Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 The comment was based, as mine usually are, on my own experience, Rich, but others have made the same observation. The nutrients in undenatured whey should be absorbed within 30 minutes and the initial effect is some degree of increased fatigue, depending on how much the immune system is boosted. However, after about three hours, there is a period of restlessness lasting maybe another three hours and this can be bothersome if the whey is taken at bedtime. The speculation is as to the cause, but I think the timing suggests intermediate substances. Any ideas? Rob Re: ImmunePro Rob, This is an interesting idea. I'm wondering if you know of evidence that ImmunePro produces excitotoxin effects on circadian rhythms, or if you are simply speculating about this on the basis that it is composed of protein, which is made up of amino acids, a couple of which can serve as excitotoxins under some circumstances. After all, essentially all dietary protein contains glutamic acid. Rich > > Mike, > > My experience has been exactly the same as yours -- big surge for a few > months in immune response to presumed opportunistic infections followed by > zilch, whether I take it or not. I don't say that it doesn't raise > glutathione levels, but the effect that folks notice is due IMO to the > immunoglobulins. The main drawback with it is the excitotoxins that can > further disrupt circadian rhythms. > > Rob This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 That's right! You might as well stop eating protein if you're worried about excitotoxins. >From: " rvankonynen <richvank@...> " <richvank@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: ImmunePro >Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:45:00 -0000 > >Rob, > >This is an interesting idea. I'm wondering if you know of evidence >that ImmunePro produces excitotoxin effects on circadian rhythms, or >if you are simply speculating about this on the basis that it is >composed of protein, which is made up of amino acids, a couple of >which can serve as excitotoxins under some circumstances. After >all, essentially all dietary protein contains glutamic acid. > >Rich > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > My experience has been exactly the same as yours -- big surge for >a few > > months in immune response to presumed opportunistic infections >followed by > > zilch, whether I take it or not. I don't say that it doesn't raise > > glutathione levels, but the effect that folks notice is due IMO to >the > > immunoglobulins. The main drawback with it is the excitotoxins >that can > > further disrupt circadian rhythms. > > > > Rob > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 Rob, I don't know what would cause this. As you know, the main possibilities are lactoferrin, immunoglobulins, or other whey proteins. Perhaps the immunoglobulins are involved in this later restlessness. Rich > > > > > Mike, > > > > My experience has been exactly the same as yours -- big surge for > a few > > months in immune response to presumed opportunistic infections > followed by > > zilch, whether I take it or not. I don't say that it doesn't raise > > glutathione levels, but the effect that folks notice is due IMO to > the > > immunoglobulins. The main drawback with it is the excitotoxins > that can > > further disrupt circadian rhythms. > > > > Rob > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Trudy- good question. Initially IP was like a miracle supplement. After a period of a few months the miracle feeling went away, but I can't say that I wasn't getting a good benenfit from it. I would definitely recommend it to anyone who hasn't tried it. However, we seem to all be different and some folks might not get the good experience that I had with it. Mike C. > Hi Mike C, > > What happened with your experience with ImmunePro? Didn't the benefit > last? How long were you on it? > > Kind regards, > Trudy > > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 02:11:44 -0000 > From: " yakcamp22 " <yakcamp22@s...> > Subject: Re: easy pickings > > Hi Dan- ImmunePro was a big benefit to me initially. I am trying > another whey that I just got today from Whole Foods, but the > ImmunePro whey is the one that Cheney suggested. Good luck > and you are right in reducing refined sugar. > > Mike C. (You can get ImmunePro at needs4u.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Hi Mike C, That is interesting--it sounds like when I first was put on steroids! ;-) ...although I wouldn't recommend steroids, unless a person absolutely needs them. How much ImmunePro were you taking? How high was your functioning level in the beginning? What did it drop down to? Are you currently taking ImmunePro? If not, why? Have you tried any other whey products? If so, how did they compare? Sorry for all the questions. I appreciate talking to people who have actual experience with this. Kind regards, Trudy Message: 18 Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 00:38:34 -0000 From: " yakcamp22 " <yakcamp22@...> Subject: Re: ImmunePro Trudy- good question. Initially IP was like a miracle supplement. After a period of a few months the miracle feeling went away, but I can't say that I wasn't getting a good benenfit from it. I would definitely recommend it to anyone who hasn't tried it. However, we seem to all be different and some folks might not get the good experience that I had with it. Mike C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Hi Trudy- it's been years so I can't remember all of the details. Initially the ImmunePro (IP) came w/ a 10 gram scoop. Then, people were saying that was too much so now it comes w/ a 5 gram scoop. I took less than 10 grams initially anyway because I wanted to see how I would react to it, and 5-6 grams were enough. Re functioning, this might explain it better than giving you percentage figures. Within two weeks of getting my first batch of IP, we went to Disneyworld (my kid was about 6 then). Based on my pre IP condition, I thought I would have to stay in the hotel most of the day while