QiGong

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I would say check your local library first. I saw a Qi Gong tape at

the library (Los Angeles) recently. Also you could check out the

companies online that rent videos by mail and try out different ones.

Buying new videos can get pricey. There are also many books on Qi Gong

with diagrams or photos that help.

> Can anyone recommend a video tape for a beginner? thanks! joyce

>

>

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free tapes & CD's

not sure how good they are but good to check out if you have no $$

_Order Tai Chi Qigong 18 Forms Video_ (http://www.taichi18.com/order.htm)

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>Can anyone recommend a video tape for a beginner? thanks! joyce

Hello,

I teach Qi Gong....well I use to have a half dozen classes going but

now I only fill in once and awhile. I have some ideas for you but

first, an endorsement: Everyone who has what we have should do Qi

Gong.....I had a plan to produce a Qi Gong tape, or do a monthly

series for our community but that project got shelved due to....well

you know what it was due to!

Qi Gong is best, and I mean best when done with a group and with a

descent instructor. There is a transfer of energy/knowledge that only

comes from personal contact. But if you don't have access to a group

then a tape is better than nothing.

The west has no idea what is going on in Qi Gong as a movement.

Basically there are so many systems, leaders, lineages, and methods

along with all the associative claims about this one and that one, it

gets insane. As a result, Qi Gong in the west is a tough sell because

there are no benchmarks so westerners can develop faith in one or the

other....that's why I thought my teaching had a chance for

success....the reason why you need faith in what ever system that is

being taught is because it takes a long time of repetitive practice

to get the real benefits from Qi Gong. It has to become a life habit.

Otherwise its one more diet....exercise machine.....kitchen

gadget......

The most organized Qi Gong method right now is something called Falun

Dafa. The full practice takes about 2 hours and its very powerful and

beneficial. The leader's writings turn off most westerners so don't

read them. I think all the exercise instructions are available on the

web for free. A good price for a good system.....my system, tailored

for the CFIDS/Lyme community is much better, if I do say so myself,

but at this time, not available to anyone other than my local

students.

Btw...everyone is a beginner at Qi Gong. You begin everyday anew.....

Matt

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I was taking a Tai Chi class last winter that began with Chi Gong,

Eight Pieces of Brocade. It ended up that I had a relapse after a

while, and I realized later it was because the Tai Chi and Chi Gong

were done standing and I have the CFIDS heart problem that makes that

very hard on me. Even though I sat down a lot in class, it was still

too much for me, so I have dropped out.

Is there any Chi Gong that can be done sitting or lying down?

Helen

> >Can anyone recommend a video tape for a beginner? thanks! joyce

>

> Hello,

>

> I teach Qi Gong....well I use to have a half dozen classes going

but

> now I only fill in once and awhile. I have some ideas for you but

> first, an endorsement: Everyone who has what we have should do Qi

> Gong.....I had a plan to produce a Qi Gong tape, or do a monthly

> series for our community but that project got shelved due

to....well

> you know what it was due to!

>

> Qi Gong is best, and I mean best when done with a group and with a

> descent instructor. There is a transfer of energy/knowledge that

only

> comes from personal contact. But if you don't have access to a

group

> then a tape is better than nothing.

>

> The west has no idea what is going on in Qi Gong as a movement.

> Basically there are so many systems, leaders, lineages, and methods

> along with all the associative claims about this one and that one,

it

> gets insane. As a result, Qi Gong in the west is a tough sell

because

> there are no benchmarks so westerners can develop faith in one or

the

> other....that's why I thought my teaching had a chance for

> success....the reason why you need faith in what ever system that

is

> being taught is because it takes a long time of repetitive practice

> to get the real benefits from Qi Gong. It has to become a life

habit.

> Otherwise its one more diet....exercise machine.....kitchen

> gadget......

