Jump to content
RemedySpot.com

Re: protein for vegans

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts

Question for Duncan and others: Do you have a suggestion for a protein

source for vegans? I use Gold Standard undenatured whey but was

thinking of going totally vegan. I do not eat meat and am considering

eliminating dairy and all animal products from my diet. If not, I will

just have 4 servings of whey as my exception.

I lurk here a lot. I go through the same cycle over and over again. I

wish I could quit sugar and junk FOREVER!!!!

Thank,

Niki

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You can get plenty of protein from vegetables and whole grains, if that is

what you chose to do. Quinoa has a full spectrum of the essential amino

acids, so you might want to make that a staple in your diet. Then there's

nuts and beans.

Remember, bulls grow big and strong, all without eating an ounce of meat.

Now, what effect that has on glutathione production I do not know. I know

Duncan mentioned before that plant proteins are not as efficient, but after

starting my reading of the China Study, I'm not sure if that's always the

most important thing (readily absorbed animal protein). Perhaps Duncan can

comment if he's read that.

Buddy

On 11/21/07, rpmdance2002 <niki@...> wrote:

>

> Question for Duncan and others: Do you have a suggestion for a protein

> source for vegans? I use Gold Standard undenatured whey but was

> thinking of going totally vegan. I do not eat meat and am considering

> eliminating dairy and all animal products from my diet. If not, I will

> just have 4 servings of whey as my exception.

>

> I lurk here a lot. I go through the same cycle over and over again. I

> wish I could quit sugar and junk FOREVER!!!!

>

> Thank,

>

> Niki

>

>

>

--

Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

1209 Centre Turnpike

PO Box 217

Orwigsburg, PA 17961

570-366-2613 phone

570-366-2618 fax

www.bmfchiro.com

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think beacause plant proteins are not as efficient and body

builders are known to lose muscle when they go on plant protein

instead of animal protein, that a person should be healthy before

they embark on such a program. It will be difficult but not

impossible to avoid emaciation.

Duncan

> >

> > Question for Duncan and others: Do you have a suggestion for a

protein

> > source for vegans? I use Gold Standard undenatured whey but was

> > thinking of going totally vegan. I do not eat meat and am

considering

> > eliminating dairy and all animal products from my diet. If not, I

will

> > just have 4 servings of whey as my exception.

> >

> > I lurk here a lot. I go through the same cycle over and over

again. I

> > wish I could quit sugar and junk FOREVER!!!!

> >

> > Thank,

> >

> > Niki

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

> Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

> 1209 Centre Turnpike

> PO Box 217

> Orwigsburg, PA 17961

> 570-366-2613 phone

> 570-366-2618 fax

> www.bmfchiro.com

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Buddy, for what it's worth from a member of a couple of years but infrequent

poster, as

well as someone who has also read " The China Study " , I highly suggest getting

the other

side of the story, as this book greatly oversimplifies so much information.

Please read this

book review:

http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html#author

as well as this info:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/-Masterjohn.html

Compared to the length of the book, this info is VERY short. Well worth your

time, imho...

> >

> > Question for Duncan and others: Do you have a suggestion for a protein

> > source for vegans? I use Gold Standard undenatured whey but was

> > thinking of going totally vegan. I do not eat meat and am considering

> > eliminating dairy and all animal products from my diet. If not, I will

> > just have 4 servings of whey as my exception.

> >

> > I lurk here a lot. I go through the same cycle over and over again. I

> > wish I could quit sugar and junk FOREVER!!!!

> >

> > Thank,

> >

> > Niki

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

> Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

> 1209 Centre Turnpike

> PO Box 217

> Orwigsburg, PA 17961

> 570-366-2613 phone

> 570-366-2618 fax

> www.bmfchiro.com

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I will definately check that out. So far, from what I've read in the China

Study, it's hard to ignore the data. It's definately changing the way I am

looking at things. I'm eager to read an opposing viewpoint.

Buddy

On 11/22/07, jwpuppyluv <jwpuppyluv@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Buddy, for what it's worth from a member of a couple of years but

> infrequent poster, as

> well as someone who has also read " The China Study " , I highly suggest

> getting the other

> side of the story, as this book greatly oversimplifies so much

> information. Please read this

> book review:

> http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html#author

> as well as this info:

> http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/-Masterjohn.html

> Compared to the length of the book, this info is VERY short. Well worth

> your time, imho...

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Question for Duncan and others: Do you have a suggestion for a protein

> > > source for vegans? I use Gold Standard undenatured whey but was

> > > thinking of going totally vegan. I do not eat meat and am considering

> > > eliminating dairy and all animal products from my diet. If not, I will

> > > just have 4 servings of whey as my exception.

> > >

> > > I lurk here a lot. I go through the same cycle over and over again. I

> > > wish I could quit sugar and junk FOREVER!!!!

> > >

> > > Thank,

> > >

> > > Niki

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

> > Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

> > 1209 Centre Turnpike

> > PO Box 217

> > Orwigsburg, PA 17961

> > 570-366-2613 phone

> > 570-366-2618 fax

> > www.bmfchiro.com

> >

> >

> >

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If you want a personal viewpoint on protein, I think it depends on one's

metabolic type. several decades of trying to be vegetarian, followed by

10-12 years of trying hard to be vegan along with the associated very

large amounts of soy foods (often eating soy at every meal)...........I

do believe now that all of that is in large part responsible for the

state my health got into. I think I would have ended up even sicker if

I had been more successful at never eating meat or animal products.

