > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my

> adrenals are

> > >> quite exhausted,

> > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many

> months, and

> > >> less strict for

> > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements

for

> this

> > >> condition

> > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product.

Well,

> I am

> > >> concerned about the

> > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my

> food

> > >> several months ago (I

> > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free

> bacon) when

> > >> some bloodwork I

> > >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium

levels

> > >> (granted, I was really

> > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts

> of lemon

> > >> and salt water). I

> > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I

> normally get a

> > >> great deal of

> > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I

> also find

> > >> that I crave salt,

> > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it

> much less.

> > >>

> > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the

> addition of the

> > >> extra salt

> > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal

> support?

> > >> Thanks,

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

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Hmm, never heard of salt as a treatment for low adrenals. I would think we

tend to get plenty of sodium in our diets already. To push the salt to

elevate the BP is doing so artificially.

Have you tried any herbal support for the adrenals? How about glandulars.

Both work very well.

BT

On 10/27/07, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

>

> No.

>

> Duncan

>

>

> > >

> > > According to , author of Adrenal Fatigue, salt or

> > sodium helps

> > > adrenal fatigue because it not only helps increase blood

> pressure,

> > but also

> > > helps restore some of the other functions related to sodium loss

> > within

> > > cells. So if you crave salt, then salt. He says that in most

> > cases of

> > > adrenal fatigue salt intake benefits those who add it to their

> > diets.

> > > However, there are some rarer people who have adrenal fatigue AND

> > high blood

> > > pressure. Those with high blood pressure should be careful and go

> > easy with

> > > their salt intake. Otherwise, adding salt should not cause high

> > blood

> > > pressure for adrenal fatigued people.

> > >

> > > says that sea salt is a good source for salt, but it does

> > not contain

> > > much iodine. For more iodine he recommends kelp and a preparation

> > of salt

> > > and sesame seeds called gomasio.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > >

> > > Marla

> > >

> > > -- adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > >

> > > Could I just add here that the reason salt is advised for adrenal

> > support is

> > >

> > > because of the iodine content. Most Celtic and other " sea salts "

> > are very

> > > low in iodine. Lorraine.

> > >

> > > adrenal exhaustion and salt

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my

> > adrenals are

> > > >> quite exhausted,

> > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many

> > months, and

> > > >> less strict for

> > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements

> for

> > this

> > > >> condition

> > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product.

> Well,

> > I am

> > > >> concerned about the

> > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my

> > food

> > > >> several months ago (I

> > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free

> > bacon) when

> > > >> some bloodwork I

> > > >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium

> levels

> > > >> (granted, I was really

> > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts

> > of lemon

> > > >> and salt water). I

> > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I

> > normally get a

> > > >> great deal of

> > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I

> > also find

> > > >> that I crave salt,

> > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it

> > much less.

> > > >>

> > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the

> > addition of the

> > > >> extra salt

> > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal

> > support?

> > > >> Thanks,

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

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I guess you have never heard of Dr. Jeffries?

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/safe-uses

"

7) It has been recognized for many years that patients with adrenal

insufficiency not only are more susceptible to low levels of serum sodium,

with resulting hypotension and shock, but are also more susceptible to

pathologic sodium retention from excessive amounts of salt or of

sodium-retaining steroids, such as aldosterone, desoxycorticosterone, or

9-alpha-fluorohydrocortisone, suggesting that the adrenals might produce a

substance that protects against sodium retention. 27

8) Two hormones produced normally by the ovaries, progesterone and

17-hydrozyprogesterone, have been demonstrated to have natriuretic

properties (from Janie: causing salt to be eliminated from the body through

urine, lowering blood pressure) and they are known intermediary steroids in

adrenal cortices in the pathway of production of cortisol, occurring in

excess in certain types of congenital adrenal hyperplasia, but the

possibility that they might aid in normal water balance has apparently not

been investigated. 27 "

http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html

" Cortisol has complex and sometimes opposing effects on the cardiovascular

system. The most significant of these effects is probably the control of the

contraction of the walls of the arteries in regulating blood pressure. The

more circulating cortisol, the more contracted the mid-sized arteries. Thus,

people who are deficient in cortisol usually have pervasive low blood

pressure (hypotension) and reduced reactivity to other body agents that

constrict blood vessels.

