Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 I would like to add to your post Asli. I've been taking these herbs for the past few days and am finding this topic particularly interesting. Apparently if one goes on this parasite cleanse referenced from curezone a person should stay on it for a full thirty days. The eggs from roundworms for example are very resilient to almost anything thrown at it. A dead round worm can have many eggs incubating only to hatch and start over if the protocol is stopped prematurely. Another comment is to keep extremely hydrated so the body can flush all the toxins, dying systemic Candida and even viruses are released by dying parasites. Apparently one in four people are infected with worms...Ascaris or roundworm being the worst. For most people they aren't prevalent enough to be pathogenic. If enough parasites are in the body they can inflame the colon and break into the body. Also there can be so many worms that an infamous worm ball can actually intermittently block the passage of foods. A possible connection to acid reflux? Round worms apparently need aeration for their eggs to develop properly so they make their way to the lungs. Once developed they make their way out of the lungs back into the GI track. Absolutely amazing and horrifying. An excellent reference to worms can be found here: http://pathmicro.med.sc.edu/parasitology/nematodes.htm and of course curezone. As a suggestion to someone curious if they have worms go for a stool sample. If yes go for the herbs Asli mentioned at curezone and also consider buying or building a zapper. http://curezone.com/clark/zapping.asp Willem Asli Kumcu wrote: > Dear Greg, > > My 2 cents -- Two things that have helped me with reflux (but mine was > cronic) > > 1 - Montingac diet, where you don't combine carbs and oil/fats/proteins in > the same meal. Carbs includes any grains, fruits, etc. I guess if you're > on a candida diet then this won't be a problem, but do try to eat the carbs > separately if you are eating them (i.e. couple of hours/before each other). > > 2 - A Parasite cleanse completely got rid of my reflux in 10 days after a > particularly bad bout of candida! http://curezone.com/clark/parasites.asp > > Have you been eliminating well? I've found that basically if your bowels > are full then reflux follows since the stomach contents don't have anywhere > to go. > > If you have had reflux for a long time, please go get an endoscopy!!! My > father passed from cancer because he had cronic reflux and never got it > checked out... > > > Re: inulin and sibo? > > > Well I test positive on the spit test and scored around a 180 on the > candida questionnaire. The diet and supplements have helped a good > deal with my allergies, hay fever, brain fog, and overall energy, but > the bloating and reflux seem to be unchanged which led us to believe > it could be SIBO, but I have not established that. I have been tested > for H. pylori and it was negative. I don't have ulcers or stomach > pain, just bloating and reflux, like there's a massive overproduction > of gas in the small intestine. I was thinking maybe I'll finish this > round of antibacterials and then start on the inulin again after > getting some numbers evened in the intestines. OR do you think the > inulin can only help? Is 30-40g daily too much? > > . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Hi Asli, I've had some success with diagnosis from stool samples...finding E. Histolica...a pathogenic amoeba. I've heard of a family visiting the tropics and developed digestive problems on the trip. All four of them received stool samples and nothing was found. The daughter who had it particularly bad was retested and then again. After the third scan she was diagnosed with round worms so the whole family went on meds to heal themself. One adult round worm can lay 200,000 eggs a day so apparently it is easy to find. But if they are laying them in the lungs how can this be? An alternative if one has the means to experiment would be to get a live blood cell scan to see if micro-organisms show up or a quantum xroid scan to frequency scan the body. My last lab work didn't come up with anything but I'm taking the parasite cleanse anyway. The cleanse unfortunately doesn't effect candida yet kills a whole range of worms. For the first five days I was really grumpy and headachy but am finding now that I have more energy and am eating less...as if I'm actually getting the food I'm ingesting. Willem > Regarding the stool test - I wanted to get it done because I was so sick > that I was not > able to work, but the naturpath i was going to at the time said that they > probably > wouldn't be able to detect anything, so I never got one done. Anyone have > any > success with these tests? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Helen The craziest expungement I've heard from this cleanse is thread worms coming out of someones eyes. EEK! It's been a week and still nothing this drastic yet...I've started zapping as well to work on candida and any others falling through the cracks. Willem Helen deHavilland wrote: > Willem > > I had all of this - the worms breaking through the colon is very true. And I wondered why (when I took a parasite cleanse) that dead thread worms emerged through the skin out of the lung area. Now I know. > > Cloves kills eggs quite effectively. I used a wonderful detoxer called 'pinnacle tonic' in Australia. GOD - you wouldn't believe what came out of me. I kept taking it for 4 months (I was taking it when a dozen fleshy things which matched up exactly to photos of tumours in medical text books were excreted). Although I can't seem to completely eliminate the worm problem, it's down to just about nothing. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I think the ascarids start in the lungs and burrow out to the intestine. They lay their eggs there and these are expelled in the stool to ground, where they lie until they are breathed into the next victim. Duncan > <willem432@...> wrote: > > One adult round worm can lay 200,000 eggs a day so apparently it is easy > to find. But if they are laying them in the lungs how can this be? An > alternative if one has the means to experiment would be to get a live > blood cell scan to see if micro-organisms show up or a quantum xroid > scan to frequency scan the body. > > My last lab work didn't come up with anything but I'm taking the > parasite cleanse anyway. The cleanse unfortunately doesn't effect > candida yet kills a whole range of worms. For the first five days I was > really grumpy and headachy but am finding now that I have more energy > and am eating less...as if I'm actually getting the food I'm ingesting. > > Willem > > > > > > Regarding the stool test - I wanted to get it done because I was so sick > > that I was not > > able to work, but the naturpath i was going to at the time said that they > > probably > > wouldn't be able to detect anything, so I never got one done. Anyone have > > any > > success with these tests? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 When you get a colonoscopy you drink that stuff to clean yourself out. Now if we have all this stuff in us wouldn't any of that show up there. I woke up during one of them for a minute and the screen shows healthy looking color . Randi > The craziest expungement I've heard from this cleanse is thread worms > coming out of someones eyes. EEK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 hey willem, just curious what source you are using for the black walnut hull tincture, cloves, and wormwood. thanks greg > Hi Asli, > > I've had some success with diagnosis from stool samples...finding E. > Histolica...a pathogenic amoeba. I've heard of a family visiting the > tropics and developed digestive problems on the trip. All four of them > received stool samples and nothing was found. The daughter who had it > particularly bad was retested and then again. After the third scan she > was diagnosed with round worms so the whole family went on meds to heal > themself. > > One adult round worm can lay 200,000 eggs a day so apparently it is easy > to find. But if they are laying them in the lungs how can this be? An > alternative if one has the means to experiment would be to get a live > blood cell scan to see if micro-organisms show up or a quantum xroid > scan to frequency scan the body. > > My last lab work didn't come up with anything but I'm taking the > parasite cleanse anyway. The cleanse unfortunately doesn't effect > candida yet kills a whole range of worms. For the first five days I was > really grumpy and headachy but am finding now that I have more energy > and am eating less...as if I'm actually getting the food I'm ingesting. > > Willem > > > > > > Regarding the stool test - I wanted to get it done because I was so sick > > that I was not > > able to work, but the naturpath i was going to at the time said that they > > probably > > wouldn't be able to detect anything, so I never got one done. Anyone have > > any > > success with these tests? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Here is where I buy all my stuff except what I have in my line. http://fruitfulyeild.com/ 1-800-469-5552 Ask for Mike...tell him NieeMA sent you. They will ship all over the world!!! dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother@...> wrote: hey willem, just curious what source you are using for the black walnut hull tincture, cloves, and wormwood. thanks greg > Hi Asli, > > I've had some success with diagnosis from stool samples...finding E. > Histolica...a pathogenic amoeba. I've heard of a family visiting the > tropics and developed digestive problems on the trip. All four of them > received stool samples and nothing was found. The daughter who had it > particularly bad was retested and then again. After the third scan she > was diagnosed with round worms so the whole family went on meds to heal > themself. > > One adult round worm can lay 200,000 eggs a day so apparently it is easy > to find. But if they are laying them in the lungs how can this be? An > alternative if one has the means to experiment would be to get a live > blood cell scan to see if micro-organisms show up or a quantum xroid > scan to frequency scan the body. > > My last lab work didn't come up with anything but I'm taking the > parasite cleanse anyway. The cleanse unfortunately doesn't effect > candida yet kills a whole range of worms. For the first five days I was > really grumpy and headachy but am finding now that I have more energy > and am eating less...as if I'm actually getting the food I'm ingesting. > > Willem > > > > > > Regarding the stool test - I wanted to get it done because I was so sick > > that I was not > > able to work, but the naturpath i was going to at the time said that they > > probably > > wouldn't be able to detect anything, so I never got one done. Anyone have > > any > > success with these tests? > > > PPD Push the Positive Daily! I hope you and yours are in the best of Health and Spirit. Our Health is Our Responsibility http://a-healing-village.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 My source is dutch company (since I live nearby) - and I they do deliver anywhere within the world.... site is in dutch unfortunately. better to go with Nieema's link if you live in the US! http://www.vitals.nl/producten.asp?IDProduct=210 I also read that you have to get the right kinds of wormwood and walnut tincture. they should be the following: Black walnut extract from the green husk (or something like that) - Juglans nigra Wormwood from Artemisia absinthium (note there are other kinds of artemisia, and wormwood refers to the other ones as well, so you have to get the absinthium kind) Happy cleansing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Willem, That's great to hear your success! I also had quite a few nights with insomnia and a worsening of the reflux and bloating, but after the 10th day, it was literally a miracle, and it all went away. My kinesiologist said that i had two kinds of candida (albicans and tropicalis), and after the parasite cleanse, the candida albicans had gone away... so i had thought that the parasite cleanse might have affected the candida as well, but it could just be that with the parasites gone, the gut could heal and naturally get rid of the candida? i wish i knew! asli On 12/14/06, willem <willem432@...> wrote: > My last lab work didn't come up with anything but I'm taking the > parasite cleanse anyway. The cleanse unfortunately doesn't effect > candida yet kills a whole range of worms. For the first five days I was > really grumpy and headachy but am finding now that I have more energy > and am eating less...as if I'm actually getting the food I'm ingesting. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 How did they determine the two types of candida? Which parasite cleanse did you use? Thanks, > > My kinesiologist said that i had two kinds of > candida (albicans and > tropicalis), and after the parasite cleanse, the > candida albicans had > gone away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Hi Greg The intro link to the cleanse is here http://curezone.com/diseases/parasites/parasitescleanse.asp I'm taking only powdered black walnut hulls so hopefully this comes close in its effectiveness. Herbs used: 50% Black Walnut powdered hull 25% clove powder 25% wormwood which I've ground to a fine powder in an old coffee grinder These herbs I'm getting in bulk from my health food store and making a few capsules each day. I've noticed these herbs are also in the Colonix Parasite Cleanse among others. Willem dreaminginnoother wrote: > hey willem, > > just curious what source you are using for the black walnut hull > tincture, cloves, and wormwood. thanks > > greg > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 I remember this company. People you will get a lot for the buck ordering this product...79 Euros into $ is not that much. $1.30 is what you pay today to get one Euro. If you do this, Paypal is good to use, no muss no fuss. Asli Kumcu <magnecho@...