I now consider myself a recovering vegetarian. I'm doing much better

since going back to being a carnivore, and mostly getting off all

unfermented soy foods and trying to limit the common vegetable oils,

substituting animal fats and VCO.

sol

Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote:

> I will definately check that out. So far, from what I've read in the China

> Study, it's hard to ignore the data. It's definately changing the way I am

> looking at things. I'm eager to read an opposing viewpoint.

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

i agree! my doctor, an osteopath, said it's important that i need

meat, as i need it. however, i do cut down on red meat. the dr. said

vegetarians have many illnesses. hope this doesn't start anything.

however, we all need different things.

> > I will definately check that out. So far, from what I've read in

the China

> > Study, it's hard to ignore the data. It's definately changing the

way I am

> > looking at things. I'm eager to read an opposing viewpoint.

> >

> >

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

After reading through more of the links posted, I do think he has a good

point. The author of the China Study, in my opinion, takes too much of a

leap to say that we should all go straight vegan. He does make a good case

for limiting animal protein consumption to around 5-10% versus the average

20%, but I'm not sure cutting them out altogether is good either. If we're

going to cut out anything completely, I'd say cut out all refined wheat

products.

Buddy

On 11/25/07, sol <solbun@...> wrote:

>

> If you want a personal viewpoint on protein, I think it depends on one's

>

> metabolic type. several decades of trying to be vegetarian, followed by

> 10-12 years of trying hard to be vegan along with the associated very

> large amounts of soy foods (often eating soy at every meal)...........I

> do believe now that all of that is in large part responsible for the

> state my health got into. I think I would have ended up even sicker if

> I had been more successful at never eating meat or animal products.

> I now consider myself a recovering vegetarian. I'm doing much better

> since going back to being a carnivore, and mostly getting off all

> unfermented soy foods and trying to limit the common vegetable oils,

> substituting animal fats and VCO.

> sol

>

> Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote:

> > I will definately check that out. So far, from what I've read in the

> China

> > Study, it's hard to ignore the data. It's definately changing the way I

> am

> > looking at things. I'm eager to read an opposing viewpoint.

> >

> >

>

>

>

--

Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

1209 Centre Turnpike

PO Box 217

Orwigsburg, PA 17961

570-366-2613 phone

570-366-2618 fax

www.bmfchiro.com

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Buddy,

Have you ever read " The Metabolic Typing Diet " ? The amount of protein

needed by any individual is very individual........5-10% is not enough

for me by any means. Not even close to enough. 20% also isn't enough, by

quite a margin. I do best on an Atkins type eating plan (without the

crap soy foods, though).

sol

Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote:

> After reading through more of the links posted, I do think he has a good

> point. The author of the China Study, in my opinion, takes too much of a

> leap to say that we should all go straight vegan. He does make a good case

> for limiting animal protein consumption to around 5-10% versus the average

> 20%,

Link to comment
Share on other sites

No, I have not read that book.

Oh, and I meant 5-10% from animal sources. There's plenty of plant based

protein out there too.

Buddy

On 11/25/07, sol <solbun@...> wrote:

>

> Buddy,

> Have you ever read " The Metabolic Typing Diet " ? The amount of protein

> needed by any individual is very individual........5-10% is not enough

> for me by any means. Not even close to enough. 20% also isn't enough, by

> quite a margin. I do best on an Atkins type eating plan (without the

> crap soy foods, though).

> sol

>

> Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote:

> > After reading through more of the links posted, I do think he has a good

> > point. The author of the China Study, in my opinion, takes too much of a

> > leap to say that we should all go straight vegan. He does make a good

> case

> > for limiting animal protein consumption to around 5-10% versus the

> average

> > 20%,

>

>

>

--

Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

1209 Centre Turnpike

PO Box 217

Orwigsburg, PA 17961

570-366-2613 phone

570-366-2618 fax

www.bmfchiro.com

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah, I know about plant based proteins, that is the basis of how I got

in such bad health.

I realize you meant 5-10% from animal sources. I aim for about 40%

protein (percentage of total daily diet).

I NEED to eat protein every time I eat. This is what I feel best with.

Knowing now how much better I do on a high protein high fat diet, I can

understand better why I got so ill with only plant proteins.

Ethically and emotionally, I'd prefer to be vegan. Unfortunately my body

doesn't give a damn about my food ideas. It needs what it needs.

sol

Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote:

> No, I have not read that book.

>

> Oh, and I meant 5-10% from animal sources. There's plenty of plant based

> protein out there too.

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sol and Buddy, I could've written this post myself; it describes me to

a tee. I highly caution anyone considering going vegan, or even

vegetarian.

> > No, I have not read that book.

> >

> > Oh, and I meant 5-10% from animal sources. There's plenty of

plant based

> > protein out there too.

> >

> >

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

When I was weaning myself off Prednisone and my immune system was working

overtime, I was advised by some pharmacists to eat MEAT and that this

wasn't the time to watch my diet. And that you need the protein from

meat to help heal your body.

I do that now because it seems to get me back to normal quickly.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I find the protein discussion very interesting and I agree that people's needs

are different based on metabolic type.

On a different type of diet: while I do not completely agree that the

blood-type diet is accurate, I also have to say that as a blood type A+, I fit

most of the characteristics that that diet lists for Blood Type A! My body does

not need much animal protein, but when I tried to go completely off of it, I got

sick. I also try to stay away from non-fermented soy now.

W

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...