Re: Bee's group- MY experience with Bee

[Guest guest]

First of all Bee, YOU ARE A LIAR!!! I paid exactly what we agreed upon when

you told me over and over not to worry about it. I told you UPFRONT that I

was waiting on a doctor who would perform my surgery to get rid of the

offending mesh that my body had rejected and you said you wanted to help. I

told

you I would pay you when I got the money and you said not to worry.

THEN as I am recovering from surgery, you send me a THREATENING email

attempting to blackmail me into paying you more than we even agreed upon. You

told

me that if I did not send you the $57.50 immediately, you would expose me to

both groups. I then invited you to " expose me " as you first lied about the

amount, and then lied about when you needed your money.

I might add to the kind people on this site that during the phone

conversation with you, I explained that part of my problem was stachybotrys

black mold

exposure over a ten year period and you DENIED that mold causes problems but

said it was candida related and that if I followed your diet, I would get

well and nothing else would matter. WHAT TOTAL BULL!!! You are hurting people

who are exposed to black mold as you know NOTHING about it obviously. It is

not even the same thing as candida my friend and has to be dealt with in

different ways such as detoxing with sauna among other things. I also

explained

about the rejection of the mesh and you tried to blame that on candida as

well. You are and IDIOT.

You can sit here and say all you want but I think the majority of good

people on here have seen RIGHT THROUGH your crap and see you for what you are.

I am a very reasonable and loving man, and I certainly tried to do the right

thing with you, but your nastiness and dark side shone through.

I DID send you the $35.00 we agreed upon and consider the matter closed. I

would warn any of you who want these private consultations with Bee that (1)

she does not know what she is talking about, even with candida, and (2) if

your problem is not candida, she will use her last breath to convince you that

it is.

Duncan's approach makes SO much more sense to me as he addresses so many

different facets of this issue, along with taking Whey which increases

glutathione and helps the body detox.

Cheers,

Bill

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[Guest guest]

,

Keeping my mouth shut isn't an option either. I took up for and I

will do so again. You attempted to put words in Chris' mouth and I don't

think that is appropriate. Unfortunately sweetheart, you don't have all the

answers.

I am not now nor have I ever claimed to be a victim.

I speak the truth, apparently something you and others don't want to

hear. I had every right to speak of my experience with Bee and I certainly

don't need your permission to do so.

I saw a nasty side of her that most apparently cannot see. I assure you

I could give a crap about what you think my friend.

Best in Health to Everyone,

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Hi ,

Thank you.

Luv & Hugs, Bee

>

> Hi,

>

> I am " the " of Chris's post. And although I am on

board with the notion that there is something not right with Bee, you

will all realize in short time that there is also something up with

Chris.

>

> Nothing I read on Bee's list about your 'heart attack' was out of

line. Except probably my rude comment about you needing a

psychiatrist for which I immediately apologized.

>

> You were initially scared and upset. Quite understandable, with

your symptom picture. Your vanishing act reads to me that you backed

yourself into a corner and when you felt better, you felt silly and

had to disappear, hoping it would all die down. You were and are the

one out of line here. You manipulated people who were with you and

willing to support you and were genuinely worried about you. And

then you pop back up, 2 WEEKS after the fact, all cheery and

flippant, like no big deal. That's why Bee was annoyed with you and I

totally get where that was coming from and my post reflected that.

Her post was brief and there was no name calling.

>

> We all feel sick and are having scary symptoms. But a few

weeks/days on a diet are not going to be the cause of anyone's heart

attack or cancer as your blog states.

>

> Your inability to shrug it off, get over it, move on might,

however, have something to do with your symptomology.

> Your vengefulness and desire to " get everyone on your side " could

be part of it. Your anger is a little over the top.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Once again YOU ARE A LIAR. I spoke to you in October and sent the money in

December. If you are going to speak, speak the truth. Apparently, you don't

know how to do so.

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" Your vanishing act reads to me that you backed yourself into a

corner and when you felt better, you felt silly and had to disappear,

hoping it would all die down "

WTF???!! The candida is obviously gone to your head and in overdrive ,

! You like make your own scenarios like that when it's convenient

for you?! I mean WTF??

