Re: alcohol does not feed candida - now sulfites and reactions

[Guest guest]

I've heard that grapes from Chili contain the highest amount of pesticides

among other grapes.. Could be a reaction to pestcides, with perhaps Italian

and French wines using less pesticides.. could also be that types of grapes

are more hardy than others, so for example they may not use as much

pesticides on pinot noir grapes.. I tend to do quite well with very dry

French merlot's, and I'm also OK with Pinot Noir. I'm just guessing, just

my wholly-uninformed 2cents.

(I just found an article that implicates French wines with heavy pesticide

use! http://money.guardian.co.uk/ethicalliving/story/0,,1770860,00.html so

I don't really know ...)

Have you tried organic wines?

> Re: alcohol does not feed candida - now

> sulfites and reactions

>

>

> Speaking of sulfites, this may interest some of you.

> About 6 years ago, I began getting migraines while

> drinking wine. Initially I thought it was the

> sulfites, so I began drinking sulfite-free wine (not a

> lot of quality back then in this category.) A very

> wise sommelier suggested to me that it might not be a

> true sulfite 'allergy', as different varietals have

> different levels of sulfites, tannins, and other

> things, aqnd he suggested I try different

> varietials/quality levels.

>

> Bottom line - I can drink virtually any Pinot Noir

> with no reaction, and selected brands of other

> varieties. Generally, better-quality wines cause no

> reaction, and I also tend to do better with French and

> Italian imports. Other imports seem more

> problematic...

>

> It is an onging, and interesting, experiment!

> >

[Guest guest]

I am wondering if it would help much to buy your own non-organic grapes and

make your own wine; even if you wash the grapes first anybody know to what

extent if any the pesticides can actually seep into the fruit? (And the same

for all other fruit for that matter. That's a horrible thought...)

My grandma used to make wine from anything she could grow in the back

garden: gooseberries, strawberries, raspberries. No grapes, though; we lived

in England.

Anyway, back to the grapes...you could buy organic grapes and try making own

wine, but it's an art...

And I think somebody already mentioned that there is a difference between

red wine and white wine: some people are allergic to red wine but not to

white wine.

avraham

On 12/27/06, Asli Kumcu <magnecho@...> wrote:

>

> I've heard that grapes from Chili contain the highest amount of

> pesticides

> among other grapes.. Could be a reaction to pestcides, with perhaps

> Italian

> and French wines using less pesticides.. could also be that types of

> grapes

> are more hardy than others, so for example they may not use as much

> pesticides on pinot noir grapes.. I tend to do quite well with very dry

> French merlot's, and I'm also OK with Pinot Noir. I'm just guessing, just

> my wholly-uninformed 2cents.

>

> (I just found an article that implicates French wines with heavy pesticide

> use! http://money.guardian.co.uk/ethicalliving/story/0,,1770860,00.html so

> I don't really know ...)

>

> Have you tried organic wines?

>

> > Re: alcohol does not feed candida - now

> > sulfites and reactions

> >

> >

> > Speaking of sulfites, this may interest some of you.

> > About 6 years ago, I began getting migraines while

> > drinking wine. Initially I thought it was the

> > sulfites, so I began drinking sulfite-free wine (not a

> > lot of quality back then in this category.) A very

> > wise sommelier suggested to me that it might not be a

> > true sulfite 'allergy', as different varietals have

> > different levels of sulfites, tannins, and other

> > things, aqnd he suggested I try different

> > varietials/quality levels.

> >

> > Bottom line - I can drink virtually any Pinot Noir

> > with no reaction, and selected brands of other

> > varieties. Generally, better-quality wines cause no

> > reaction, and I also tend to do better with French and

> > Italian imports. Other imports seem more

> > problematic...

> >

> > It is an onging, and interesting, experiment!