>

> The most organized Qi Gong method right now is something called

Falun

> Dafa. The full practice takes about 2 hours and its very powerful

and

> beneficial. The leader's writings turn off most westerners so don't

> read them. I think all the exercise instructions are available on

the

> web for free. A good price for a good system.....my system,

tailored

> for the CFIDS/Lyme community is much better, if I do say so myself,

> but at this time, not available to anyone other than my local

> students.

>

> Btw...everyone is a beginner at Qi Gong. You begin everyday

anew.....

>

> Matt

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I've been doing qi gong for a few years. It helps.

There are lots of different systems. Some can be adapted for

sitting. I had an instructor come to my house as I was far too ill

to attempt a class and I started off practicing 1 min a day.

Although I do it standing - as I slowly increased the time, I used

to sit down between the different exercises. Now I can do qi gong

standing no problem - helps orthostatic intolerance at the time I am

practicing it - but I couldn't do yoga standing. Although qi gong

helps I do need to do it daily - doing it once a week wouldn't do

much as the effects are cumulative. If I stop for a few days the

effects disappear.

There is a book in UK with some qi gong exercises that can be done

lying down. There are also things that can be done sitting using the

arms of the armchairs to help prop the arms. Book is called " The

Way of Healing. Chi Kung for Energy and Health. " By a Chinese doc

called Master Lam Kam Chen. Publisher Giai Books Ltd. ISBN 1-856750-

79-5.

Cheers,

Carol

> > >Can anyone recommend a video tape for a beginner? thanks! joyce

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I teach Qi Gong....well I use to have a half dozen classes going

> but

> > now I only fill in once and awhile. I have some ideas for you

but

> > first, an endorsement: Everyone who has what we have should do

Qi

> > Gong.....I had a plan to produce a Qi Gong tape, or do a monthly

> > series for our community but that project got shelved due

> to....well

> > you know what it was due to!

> >

> > Qi Gong is best, and I mean best when done with a group and with

a

> > descent instructor. There is a transfer of energy/knowledge that

> only

> > comes from personal contact. But if you don't have access to a

> group

> > then a tape is better than nothing.

> >

> > The west has no idea what is going on in Qi Gong as a movement.

> > Basically there are so many systems, leaders, lineages, and

methods

> > along with all the associative claims about this one and that

one,

> it

> > gets insane. As a result, Qi Gong in the west is a tough sell

> because

> > there are no benchmarks so westerners can develop faith in one

or

> the

> > other....that's why I thought my teaching had a chance for

> > success....the reason why you need faith in what ever system

that

> is

> > being taught is because it takes a long time of repetitive

practice

> > to get the real benefits from Qi Gong. It has to become a life

> habit.

> > Otherwise its one more diet....exercise machine.....kitchen

> > gadget......

> >

> > The most organized Qi Gong method right now is something called

> Falun

> > Dafa. The full practice takes about 2 hours and its very

powerful

> and

> > beneficial. The leader's writings turn off most westerners so

don't

> > read them. I think all the exercise instructions are available

on

> the

> > web for free. A good price for a good system.....my system,

> tailored

> > for the CFIDS/Lyme community is much better, if I do say so

myself,

> > but at this time, not available to anyone other than my local

> > students.

> >

> > Btw...everyone is a beginner at Qi Gong. You begin everyday

> anew.....

> >

> > Matt

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I tried Chi Gong about 21 years ago with a private instructor,

for 30 minute sessions. All it did was wear me out. The instructor

would say " don't you feel energized? " - and the answer was NO.

Before I became really sick I did a lot of yoga. If I could

drag myself to class I would leave feeling great. Once I became

really sick I couldn't do yoga anymore - I'd leave class totally

exhausted - and most of it was done lying down!

I think things like yoga, Chi Gong, Tie Chi work by balancing

energy - but I think they are too vigorous - at least for me.

A slooow walk is what works best for me.