Cortisol also directly affects the heart. It helps regulate sodium and

potassium in the heart cells and increases the strength of contraction of

the heart muscle. Sodium and potassium levels are critical for normal heart

function. Cortisol also tends to increase blood pressure, but this

hypertensive effect is moderated by calcium and magnesium. These minerals

are required to prevent the heart muscles from cramping when they contract,

thus keeping the heart beating smoothly. They also help relax the walls of

the arteries, counteracting and balancing the increase in smooth muscle

contraction produced by cortisol "

"

In adrenal fatigue, the craving for salt is a direct result of the lack of

adequate aldosterone. As mentioned above, aldosterone controls sodium,

potassium and fluid volumes in your body. When aldosterone secretions are

normal, potassium, sodium and fluid levels are also normal. When aldosterone

is high, sodium is kept high in the fluids circulating in your body.

However, as circulating aldosterone levels fall, sodium is removed from your

bloodstream as it passes through the kidneys and is excreted in the urine.

When sodium is excreted it takes water with it. Initially, there is some

loss of volume of your body fluids but it does not become severe unless the

condition worsens. Once your circulating sodium level drops to about 50% of

its original concentration in body fluids, even a small loss of sodium or

sodium restriction in your diet begins to have severe consequences. Tiny

fluctuations in blood sodium concentration have a significant effect o blood

volume when sodium is depleted to this level.

When the sodium supply of the blood is not replenished by eating

salt-containing foods or liquids, sodium and water is pulled from your

interstitial fluids into the blood to keep your blood sodium levels and

water volume from getting too low. If too much salt or fluid is pulled from

the interstitial fluids, the small amount of sodium in the cells begins to

migrate out of the cells into the interstitial fluid.

The cell does not have a great reserve of sodium because it needs to

maintain its 15:1 ratio of potassium to sodium. As the sodium is pulled from

the cell, water follows the sodium out.

This leaves the cell dehydrated as well as sodium deficient. In addition, in

order to keep the sodium/potassium ratio inside the cell constant, potassium

then begins to migrate out in small quantities. However, each cell has

minimum requirements for the absolute amounts of sodium, potassium and water

necessary for its proper function. When these requirements are not met, cell

function suffers, even if the proper ratio is maintained.

If you are suffering from moderately severe adrenal fatigue, you must be

careful how you re-hydrate yourself. Drinking much water or liquid without

adequate sodium replacement will make you feel worse because it will dilute

the amount of sodium in your blood even further. Also, your cells need salt

to absorb fluids because sufficient sodium must be inside the cell before

water can be pulled back across the membrane into the cell.

When you are already low on body fluids and electrolytes, as you are in this

situation, you should always add salt to your water. Do not drink soft

drinks or electrolyte-rich sports drinks, like Gatorade, because they are

high in potassium and low in sodium, the opposite of what someone with low

cortisol levels who is dehydrated needs. Commercial electrolyte replacement

drinks are designed for people who produce an excess of cortisol when

exercising, not people who are low on cortisol and aldosterone. Instead, yo

are much better off having a glass of water with ¼ - 1 teaspoon salt in it,

or eating something salty with water to help replenish both sodium and fluid

volume. "

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http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

adrenal exhaustion and salt

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >> Hello all, I've recentlyl come to the realization that my

>> > adrenals are

>> > > >> quite exhausted,

>> > > >> despite being on a very low carb, clean type of diet for many

>> > months, and

>> > > >> less strict for

>> > > >> nearly two years. The most commonly reccommended supplements

>> for

>> > this

>> > > >> condition

>> > > >> seem to be Vit C, unrefined salt, and a glandular product.

>> Well,

>> > I am

>> > > >> concerned about the

>> > > >> addition of the extra salt, as I stopped adding any salt to my

>> > food

>> > > >> several months ago (I

>> > > >> still get salt from my butter, fish, meat, and nitrate free

>> > bacon) when

>> > > >> some bloodwork I

>> > > >> had done while really sick came back showing low potassium

>> levels

>> > > >> (granted, I was really

>> > > >> sick, hadn't been eating, and had been drinking copius amounts

>> > of lemon

>> > > >> and salt water). I

>> > > >> am aware of the necessary 5:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. I

>> > normally get a

>> > > >> great deal of

>> > > >> potassium in my diet as I eat tons of leafy greens everyday. I

>> > also find

>> > > >> that I crave salt,

>> > > >> however since I've stopped adding it to my food I do crave it

>> > much less.

>> > > >>

>> > > >> Under the circumstances, how important do you believe the

>> > addition of the

>> > > >> extra salt

>> > > >> would be? Any other particular reccommendation for adrenal

>> > support?

>> > > >> Thanks,

>> > > >>

>> > > >>

>> > > >>

>> > > >>

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