FYI, I was offline because I chose to be. During the time that I was

offline I NEVER LOGGED IN TO THE GROUP OR MY EMAIL, so I never read

any posts, neither the good (support emails), the bad ('s and

Debby's posts) or the ugly (YOU!!) Not because I was scared! After the

aftermath of heart attack symptoms, scared of what exactly?!! Of some

pompous wad like you or Petrolinko. LMFAO! You may get scared of

black type upon a white screen but um...breaking news sweetheart: not

me!!

I did log in at some point and read a message by Cary and DID RESPOND

TO THAT! So people knew I wasn't dead, if that's your concern. (No,

you concerned? Really! Or are you more concerned that I was the center

of attention and not you!??) ;-) I do have a feeling that that is

what has been bothering you, hence you made yourself heard with that

nasty post, and this soap-opera drama/fantasy post of years. Perhaps

you should try writing romance novels as an outlet to your personal

frustrations? I'm just sayin'...

And btw, you never apologized to me, but to the group. Some apology

that was! Because YOU were AFRAID that queen bee would ban you as

well. (One of these days she'll be left alone playing in her own

delusional playground. No wonder she lives alone!)

" You were and are the one out of line here. You manipulated people

who were with you and willing to support you and were genuinely

worried about you "

Exactly how did I manipulate people..? I'd sure like to know that! Oh,

you mean people like you who project their unresolved emotional

problems unto others? Am I supposed to read your mind and babysit

you?! FYI, I had all the symptoms of a heart attack, I posted, and did

come back as I posted that reply to Cary. As far as I'm concerned I

don't owe you anything. I took care of myself. Without guilt. You see

I don't owe you any explanations as to when I do or do not log in. So

if very much like be you try to control others, may I suggest the

immediate practice of detachment? Newsflash: you're powerless over me!

;-) And as I've stated, due to the venom you and Petrolinko and Debby

spilled at the group, it was clearly My Higher Power protecting me

from all your venom. Sucks for you that your vile negativity didn't

reach me then, doesn't it!?

" And then you pop back up, 2 WEEKS after the fact, all cheery and

flippant, like no big deal. "

Sweetheart get with the program already! " Cheery and flippant " (as you

put it) is my signature trademark in my every post! I am very happy!

You should try it sometime! ;-) What can I say? I see the lighter side

of things even when the going gets tough. But I guess that's probably

a foreign concept to people like you who enjoy stirring the pot and

creating drama where there isn't any. Ever heard the term " crazy

making " , sweetheart? Then take a look in the mirror. (I feel sorry for

your husband!)

You're never too old to change your ways. But your obvious jealousy is

really funny! Obviously it also does suck to be you! Must be you are

bothered by all the people that have posted saying they loved my sense

of humor. What's the matter your husband not paying attention to you

lately? Geez, with such a cheery disposition, I wonder why he would

reject you! (Hey, how do you like other people making scenarios on

your behalf?!) ;-)

" Your inability to shrug it off, get over it, move on might, however,

have something to do with your symptomology. "

Darling I " got over it " right after " it " was over! I let things go.

Obviously you do not. But hey if you're going to get into crazy-making

with me, I know to set you straight. Like I did Bee. All the venom

you've directed at me, did you see those three fingers pointing right

back at you?? Who's in need of a shrink, really? For you I recommend

HRT, but only because you're so nasty. Hopefully when your hotflashes

pass you'll be able to think straight and not confuse your soap operas

with my life.

Hope you learned something!

Chris

>

> Hi,

>

> I am " the " of Chris's post. And although I am on

board with the notion that there is something not right with Bee, you

will all realize in short time that there is also something up with Chris.

>

> Nothing I read on Bee's list about your 'heart attack' was out of

line. Except probably my rude comment about you needing a

psychiatrist for which I immediately apologized.

>

> You were initially scared and upset. Quite understandable, with

your symptom picture. Your vanishing act reads to me that you backed

yourself into a corner and when you felt better, you felt silly and

had to disappear, hoping it would all die down. You were and are the

one out of line here. You manipulated people who were with you and

willing to support you and were genuinely worried about you. And then

you pop back up, 2 WEEKS after the fact, all cheery and flippant,

like no big deal. That's why Bee was annoyed with you and I totally

get where that was coming from and my post reflected that. Her post

was brief and there was no name calling.

