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In a message dated 4/22/00 4:04:56 PM Central Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< Hi Al,

I am so excited that ImmunoPro may wipe out these infections!!! YIPPEEE!! I

just was meaning that why does everyone get so upset over which infection

they have when the treatment would be the same

anyhow? And also is it really necessary to spend all the money on all the

tests when you will be taking the ImmunoPro anyhow?

>>

Well, someone has to take the tests to see if they are positive before and/or

after

the whey. Cheney is TRYING to prove that whey will kill all these bugs. But

as

Steve has so eloquently pointed out, Cheney's study is not scientifically

valid, due

to a host of reasons. However, if whey does kill myco, HHV6, chlamydia

(accord-

ing to Cheney's small study) I would wager that a lot more people start on

whey,

and ImmunePro specifically. But your point is well taken, Lori, if the

therapy is the

same, why spend big $?

Mike

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Carol - A pharm rep mentionned to me that he had heard that immunopro is not pharmaceutical grade, whereas immunocal is - Comments, ideas, anyone?? Deb

ImmunePro

Jodi, you wondered about the subset that feels worse on whey, particularly regarding the gut, and you also asked if anyone knew how ImmuneProA differs from Immunocal, or ImuPlus?

I don't have answers to your questions about the difficulty some are experiencing with the whey, and I won't see Cheney until the fall. Perhaps someone with an appointment that's sooner could ask.

I have a statement that came from Cheney's letter to the study participants about the difference in ingredients: "Compared to Immunocal, ImmunoPro has 6 times more Laktoferrin, 2.5 times more Albumin protein, 3 times more Immunoglobulin. It contains more Glycomacroproteins which inhibit viruses and harmful bacteria, more Alpha-Lactalbumin, Beta-Lactalbumin, Lyzozyme and Lactoperoxidase. Most importantly it contains many more of the small, un-named bioactive proteins from which may be derived the whey protein concentrates effects on glutathione."

Take care. Carol

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Hi Debbie,

You should ask Immunopro this question on their new web site, www.immunepro.com

they also changed the name to "Immunepro".

Al

Re: ImmunePro

Carol - A pharm rep mentionned to me that he had heard that immunopro is not pharmaceutical grade, whereas immunocal is - Comments, ideas, anyone?? Deb

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Lori,

Where did you purchase your case? I was going to purchase one from

NEEDS a few days ago, but when I called, they said they were no

longer selling the cases--that I would have to purchase them by the

each.

April

> I purchased another case of ImmunePro and have a few extra to sell.

They

> would be 37.00 including shipping. If you buy 2 or 3 you save money

> because of shipping is 3.20 for the first 2 pounds.

> lori

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Lori, I would like to buy 3 of the immunePro from you. You can contact

me back channel. Thank you,

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April,

I purchased the case from Needs. I guess they quit selling by the case. On

their latest flyer they sent me it was only listed by single jars.

Lori

tyree.pines@... wrote:

> Lori,

> Where did you purchase your case? I was going to purchase one from

> NEEDS a few days ago, but when I called, they said they were no

> longer selling the cases--that I would have to purchase them by the

> each.

> April

> -

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I am refrigerating, because Keenan told me to, especiallywith hot

weather coming.Katrina> Hey, just wondering if those of you with

immunepro refrigerate itor just keep it in a cool dry place. It doesn't say

refrigerate onthe bottle, but I didn't know if that would help it or hurt it.> >

Thanks,> Suzanne

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>>>>>hi all, i know many of u have mentioned this before, but i' m really

concerned because i dont know if IP is making me worse or i f i just have to

wait out this herxing, i had to cut back to just 1/4 tsp a day, it will take

forever to build up to 2 scoops, and is there difference in the whey in

immunocal and immuplus? this is so confusing and doctors dont really know

about this stuff. thanks alot for help, i dont know what to do!!!

Radha>>>>>>>

Don't worry about getting up to two scoops. I never made it past one scoop

per

day. How long have you been taking IP? If you can't handle 1/4 to 1/2 tsp.,

and have given it two weeks or so, you may be in a subset that IP doesn't

help. However, my feeling is that even 1/4 tsp per day can do you some good

if you can tolerate it.

Mike

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hi mike, i've taken first 1/2 tsp then cut back to 1/4 a day for past 5 weeks

now, and am no better, actually worse, so i dont know how much longer to

wait, am worried that i'm going down, and i dont want to do that!! parents r

worried about me, thanks for your reply,

Radha

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Hi Radha,

why not try taking less ImmunoPro (ip) i.e 1/8 tsp or even less. For the

first month I felt very ill taking ip. If you start taking less or just a

few grains of ip it will at least help you to get your bit of life back.

Take a break for a couple of days from the ip and find your own limits. I

found I had to break the 1/8 tsp barrier before I could, quite quickly, move

up to 2 tsp. It's going to take patience perseverence in setting your own

dosage and listening to your body.

Adam

> hi mike, i've taken first 1/2 tsp then cut back to 1/4 a day for past 5

weeks

> now, and am no better, actually worse, so i dont know how much longer to

> wait, am worried that i'm going down, and i dont want to do that!! parents

r

> worried about me, thanks for your reply,

> Radha

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,

I'm very, very happy to hear that Immunepro is doing you some good.

