Re: Excess gas: your Yeast is delighted

[Guest guest]

Actually your gas is CO2, a byproduct of yeast metabolism. Whatever you

are doing, is pleasing to your yeast. You have become a perfect yeast

incubating chamber.

>

> I have had a great deal of bloating and flatulence..and have been

> doing several things that could be causing die off.Is gas part of

die -

> off?

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, the bloating and flatulence can be part of die off also, things

can often get worse and anything you've had with yeast overgrowth,

will usually flare up.

You can be in a state of it overgrowing, then receding and so forth,

so it can be a real to and fro struggle. Key is, not to consume

things that will allow it to grow, like sugars, grains, starches,

cheese/milk, anything fermented, yeasts, glutens etc etc.

It takes time to heal and get it under control. If you have

something else going on as well as the yeast, you may find it

particularly challenging and have many very very difficult unpleasant

moments as your body is attempting to heal/detox at the sametime and

try and get yeast under some control as well. Hard when yeast tends

to overgrow in toxic situations, even if you are not feeding it, the

toxins encourage it also! So imagine the body's attempt at trying to

juggle all things at once.

But definitely watch that you are not consuming any fermented

products, like wines, cheese, vinegar, pickles etc, or any of the

obvious that I mentioned above (sugars/yeasts/glutens etc). Keep

things plain, simple and don't overeat too much.

.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > I have had a great deal of bloating and flatulence..and have been

> > doing several things that could be causing die off.Is gas part of

> die -

> > off?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Yes, the bloating and flatulence can be part of die off

NOPE. I culture kefir. When the kefir is especially happy with it's

environment, it reproduces faster, outgassing a lot of CO2. Open the

jar and the gas will just about knock you our if you inhale it.

High gas production is a sign of an extra strong culture. Whatever the

OP is doing has produced optimal conditions for the yeast.

[Guest guest]

Actually, the " sniff test " tells a more detailed story on gas

content. The " paint peelers " contain more methane, and as your bowel

ecology becomes more normal, the gas won't reek as much because

carbon dioxide will be the majority again

Carbon dioxide is produced by candida, yeast, lactobacilli, and

several neutrals. But you won't smell much but the methane in a

condition of dysbiosis. As the candida and rest of the dysbiosis is

cured the methane production will be necessarily less, leading to

less aroma.

When you first start to eat inulin, much of the gas will be from

neutral bacteria (not candida) that will soon be controlled by

probiotics as the bowel pH drops.

Duncan

> >

> > I have had a great deal of bloating and flatulence..and have been

> > doing several things that could be causing die off.Is gas part of

> die -

> > off?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The advice to avoid yeast and anything fermented does not correspond

to the fact that yeast is often a key part of anti-candida probiotics.

Kefir and yogurt ferments are also considered to be key products for

treating candida.

Similarly, alcohol is a candida waste product and its use is already

busted as a candida myth.

Acetic acid (vinegar) is a primary acidifier that bifidobacteria

issue to control yeast in the bowel by reducing pH.

Duncan

> Key is, not to consume

> things that will allow it to grow, like sugars, grains, starches,

> cheese/milk, anything fermented, yeasts, glutens etc etc.

>

> .

[Guest guest]

The problem with Candida albicans is that it eats living human

tissue. Albicans has a place in the body, a good place...but can

overgrow when the other microflora are harmed.

> > Key is, not to consume

> > things that will allow it to grow, like sugars, grains, starches,

> > cheese/milk, anything fermented, yeasts, glutens etc etc.

> >

> > .

>

[Guest guest]

The problem is, you can get similar effects as yeast die off, to when

it is growing, so yeah it is really difficult. If you are sticking

to a good candida diet, it is most likely some healing symptoms, but

I feel you might be overdoing it a bit in taking so many products at

once.

Diet alone is actually enough, but is aided by things like coconut

oil and maybe garlic when the time is right and when you can handle

it and other products.