> > >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We have a vinyard and make wine, it is extremely difficult to grow

grapes without some fungicides and pesticides. And yes, anything

sprayed on a grape permeates the skin, some may be less toxic and

pass out of the grapes quicker. Some are systemic and work by going

throughout the vine, yuck. Many chemicals may not be sprayed for

weeks before harvest allowing them to dissipate but regardless on a

commercial vinyard there are some pretty nasty chemicals sprayed! I

would definately try organics and see how you react.

As for making wine, it is alot of fun, time consuming and alot of

trial and error. The most important thing is cleanliness, all the

equipment must be sterilized.

Interestingly enough, pinot noir is a weaker or more difficult grape

to grow and I would imagine has more pesticides/fungicides used on

it.

> >

> > I've heard that grapes from Chili contain the highest amount of

> > pesticides

> > among other grapes.. Could be a reaction to pestcides, with

perhaps

> > Italian

> > and French wines using less pesticides.. could also be that types

of

> > grapes

> > are more hardy than others, so for example they may not use as

much

> > pesticides on pinot noir grapes.. I tend to do quite well with

very dry

> > French merlot's, and I'm also OK with Pinot Noir. I'm just

guessing, just

> > my wholly-uninformed 2cents.

> >

> > (I just found an article that implicates French wines with heavy

pesticide

> > use!

http://money.guardian.co.uk/ethicalliving/story/0,,1770860,00.html so

> > I don't really know ...)

> >

> > Have you tried organic wines?

> >

> > > Re: alcohol does not feed candida - now

> > > sulfites and reactions

> > >

> > >

> > > Speaking of sulfites, this may interest some of you.

> > > About 6 years ago, I began getting migraines while

> > > drinking wine. Initially I thought it was the

> > > sulfites, so I began drinking sulfite-free wine (not a

> > > lot of quality back then in this category.) A very

> > > wise sommelier suggested to me that it might not be a

> > > true sulfite 'allergy', as different varietals have

> > > different levels of sulfites, tannins, and other

> > > things, aqnd he suggested I try different

> > > varietials/quality levels.

> > >

> > > Bottom line - I can drink virtually any Pinot Noir

> > > with no reaction, and selected brands of other

> > > varieties. Generally, better-quality wines cause no

> > > reaction, and I also tend to do better with French and

> > > Italian imports. Other imports seem more

> > > problematic...

> > >

> > > It is an onging, and interesting, experiment!

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>> We have a vinyard and make wine, it is extremely difficult to grow

grapes without some fungicides and pesticides.

So, to ask the famous question: well how did they grow grapes and make wine

in the good old days a long time ago before there were such things as

fungicides and pesticides...? Did they have tiny little men standing guard

and chasing away all the creepy-crawlies? (Now, that's a thought, maybe

nanotechnology will come to the rescue and make fungicides and pesticides

obsolete...)

>> Some are systemic and work by going throughout the vine, yuck.

Yes, yuck, indeed. Now you have really messed it up for me, the once-wine

lover that I am (was). Now it's going to be difficult for to look another

wine bottle in the face without seeing it as a bottle of poisons.

be well :-)

- avraham

On 12/27/06, <amandasunshowers@...> wrote:

>

> We have a vinyard and make wine, it is extremely difficult to grow

> grapes without some fungicides and pesticides. And yes, anything

> sprayed on a grape permeates the skin, some may be less toxic and

> pass out of the grapes quicker. Some are systemic and work by going

> throughout the vine, yuck. Many chemicals may not be sprayed for

> weeks before harvest allowing them to dissipate but regardless on a

> commercial vinyard there are some pretty nasty chemicals sprayed! I

> would definately try organics and see how you react.

>

> As for making wine, it is alot of fun, time consuming and alot of

> trial and error. The most important thing is cleanliness, all the

> equipment must be sterilized.

>

> Interestingly enough, pinot noir is a weaker or more difficult grape

> to grow and I would imagine has more pesticides/fungicides used on

> it.