my wife and daughter went out. However, I was able to keep up with them for most of the day at the Magic Kingdom, Sea World, etc. So maybe it took my energy level from 50% to 85%. The good news is that as long as I took the IP, I stayed at 85%. But, in my case anyway, I wanted to get to 100% and the IP couldn't do that. Basically, I think after a year or two the IP did what it was going to do, and I didn't get better and better. I am not taking IP on a regular basis anymore, but I order it from NEEDS periodically. I just bot a different whey, Biochem Ultimate Lo Carb, which someone on this list recommended. It is *almost* pure whey except for what they call 'natural vanilla flavor'. There is no sugar in it, and a 23 gram scoop has less than .5 gram sugars (that is correct, less than one gram). I haven't taken a full scoop yet of the Biochem. It seems less dense than the IP, so I might need to increase the number of grams that I am taking. Hope this answers most of your question. If the rest of the list doesn't like this thread, feel free to backchannel me and I will tell you how the Biochem is working. However, since I got the Biochem whey idea from this list, I would assume that there is at least one other person trying it. If that is true, I would like to hear from him/her. Mike C. (Sorry this was so long) > Hi Mike C, > > That is interesting--it sounds like when I first was put on steroids! > ;-) ...although I wouldn't recommend steroids, unless a person > absolutely needs them. > > How much ImmunePro were you taking? How high was your functioning level > in the beginning? What did it drop down to? > > Are you currently taking ImmunePro? If not, why? Have you tried any > other whey products? If so, how did they compare? > > Sorry for all the questions. I appreciate talking to people who have > actual experience with this. > > Kind regards, > Trudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Please do tell us how it's working.! > > Hi Mike C, > > > > That is interesting--it sounds like when I first was put on > steroids! > > ;-) ...although I wouldn't recommend steroids, unless a person > > absolutely needs them. > > > > How much ImmunePro were you taking? How high was your functioning > level > > in the beginning? What did it drop down to? > > > > Are you currently taking ImmunePro? If not, why? Have you tried > any > > other whey products? If so, how did they compare? > > > > Sorry for all the questions. I appreciate talking to people who > have > > actual experience with this. > > > > Kind regards, > > Trudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Hi Mike C, Your post wasn't too long! I appreciate hearing your experience with IP. As Rich and others have pointed out on numerous occasions, I don't think that the glutathione depletion is the entire answer to our illness. However, I think that in the majority of us, it will probably be a necessary area that needs to be addressed for treatment. Dr. Conley in his book " America Exhausted " talks about the importance of the glutathione deficiency being corrected, as one of the first steps in addressing this illness. One thing that has concerned me is that there doesn't seem to be a way to build up our glutathione, so that our body can take over once our levels are up. It seems that when you go off the whey the improvement is lost and that we would have to be on whey for the rest of our lives. Please do keep us updated regarding your experience with your new whey Biochem Ultimate Lo Carb. Since a lot of us are in difficult financial situations, we need to find effective products that are affordable. I really appreciate hearing about these products and peoples' experiences with them. Kind regards, Trudy Message: 22 Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 22:30:02 -0000 From: " yakcamp22 " <yakcamp22@...> Subject: Re: ImmunePro Hi Trudy- it's been years so I can't remember all of the details. Initially the ImmunePro (IP) came w/ a 10 gram scoop. Then, people were saying that was too much so now it comes w/ a 5 gram scoop. I took less than 10 grams initially anyway because I wanted to see how I would react to it, and 5-6 grams were enough. Re functioning, this might explain it better than giving you percentage figures. Within two weeks of getting my first batch of IP, we went to Disneyworld (my kid was about 6 then). Based on my pre IP condition, I thought I would have to stay in the hotel most of the day while my wife and daughter went out. However, I was able to keep up with them for most of the day at the Magic Kingdom, Sea World, etc. So maybe it took my energy level from 50% to 85%. The good news is that as long as I took the IP, I stayed at 85%. But, in my case anyway, I wanted to get to 100% and the IP couldn't do that. Basically, I think after a year or two the IP did what it was going to do, and I didn't get better and better. I am not taking IP on a regular basis anymore, but I order it from NEEDS periodically. I just bot a different whey, Biochem Ultimate Lo Carb, which someone on this list recommended. It is *almost* pure whey except for what they call 'natural vanilla flavor'. There is no sugar in it, and a 23 gram scoop has less than .5 gram sugars (that is correct, less than one gram). I haven't taken a full scoop yet of the Biochem. It seems less dense than the IP, so I might need to increase the number of grams that I am taking. Hope this answers most of your question. If the rest of the list doesn't like this thread, feel free to backchannel me and I will tell you how the Biochem is working. However, since I got the Biochem whey idea from this list, I would assume that there is at least one other person trying it. If that is true, I would like to hear from him/her. Mike C. (Sorry this was so long) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Trudy and all-I just happened to get my NEEDS catalog recently and I looked up ImmunoPro (IP, I misspelled it before). It costs $42 for about the same amount as the Biochem whey which is $13 or so. I agree that whey isn't the answer to all of our problems, but if we can save 