Fruit is not generally recommended, it is natural sugar and some do

not do ok on having it. It depends on how serious your candida

condition is and how serious you are to reducing it. The main things

to concentrate on eating are vegetables, meat, healthy fats, eggs

etc. Be careful of high carb foods like potatoes, fruit, grains etc

and lactose/dairy like milk/cheese etc.

I wouldn't be discouraged at all, I'd say it's die off, but I feel

you are going for overkill by using so many things at once. They

should only serve to aid the process, diet is the main foundation.

Bloating/gas can definitely be signs of die off!!! It varies for

everybody.

But yes I know what you mean by the contradictions, but I'd say stay

on the safe side and be a little more strict with diet that some

other diets out there that might allow for certain things. It really

does depend on your condition and what you're safe to allow into your

diet. Some " can " allow limited fruit, grain and high carb

vegetables, some cannot! But I wouldn't personally until I had

gotten things well under control and made sure of it for sometime

before adding things back in.

.

>

I am sooo discouraged, I recently asked if excess gas could be a die-

off symptom and a member replied that it signified that I was

actually pleasing my yeast..I don't know what to do ..there's so much

conflicting advice and infornation out there! I have spent so much

money on things that are supposed to help. Right now I am using

coconut oil, grapefruitseed extract, garlic,pre and

probiotics,digestive enzymes, hydrochloric betaine, threelac,oxygen

elements,and just started a " greens " drink and psyllium.I am

following most of the diet guidlines but again noone seems to agree

on this..some say NO friut , some say it's o.k.!!! aaarrrggg!! Would

appreciate any and all feedback!djtabr2000

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> The problem is, you can get similar effects as yeast die off, to

when

> it is growing

Says who? That just doesn't make any sense. Dying yeast doesn't

produce CO2. A lot of gas from it just means it's healthy and happy.

Any living thing is going to produce more CO2 as a waste product with

it's metabolism is in high gear.

[Guest guest]

>Hi Elaine,

>Just to clarify, is your feedback about the B.E.D. not working your

>opinion having read the book and tried it or just your opinion? I am

>not meaning offense here, but I would reallly like feedback from

>those who have read the literature and/or have tried it. Thanks!! Be

>Well, Azalyne

>-- In

><mailto:candidiasis%40>candidiasis ,

> " fats_malone2002 " <signposts8@...>

>wrote:

>>

>> The problem is, you can get similar effects as yeast die off, to

>when

>> it is growing

>

>Says who? That just doesn't make any sense. Dying yeast doesn't

>produce CO2. A lot of gas from it just means it's healthy and happy.

>

>Any living thing is going to produce more CO2 as a waste product with

>it's metabolism is in high gear.

>

>

--

The quickest way to change the world is to be of service to others.

Show that your love can make a difference in the lives of people and

thereby someone else's love can make a difference in your life. By

each of us doing that and working together we change the world one

inner person at a time.

-- Dannion Brinkley

[Guest guest]

Elaine's right -- if candida can eat living tissue, people who have

systemic candidiasis have good reason to bolster their immune

response to it. A good immune system is paramount, and the way to

increase immune response and accuracy is Transfer Factor from 4Life,

and undenatured whey and selenium.

But Bee's advice, if you follow it without modification, strips you

of your option to use undenatured whey and selenium, even though it's

the most important immune system increaser, toxin reducer, and

cellular support against cellular infiltration that you could use.

The approach is even beyond discussion on group, which

derails the primary " friendly helpful " aspiration of the group.

Duncan

>

>

> The problem with Candida albicans is that it eats living human

> tissue. Albicans has a place in the body, a good place...but can

> overgrow when the other microflora are harmed.