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > I've heard that grapes from Chili contain the highest amount of

> > > pesticides

> > > among other grapes.. Could be a reaction to pestcides, with

> perhaps

> > > Italian

> > > and French wines using less pesticides.. could also be that types

> of

> > > grapes

> > > are more hardy than others, so for example they may not use as

> much

> > > pesticides on pinot noir grapes.. I tend to do quite well with

> very dry

> > > French merlot's, and I'm also OK with Pinot Noir. I'm just

> guessing, just

> > > my wholly-uninformed 2cents.

> > >

> > > (I just found an article that implicates French wines with heavy

> pesticide

> > > use!

> http://money.guardian.co.uk/ethicalliving/story/0,,1770860,00.html so

> > > I don't really know ...)

> > >

> > > Have you tried organic wines?

> > >

> > > > Re: alcohol does not feed candida - now

> > > > sulfites and reactions

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Speaking of sulfites, this may interest some of you.

> > > > About 6 years ago, I began getting migraines while

> > > > drinking wine. Initially I thought it was the

> > > > sulfites, so I began drinking sulfite-free wine (not a

> > > > lot of quality back then in this category.) A very

> > > > wise sommelier suggested to me that it might not be a

> > > > true sulfite 'allergy', as different varietals have

> > > > different levels of sulfites, tannins, and other

> > > > things, aqnd he suggested I try different

> > > > varietials/quality levels.

> > > >

> > > > Bottom line - I can drink virtually any Pinot Noir

> > > > with no reaction, and selected brands of other

> > > > varieties. Generally, better-quality wines cause no

> > > > reaction, and I also tend to do better with French and

> > > > Italian imports. Other imports seem more

> > > > problematic...

> > > >

> > > > It is an onging, and interesting, experiment!

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am a wine lover and also sensitive to sulfites...

I have been drinking organic wine/no sulfites added without any problems.

Look for organic wine labeled no sulfites added. There are some natural

sulfites in the wine making process, but some do not ADD sulfites and that is

where the problems occur (for me any way)

Some to check out:

The Organic Wine Works

Freys

China Bend

Hope that helps

Tara

Avraham Makeler <amakeler@...> wrote:

>> We have a vinyard and make wine, it is extremely difficult to grow

grapes without some fungicides and pesticides.

So, to ask the famous question: well how did they grow grapes and make wine

in the good old days a long time ago before there were such things as

fungicides and pesticides...? Did they have tiny little men standing guard

and chasing away all the creepy-crawlies? (Now, that's a thought, maybe

nanotechnology will come to the rescue and make fungicides and pesticides

obsolete...)

>> Some are systemic and work by going throughout the vine, yuck.

Yes, yuck, indeed. Now you have really messed it up for me, the once-wine

lover that I am (was). Now it's going to be difficult for to look another

wine bottle in the face without seeing it as a bottle of poisons.

be well :-)

- avraham

On 12/27/06, <amandasunshowers@...> wrote:

>

> We have a vinyard and make wine, it is extremely difficult to grow

> grapes without some fungicides and pesticides. And yes, anything

> sprayed on a grape permeates the skin, some may be less toxic and

> pass out of the grapes quicker. Some are systemic and work by going

> throughout the vine, yuck. Many chemicals may not be sprayed for

> weeks before harvest allowing them to dissipate but regardless on a

> commercial vinyard there are some pretty nasty chemicals sprayed! I

> would definately try organics and see how you react.

>

> As for making wine, it is alot of fun, time consuming and alot of

> trial and error. The most important thing is cleanliness, all the

> equipment must be sterilized.

>

> Interestingly enough, pinot noir is a weaker or more difficult grape

> to grow and I would imagine has more pesticides/fungicides used on

> it.

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > I've heard that grapes from Chili contain the highest amount of

> > > pesticides

> > > among other grapes.. Could be a reaction to pestcides, with

> perhaps

> > > Italian

> > > and French wines using less pesticides.. could also be that types

> of

> > > grapes

> > > are more hardy than others, so for example they may not use as

> much

> > > pesticides on pinot noir grapes.. I tend to do quite well with

> very dry

> > > French merlot's, and I'm also OK with Pinot Noir. I'm just

> guessing, just

> > > my wholly-uninformed 2cents.