>

> We all feel sick and are having scary symptoms. But a few

weeks/days on a diet are not going to be the cause of anyone's heart

attack or cancer as your blog states.

>

> Your inability to shrug it off, get over it, move on might, however,

have something to do with your symptomology.

> Your vengefulness and desire to " get everyone on your side " could be

part of it. Your anger is a little over the top.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

you sent this to the wrong person bee. You must have

meant to send it to jennifer and not me

sue

--- Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

> Thank you.

>

> Luv & Hugs, Bee

>

>

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am " the " of Chris's post. And

> although I am on

> board with the notion that there is something not

> right with Bee, you

> will all realize in short time that there is also

> something up with

> Chris.

> >

> > Nothing I read on Bee's list about your 'heart

> attack' was out of

> line. Except probably my rude comment about you

> needing a

> psychiatrist for which I immediately apologized.

> >

> > You were initially scared and upset. Quite

> understandable, with

> your symptom picture. Your vanishing act reads to

> me that you backed

> yourself into a corner and when you felt better,

> you felt silly and

> had to disappear, hoping it would all die down. You

> were and are the

> one out of line here. You manipulated people who

> were with you and

> willing to support you and were genuinely worried

> about you. And

> then you pop back up, 2 WEEKS after the fact, all

> cheery and

> flippant, like no big deal. That's why Bee was

> annoyed with you and I

> totally get where that was coming from and my post

> reflected that.

> Her post was brief and there was no name calling.

> >

> > We all feel sick and are having scary symptoms.

> But a few

> weeks/days on a diet are not going to be the cause

> of anyone's heart

> attack or cancer as your blog states.

> >

> > Your inability to shrug it off, get over it, move

> on might,

> however, have something to do with your

> symptomology.

> > Your vengefulness and desire to " get everyone on

> your side " could

> be part of it. Your anger is a little over the top.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bill,

Thank You!

Luv and Hugs,

Chris.

>

> ,

>

> I don't really think you are in a position to " put words in Chris'

> mouth " , but being the cronie worshiper you are on Bee's site,

nothing you have

> said or done really surprises me.

>

> Until you have felt how it feels to walk in her shoes, why

don't you try

> keeping your mouth shut and allowing her the courtesy to say how

she feels

> and why. Your babbling on about WHAT YOU THINK happened wreaks of the

> arrogance on Bee's website.

>

> ANY of us who spoke our mind over there were chastized and

criticized

> for even questioning. And as far Bee's personal reactions, I found

out all too

> well about her and her not so above-board qualities.

>

> Those of us with COMMON SENSE have moved on. Please leave us

alone.

>

> Bill

> Dallas, Texas

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[Guest guest]

I dont know about anyone else but i came to this group

for the peace of speaking what i felt and to learn and

heal. Its good to know that we can do that whole

heartedly here.

Just the fact that we can come here, vent on whatever

happened there, and move on is awesome.

But remember the reason we came here is to heal and

part of healing is letting go of what annoys you.

and , just let it go.

you are now in a forum where you can agree to

disagree and the though process is very different over

here. Its much more soothing and peaceful here.

Take care.

sue

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>

> ,

>

>I don't really think you are in a position to " put words in Chris'

> mouth " , but being the cronie worshiper you are on Bee's site,

nothing you have said or done really surprises me.

>

> Until you have felt how it feels to walk in her shoes, why don't

you try keeping your mouth shut and allowing her the courtesy to say

how she feels and why. Your babbling on about WHAT YOU THINK

happened wreaks of the arrogance on Bee's website.

>

>ANY of us who spoke our mind over there were chastized and

criticized for even questioning. And as far Bee's personal

reactions, I found out all too well about her and her not so above-

board qualities.

>

> Those of us with COMMON SENSE have moved on. Please leave us

alone.