[Guest guest]

I sure hope the gas the die off. I have had horrible gas on and off

since starting the inulin in october. One thing that still makes me

think it is die off more than growth is that the gas seems to be worse

when I am on a stronger antifungal regimen. At least that is how it

seems. The only carbs I eat are from green vegetables. Unless maybe

anyone knows if vit c megadosing or l-carnitine are major causes of

gas. In which case it would again be very unlikely the gas is from

growth. My spit test doesn't seem to be as bad as it used to be

either, if that is truely an indicator. It takes about 5 minutes to

get the bottom of a glass instead of 30 seconds. The gas is frequent,

fowl(often smelling like pure methane), and slow to dissipate and I

haven't got a clue as what to do.

greg

> > >

> > > I have had a great deal of bloating and flatulence..and have been

> > > doing several things that could be causing die off.Is gas part of

> > die -

> > > off?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Elaine, it looks OK except for the lack of inulin, undenatured whey

and selenium at least.

What's the carb level of the greens drink?

I have just learned that a couple of specific problem bacteria can

ferment psyllium. Although they seldom present a problem, they can.

Try removing the psyllium and thr fruit, and re-appraise the greens

drink and use more inulin; inulin is a soluble fiber like psyllium

that carries no potential for negative effect.

Duncan

>

> I am sooo discouraged, I recently asked if excess gas could be a

die-off symptom and a member replied that it signified that I was

actually pleasing my yeast..I don't know what to do ..there's so much

conflicting advice and infornation out there! I have spent so much

money on things that are supposed to help. Right now I am using

coconut oil, grapefruitseed extract, garlic,pre and

probiotics,digestive enzymes, hydrochloric betaine, threelac,oxygen

elements,and just started a " greens " drink and psyllium.I am

following most of the diet guidlines but again noone seems to agree

on this..some say NO friut , some say it's o.k.!!! aaarrrggg!! Would

appreciate any and all feedback!djtabr2000

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elaine, I don't pretend to know everything there is to know about

everything, if I get an effect from die off and it's gas and bloating,

then obviously if it occurs when I am on a candida diet, something is

occuring.

why does it occur when I have dropped the sugars etc and am fighting

it? It is not unheard of at all for this to occur, it's not for me to

try and explain, I'm not a doctor or health professional. I have

experienced it, and hear others do also. In fact, when I used an

antifungal, the bloating and excess gas got worse....are you saying

that I was actually feeding the candida? How does that makes sense if

I'm taking more steps to kill it?

I remember using an antifungal and my entire abdomen blew up like I was

pregnant, I had bloating, pain, the lot. That doesn't even happen when

I'm cheating on my diet!

please come up with an explanation of why when I'm taking steps to

eradicate it, that I have experienced bloating and gas I'd be

interested to hear it.

.

> -

>

> Says who? That just doesn't make any sense. Dying yeast doesn't

> produce CO2. A lot of gas from it just means it's healthy and happy.

>

> Any living thing is going to produce more CO2 as a waste product with

> it's metabolism is in high gear.

>

[Guest guest]

The concept of " yeast die offs " is foreign to me.

IS there acutally are yeast diet? Some say yes... but it remains to

be seen. Not really into the fugicides either.

There is a theory of yeast diets. Somebody can THINK their diet is

anti-yeast...but thinking doesn't necessarily make it so. It can be

quite the opposite.

If someone has ever worked with actively culturing yeast and

fermented foods, they well know the signs of a happy culture.

>

> Elaine, I don't pretend to know everything there is to know about

> everything, if I get an effect from die off and it's gas and

bloating,

> then obviously if it occurs when I am on a candida diet, something

is

> occuring.

>

> why does it occur when I have dropped the sugars etc and am

fighting

> it? It is not unheard of at all for this to occur, it's not for

me to

> try and explain, I'm not a doctor or health professional. I have

> experienced it, and hear others do also. In fact, when I used an

> antifungal, the bloating and excess gas got worse....are you

saying

> that I was actually feeding the candida? How does that makes

sense if

> I'm taking more steps to kill it?