> > >

> > > (I just found an article that implicates French wines with heavy

> pesticide

> > > use!

> http://money.guardian.co.uk/ethicalliving/story/0,,1770860,00.html so

> > > I don't really know ...)

> > >

> > > Have you tried organic wines?

> > >

> > > > Re: alcohol does not feed candida - now

> > > > sulfites and reactions

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Speaking of sulfites, this may interest some of you.

> > > > About 6 years ago, I began getting migraines while

> > > > drinking wine. Initially I thought it was the

> > > > sulfites, so I began drinking sulfite-free wine (not a

> > > > lot of quality back then in this category.) A very

> > > > wise sommelier suggested to me that it might not be a

> > > > true sulfite 'allergy', as different varietals have

> > > > different levels of sulfites, tannins, and other

> > > > things, aqnd he suggested I try different

> > > > varietials/quality levels.

> > > >

> > > > Bottom line - I can drink virtually any Pinot Noir

> > > > with no reaction, and selected brands of other

> > > > varieties. Generally, better-quality wines cause no

> > > > reaction, and I also tend to do better with French and

> > > > Italian imports. Other imports seem more

> > > > problematic...

> > > >

> > > > It is an onging, and interesting, experiment!

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

" So, to ask the famous question: well how did they grow grapes and

make wine

in the good old days a long time ago before there were such things as

fungicides and pesticides...? Did they have tiny little men standing

guard

and chasing away all the creepy-crawlies? "

Hmmmm, that's partly correct, the Romans used slave labor and the

wine wasn't so great back then. Also, wine wasn't produced on such a

grand scale as today. That said, wine produced in drier climates

probably isn't as " poisonous " as in more humid areas.

Cheers,

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>> sensitive to sulfites...

what happens to you? if it is not a personal question ...

>> look for organic wine labeled no sulfites added

labeled " no sulfites added " is necessary? wine makers would go to the

trouble of growing organic grapes and then add sulfites to the wine they

make from them ...?

avraham

On 12/28/06, Tara Borosh <colbyjack98@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I am a wine lover and also sensitive to sulfites...

>

> I have been drinking organic wine/no sulfites added without any problems.

>

> Look for organic wine labeled no sulfites added. There are some natural

> sulfites in the wine making process, but some do not ADD sulfites and that

> is where the problems occur (for me any way)

>

> Some to check out:

>

> The Organic Wine Works

> Freys

> China Bend

>

> Hope that helps

> Tara

> Avraham Makeler <amakeler@... <amakeler%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> >> We have a vinyard and make wine, it is extremely difficult to grow

> grapes without some fungicides and pesticides.

>

> So, to ask the famous question: well how did they grow grapes and make

> wine

> in the good old days a long time ago before there were such things as

> fungicides and pesticides...? Did they have tiny little men standing guard

> and chasing away all the creepy-crawlies? (Now, that's a thought, maybe

> nanotechnology will come to the rescue and make fungicides and pesticides

> obsolete...)

>

> >> Some are systemic and work by going throughout the vine, yuck.

> Yes, yuck, indeed. Now you have really messed it up for me, the once-wine

> lover that I am (was). Now it's going to be difficult for to look another

> wine bottle in the face without seeing it as a bottle of poisons.

>

> be well :-)

>

> - avraham

>

> On 12/27/06,

<amandasunshowers@...<amandasunshowers%40hotmail.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> > We have a vinyard and make wine, it is extremely difficult to grow

> > grapes without some fungicides and pesticides. And yes, anything

> > sprayed on a grape permeates the skin, some may be less toxic and

> > pass out of the grapes quicker. Some are systemic and work by going

> > throughout the vine, yuck. Many chemicals may not be sprayed for

> > weeks before harvest allowing them to dissipate but regardless on a

> > commercial vinyard there are some pretty nasty chemicals sprayed! I

> > would definately try organics and see how you react.