> wrote: My source is dutch company (since I live nearby) - and I they do deliver anywhere within the world.... site is in dutch unfortunately. better to go with Nieema's link if you live in the US! http://www.vitals.nl/producten.asp?IDProduct=210 I also read that you have to get the right kinds of wormwood and walnut tincture. they should be the following: Black walnut extract from the green husk (or something like that) - Juglans nigra Wormwood from Artemisia absinthium (note there are other kinds of artemisia, and wormwood refers to the other ones as well, so you have to get the absinthium kind) Happy cleansing! PPD Push the Positive Daily! I hope you and yours are in the best of Health and Spirit. Our Health is Our Responsibility http://a-healing-village.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 He used kinesiology to muscle test.. I used (more or less) the hulda clark recipe (see my other post) - wormwood, cloves, and walnut tincture. No fancy mixes or blends or anything. asli > Re: Re: parasite infection > > > How did they determine the two types of candida? > > Which parasite cleanse did you use? > > Thanks, > > > > > > My kinesiologist said that i had two kinds of > > candida (albicans and > > tropicalis), and after the parasite cleanse, the > > candida albicans had > > gone away... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Hi , Well, this is not all bad news as hookworm is easy to get rid of. I would not classify it as an infection but more as a parasite. I would guess that it is quite common as it is one of the parasites that pass from dogs to humans. While common, it can be serious. I hope this doesn't offend - I used to be a dog breeder and I used Safeguard (fenbendazole) for hookworms. I would treat once then again in 10 days. Two treatments is all it took for either adults or puppies. I would then follow up with probiotics. I had fat, chubby, healthy puppies in no time. I know humans are not canines - so please don't take offense but this drug is my only experience. As for harshness, my vet told me that I could give a 4 week old puppy the whole bottle of Safeguard and it would not harm him. I have taken it myself (I am not squeamish about taking dog medications as it is all the same chemical - usually!). The nice thing about fenbendazole is that is handles roundworms, hookworms and whipworms so you cover your bases as sometimes parasites can be hard to catch in a stool sample. Since I am not familiar with the two medications you mentioned (I have heard of them but not used them), I would think that they would do the same. So, I don't think it will be a severe stress to your liver as other drugs can be. I too have slow Phase II liver detoxification. The hookworm is doing more damage than the medication would - but we are all different so please follow your doctor's orders. I do not think that a healthy immune system would be able to overcome a hookworm infestation. Maybe if the gut ph was normal which of course ours usually isn't but it doesn't seem probable. It is a very hardy parasite and can cause ill health easily. But thankfully, can be easy to get rid of (again, in dogs, perhaps it is more difficult in humans but I don't think it would be) May I also suggest that your family pets and family are also treated so that there is no possibility of re-infestation. You may want to have a family dog tested for parasites - it can be done without an office visit and usually a reasonable cost ($15 in my area of Texas) - I just bring in a stool sample). http://www.safe-guard-for-dogs.com/intestinal-Hookworms.asp " Dog hookworm infections are zoonotic – and can therefore be transmitted to humans. Until recently, it was believed that canine hookworms did not pose a zoonotic threat to humans. There have, however, been confirmed cases of enteritis (inflammation of the small intestine) from hookworm infections in young children. " Hope that helps a little and I hope that doesn't offend. Marti > > hi all, >  > im not in good shape. 2mths of intermittent diareha and other gut issues. limited appetite for 2 mths and im aleady malnourished and thin to begin with. dr. diagnosed hookworm infection based on microscopic stool test done at a mainstream lab in canada. always hard to know if this is the exact cause of latest gut flare and in turn flaring many other fm and me/cfs  symptoms...ie. pain, fatigue. ect but would say odds are > 50% and why my dr. and me feel we should treat it.  i suppose a healthy immune system would be able to take care of this oppotunistic infection but mine is weak. my cd4 is 370 and I have low lympocyte count (lymphopenia) >  > dr. says take just 1 pill of 500mg of mebendazole. i have read some studies say albendazole is more effective but it is off label.  anyone treat a hookworm infection or other similar infection or take any of those 2 drugs.  I am quite sensitive to meds and have a weak liver (slow phase 2 )  and feel quinalones could have damaged my tendons in late 2004 and why i am more nervous than average person about drugs.  >  > did some quick research on the mebendazole and albendazole  and they seem safe from what i can gather (believe mebendazole has been around since the 1970's?)  and im also not taking that much but if anyone has any experience (good or bad) could you please let me know.    thanks ! >  > cheers > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now > http://ca.toolbar.. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Hi , sorry so long but hopefully helpful... To add to Marti's suggestion, the sub group Salt & C focuses on Lyme, but that protocol is what started purging my parasites. First I treated viruses, then the methylation cycle with the GD-MCB simplified protocol and finally Lyme. Salt & C was the core of my Lyme treatment. After about 6 weeks of slow increases of pure sea salt and calcium ascorbate in water or tomato juice throughout the day, I increased my daily dose from around 12 grams each to 20 grams or so. That's when the parasites started flying out in my stool and skin. I found at least 10 visible variants in my stool, the only colonies I could identify were flukes. After a few months at that dose, they stopped appearing so I scaled back to a maintenance dose of 7 to 12 grams of salt & c a day. As the group advised, I did see an elevation in blood pressure during that treatment, but my blood pressure normalized after about 6 months, which is typical on the protocol. Someone mentioned the salt is cleansing the arteries and when it's done, the blood pressure regulates. Somewhere during that time I added a few tablespoons of cayenne (1st @ 30k btu then 120k btu) to the mix and noticed an increase in parasite expulsions. I maintain at 1 tbsp of cayenne and 1 tbsp of paprika daily to suppress any remaining parasites and any new passengers I might pick up. I must have had a few thousand mosquito and flea bites this summer, along with 2 more tick bites, but the maintenance dose prevented any noticeable proliferation or infection. Prior to starting on salt & c, I had been on 35 cycles of antibiotics in 18 months to keep away pneumonia. Since gaining momentum with the salt & c I have been on zero antibiotics in 10 months and the Lyme week every month isn't noticeable anymore. Also, getting the body hot, over 101.5 kills borrelia and probably a lot more. I just worked out in the yard, as a I could, then my neighbors yards an on until I could get on a bike and then eventually in the gym. 5 days a week seemed like the magic number for me to keep balance. Here's the part I'm sure will get some laughs, whatever. If you suddenly crave sweets during a full moon, you likely have parasites, they want their food & to get frisky. I don't care if you're in a developed country, the critters are everywhere. For me it would start when the moon hit 80-90% full and continue until the day after lunar peak. Another member here noted watching babesia under a microscope become very active during a full moon. I assume this: Many organisms have a monthly replication cycle. Some organisms have a replication cycle that fluctuates with their environment, other's cycles revolve around their host. Some host-dependent organisms have a replication cycle independent of their host, some of which seem to replicate during peak lunar phases. The Vietnamese's 2nd most important holiday is during the 5th lunar peak. It's a festival called Doan Ngo which translates roughly to " Parasite Killing " . The link in the last sentence has some recipes they eat to whoop some parasites, fruits and corn stuff. Personally, I try to avoid all carbs during the 3-5 peak lunar days every month. When my back blew in Nov., I fell off my supplement maintenance schedule, wound up on 4 immune suppressing Rx meds and started feeling all the infections come back. At the end of November, during the lunar peak week, I went nuts for ice cream and cookies. I checked here, saw the moon was near full and ate the garbage anyways. Through December I started addressing the infections. First I ramped up on salt & c, and hot red peppers. Then I started brewing cut sweet wormwood in the coffee pot (no filter, cut pot off and on 3 times during brew) and drank it fresh four times a day. Then I added a ParaCleanse, mostly because GNC gave me 1/2 off because they're discontinuing it. It has an AM cleanser and a PM probiotic pack. Not sure if it's worth a darn, but I was able to cut back on the disgusting wormwood juice without regression. Something in that mix finally pulled out some pinworms as well, which I hadn't noticed before. There were some other treatments, but focusing on parasites, I hardly noticed a sweet craving during this last full moon. I feel bad for you , I know this is painful and disgusting to go through. Do what you can to keep comfortable while you go through this, start slow but push yourself as you can, hopefully it'll be better soon. If you start seeing viral flares, gradually introducing lysine and inosine may be helpful to keep viruses from worsening matters. Lemon in water & Benadryl helped me through the die off. Showering right after waking was very helpful also, to clean off loose critters and toxins (use fresh towel every time if possible). A tbsp of 1st pressed extra virgin olive oil first thing in the morning is usually an anti-herx remedy also, BUT it may coat some of the parasites and prevent the treatments from reaching them. If possible during this, get disposable enemas from walgreens (3 for $3) to use as you feel needed. Kefir from the health food or grocery store, drunk between treatments may help you stay a little stronger as well. Lastly, but not of least importance, Sam's club has the best deal on good toilet paper with their store brand. Huge twin-pack peroxide bottles are cheap there too, they were helpful to keep tidy. Having a local health food store that sells most of what I take in bulk was very helpful to me. Pure sea salt & calcium ascorbate run me less than $15 a month this way. The other herbs and such run about $10 a month. Although, sometimes questionable quality, walmart suffices for another bit I take. Of course, if your up for some punishment, run all this by your doctor first. Personally, I'd rather see Marti's vet. The best thing that happened to me was the Doctors taking my last dollar, because when I had to start treating myself is when I really started healing. Good Luck, R From: marti_zavala Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: Re: parasite infection Hi , Well, this is not all bad news as hookworm is easy to get rid of. I would not classify it as an infection but more as a parasite. I would guess that it is quite common as it is one of the parasites that pass from dogs to humans. While common, it can be serious. I hope this doesn't offend - I used to be a dog breeder and I used Safeguard (fenbendazole) for hookworms. I would treat once then again in 10 days. Two treatments is all it took for either adults or puppies. I would then follow up with probiotics. I had fat, chubby, healthy puppies in no time. I know humans are not canines - so please don't take offense but this drug is my only experience. As for harshness, my vet told me that I could give a 4 week old puppy the whole bottle of Safeguard and it would not harm him. I have taken it myself (I am not squeamish about taking dog medications as it is all the same chemical - usually!). The nice thing about fenbendazole is that is handles roundworms, hookworms and whipworms so you cover your bases as sometimes parasites can be hard to catch in a stool sample. Since I am not familiar with the two medications you mentioned (I have heard of them but not used them), I would think that they would do the same. So, I don't think it will be a severe stress to your liver as other drugs can be. I too have slow Phase II liver detoxification. The hookworm is doing more damage than the medication would - but we are all different so please follow your doctor's orders. I do not think that a healthy immune system would be able to overcome a hookworm infestation. Maybe if the gut ph was normal which of course ours usually isn't but it doesn't seem probable. It is a very hardy parasite and can cause ill health easily. But thankfully, can be easy to get rid of (again, in dogs, perhaps it is more difficult in humans but I don't think it would be) May I also suggest that your family pets and family are also treated so that there is no possibility of re-infestation. You may want to have a family dog tested for parasites - it can be done without an office visit and usually a reasonable cost ($15 in my area of Texas) - I just bring in a stool sample). http://www.safe-guard-for-dogs.com/intestinal-Hookworms.asp " Dog hookworm infections are zoonotic - and can therefore be transmitted to humans. Until recently, it was believed that canine hookworms did not pose a zoonotic threat to humans. There have, however, been confirmed cases of enteritis (inflammation of the small intestine) from hookworm infections in young children. " Hope that helps a little and I hope that doesn't offend. Marti > > hi all, > > im not in good shape. 