>

> Bill

> Dallas, Texas

==>Hi Bill/Bobcat of the Baseball Hall of Fame. Are you doing this

because you paid the medicos $40,000 and they ruined your health, yet

you paid $35 of the $57.50 for my phone call to you?

Bee

[Guest guest]

Dear Bee,

I cannot speak for Bill but it doesn't take a brain scientist to know

that your bitchy attitude every time someone posts anything that might

shake the wobbly foundation of your beliefs is enough to turn your

biggest supporter against you.

Here below is Bee's email in response to my post acknowledging a

member's question about the differences between Bee's diet and Atkins.

Dear

I notice that sometimes you jump in to answers questions when you do

not really know, i.e. Atkins diet, and also when you try to answer for

me. I would ask that you please not do that. It doesn't help me or

other group members, even when you qualify your answers with IMO.

Thanks so very much.

Bee

This because I posted that the Atkins diet was High Protein and this

is Low fat IMHO! You know. A group. As in giving your opinion and

letting members know that someone is hearing them? Until Bee gets

around to replying. Relive the burden a bit and show that someone is

listening.

But no, the Big Control Freak had to chastise me, the poster. FYI,

I've gotten lots of emails from members that are chastised by Bee for

the slightest thing, even for asking questions! ( " Use the search

feature " !) WTF? This is an interactive group! Why don't you just be

done with the group and stick with the website: that way no more

questions!

This is just one email of many more to come.

Luv & Hugs,

Ruehl.

________________________________________

> >

> > ,

> >

> >I don't really think you are in a position to " put words in Chris'

> > mouth " , but being the cronie worshiper you are on Bee's site,

> nothing you have said or done really surprises me.

> >

> > Until you have felt how it feels to walk in her shoes, why don't

> you try keeping your mouth shut and allowing her the courtesy to say

> how she feels and why. Your babbling on about WHAT YOU THINK

> happened wreaks of the arrogance on Bee's website.

> >

> >ANY of us who spoke our mind over there were chastized and

> criticized for even questioning. And as far Bee's personal

> reactions, I found out all too well about her and her not so above-

> board qualities.

> >

> > Those of us with COMMON SENSE have moved on. Please leave us

> alone.

> >

> > Bill

> > Dallas, Texas

>

> ==>Hi Bill/Bobcat of the Baseball Hall of Fame. Are you doing this

> because you paid the medicos $40,000 and they ruined your health, yet

> you paid $35 of the $57.50 for my phone call to you?

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Bob, you've clearly " moved on " . You jumped at the opportunity to bad mouth

her and tell " your " story as soon as you had an opportunity. And the nastiness

of your response to me illustrates how at peace your are.

I am not one of the chroney worshippers as you call it. I hardly post to this

or her list. I sometimes resent the feeling I get that I'm not allowed to speak

my mind over there if it appears to criticize her methods but I *fully* respect

the time and work she puts into her list and I appreciate and learn from her

knowledge. I totally believe that she has a kind heart and a desire to help

people regardless of some of the list rules. No disrespect here!!!

I respect people's need and right to speak their minds and their feelings. I'm

a caring person and I am one of the people who worried whether was alright

for 2 weeks.

Victim types love to move around seeing who'll listen to their sad stories and

when someone calls them on their behaviour, they can't wait to bad mouth others

with half the story. Their half. It is hardly a true picture as you and Chris

have demonstrated.

As my name was brought into this by in a disparaging way, I feel fully

entitled to speak up. So keeping my mouth shut isn't an option. Thanks anyway

for your helpful suggestions. :~)

[Guest guest]

" Bee " wrote:

Are you doing this because you paid the medicos $40,000 and they

ruined your health, yet you paid $35 of the $57.50 for my phone call

to you?

-------

WOW! It's your neck, Bee; in Canada, anyway, I think revealing another

person's financial matter can get you thrown in jail! I'd prevail on

Bobcat's sweet nature if I were you at this point.

By comparison, for $45 people get an hour of my focused attention, and

unlike Bee, I can provide references to substantiate my opinions

(maybe I should raise my rate and put up a donation button on my

website too... hmmm....)