Michele G

> free tapes & CD's

> not sure how good they are but good to check out if you have no $$

>

> _Order Tai Chi Qigong 18 Forms Video_

(http://www.taichi18.com/order.htm)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/2/2006 9:09:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,

al_barclayuk@... writes:

Hi ,

I tried Qi gong when I was trying to find a " gentle exercise " that I could

tolerate. It resulted in exactly the same exercise intolerance that I

experienced with other exercise attempts. What a disaster.

Hope that it helps you.

Kindest regards,

Annette

tell that to the editor of Lancet who just published an article this week on

Graded exercise in CFS

Joy

assistant to Dr Enlander

www.enlander.com

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I tried Qi gong when I was trying to find a " gentle exercise " that I could

tolerate. It resulted in exactly the same exercise intolerance that I

experienced with other exercise attempts. What a disaster.

Hope that it helps you.

Kindest regards,

Annette

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[Guest guest]

,

Just a word of caution. Make sure that you have a really good

QiGong teacher. A lot of healthy people became devastatingly ill

even in China because they didn't know the right way to guide Qi.

There are also a lot of people whose illnesses were helped by QiGong

by finding the right way.

There is a junk QiGong market out there in the U.S. exacerbated by

language barrier - you may get lucky but risk is very high. My

accupuncture/herbal doctor who practiced QiGong himself told me not

to given my vulnerable physical condition. Similar things in many

CFS literature, Gingseng is said to help immunue system. In

reality, Gingseng would have killed me according to the best Chinese

herbal doctors in China and U.S.

That's why I haven't attempted QiGong myself...And I used to teach

Taichi, which has some basic QiGong elements, when I was in China.

Tina

>

> Wow! I have just started this a week ago and am already feeling

pretty

> good. I found this on the Internet, a testimonial of a woman who

suffered

> with CFS for years and was finally cured by Qigong. I know there

are a

> lot of skeptics out there but all I can say is... " you really

won't know for

> sure until you have tried it. " I have personally had three colds

in the last

> month - wow!

>

> http://www.springforestqigong.com/index.php?

option=com_testimonials &

> task=view & id=15 & pop=1

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this. Chinese have long ago found the ways to control and

support the body by the mind.

As another list member said I also read that it was important to practice

qigong in correct way.How did you learn qigong? Took lesson or reading ?

thanks

nil

Qigong

> Wow! I have just started this a week ago and am already feeling pretty

> good. I found this on the Internet, a testimonial of a woman who suffered

> with CFS for years and was finally cured by Qigong. I know there are a

> lot of skeptics out there but all I can say is... " you really won't know

> for

> sure until you have tried it. " I have personally had three colds in the

> last

> month - wow!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am seeing a Medical Qigong healer. He is a nice old Japanese man who

became sick 15 years ago and he went to the Shanghai Qigong Research

Institute and it was the only place that could heal him. He is the only

Japanese person to become certified as a Qigong healer there and the

institute itself is the only Qigong institute to be recognized by the Chinese

government. He died three times by heart attacks and came back each

time.

He said that it would take 3 months to heal me.

At this point, I would say that I am cured of my CFS (mainly through

moving away from the electrosmog and chelating the metals out of the

body) and I am now just electrosensitive. He said that half his patients are

ill because of the electrosmog (cell phones, microwave ovens, computer

equipment) though most of them don't recognize this.

Basically, he just places his hands on different parts of my body and I feel

a warmth eminating from his hands. He seems to be able to draw the

excess electricity from my body and says that he feels a tingling in his

hands when this happens.

I just started taking lessons and my first lesson was learning how to

breath. He teaches quiet Qigong, which is about bringing " good " Qi into

the body and balancing the 12 meridians. Moving Qigong is more about

the martial arts like Kong Fu or Tai Chi.

Hope that helps.

Regards,

paul

>

>

>

> Thanks for posting this. Chinese have long ago found the ways to control

and

> support the body by the mind.

> As another list member said I also read that it was important to practice

> qigong in correct way.How did you learn qigong? Took lesson or

reading ?