2mths of intermittent diareha and other gut issues. limited appetite for 2 mths and im aleady malnourished and thin to begin with. dr. diagnosed hookworm infection based on microscopic stool test done at a mainstream lab in canada. always hard to know if this is the exact cause of latest gut flare and in turn flaring many other fm and me/cfs symptoms...ie. pain, fatigue. ect but would say odds are > 50% and why my dr. and me feel we should treat it. i suppose a healthy immune system would be able to take care of this oppotunistic infection but mine is weak. my cd4 is 370 and I have low lympocyte count (lymphopenia) > > dr. says take just 1 pill of 500mg of mebendazole. i have read some studies say albendazole is more effective but it is off label. anyone treat a hookworm infection or other similar infection or take any of those 2 drugs. I am quite sensitive to meds and have a weak liver (slow phase 2 ) and feel quinalones could have damaged my tendons in late 2004 and why i am more nervous than average person about drugs. > > did some quick research on the mebendazole and albendazole and they seem safe from what i can gather (believe mebendazole has been around since the 1970's?) and im also not taking that much but if anyone has any experience (good or bad) could you please let me know. thanks ! > > cheers > > > __________________________________________________________ > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now > http://ca.toolbar.. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 .. , Agh, none of the links seem to be showing up in my posts so here they are from the last one on parasites. Salt & C Group: Salt-n-C Doan Ngo (Vietnamese Parasite Killing Festival): http://www.vietnam-beauty.com/vietnamese-culture/festivals-and-ceremonies/15-fes\ tivals-and-ceremonies/95-doan-ngo-festival-tt-oan-ng.html Lunar Calendar: http://www.almanac.com/moon/calendar/NH/Dublin/2010-01 That's it, R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Hi , This is a post worth keeping. You have really done a thorough job of hitting the parasites from various angles. Very impressive. I will definitely keep that in my file of favorite posts. I, too, have done ParaCleanse from Natures Sunshine. I tried to do it twice a year when I had money. Wormwood is another good one. After parasites have been purged, daily raw pumpkin seeds is said to repel any newly ingested parasites. I also agree that even healthy people have infestations. I know a doctor who worked for World Health Organization and people in third world countries regularly use natural methods of parasite expulsion and may actually be " cleaner " than folks in the U.S. I wonder what folks in Europe do. I totally see how that is possible as you cannot even get a mainstream doc to run a stool sample or pursue parasites. Some missionary friends of mine have told me that in Romania, you just walked up to the pharmacy and said " worms " and they gave you the medication (you still had to purchase them but no prescription or doctors visit was needed). Personally, while I have employed various methods (not nearly as comprehensive as you, though), it just seems easier to use the medications. The pinworm medication that I used on my dogs was a human medication (bottle and dosing was for children and adults). That was called pyrantel pamoate and this can be purchased at Walmart as a puppy wormer. Tastes fine but it only does pinworms. Safeguard can be purchased without a prescription or a vet visit as well. Small bottles can be purchased at feed stores as a goat wormer). Of course, as a breeder, I purchased 1 liter bottles (labeled as cattle wormer). Of course, the companies do not want you using this on yourself but I don't follow rules much. Plus, like you, when I was out of money, I had to do what I could to get well. That was my solution. I will probably get hit with people stating that I am irresponsible for suggesting this but it is what I have done to maintain my health. There are also ways to purchase antibiotics without a prescription which I have done. This included metrodiazanole (mispelled, I'm sure) which SAVED my hide when I got food poisoning. Saved me a trip to ER and a stay in a hospital (possibly). I have also learned alot about health issues by reading dog medical books. It seems that vets are taught real medicine and you don't get the boxed in mainstream viewpoint (paid for by big pharma). Really amazing. Anyway, it just seems cheaper and faster and less painful to use medications as your process seems exhausting. I am curious about your thoughts. Maybe a two prong approach? Curious. I am usually more pro-natural but in a couple of areas, medications seems either more cost efficient or more user friendly. I have expelled worms from using ParaCleanse but never noticed any severe die-off from either the natural method or medications. The only thing I had trouble with was the cascara sagrada that is in some parasite cleanses. At times, these are too harsh on me and cause too much cramping. I have also heard of the parasite activity/moon phase and it makes sense to me. Sounds odd at first but other organisms including humans are affected by moon phases and barometric changes, so I am glad you included that info. Marti > > > > hi all, > > > > im not in good shape. 