I

think this is evidence that glutathione depletion is an important

part

of your case, as we suspected. The headache and fluish symptoms may

be due to your immune system ramping up because of greater

glutathione

availability. I hope things continue to pick up for you.

Rich

> Just though I would drop in a note to say that I have

> improved on Immunepro. I had been taking MSM for 2

> months before starting and this may paved way since I

> found I was able to ramp up to a scoop twice daily

> within a week(!) I started with 1/4 teaspoon (1g)

> then, 1g BID, 2g BID, 4g BID, 6g BID etc. I was

> prepared to reduce the dosage but found this never to

> be necessary. Once at 6g BID I was aware of detoxing

> as I felt sleepy and urine smelt strong. Due to

> problems with supply I stopped for 4 days and

> regressed. Upon restarting urine smelt of bleach(!).

>

> Immunepro helps in these areas: improved energy and

> concentration, better productivity at voluntary work,

> warmer body temperature, better heat tolerance, better

> exercise tolerance, better sense of smell. I would

> also say better resistance to infections with the

> caveat that I have had a headache (not usual for me)

> and felt fluish since Monday. Have still exercised

> (15 minutes walking) today and yesterday without crashing.

>

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I have just started taking Immunopro.

This is my second day of taking 1/4 tsp in 8 oz of room temperature purified

water.

I have not noticed anything so far & will probably take this dose for

several more days before upping it to 1/2 tsp.

I am wondering if since I am already on Gamma Globulin & Cytomel & synthroid

whether it will be as effective for me.

I guess I shall find out.

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Cbuf1920@... wrote:

>

>

> I have been trying to find the right dose of Immunepro

> I have been experienceing severe nausea & a kind of tingling nerve

> sensation. Has anyone ever had this symptom with the Immunepro?

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

Yes I've been having herxemier(sp) reactions with Immunpro as well, even

at doses as low as .5 teaspoon. I have gone back to using Immunocal for

the past 3 weeks(with no adverse effect) and I will try Immunpro again

shortly.

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" You need to take 2 packets a day of Imuplus (or Immunocal) for 6 months or 4

packets a day for 30 days to get your functional glut. levels to normal,

then you can drop down to 2. This may be the reason you saw no improvement.

Steve B. "

How much Immunepro do you need to take?

I have gotten up to 3 scoops a day now & wonder if I need to go up to 4

scoops & for how long?

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I have not had any stomach problems with Immunepro. I thought I remembered

some people saying to take as high a dosage, up to 4 scoops per day as you

can handle.

I was wondering if dosage was affected by weight.

If you weigh more , you need to take more.

I have not noticed any dramatic change in my health.

But I am mostly limited right now by the Fibromyalgia brought on by

menopasal hormones.

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Cbuf1920 (unusual name),

I don't use Immunepro so I don't really know how much you need to take.

Previous info. given to me by Cheney. Immunepro gave me GI problems. Back

to normal on Imuplus. Lot of people have problems with Immunepro. I think

it's true that Dr. Cheney is not as pro-Immunepro as he initially was.

Steve B.

Re: Immunepro

>

> " You need to take 2 packets a day of Imuplus (or Immunocal) for 6 months

or 4

> packets a day for 30 days to get your functional glut. levels to normal,

> then you can drop down to 2. This may be the reason you saw no

improvement.

> Steve B. "

> How much Immunepro do you need to take?

> I have gotten up to 3 scoops a day now & wonder if I need to go up to 4

> scoops & for how long?

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

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> Cbuf1920 (unusual name),

>

> I don't use Immunepro so I don't really know how much you need to

take.

> Previous info. given to me by Cheney. Immunepro gave me GI

problems. Back

> to normal on Imuplus. Lot of people have problems with Immunepro.

I think

> it's true that Dr. Cheney is not as pro-Immunepro as he initially

was.

> Steve B.

>

> >

> > " You need to take 2 packets a day of Imuplus (or Immunocal) for 6

months

> or 4

> > packets a day for 30 days to get your functional glut. levels to

normal,

> > then you can drop down to 2. This may be the reason you saw no

> improvement.

> > Steve B. "

> > How much Immunepro do you need to take?

> > I have gotten up to 3 scoops a day now & wonder if I need to go

up to 4

> > scoops & for how long?

3 scoops if way too much/overkill. One half scoop twice a day will

suffice. Keep it up for 3 months. After 3 months on Ipro, I noticed

that I wasn't getting feverish AT ALL anymore, so I think it killed

some pathogen (HHV6, rick.,mycos, who knows?) Ipro is so much

stronger than Immunocal or Imuplus, that you don't need to take as

much and I am surprised that you haven't had stomach problems at

3 scoops per day.

Mike

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Mike

I'm taking 5 scoops a day without a problem.

Phil

kmcamp22@... wrote:

>

> > Cbuf1920 (unusual name),

> >

> > I don't use Immunepro so I don't really know how much you need to

> take.