>

> I remember using an antifungal and my entire abdomen blew up like

I was

> pregnant, I had bloating, pain, the lot. That doesn't even happen

when

> I'm cheating on my diet!

>

> please come up with an explanation of why when I'm taking steps

to

> eradicate it, that I have experienced bloating and gas I'd be

> interested to hear it.

>

> .

> > -

>

>

> >

> > Says who? That just doesn't make any sense. Dying yeast doesn't

> > produce CO2. A lot of gas from it just means it's healthy and

happy.

> >

> > Any living thing is going to produce more CO2 as a waste product

with

> > it's metabolism is in high gear.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Read the last couple of day's messages to get caught up. I believe

Yeast can be overcome, but not by diet restrictions per se.

As far as the case of excess gas and bloating... new information

suggests the person was not yet used to the inulin.

> >>

> >> The problem is, you can get similar effects as yeast die off,

to

> >when

> >> it is growing

> >

> >Says who? That just doesn't make any sense. Dying yeast doesn't

> >produce CO2. A lot of gas from it just means it's healthy and

happy.

> >

> >Any living thing is going to produce more CO2 as a waste product

with

> >it's metabolism is in high gear.

> >

> >

>

>

> --

> The quickest way to change the world is to be of service to

others.

> Show that your love can make a difference in the lives of people

and

> thereby someone else's love can make a difference in your life. By

> each of us doing that and working together we change the world one

> inner person at a time.

>

> -- Dannion Brinkley

>

>

[Guest guest]

Question: how many carbs/day do you consume? I'm a vegetarian and am

trying to figure out where to get protein besides beans and grains like

quinoa. I assume you've eliminated all them? Guidance would be

appreciated! Thanks!

>

> I sure hope the gas the die off. I have had horrible gas on and off

> since starting the inulin in october. One thing that still makes me

> think it is die off more than growth is that the gas seems to be worse

> when I am on a stronger antifungal regimen. At least that is how it

> seems. The only carbs I eat are from green vegetables.

[Guest guest]

I don't have an answer about he carbs per day, but if you are not

vegan then eggs, homemade yogurt, kefir have some protein. We still

have some beans & nuts in our diet, but I carefully prepare them and

make sure that they are not eaten daily, but rotated. For beans I

soak for 24 hours & sometimes I even sprout them before cooking

depends on the bean. For nuts I soak with 1T seasalt for about 12

hours and then eat raw or dehydrate for later snacking. Soaked,

sprouted dehydrated sunflower seeds are pretty easy & yummy too. Hope

this helps! Be Well, Azalyne

P.S. What is the opinion out there on eating shitake & other

medicinal fungus while battling yeast, as mushrooms can also be a

good source of protein/B12.

>Question: how many carbs/day do you consume? I'm a vegetarian and am

>trying to figure out where to get protein besides beans and grains like

>quinoa. I assume you've eliminated all them? Guidance would be

>appreciated! Thanks!

>

>>

>> I sure hope the gas the die off. I have had horrible gas on and off

>> since starting the inulin in october. One thing that still makes me

>> think it is die off more than growth is that the gas seems to be worse

>> when I am on a stronger antifungal regimen. At least that is how it

>> seems. The only carbs I eat are from green vegetables.

>

>

--

The quickest way to change the world is to be of service to others.

Show that your love can make a difference in the lives of people and

thereby someone else's love can make a difference in your life. By

each of us doing that and working together we change the world one

inner person at a time.

-- Dannion Brinkley

[Guest guest]

Here is a link http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/help1.php

If you scroll down to healing reactions are not allergic reactions,

you'll see mention of gas/bloating as part of healing also in this

condition. The info is provided by Bee, who has had extensive

experience in this area of health and runs a forum herself, plus is

well aware of the many types of healing symptoms people can go

through, including gas/bloating.