2mths of intermittent diareha and other gut issues. limited appetite for 2 mths and im aleady malnourished and thin to begin with. dr. diagnosed hookworm infection based on microscopic stool test done at a mainstream lab in canada. always hard to know if this is the exact cause of latest gut flare and in turn flaring many other fm and me/cfs symptoms...ie. pain, fatigue. ect but would say odds are > 50% and why my dr. and me feel we should treat it. i suppose a healthy immune system would be able to take care of this oppotunistic infection but mine is weak. my cd4 is 370 and I have low lympocyte count (lymphopenia) > > > > dr. says take just 1 pill of 500mg of mebendazole. i have read some studies say albendazole is more effective but it is off label. anyone treat a hookworm infection or other similar infection or take any of those 2 drugs. I am quite sensitive to meds and have a weak liver (slow phase 2 ) and feel quinalones could have damaged my tendons in late 2004 and why i am more nervous than average person about drugs. > > > > did some quick research on the mebendazole and albendazole and they seem safe from what i can gather (believe mebendazole has been around since the 1970's?) and im also not taking that much but if anyone has any experience (good or bad) could you please let me know. thanks ! > > > > cheers > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now > > http://ca.toolbar.. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 So what do people in third world countries do for parasites ? Thanks S On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:03 AM, marti_zavala wrote: > > Hi , > This is a post worth keeping. You have really done a thorough job of > hitting the parasites from various angles. Very impressive. I will > definitely keep that in my file of favorite posts. > > I, too, have done ParaCleanse from Natures Sunshine. I tried to do > it twice a year when I had money. Wormwood is another good one. > After parasites have been purged, daily raw pumpkin seeds is said to > repel any newly ingested parasites. > > I also agree that even healthy people have infestations. I know a > doctor who worked for World Health Organization and people in third > world countries regularly use natural methods of parasite expulsion > and may actually be " cleaner " than folks in the U.S. I wonder what > folks in Europe do. I totally see how that is possible as you cannot > even get a mainstream doc to run a stool sample or pursue parasites. > Some missionary friends of mine have told me that in Romania, you > just walked up to the pharmacy and said " worms " and they gave you > the medication (you still had to purchase them but no prescription > or doctors visit was needed). > > Personally, while I have employed various methods (not nearly as > comprehensive as you, though), it just seems easier to use the > medications. > > The pinworm medication that I used on my dogs was a human medication > (bottle and dosing was for children and adults). That was called > pyrantel pamoate and this can be purchased at Walmart as a puppy > wormer. Tastes fine but it only does pinworms. > > Safeguard can be purchased without a prescription or a vet visit as > well. Small bottles can be purchased at feed stores as a goat > wormer). Of course, as a breeder, I purchased 1 liter bottles > (labeled as cattle wormer). Of course, the companies do not want you > using this on yourself but I don't follow rules much. Plus, like > you, when I was out of money, I had to do what I could to get well. > That was my solution. I will probably get hit with people stating > that I am irresponsible for suggesting this but it is what I have > done to maintain my health. > > There are also ways to purchase antibiotics without a prescription > which I have done. This included metrodiazanole (mispelled, I'm > sure) which SAVED my hide when I got food poisoning. Saved me a trip > to ER and a stay in a hospital (possibly). > > I have also learned alot about health issues by reading dog medical > books. It seems that vets are taught real medicine and you don't get > the boxed in mainstream viewpoint (paid for by big pharma). Really > amazing. > > Anyway, it just seems cheaper and faster and less painful to use > medications as your process seems exhausting. I am curious about > your thoughts. Maybe a two prong approach? Curious. I am usually > more pro-natural but in a couple of areas, medications seems either > more cost efficient or more user friendly. I have expelled worms > from using ParaCleanse but never noticed any severe die-off from > either the natural method or medications. The only thing I had > trouble with was the cascara sagrada that is in some parasite > cleanses. At times, these are too harsh on me and cause too much > cramping. > > I have also heard of the parasite activity/moon phase and it makes > sense to me. Sounds odd at first but other organisms including > humans are affected by moon phases and barometric changes, so I am > glad you included that info. > > Marti > > > > > > > > hi all, > > > > > > im not in good shape. 2mths of intermittent diareha and other > gut issues. limited appetite for 2 mths and im aleady malnourished > and thin to begin with. dr. diagnosed hookworm infection based on > microscopic stool test done at a mainstream lab in canada. always > hard to know if this is the exact cause of latest gut flare and in > turn flaring many other fm and me/cfs symptoms...ie. pain, fatigue. > ect but would say odds are > 50% and why my dr. and me feel we > should treat it. i suppose a healthy immune system would be able to > take care of this oppotunistic infection but mine is weak. my cd4 is > 370 and I have low lympocyte count (lymphopenia) > > > > > > dr. says take just 1 pill of 500mg of mebendazole. i have read > some studies say albendazole is more effective but it is off label. > anyone treat a hookworm infection or other similar infection or take > any of those 2 drugs. I am quite sensitive to meds and have a weak > liver (slow phase 2 ) and feel quinalones could have damaged my > tendons in late 2004 and why i am more nervous than average person > about drugs. > > > > > > did some quick research on the mebendazole and albendazole and > they seem safe from what i can gather (believe mebendazole has been > around since the 1970's?) and im also not taking that much but if > anyone has any experience (good or bad) could you please let me > know. thanks ! > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and > bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now > > > http://ca.toolbar.. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Hi Marti, Steve, , , if I were in your shoes I'd probably go with the doctor and meds, it's just easier and seemingly worth the shot. My post was intended to focus on our ongoing self-care and maintenance as a supplement to medical treatment. Mostly. Steve, the protocol in the Salt C forum under the CFSMExperimental homepage uses equal amounts of salt and c. So if you start at a gram of salt a day, take a gram of c, then work up as tolerable. Some take a very long time, 6 months or more to reach an effective dose because they go slow every time they herx. As the wise man says (unquoted Rich-ism), the rate limiter of progress is one's capacity to handle detox. Same goes for die-off/herxing I suppose, but they're really hand-in-hand. Hope you've been well and maybe got your new start. Marti, thanks. I have my concerns about posting possibly irresponsibly/honestly, but felt it should be shared. We all must be responsible for ourselves, do our own research, make our own educated decisions and so on. I think we've both posted on this before, about how when someone is so sick and can't put forth the effort to be prudent, they'll try anything that sounds good. To that effect, ***Nothing posted in these forums is intended nor should be construed as medical advise. You should consult your physician before attempting anything concerning your health**** I feel fluffy and lighter. I spared some other tricks I learned about keeping the house, bedding and such clean... For brevity and weak stomachs I'll claim. Some of these are extremely important to prevent reinfestation or sharing, so if someone is not sure if being careful enough during a purge, please read up in the parasite forums. The pinworm is especially tricky/sticky in it's preservation tactics and needs special care as well. Also, pimples during treatment aren't always pimples as much as they are exit wounds. I'm in agreement that developed countries with difficult health care systems may have higher infestation rates. Especially since we moved off the farms and out of the country; became dependent on Rx for living and such. I think we've gradually gotten away from some simple things that work, like salt and iodine, probably the pumpkin seeds you mention too. One bad study reports harmful effects and the rest cite it, as was the case with iodine at least ( http://www.mbschachter.com/iodine.htm ) Not sure how salt got such a bad rap. I'm sure plenty of text-book bound folks will have opinions on the matter. I had suspicions, but really had no confirmation I had parasites. I'd sought testing for months to no avail, guess I was too busy getting my refills of abx. When the salt/c caused the mass parasite exodus, I captured a few and bottled them to take to an open minded doctor for identification and Rx treatment. I did find the doctor and got her orders and kits, but had to cancel my insurance before submitting the samples. I would have then and still would try the prescription dewormers. #1 is getting a job, which will hopefully pick up soon now the holidays are over. Once back on insurance I'll get a stool test done. I think I'll try a parasite cleaner for a few days before the test to pull them out. 2 abx are often used to pull Lyme out to show positive in tests, so I'm thinking this might bring more conclusive results for parasites as well. If/when/then it comes back positive, I'll try the Rx meds, but in the meantime, my focus is suppression. I figure I'll never purge every worm, nor will I kill all the Lyme. I may never be able to prevent viral replication very well and my detox limitations will always be a threat to methionine synthase slowdown and the tedious restarts. I suppose I agree with Cheney that were only 10% human, or at least that we always are evolving to survive. I'll never be as I was born, nor will I be the same person tomorrow, so trying to reach this ideal of perfect health, 100% recovery seems unrealistic, to me personally. Well, off my rant, lest the post be butchered, best wishes to You and Your's, R -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marti_zavala Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:03 AM Subject: Re: parasite infection Hi , This is a post worth keeping. You have really done a thorough job of hitting the parasites from various angles. Very impressive. I will definitely keep that in my file of favorite posts. I, too, have done ParaCleanse from Natures Sunshine. I tried to do it twice a year when I had money. Wormwood is another good one. After parasites have been purged, daily raw pumpkin seeds is said to repel any newly ingested parasites. I also agree that even healthy people have infestations. I know a doctor who worked for World Health Organization and people in third world countries regularly use natural methods of parasite expulsion and may actually be " cleaner " than folks in the U.S. I wonder what folks in Europe do. I totally see how that is possible as you cannot even get a mainstream doc to run a stool sample or pursue parasites. Some missionary friends of mine have told me that in Romania, you just walked up to the pharmacy and said " worms " and they gave you the medication (you still had to purchase them but no prescription or doctors visit was needed). Personally, while I have employed various methods (not nearly as comprehensive as you, though), it just seems easier to use the medications. The pinworm medication that I used on my dogs was a human medication (bottle and dosing was for children and adults). That was called pyrantel pamoate and this can be purchased at Walmart as a puppy wormer. Tastes fine but it only does pinworms. Safeguard can be purchased without a prescription or a vet visit as well. Small bottles can be purchased at feed stores as a goat wormer). Of course, as a breeder, I purchased 1 liter bottles (labeled as cattle wormer). Of course, the companies do not want you using this on yourself but I don't follow rules much. Plus, like you, when I was out of money, I had to do what I could to get well. That was my solution. I will probably get hit with people stating that I am irresponsible for suggesting this but it is what I have done to maintain my health. There are also ways to purchase antibiotics without a prescription which I have done. This included metrodiazanole (mispelled, I'm sure) which SAVED my hide when I got food poisoning. Saved me a trip to ER and a stay in a hospital (possibly). I have also learned alot about health issues by reading dog medical books. It seems that vets are taught real medicine and you don't get the boxed in mainstream viewpoint (paid for by big pharma). Really amazing. Anyway, it just seems cheaper and faster and less painful to use medications as your process seems exhausting. I am curious about your thoughts. Maybe a two prong approach? Curious. I am usually more pro-natural but in a couple of areas, medications seems either more cost efficient or more user friendly. I have expelled worms from using ParaCleanse but never noticed any severe die-off from either the natural method or medications. The only thing I had trouble with was the cascara sagrada that is in some parasite cleanses. At times, these are too harsh on me and cause too much cramping. I have also heard of the parasite activity/moon phase and it makes sense to me. Sounds odd at first but other organisms including humans are affected by moon phases and barometric changes, so I am glad you included that info. Marti - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Hi Marti and , Both of your posts are very helpful. Someone on curezone reported improvement in symptomsafter using pharmaceuticals for parasites. I was wondering if either of you saw symptom improvement after treating parasites. > > > > > > hi all, > > > > > > im not in good shape. 