> >

> > As for making wine, it is alot of fun, time consuming and alot of

> > trial and error. The most important thing is cleanliness, all the

> > equipment must be sterilized.

> >

> > Interestingly enough, pinot noir is a weaker or more difficult grape

> > to grow and I would imagine has more pesticides/fungicides used on

> > it.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > I've heard that grapes from Chili contain the highest amount of

> > > > pesticides

> > > > among other grapes.. Could be a reaction to pestcides, with

> > perhaps

> > > > Italian

> > > > and French wines using less pesticides.. could also be that types

> > of

> > > > grapes

> > > > are more hardy than others, so for example they may not use as

> > much

> > > > pesticides on pinot noir grapes.. I tend to do quite well with

> > very dry

> > > > French merlot's, and I'm also OK with Pinot Noir. I'm just

> > guessing, just

> > > > my wholly-uninformed 2cents.

> > > >

> > > > (I just found an article that implicates French wines with heavy

> > pesticide

> > > > use!

> > http://money.guardian.co.uk/ethicalliving/story/0,,1770860,00.html so

> > > > I don't really know ...)

> > > >

> > > > Have you tried organic wines?

> > > >

> > > > > Re: alcohol does not feed candida - now

> > > > > sulfites and reactions

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Speaking of sulfites, this may interest some of you.

> > > > > About 6 years ago, I began getting migraines while

> > > > > drinking wine. Initially I thought it was the

> > > > > sulfites, so I began drinking sulfite-free wine (not a

> > > > > lot of quality back then in this category.) A very

> > > > > wise sommelier suggested to me that it might not be a

> > > > > true sulfite 'allergy', as different varietals have

> > > > > different levels of sulfites, tannins, and other

> > > > > things, aqnd he suggested I try different

> > > > > varietials/quality levels.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bottom line - I can drink virtually any Pinot Noir

> > > > > with no reaction, and selected brands of other

> > > > > varieties. Generally, better-quality wines cause no

> > > > > reaction, and I also tend to do better with French and

> > > > > Italian imports. Other imports seem more

> > > > > problematic...

> > > > >

> > > > > It is an onging, and interesting, experiment!

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I get a headache and muscle pain...strange, but I have tried this many of times

and then made the connection. There are some people that are sensitive to

sulfites. I am not sure if everyone gets the same reaction as I do, but sure

enough, I do.

And yes, some organic wine makers will and do add sulfites at the end...I

learned to check labels. The couple that I mentioned, don't use sulfites and

it's on the label. So, if it is not stated, I don't drink it.

Hope you have luck in your area. I only have access to a few.

Tara

Avraham Makeler <amakeler@...> wrote:

>> sensitive to sulfites...

what happens to you? if it is not a personal question ...

>> look for organic wine labeled no sulfites added

labeled " no sulfites added " is necessary? wine makers would go to the

trouble of growing organic grapes and then add sulfites to the wine they

make from them ...?

avraham

On 12/28/06, Tara Borosh <colbyjack98@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I am a wine lover and also sensitive to sulfites...

>

> I have been drinking organic wine/no sulfites added without any problems.

>

> Look for organic wine labeled no sulfites added. There are some natural

> sulfites in the wine making process, but some do not ADD sulfites and that

> is where the problems occur (for me any way)

>

> Some to check out:

>

> The Organic Wine Works

> Freys

> China Bend

>

> Hope that helps

> Tara

> Avraham Makeler <amakeler@... <amakeler%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> >> We have a vinyard and make wine, it is extremely difficult to grow

> grapes without some fungicides and pesticides.

>

> So, to ask the famous question: well how did they grow grapes and make

> wine

> in the good old days a long time ago before there were such things as

> fungicides and pesticides...? Did they have tiny little men standing guard

> and chasing away all the creepy-crawlies? (Now, that's a thought, maybe

> nanotechnology will come to the rescue and make fungicides and pesticides

> obsolete...)

>

> >> Some are systemic and work by going throughout the vine, yuck.