>

> thanks

> nil

> Qigong

>

>

> > Wow! I have just started this a week ago and am already feeling pretty

> > good. I found this on the Internet, a testimonial of a woman who

suffered

> > with CFS for years and was finally cured by Qigong. I know there are

a

> > lot of skeptics out there but all I can say is... " you really won't know

> > for

> > sure until you have tried it. " I have personally had three colds in the

> > last

> > month - wow!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Re: Qigong

> Me too (the name of your healer) and whereabouts.

>

>

>>

>> would love the name of your Qigong healer if you would not mind..

> where is he?

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Doyon

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> I am seeing a Medical Qigong healer. He is a nice old Japanese man

> who

>> became sick 15 years ago and he went to the Shanghai Qigong Research

>> Institute and it was the only place that could heal him. He is the

> only

>> Japanese person to become certified as a Qigong healer there and the

>> institute itself is the only Qigong institute to be recognized by

> the Chinese

>> government. He died three times by heart attacks and came back each

>> time.

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I do qigong too. I was far too ill to attend a class and someone

came round to my house and instructed me. I had to start on 1

minute a day. When starting qigong or learning new moves it can be

like normal exercise as you are likely to do things incorrectly in

which case you will not be stimulating the correct accupuncture

channels and you won't get energy from it - you can then get

exercise induced malaaise etc if you do too much. If I had tried to

attend a 1 hour class I would have crashed. It was essential to

practice every day within my own limits - then the energy built up

and I could do more. Provided I built up slowly and was doing the

exercises correctly I didn't get the exercise induced

malaise/exhaustion that I always get with ME/CFS following exertion,

I used to feel much more energised instead after doing the qigong.

But it took several weeks of doing it to get lots of energy from

doing it - it takes a while for the energy to build up in the

accupuncture channels. I get bad orthostatic intolerance, but the

funny thing is that I can do qigong standing and the orthostatic

intolerance is reduced a lot while doing it.

Qigong can also be adapted to be done sitting or lying down. E.g.

Lying on back and hands on abdomen as though they are holding a

ball. Plus there are qigong meditations too.

There is a book which gives some effortless qigong exercises that

can be done lying down or sitting in a chair e.g. with arms

supported on the chair arms. " The Way of Healing. Chi Kung for

Energy and Health. " By a Chinese doc called Master Lam Kam Chen.

Publisher Giai Books Ltd. ISBN 1-856750-

79-5.

Carol

>

>

>

> Thanks for posting this. Chinese have long ago found the ways to

control and

> support the body by the mind.

> As another list member said I also read that it was important to

practice

> qigong in correct way.How did you learn qigong? Took lesson or

reading ?

>

> thanks

> nil

> Qigong

>

>

> > Wow! I have just started this a week ago and am already feeling

pretty

> > good. I found this on the Internet, a testimonial of a woman who

suffered

> > with CFS for years and was finally cured by Qigong. I know there

are a

> > lot of skeptics out there but all I can say is... " you really

won't know

> > for

> > sure until you have tried it. " I have personally had three colds

in the

> > last

> > month - wow!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I hope this helps us all!!!

Discover qigong through:

1) an introduction to the history and scope of this ancient Chinese

field of mind/body/spirit practices

2) detailed instruction in performing the Five Treasures qigong set

of practices

3) practicing along with a group performing the Five Treasures set -

with instruction and background music.

VIDEO: Discovering QiGong

http://video. google.com/ videoplay? docid=1572962536 605659291 & q=qigong

[Guest guest]

Assalaamu Alaikum

This is a good link in'shaAllah

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1572962536605659291 & q=qigong

nieema <nieema0@...> wrote: I hope this

helps us all!!!

Discover qigong through:

1) an introduction to the history and scope of this ancient Chinese

field of mind/body/spirit practices

2) detailed instruction in performing the Five Treasures qigong set

of practices

3) practicing along with a group performing the Five Treasures set -

with instruction and background music.

VIDEO: Discovering QiGong

http://video. google.com/ videoplay? docid=1572962536 605659291 & q=qigong

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