Duncan

[Guest guest]

,

You have a few very good points here. We all can

learn from eachother. Thanks for bringing this to us

from a different view.

sue

> Yes, Bob, you've clearly " moved on " . You jumped at

> the opportunity to bad mouth her and tell " your "

> story as soon as you had an opportunity. And the

> nastiness of your response to me illustrates how at

> peace your are.

>

> I am not one of the chroney worshippers as you call

> it. I hardly post to this or her list. I sometimes

> resent the feeling I get that I'm not allowed to

> speak my mind over there if it appears to criticize

> her methods but I *fully* respect the time and work

> she puts into her list and I appreciate and learn

> from her knowledge. I totally believe that she has

> a kind heart and a desire to help people regardless

> of some of the list rules. No disrespect here!!!

>

> I respect people's need and right to speak their

> minds and their feelings. I'm a caring person and I

> am one of the people who worried whether was

> alright for 2 weeks.

>

> Victim types love to move around seeing who'll

> listen to their sad stories and when someone calls

> them on their behaviour, they can't wait to bad

> mouth others with half the story. Their half. It

> is hardly a true picture as you and have

> demonstrated.

>

> As my name was brought into this by in a

> disparaging way, I feel fully entitled to speak up.

> So keeping my mouth shut isn't an option. Thanks

> anyway for your helpful suggestions. :~)

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It was only after " I was forced to threaten you " that you sent the

money; from September to February is a very long time.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi , I, like yourself was on Bee's group for a long time,

though didn't always post etc.

I had seen aspects of this behaviour a few times, but I pretty much

said nothing and just read the posts, at times shaking my head and

getting the urge to plant a virtual boot up a few people's virtual

rear ends. But just as you stated, Bee does seem indeed to have a

heart and an intensity about her that is admirable, and her hard work

and continual efforts to answer posts and help people. She has

helped me also and if it weren't for the diet, I'd be in a much

bigger mess.

This is what makes it so difficult as the other side to this seems a

total contradiction. I have had to shut my mouth a few times on that

group, (luckily not often) but finally this recent episode was the

limit. I got tired of the condescending responses got

regarding her episode and it is not up to them or us to say she's

lying or exaggerating. The group is there to provide support. I for

one took seriously and still do. The excuse of " tough love " is

just totally insulting to any adult's intelligence.

is someone I have witnessed on that group as being jolly and if

anything, she's encouraged others to get on Bee's group and diet.

She was very positive about the diet and doing well (at first). You

were wrong, she has been on the diet longer than a few days/weeks.

She's been on it long enough that to have an attack like this, would

have her concerned (rightly so). As this has never happened before

to her. Now regardless of whether you say it's probably not diet,

what else is a person supposed to look at when they're not taking

drugs, smoking, drinking or leading an overly stressed life? Diet is

the first thing you look at if you get such an attack. In fact,

you'd be a half wit not to, as diet is one of the first and major

things to cause heart problems or any other health issues.

was not sure what she had experienced, first time for her and

she obviously posted her experience not knowing what to do or whether

she should re-evaluate things, at least temporarily until she knew

what was doing what. What she received in return was a belittling

guru type responses from the likes of Debby and who responded

in a manner that was totally unnecessary and insulting, showing

nothing more than a rather pathetic ego. To add insult to injury,

anybody who dared to stick up for was also given the talking

down to response and was allowed to do so (Bee simply let it go).

Debby couldn't wait to explain to those who stuck up for and

told her off that they really just didn't understand what she was

really saying and were taking her up the wrong way (basically self

justfiying tactics).

did not return for two weeks, she took time out and rode this

episode out (as so often we all do). I've heard people go through

hell and not go to emergency, even though they probaby should. Bee

often warned us about the medical profession, yet contradicted

herself on that because it suited her to do so in regards to Chris.

Just because chris came back jolly and joking (as is her natural

personality), she was slammed for that as well. Seems she can't do

a thing right. If she psots on the group, she gets told she can't

be sick, yet if she's off the group for 2 weeks, she gets criticised

for that. Then she gets slammed for coming back and joking around a

bit. Perhaps could have been more careful in her " come back

response " given the previous tone, but that does NOT excuse the

responses she got and it was unprofessional. I also noted that

others were free to post so long as it was condescending towards

but were told off when they stuck up for her. Debby was very

encouraging to your very rude post on which you kindly

apologised for. Noticed that Debby was nothing but encouraging

towards it? Doesn't say much for a moderator does it?

