Sleepy

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Dear Sue,

I am only 3 months ahead of you having my MGB and like you, I thought I was

doing ok without my vitamins. Now my hair is falling out by the handfuls and

I am desperately taking all kinds of vitamins and supplements trying to get

it to stop but so far, without success.

I lose so much hair every time I brush or wash my hair that it is alarming.

And while my old hair is thick and course, the last inch from the root is

thin and weak when it has fallen out. There is a very noticeable difference

in the hair health of every strand!

I would do anything to go back and be able to faithfully take my vitamins if

I could. So I beg you! Take your vitamins! Or you will painfully regret your

decision, as I am now.

Bankie in SC

12-15-00

272/200? My doctor's appt is Tues so I'll know for sure

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Bankie,

Thank you for sharing that! It is really easy, especially when you are

feeling fine, to just scrap all the directions....it's harder to admit that

Ooops I may have done something to myself ....but you did so to help others

not suffer what you are going through.

I hope the Dr. will help you figure out a way to stop the loss quickly. And

I also hope the vitamins you take now kick in and jump start your new

regrowth, allowing you to have a great head of hair once again!

Hugs,

in Ark

3-08 Just entering hairloss country~~hoping it all stays where it is!! Except

the gray ones...LOL JK I am, without tint, about 80% gray!

322-253

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From what I have been told the hair loss is somewhat of a hit and miss

thing - some will have it some will not. I do take my vitamins and only

experienced a little loss for about a month. I also religiously use Nexxus

Keraphix conditioner every day and my hair at 8 months and a week is in

better condition than it has been in years.

Re: Sleepy

> Dear Sue,

> I am only 3 months ahead of you having my MGB and like you, I thought I

was

> doing ok without my vitamins. Now my hair is falling out by the handfuls

and

> I am desperately taking all kinds of vitamins and supplements trying to

get

> it to stop but so far, without success.

>

> I lose so much hair every time I brush or wash my hair that it is

alarming.

> And while my old hair is thick and course, the last inch from the root is

> thin and weak when it has fallen out. There is a very noticeable

difference

> in the hair health of every strand!

>

> I would do anything to go back and be able to faithfully take my vitamins

if

> I could. So I beg you! Take your vitamins! Or you will painfully regret

your

> decision, as I am now.

>

> Bankie in SC

> 12-15-00

> 272/200? My doctor's appt is Tues so I'll know for sure

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mark,

I was hoping someone else might jump in on this one.

My feeling is that a great majority of people who come for training have had

seriously disturbed sleep for a long time. One of the big disturbances has

to do with the ability to get to sleep or get back to sleep. SMR training

produces " sleep spindles " , and it often puts clients to sleep during

training early on. I don't fight it. If it continues after several

sessions, then I might try bumping the frequency up a touch to see if I can

get the same calming and quieting effect without the sleepiness.

Clients doing theta down or beta up training also often feel sleepy. I

think there (and this is to some extent true with the SMR-ites as well) the

issue may simply be that the brain has been restricting its theta for a

while and you get a kind of rebound. " Every action produces and equal and

opposite reaction " .

Bottom line is that is usually goes away as the client's brain gets stronger

and more stable.

Pete

Sleepy

Pete:

I keep running into this side effect from training. Clients in their

early sessions get very sleepy afterwards. I don't mean drowsy, I mean a

day or two of real sleepiness. I don't really understand it. I noticed

it once on myself. After a session of SMR I have to go lay down and take

a short nap.

Am I the only one running into this phenomenon? What should I do about

it?

Mark

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Mark:

My daughter went through a sleepy phase the first week or so. I started

doing C4 SMR on myself and it's knocked me off my feet. However, I was sleep

deprived for years due to my daughters night terrors. I tried many

nutritional supplements and Rx sleeping pills but nothing could get me

regualted. With the NF I feel like a hibernating bear - peaceful, relaxed

and rested for the first time in years. It's a welcome relief from the

insomnia.

D

> I keep running into this side effect from training. Clients in their

> early sessions get very sleepy afterwards. I don't mean drowsy, I mean a

> day or two of real sleepiness. I don't really understand it. I noticed

> it once on myself. After a session of SMR I have to go lay down and take

> a short nap.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark,

I have clients who train SMR up and feel tired for a few days as well., and

sometimes report they feel lethargic and tired (ADHD and anxiety clients).

They describe themselves as calmer and have less of an " edge, " after

training, and would like to have more energy. In these cases I usually bump

up the SMR/Lo beta up by a 1/2 HZ to see if this helps to keep the client

calm with more energy. I continue to bump up by 1/2 HZ increments until we

achieve desired results. I think trying to get a good balance can be a

challenge.

I have also noticed that hyper or anxious clients do not know what it feels

like to be calm or relaxed but they describe it as tired. Great question,

would like to hear more clinical reporting on the list.

Best,

JoAnn

Biofeedback Center of Florida,INC

Bonita Springs, Florida 34135

239-949-2300

[Guest guest]

;

Would you mind describing the specifics of your C4 SMR training?