> Yes, yuck, indeed. Now you have really messed it up for me, the once-wine

> lover that I am (was). Now it's going to be difficult for to look another

> wine bottle in the face without seeing it as a bottle of poisons.

>

> be well :-)

>

> - avraham

>

> On 12/27/06,

<amandasunshowers@...<amandasunshowers%40hotmail.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> > We have a vinyard and make wine, it is extremely difficult to grow

> > grapes without some fungicides and pesticides. And yes, anything

> > sprayed on a grape permeates the skin, some may be less toxic and

> > pass out of the grapes quicker. Some are systemic and work by going

> > throughout the vine, yuck. Many chemicals may not be sprayed for

> > weeks before harvest allowing them to dissipate but regardless on a

> > commercial vinyard there are some pretty nasty chemicals sprayed! I

> > would definately try organics and see how you react.

> >

> > As for making wine, it is alot of fun, time consuming and alot of

> > trial and error. The most important thing is cleanliness, all the

> > equipment must be sterilized.

> >

> > Interestingly enough, pinot noir is a weaker or more difficult grape

> > to grow and I would imagine has more pesticides/fungicides used on

> > it.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > I've heard that grapes from Chili contain the highest amount of

> > > > pesticides

> > > > among other grapes.. Could be a reaction to pestcides, with

> > perhaps

> > > > Italian

> > > > and French wines using less pesticides.. could also be that types

> > of

> > > > grapes

> > > > are more hardy than others, so for example they may not use as

> > much

> > > > pesticides on pinot noir grapes.. I tend to do quite well with

> > very dry

> > > > French merlot's, and I'm also OK with Pinot Noir. I'm just

> > guessing, just

> > > > my wholly-uninformed 2cents.

> > > >

> > > > (I just found an article that implicates French wines with heavy

> > pesticide

> > > > use!

> > http://money.guardian.co.uk/ethicalliving/story/0,,1770860,00.html so

> > > > I don't really know ...)

> > > >

> > > > Have you tried organic wines?

> > > >

> > > > > Re: alcohol does not feed candida - now

> > > > > sulfites and reactions

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Speaking of sulfites, this may interest some of you.

> > > > > About 6 years ago, I began getting migraines while

> > > > > drinking wine. Initially I thought it was the

> > > > > sulfites, so I began drinking sulfite-free wine (not a

> > > > > lot of quality back then in this category.) A very

> > > > > wise sommelier suggested to me that it might not be a

> > > > > true sulfite 'allergy', as different varietals have

> > > > > different levels of sulfites, tannins, and other

> > > > > things, aqnd he suggested I try different

> > > > > varietials/quality levels.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bottom line - I can drink virtually any Pinot Noir

> > > > > with no reaction, and selected brands of other

> > > > > varieties. Generally, better-quality wines cause no

> > > > > reaction, and I also tend to do better with French and

> > > > > Italian imports. Other imports seem more

> > > > > problematic...

> > > > >

> > > > > It is an onging, and interesting, experiment!

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

It could be the " additives " to the wine - you would be amazed at the

chemicals that they put into wine!

Keen

Re: alcohol does not feed candida - now sulfites

and reactions

Speaking of sulfites, this may interest some of you.

About 6 years ago, I began getting migraines while

drinking wine. Initially I thought it was the

sulfites, so I began drinking sulfite-free wine (not a

lot of quality back then in this category.) A very

wise sommelier suggested to me that it might not be a

true sulfite 'allergy', as different varietals have

different levels of sulfites, tannins, and other

things, aqnd he suggested I try different

varietials/quality levels.

Bottom line - I can drink virtually any Pinot Noir

with no reaction, and selected brands of other

varieties. Generally, better-quality wines cause no

reaction, and I also tend to do better with French and

Italian imports. Other imports seem more

problematic...

It is an onging, and interesting, experiment!

>

> Mucous production from dry wine could be caused by

> the sulfites as

> opposed to the alcohol. Others with candida have no

> problem with

> alcohol.

>

> Duncan