So let's keep this in perspective. is what she is and I've

found her nothing but kind and jolly (when she can be inbetween being

ill at the sametime). If has been negative, so have all of us

and the forums are an outlet at times. Having an episode like that,

does not stop someone coming back and being jolly, as she had gotten

through it thankfully. Even if it was a little inappropriate timing,

that doesn't excuse the response she got. And for you to now refer

to people like her and Bill or whoever else as " victim types " is just

adding insult to injury and you are talking about unwell people

trying to find answers. I don't see either of them flitting around

the internet playing " feel sorry for me " games and I belong to many

forums.

I've never encountered this in either of them and in fact, found

bill's plight and his manner amazing considering what he's endured

and had to pay out, all in the desperate attempt of improving his

health. He's passed that on in hopes of helping others. No wonder

he erupted finally on here and so did (finally after being

belittled). Good on them, Bee deserved a flea in her ear and had it

coming, good heart or not, she's got a waspish side to her nature

(excuse the pun) and if people remain quiet and allow her to have the

last word and play control games along with her groupies, then more

fool us.

.

>

>

Yes, Bob, you've clearly " moved on " . You jumped at the opportunity

to bad mouth her and tell " your " story as soon as you had an

opportunity. And the nastiness of your response to me illustrates

how at peace your are.

>

> I am not one of the chroney worshippers as you call it. I hardly

post to this or her list. I sometimes resent the feeling I get that

I'm not allowed to speak my mind over there if it appears to

criticize her methods but I *fully* respect the time and work she

puts into her list and I appreciate and learn from her knowledge. I

totally believe that she has a kind heart and a desire to help people

regardless of some of the list rules. No disrespect here!!!

>

> I respect people's need and right to speak their minds and their

feelings. I'm a caring person and I am one of the people who worried

whether was alright for 2 weeks.

>

> Victim types love to move around seeing who'll listen to their sad

stories and when someone calls them on their behaviour, they can't

wait to bad mouth others with half the story. Their half. It is

hardly a true picture as you and have demonstrated.

>

> As my name was brought into this by in a disparaging way, I

feel fully entitled to speak up. So keeping my mouth shut isn't an

option. Thanks anyway for your helpful suggestions. :~)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I am " the " of Chris's post. And although I am on

board with the notion that there is something not right with Bee,

You got that right, dear!

Bee combined other programs together and came up with her program so

she can be the 'authority' and charge for her 'knowledge'.

It's an ego trip, pure and simple.

Jeannette - Another banned for speaking for Truth

[Guest guest]

This is getting boring!

Keen

Re: Re: Bee's group- MY experience with Bee

Yes, Bob, you've clearly " moved on " . You jumped at the opportunity to

bad mouth her and tell " your " story as soon as you had an opportunity.

And the nastiness of your response to me illustrates how at peace your

are.

I am not one of the chroney worshippers as you call it. I hardly post

to this or her list. I sometimes resent the feeling I get that I'm not

allowed to speak my mind over there if it appears to criticize her

methods but I *fully* respect the time and work she puts into her list

and I appreciate and learn from her knowledge. I totally believe that

she has a kind heart and a desire to help people regardless of some of

the list rules. No disrespect here!!!

I respect people's need and right to speak their minds and their

feelings. I'm a caring person and I am one of the people who worried

whether was alright for 2 weeks.

Victim types love to move around seeing who'll listen to their sad

stories and when someone calls them on their behaviour, they can't wait

to bad mouth others with half the story. Their half. It is hardly a

true picture as you and have demonstrated.

As my name was brought into this by in a disparaging way, I feel

fully entitled to speak up. So keeping my mouth shut isn't an option.

Thanks anyway for your helpful suggestions. :~)

[Guest guest]

--- Keen Venables <kvenables@...> wrote:

> This is getting boring!

More like pathetic!

Love... Sue

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