50% or more and get the same benefit, I think it is worth looking in to. I am expecting a post from the IP wholeseller telling us why IP is so much better than the Biochem product, but I think the proof will come from some of us using Biochem whey (they have several kinds and u need to get the right one), but I got a backchannel message from someone on this list who I think is using Biochem, so there are at least two of us experimenting with it. BTW, for several years there have been posts about cheaper whey, but the Biochem product *might* finally be a good alternative. I have felt pretty good the last couple of days since I started Biochem, but it is way too soon to tell if it is similar to IP. Mike C. > Hi Mike C, > > Please do keep us updated regarding your experience with your new whey > Biochem Ultimate Lo Carb. Since a lot of us are in difficult financial > situations, we need to find effective products that are affordable. I > really appreciate hearing about these products and peoples' experiences > with them. > > Kind regards, > Trudy > > Message: 22 > Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 22:30:02 -0000 > From: " yakcamp22 " <yakcamp22@s...> > Subject: Re: ImmunePro > > Hi Trudy- it's been years so I can't remember all of the details. > Initially the ImmunePro (IP) came w/ a 10 gram scoop. Then, people > were saying that was too much so now it comes w/ a 5 gram scoop. > I took less than 10 grams initially anyway because I wanted to see > how I would react to it, and 5-6 grams were enough. Re functioning, > this might explain it better than giving you percentage figures. > Within two weeks of getting my first batch of IP, we went to > Disneyworld (my kid was about 6 then). Based on my pre IP condition, > I thought I would have to stay in the hotel most of the day while my > wife and daughter went out. However, I was able to keep up with > them for most of the day at the Magic Kingdom, Sea World, etc. > So maybe it took my energy level from 50% to 85%. The good news is > that as long as I took the IP, I stayed at 85%. But, in my case > anyway, I wanted to get to 100% and the IP couldn't do that. > Basically, I think after a year or two the IP did what it was going > to do, and I didn't get better and better. I am not taking IP on > a regular basis anymore, but I order it from NEEDS periodically. > I just bot a different whey, Biochem Ultimate Lo Carb, which someone > on this list recommended. It is *almost* pure whey except for what > they call 'natural vanilla flavor'. There is no sugar in it, and > a 23 gram scoop has less than .5 gram sugars (that is correct, less > than one gram). I haven't taken a full scoop yet of the Biochem. > It seems less dense than the IP, so I might need to increase the > number of grams that I am taking. Hope this answers most of your > question. If the rest of the list doesn't like this thread, feel > free to backchannel me and I will tell you how the Biochem is > working. However, since I got the Biochem whey idea from this list, > I would assume that there is at least one other person trying it. > If that is true, I would like to hear from him/her. > > Mike C. (Sorry this was so long) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 hi i tried immunocal and imuneplus years ago, they are much weaker to me than immunopro rx ( more cost effective) ...i dont like useing multilievel marketing products( think immune plus is mlm)...the immunopro rx is being reaplaced by renew ? soemthig forgot name but seems to be alot cheaper, easier to mix from reading online.and has some sweetner in it. immunopro rx very potenant, i only tolearte a 1/4 tsp years ago but now tolearte one scoop twice daily and find a few suppliments like msn i could never use, i do tolearte large amounts of it now ( 1000 mg day but always in divideed doses at least four to five hours apart)... so i imagine my glutahione levels are better but still severely toxic patient ...i did though try another whey protein product and found the first time i took it i had tingling in my feet which to me is a good sign but it has stopped now ....so its worthwhile to try differnt things if u can get to try another prodcut ( i share with other cfids patients to save buying cost etc..) good luck and go slow with it too fast and the herx is nasty tealk > [Original Message] > From: Trudy Newman <tnew@...> > < > > Date: 5/6/2005 2:26:21 AM > Subject: Re: ImmunePro > > Hi Mike C, > > That is interesting--it sounds like when I first was put on steroids! > ;-) ...although I wouldn't recommend steroids, unless a person > absolutely needs them. > > How much ImmunePro were you taking? How high was your functioning level > in the beginning? What did it drop down to? > > Are you currently taking ImmunePro? If not, why? Have you tried any > other whey products? If so, how did they compare? > > Sorry for all the questions. I appreciate talking to people who have > actual experience with this. > > Kind regards, > Trudy > > Message: 18 > Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 00:38:34 -0000 > From: " yakcamp22 " <yakcamp22@...> > Subject: Re: ImmunePro > > Trudy- > > good question. Initially IP was like a miracle supplement. After > a period of a few months the miracle feeling went away, but I can't > say that I wasn't getting a good benenfit from it. I would > definitely recommend it to anyone who hasn't tried it. However, > we seem to all be different and some folks might not get the > good experience that I had with it. > > Mike C. > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Hi Duncan, What do you think of ImmuneProp whey. Thanks Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Tim, I think Immune Pro is good but much more expensive than can be justified for increased glutathione production; the rest of the undenatured wheys do that at a much lower cost because this is an increasingly competitive field. It's your dollar. Duncan > > Hi Duncan, What do you think of ImmuneProp whey. Thanks Tim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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