How long were sessions? eys open or closed? tasks? frequency?

Thanks

SDC

-- In @y..., nldglf@a... wrote:

> Mark:

> My daughter went through a sleepy phase the first week or so. I

started

> doing C4 SMR on myself and it's knocked me off my feet. However, I

was sleep

> deprived for years due to my daughters night terrors. I tried many

> nutritional supplements and Rx sleeping pills but nothing could get

me

> regualted. With the NF I feel like a hibernating bear - peaceful,

relaxed

> and rested for the first time in years. It's a welcome relief from

the

> insomnia.

> D

>

>

> > I keep running into this side effect from training. Clients in

their

> > early sessions get very sleepy afterwards. I don't mean drowsy, I

mean a

> > day or two of real sleepiness. I don't really understand it. I

noticed

> > it once on myself. After a session of SMR I have to go lay down

and take

> > a short nap.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

JoAnn:

Thanks for the feedback to you and all the others who responded. What is

interesting about my experience is that I have had this sleepy response

to left side Beta as well as T3/4 training. I guess when you are so

wound up and lower freq. training must feel like you suddenly took your

foot off the accelerator.

Mark

Re: Sleepy

Hi Mark,

I have clients who train SMR up and feel tired for a few days as well.,

and

sometimes report they feel lethargic and tired (ADHD and anxiety

clients).

They describe themselves as calmer and have less of an " edge, " after

training, and would like to have more energy. In these cases I usually

bump

up the SMR/Lo beta up by a 1/2 HZ to see if this helps to keep the

client

calm with more energy. I continue to bump up by 1/2 HZ increments until

we

achieve desired results. I think trying to get a good balance can be a

challenge.

I have also noticed that hyper or anxious clients do not know what it

feels

like to be calm or relaxed but they describe it as tired. Great

question,

would like to hear more clinical reporting on the list.

Best,

JoAnn

Biofeedback Center of Florida,INC

Bonita Springs, Florida 34135

239-949-2300

[Guest guest]

Mark, JoAnn,

I have had similar reports from clients to lo beta and beta training.

I work with a lot of kids who are very wound up, attentional

problems, anxiety, long abuse histories. These kids tend to get ver

tired with any type of training. I had one 12 yr old who had always

been anxious but really struggled after 9-11 and would not go into

the shower unless some one was outside the bathroom door and waas

back to sleeping in hsi parents bed. After one of his sessions he

told me he had gone to sleep. He then continued to tell me that he

had heard the noise outside the office, been awae of teh times I

changed the sounds on the computer and seeral other things that had

happened duriong the session. As we talkd afterwards he was

astounded that he had nopt really been asleep at all just very calm.

I asked him when was the last time he felr like this and he said

" never " . I was doing two channel training f3 a1 mastoid a2 f4

using a windowed squash on the BMScope and using midi tones to for

rewarding left side 15-18 and right side 11-14.

None of the kids I work with have complained about the feeling of

low energy, they mostly report on teh cool stuff they have been able

to do at home in school or in sports. I do think the mislable the

feeling as tired as they have no real idea of what calm is like.

I have had some adults complain of the tiredness and have done what

JoAnn reported with bumping up the frequency when I have been doing a

bipolar placement , or if I have been training one sided smr or beta

have gone to two channels, smr right and beta left and this has

seemed to help as well.

>Hi Mark,

>I have clients who train SMR up and feel tired for a few days as well., and

>sometimes report they feel lethargic and tired (ADHD and anxiety clients).

>They describe themselves as calmer and have less of an " edge, " after

>training, and would like to have more energy. In these cases I usually bump

>up the SMR/Lo beta up by a 1/2 HZ to see if this helps to keep the client

>calm with more energy. I continue to bump up by 1/2 HZ increments until we

>achieve desired results. I think trying to get a good balance can be a

>challenge.

>I have also noticed that hyper or anxious clients do not know what it feels

>like to be calm or relaxed but they describe it as tired. Great question,

>would like to hear more clinical reporting on the list.

>Best,

>JoAnn

>

>Biofeedback Center of Florida,INC

>Bonita Springs, Florida 34135

>239-949-2300

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

JoAnn

Sure seems that way to me, and in that context the tiredness/ fatique

is not necessarily something to avoid but something that may respond

to ongoing conditioning much like physical execise. Of course we

need to make sure we are not over over exercising, but s I said

earlier I have not seen this as an ongoing problem for anyone I have

trained.

At 8:32 PM -0400 10/18/02, Biocenterflorida@... wrote:

>Mark, ...all

>I too, have seen clients (adults and kids) get very tired during

>training sessions with an increase in beta at C3 or F3. It seems to

>me that training requires the brain to " work " and I wonder if that

>accounts for some of the tired feelings?

>JoAnn

>

>Biofeedback Center of Florida,INC

>Bonita Springs, Florida 34135

>239-949-2300

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Yes, I felt drugged sleepy when I was first on the candida diet!