I do not see why gas and bloating has to be yeast being happy, surely

as they die, they give off even more toxins than normal? Thinking

it's an anti yeast diet doesn't make it so, but results speak volumes.

surely eradicating sugar and junkfood out of the diet is always a

good thing? So why should this lead to gas and bloating? Again, in

regards to someone making a diet change for the better (whether for

yeast or simply lifestyle) why they should have a sudden worsening of

symptoms temporarily and then so often improvement? It's not just

about antiyeast, it is about a diet that includes healthy foods and

elimination of the bad. If gas and bloating occur due to this,

something good must be happening if the outcome so often leads to

improvements.

.

>

> The concept of " yeast die offs " is foreign to me.

> IS there acutally are yeast diet? Some say yes... but it remains to

> be seen. Not really into the fugicides either.

>

> There is a theory of yeast diets. Somebody can THINK their diet is

> anti-yeast...but thinking doesn't necessarily make it so. It can be

> quite the opposite.

>

> If someone has ever worked with actively culturing yeast and

> fermented foods, they well know the signs of a happy culture.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Elaine, I don't pretend to know everything there is to know about

> > everything, if I get an effect from die off and it's gas and

> bloating,

> > then obviously if it occurs when I am on a candida diet,

something

> is

> > occuring.

> >

> > why does it occur when I have dropped the sugars etc and am

> fighting

> > it? It is not unheard of at all for this to occur, it's not for

> me to

> > try and explain, I'm not a doctor or health professional. I have

> > experienced it, and hear others do also. In fact, when I used an

> > antifungal, the bloating and excess gas got worse....are you

> saying

> > that I was actually feeding the candida? How does that makes

> sense if

> > I'm taking more steps to kill it?

> >

> > I remember using an antifungal and my entire abdomen blew up like

> I was

> > pregnant, I had bloating, pain, the lot. That doesn't even

happen

> when

> > I'm cheating on my diet!

> >

> > please come up with an explanation of why when I'm taking steps

> to

> > eradicate it, that I have experienced bloating and gas I'd

be

> > interested to hear it.

> >

> > .

> > > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Says who? That just doesn't make any sense. Dying yeast

doesn't

> > > produce CO2. A lot of gas from it just means it's healthy and

> happy.

> > >

> > > Any living thing is going to produce more CO2 as a waste

product

> with

> > > it's metabolism is in high gear.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Elaine, as a biologist you might know of " die off " by it's correct

name " Herxheimer effect " or " Herxheimer reaction " . All it is is flu-

like symptoms of toxin burden.

The anti-yeast diet is essentiually low-carbing; some people include

supplements as " diet " but I think these should be accounted for

separately.

I think we have a handle on it on this list.

Duncan

>

>

> The concept of " yeast die offs " is foreign to me.

> IS there acutally are yeast diet? Some say yes... but it remains to

> be seen. Not really into the fugicides either.

>

> There is a theory of yeast diets. Somebody can THINK their diet is

> anti-yeast...but thinking doesn't necessarily make it so. It can be

> quite the opposite.

>

> If someone has ever worked with actively culturing yeast and

> fermented foods, they well know the signs of a happy culture.

[Guest guest]

Uponwine, it's too bad you're a vegetarian, and I hope you'll use

eggs and undenatured whey, from happy cows and chickens of course.

The candida diet relies heavily on protein, and the kind of protein

we need -- animal-based protein -- will contain a LOT of branched-

chain amino acids.

You can conceivably fudge using a lot of amino acid supplements to

correct your deficiency as well as maintain lean tissue mass, while

maintaining strict veganism but you have to be very, very good at

what you're doing and it's incredibly expensive too. Not doing it

will probably result in a reduced life span. Sad but true.

Body builders who switched from eggs and whey prtoein to soy protein

started to lose muscle mass right away. Do yourself a favour and try

the undenatured whey.