> > Previous info. given to me by Cheney. Immunepro gave me GI

> problems. Back

> > to normal on Imuplus. Lot of people have problems with Immunepro.

> I think

> > it's true that Dr. Cheney is not as pro-Immunepro as he initially

> was.

> > Steve B.

> >

> > >

> > > " You need to take 2 packets a day of Imuplus (or Immunocal) for 6

> months

> > or 4

> > > packets a day for 30 days to get your functional glut. levels to

> normal,

> > > then you can drop down to 2. This may be the reason you saw no

> > improvement.

> > > Steve B. "

> > > How much Immunepro do you need to take?

> > > I have gotten up to 3 scoops a day now & wonder if I need to go

> up to 4

> > > scoops & for how long?

>

> 3 scoops if way too much/overkill. One half scoop twice a day will

> suffice. Keep it up for 3 months. After 3 months on Ipro, I noticed

> that I wasn't getting feverish AT ALL anymore, so I think it killed

> some pathogen (HHV6, rick.,mycos, who knows?) Ipro is so much

> stronger than Immunocal or Imuplus, that you don't need to take as

> much and I am surprised that you haven't had stomach problems at

> 3 scoops per day.

>

> Mike

>

> --

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In a message dated 5/14/01 8:18:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

MAYCROSS@... writes:

> Has anyone had any experience with Immunepro? I am considering taking it

> but I haven't heard anything about it lately. Does it help CFS? I cannot

> live like this anymore. Is it worth a shot? If you have had any

> experience with it please let me know.

>

ImmunePro is the cheapest and supposed to be the most potent. I tried 3

containers and it didn't help me at all but then again, nothing usually does.

-

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I have taken it and felt better..then I took immunplusRX , the stronger

stuff..it really screwed me up..and I believe I was also allergic to it

...just too strong with all the other stuff I do...good luck..I wish I had

just stayed with it...

Carol

Immunepro

> Has anyone had any experience with Immunepro? I am considering taking it

but I haven't heard anything about it lately. Does it help CFS? I cannot

live like this anymore. Is it worth a shot? If you have had any experience

with it please let me know.

>

> Thanks,

> Suzanne

>

>

>

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Hi Gail;

<<According to Dr. Cheney the ImmunePro is suppose to be more powerful and

thus more problematic. >>

Close... Immune pro has natural compounds in it like the globulins, which

are direct immune stimulants. Whatever the cow's immune system was sensitive

to, you can be too by taking the globulins. The die-off of pathogens can be

very fast depending on if the cow had immunities to what you are infected

with. Immune Pro can be more problematic because the bovine proteins are not

easily digested and can cause allergic reactions in some individuals.

Stimulating the immune system with globulins is not the same as being a

glutathione precursor like Immunocal. Immunocal is refined to increase the

body's antioxidant level, which in addition to defeating pathogens has

general health and immune system implications and also antiaging properties;

most diseases result from low glutathone levels, and aging is primarily a

product of free radical damage. High glutathione levels are very useful in

treating MS, Parkinson's ALS and all those incurables that other wheys can't

address.

ciao

Duncan

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athan,

Immunepro just went up on their price, but if you buy 3 or more, ask NEEDS for

their wholesale price. I paid 39.95 for my last 3 cans..

Beck

clemsonjk wrote:

> Hi Folks,

>

> Does anyone know if there are any retailers out there selling

> Immuneprorx for less than needs or immunesupport. Thanks

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

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From: <yakcamp22@...>

< >

Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 2:43 AM

Also, what is the consensus regarding long term use of ImmunePro

or I should ask about whey in general?. Initially, I was getting

noticeable benefits, i.e., increased energy and sense of well

being, etc. But now, I don't seem to miss it, even after weeks

without it. Then when I do take it, I don't feel any better/worse.

I'm sure the manufacturers would suggest to keep taking it, but I

was hoping to get some 'expert' comments from some list members.

Mike,

My experience has been exactly the same as yours -- big surge for a few

months in immune response to presumed opportunistic infections followed by

zilch, whether I take it or not. I don't say that it doesn't raise

glutathione levels, but the effect that folks notice is due IMO to the

immunoglobulins. The main drawback with it is the excitotoxins that can

further disrupt circadian rhythms.

Rob

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>The main drawback with it is the excitotoxins that can

further disrupt circadian rhythms.

Rob,

What excitotoxic agents are in ImmunePro?

- don

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Rob,

This is an interesting idea. I'm wondering if you know of evidence

that ImmunePro produces excitotoxin effects on circadian rhythms, or

if you are simply speculating about this on the basis that it is

composed of protein, which is made up of amino acids, a couple of

which can serve as excitotoxins under some circumstances. After

all, essentially all dietary protein contains glutamic acid.

Rich

>

> Mike,

>

> My experience has been exactly the same as yours -- big surge for

a few

> months in immune response to presumed opportunistic infections

followed by

> zilch, whether I take it or not. I don't say that it doesn't raise

> glutathione levels, but the effect that folks notice is due IMO to

the

> immunoglobulins. The main drawback with it is the excitotoxins

that can

> further disrupt circadian rhythms.

>

> Rob