Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Question for Duncan and others: Do you have a suggestion for a protein source for vegans? I use Gold Standard undenatured whey but was thinking of going totally vegan. I do not eat meat and am considering eliminating dairy and all animal products from my diet. If not, I will just have 4 servings of whey as my exception. I lurk here a lot. I go through the same cycle over and over again. I wish I could quit sugar and junk FOREVER!!!! Thank, Niki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 You can get plenty of protein from vegetables and whole grains, if that is what you chose to do. Quinoa has a full spectrum of the essential amino acids, so you might want to make that a staple in your diet. Then there's nuts and beans. Remember, bulls grow big and strong, all without eating an ounce of meat. Now, what effect that has on glutathione production I do not know. I know Duncan mentioned before that plant proteins are not as efficient, but after starting my reading of the China Study, I'm not sure if that's always the most important thing (readily absorbed animal protein). Perhaps Duncan can comment if he's read that. Buddy On 11/21/07, rpmdance2002 <niki@...> wrote: > > Question for Duncan and others: Do you have a suggestion for a protein > source for vegans? I use Gold Standard undenatured whey but was > thinking of going totally vegan. I do not eat meat and am considering > eliminating dairy and all animal products from my diet. If not, I will > just have 4 servings of whey as my exception. > > I lurk here a lot. I go through the same cycle over and over again. I > wish I could quit sugar and junk FOREVER!!!! > > Thank, > > Niki > > > -- Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic 1209 Centre Turnpike PO Box 217 Orwigsburg, PA 17961 570-366-2613 phone 570-366-2618 fax www.bmfchiro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I think beacause plant proteins are not as efficient and body builders are known to lose muscle when they go on plant protein instead of animal protein, that a person should be healthy before they embark on such a program. It will be difficult but not impossible to avoid emaciation. Duncan > > > > Question for Duncan and others: Do you have a suggestion for a protein > > source for vegans? I use Gold Standard undenatured whey but was > > thinking of going totally vegan. I do not eat meat and am considering > > eliminating dairy and all animal products from my diet. If not, I will > > just have 4 servings of whey as my exception. > > > > I lurk here a lot. I go through the same cycle over and over again. I > > wish I could quit sugar and junk FOREVER!!!! > > > > Thank, > > > > Niki > > > > > > > > > > -- > Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. > Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic > 1209 Centre Turnpike > PO Box 217 > Orwigsburg, PA 17961 > 570-366-2613 phone > 570-366-2618 fax > www.bmfchiro.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Hi Buddy, for what it's worth from a member of a couple of years but infrequent poster, as well as someone who has also read " The China Study " , I highly suggest getting the other side of the story, as this book greatly oversimplifies so much information. Please read this book review: http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html#author as well as this info: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/-Masterjohn.html Compared to the length of the book, this info is VERY short. Well worth your time, imho... > > > > Question for Duncan and others: Do you have a suggestion for a protein > > source for vegans? I use Gold Standard undenatured whey but was > > thinking of going totally vegan. I do not eat meat and am considering > > eliminating dairy and all animal products from my diet. If not, I will > > just have 4 servings of whey as my exception. > > > > I lurk here a lot. I go through the same cycle over and over again. I > > wish I could quit sugar and junk FOREVER!!!! > > > > Thank, > > > > Niki > > > > > > > > > > -- > Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. > Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic > 1209 Centre Turnpike > PO Box 217 > Orwigsburg, PA 17961 > 570-366-2613 phone > 570-366-2618 fax > www.bmfchiro.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I will definately check that out. So far, from what I've read in the China Study, it's hard to ignore the data. It's definately changing the way I am looking at things. I'm eager to read an opposing viewpoint. Buddy On 11/22/07, jwpuppyluv <jwpuppyluv@...> wrote: > > Hi Buddy, for what it's worth from a member of a couple of years but > infrequent poster, as > well as someone who has also read " The China Study " , I highly suggest > getting the other > side of the story, as this book greatly oversimplifies so much > information. Please read this > book review: > http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html#author > as well as this info: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/-Masterjohn.html > Compared to the length of the book, this info is VERY short. Well worth > your time, imho... > > > > > > > > > Question for Duncan and others: Do you have a suggestion for a protein > > > source for vegans? I use Gold Standard undenatured whey but was > > > thinking of going totally vegan. I do not eat meat and am considering > > > eliminating dairy and all animal products from my diet. If not, I will > > > just have 4 servings of whey as my exception. > > > > > > I lurk here a lot. I go through the same cycle over and over again. I > > > wish I could quit sugar and junk FOREVER!!!! > > > > > > Thank, > > > > > > Niki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. > > Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic > > 1209 Centre Turnpike > > PO Box 217 > > Orwigsburg, PA 17961 > > 570-366-2613 phone > > 570-366-2618 fax > > www.bmfchiro.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 If you want a personal viewpoint on protein, I think it depends on one's metabolic type. several decades of trying to be vegetarian, followed by 10-12 years of trying hard to be vegan along with the associated very large amounts of soy foods (often eating soy at every meal)...........I do believe now that all of that is in large part responsible for the state my health got into. I think I would have ended up even sicker if I had been more successful at never eating meat or animal products. I now consider myself a recovering vegetarian. I'm doing much better since going back to being a carnivore, and mostly getting off all unfermented soy foods and trying to limit the common vegetable oils, substituting animal fats and VCO. sol Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote: > I will definately check that out. So far, from what I've read in the China > Study, it's hard to ignore the data. It's definately changing the way I am > looking at things. I'm eager to read an opposing viewpoint. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 i agree! my doctor, an osteopath, said it's important that i need meat, as i need it. however, i do cut down on red meat. the dr. said vegetarians have many illnesses. hope this doesn't start anything. however, we all need different things. > > I will definately check that out. So far, from what I've read in the China > > Study, it's hard to ignore the data. It's definately changing the way I am > > looking at things. I'm eager to read an opposing viewpoint. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 After reading through more of the links posted, I do think he has a good point. The author of the China Study, in my opinion, takes too much of a leap to say that we should all go straight vegan. He does make a good case for limiting animal protein consumption to around 5-10% versus the average 20%, but I'm not sure cutting them out altogether is good either. If we're going to cut out anything completely, I'd say cut out all refined wheat products. Buddy On 11/25/07, sol <solbun@...> wrote: > > If you want a personal viewpoint on protein, I think it depends on one's > > metabolic type. several decades of trying to be vegetarian, followed by > 10-12 years of trying hard to be vegan along with the associated very > large amounts of soy foods (often eating soy at every meal)...........I > do believe now that all of that is in large part responsible for the > state my health got into. I think I would have ended up even sicker if > I had been more successful at never eating meat or animal products. > I now consider myself a recovering vegetarian. I'm doing much better > since going back to being a carnivore, and mostly getting off all > unfermented soy foods and trying to limit the common vegetable oils, > substituting animal fats and VCO. > sol > > Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote: > > I will definately check that out. So far, from what I've read in the > China > > Study, it's hard to ignore the data. It's definately changing the way I > am > > looking at things. I'm eager to read an opposing viewpoint. > > > > > > > -- Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic 1209 Centre Turnpike PO Box 217 Orwigsburg, PA 17961 570-366-2613 phone 570-366-2618 fax www.bmfchiro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Buddy, Have you ever read " The Metabolic Typing Diet " ? The amount of protein needed by any individual is very individual........5-10% is not enough for me by any means. Not even close to enough. 20% also isn't enough, by quite a margin. I do best on an Atkins type eating plan (without the crap soy foods, though). sol Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote: > After reading through more of the links posted, I do think he has a good > point. The author of the China Study, in my opinion, takes too much of a > leap to say that we should all go straight vegan. He does make a good case > for limiting animal protein consumption to around 5-10% versus the average > 20%, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 No, I have not read that book. Oh, and I meant 5-10% from animal sources. There's plenty of plant based protein out there too. Buddy On 11/25/07, sol <solbun@...> wrote: > > Buddy, > Have you ever read " The Metabolic Typing Diet " ? The amount of protein > needed by any individual is very individual........5-10% is not enough > for me by any means. Not even close to enough. 20% also isn't enough, by > quite a margin. I do best on an Atkins type eating plan (without the > crap soy foods, though). > sol > > Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote: > > After reading through more of the links posted, I do think he has a good > > point. The author of the China Study, in my opinion, takes too much of a > > leap to say that we should all go straight vegan. He does make a good > case > > for limiting animal protein consumption to around 5-10% versus the > average > > 20%, > > > -- Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic 1209 Centre Turnpike PO Box 217 Orwigsburg, PA 17961 570-366-2613 phone 570-366-2618 fax www.bmfchiro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Yeah, I know about plant based proteins, that is the basis of how I got in such bad health. I realize you meant 5-10% from animal sources. I aim for about 40% protein (percentage of total daily diet). I NEED to eat protein every time I eat. This is what I feel best with. Knowing now how much better I do on a high protein high fat diet, I can understand better why I got so ill with only plant proteins. Ethically and emotionally, I'd prefer to be vegan. Unfortunately my body doesn't give a damn about my food ideas. It needs what it needs. sol Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote: > No, I have not read that book. > > Oh, and I meant 5-10% from animal sources. There's plenty of plant based > protein out there too. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Sol and Buddy, I could've written this post myself; it describes me to a tee. I highly caution anyone considering going vegan, or even vegetarian. > > No, I have not read that book. > > > > Oh, and I meant 5-10% from animal sources. There's plenty of plant based > > protein out there too. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 When I was weaning myself off Prednisone and my immune system was working overtime, I was advised by some pharmacists to eat MEAT and that this wasn't the time to watch my diet. And that you need the protein from meat to help heal your body. I do that now because it seems to get me back to normal quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 I find the protein discussion very interesting and I agree that people's needs are different based on metabolic type. On a different type of diet: while I do not completely agree that the blood-type diet is accurate, I also have to say that as a blood type A+, I fit most of the characteristics that that diet lists for Blood Type A! My body does not need much animal protein, but when I tried to go completely off of it, I got sick. I also try to stay away from non-fermented soy now. W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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