Duncan

>

> Question: how many carbs/day do you consume? I'm a vegetarian and

am

> trying to figure out where to get protein besides beans and grains

like

> quinoa. I assume you've eliminated all them? Guidance would be

> appreciated! Thanks!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Keen, I dunno about using the fart sniff test as a fairly good

assessment, but it is one of many indicators of bowel health. Bear in

mind that methane is always a major part of bowel gases, and methane

is created both directly and indirectly via hydrogen production, and

smell will also be influenced temporarily by things like beans etc,

which ferment to produce odorous sulfide gas so the whole thing

varies considerably. Yes it's still a useful indicator.

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan

>

> So, can you use that as a fairly good assessment of your own bowel

> state? If your gas is not very smelly you are doing well?

>

> Thanks

> Keen

[Guest guest]

Keen, to clarify, yeast produces carbon dioxide which is odorless,

but the underlying condition of dysbiosis that allows the candida to

fluorish will produce a lot of methane as an indicator, so you can

ballpark guess the candida based on your assumptions on the dysbiosis.

The most powerful probiotic bacteria, bifidobacteria, do not produce

measurable CO2 or methane, but short chain fatty acids. It's the

lactobacilli that produce CO2, like the candida; however these like

the other bacteria are held in check by the stronger bifidobacteria.

Duncan

>

> There can be many reasons for an increase in gas. As Duncan noted,

more

> methane in your gas can mean more candida growing. More CO2 can

mean

> more of the good bacteria growing.

>

> You seem to forget that you don't just have candida growing in your

> intestines. You should have a lot of different bacteria and yeasts

> growing inside you and they will balance each other out and you

will be

> healthy.

>

> Keen

[Guest guest]

>

> Doreen,

>

> It most certainly can be a product of die-off. My ND woarned me

when I went on the a yeast cleanse to begin with of gas. The

bactoeria dyeing can produce gas too. And I can tell you that

firstmonth the gas I was experiencing as BAD. But I cleared up my

candida, lost 75-80 lbs. So hang in there.

>

> I recently went back on the Aqua Flora I was taking for yeast and

experienced minor gas problems right away. So I think I must have a

small growth problem.

>

> Belinda

>

>

[Guest guest]

Azalyne, the polysaccharides in medicinal mushrooms are unlikely to

feed candida. Similars are also found in sea vegetables and aloe

vera, which are not knwon to aggravate candida and which are known to

be very health-promoting.

So far, I think it's a myth that you have to avoid these foods.

Duncan

>

> I don't have an answer about he carbs per day, but if you are not

> vegan then eggs, homemade yogurt, kefir have some protein. We still

> have some beans & nuts in our diet, but I carefully prepare them

and

> make sure that they are not eaten daily, but rotated. For beans I

> soak for 24 hours & sometimes I even sprout them before cooking

> depends on the bean. For nuts I soak with 1T seasalt for about 12

> hours and then eat raw or dehydrate for later snacking. Soaked,

> sprouted dehydrated sunflower seeds are pretty easy & yummy too.

Hope

> this helps! Be Well, Azalyne

> P.S. What is the opinion out there on eating shitake & other

> medicinal fungus while battling yeast, as mushrooms can also be a

> good source of protein/B12.

>

> >Question: how many carbs/day do you consume? I'm a vegetarian and

am

> >trying to figure out where to get protein besides beans and grains

like

> >quinoa. I assume you've eliminated all them? Guidance would be

> >appreciated! Thanks!

> >

> >>

> >> I sure hope the gas the die off. I have had horrible gas on and

off

> >> since starting the inulin in october. One thing that still

makes me

> >> think it is die off more than growth is that the gas seems to

be worse

> >> when I am on a stronger antifungal regimen. At least that is

how it

> >> seems. The only carbs I eat are from green vegetables.

> >

> >

>

>

> --

> The quickest way to change the world is to be of service to others.

> Show that your love can make a difference in the lives of people

and

> thereby someone else's love can make a difference in your life. By

> each of us doing that and working together we change the world one

> inner person at a time.

>

> -- Dannion Brinkley

>

>