2mths of intermittent diareha and other gut issues. limited appetite for 2 mths and im aleady malnourished and thin to begin with. dr. diagnosed hookworm infection based on microscopic stool test done at a mainstream lab in canada. always hard to know if this is the exact cause of latest gut flare and in turn flaring many other fm and me/cfs symptoms...ie. pain, fatigue. ect but would say odds are > 50% and why my dr. and me feel we should treat it. i suppose a healthy immune system would be able to take care of this oppotunistic infection but mine is weak. my cd4 is 370 and I have low lympocyte count (lymphopenia) > > > > > > dr. says take just 1 pill of 500mg of mebendazole. i have read some studies say albendazole is more effective but it is off label. anyone treat a hookworm infection or other similar infection or take any of those 2 drugs. I am quite sensitive to meds and have a weak liver (slow phase 2 ) and feel quinalones could have damaged my tendons in late 2004 and why i am more nervous than average person about drugs. > > > > > > did some quick research on the mebendazole and albendazole and they seem safe from what i can gather (believe mebendazole has been around since the 1970's?) and im also not taking that much but if anyone has any experience (good or bad) could you please let me know. thanks ! > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now > > > http://ca.toolbar.. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Hi Mersan1998 & , ~~~Mersan, Treating the parasites was the near the end of an aggressive overall treatment process, covering detox, viruses, the methylation cycle, fungus, Lyme and maybe some unknown infections. Prior to the parasite purging I was already physically active again, cognitive and memory function were improving, endurance, sleep and many others had improved. The parasite treatments were initially targeted at Lyme and unknown bacteria, the parasite's exodus was a bonus. It's hard for me to say what specific improvements I made after suppressing the parasites. I'm assuming that most of the gastrointestinal issues I had prior were related to them, but it's hard to say for sure. All I can say for certain is that parasites need nourishment, which they get from us thus taking away from our body's own needs. Also, they create a lot of toxins which are difficult for anyone to get rid of, let alone the chronically ill. Sorry to be vague, but all I can say is the less critters the better. ~~~, You're very welcome and in a weird way, it's an honor to be placed in your parasite folder, especially alongside Marti for whom I highly respect. If there is a parasite directly involved with your hand and the treatment you take is targeted at that critter, you will likely feel twitching at the site when you treat it. The twitching may from be brief to days, intermittent or constant. Some just give up easier than others. I had one by my interior femur just above then knee that twitched for days at a time with hardly a break. It'd calm down but then start up again a week later. I tried every anti spasm supplement to make sure it wasn't muscular, but that never stopped the critter from twitching. I'm assuming it made it's way out finally as I haven't noticed it for 5 months. Another possible sign is if a huge zit shows up at the site and the pain resolves. Outside of that, it's hard to say if it's related. So many of the deficiencies and toxins effect us wide spread that the everything suffers. I hope the treatment gives you some relief. Let us know how it goes. Warm Regards, R Re: Re: parasite infection - Marti/ thanks soo much Marti and for your posts. I will file them away in my parasite folder. in last few weeks my thumb and index finger tendons/muscles are painful and this is a new symptom for me (pain in other typical fm areas like back and shoulders but never fingers and palm). This is quite concerning to me as we do so much with our hands and fingers. I will take the med for hookworms tonight. your right marti, the med is not that potent, i guess im just extra careful /sensitive now with the possibly quinalone reaction. I wonder if the hookworms are causing my finger tendon weakness/pain. intermittent diareha and intermittent stomach pain started in mid october and progressed and then Xmas eve I was really bad. fever, fibro pain flared really bad is it always does with a fever, very weak, could hardly walk and thought i was going to pass out and why i got my wife to call 911. came on quick and then left after 1-2 days. not sure if this was the hookworms or food poisoning or other (stomach virus) . my diareha and energy are bit better since then, but now this new symtpom of finger and thumb pain right at the joint. metaphalageal joint (first main joint of index finger) is quite stiff, no swelling. anyway, i really hope once I take med and hookworms are gone, maybe I will feel better (including this finger and thumb pain). Geez, these illnesses (fm and me/cfs ) really play with your mind as things seem to be always changing and new symptoms coming along. I have been always strong minded but i admit this latest finger pain is really got me scared. I am only 39 and my wife is 3 mths pregnant and I am already disabled by fatigue and other symptoms but I without use of fingers, there is even so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I have a question about parasites for you guys was embarrassed to ask anywhere before but just read this thread and this seems like the place---I had never been one to suspect parasites in myself and I think the diagnostics test I took didnt show much in that regard either earlier this year but did show dysbiosis but anyway I had a dog die in Aug of lymphoma but it was mostly in her back end poor thing and it looked nasty, she used to lie out in the back in the dirt towards the end and I wouldnt be surprised if some sort of bugs got in her as it was like a gaping wound, around the time she died I became constipated and I have never had a signif problem with that over the years but its continued and I cant figure out why and I wondered if I could have gotten something from her as she liked to sleep in my bathroom floor and I thought I started to notice what looked like could be small translucent flukelike things from me around time I was experimenting with wormwood...my doc is open minded and tested me and came up with nothing and I havent noticed anything strange looking lately but still the constip.....is constip ever a sign of parasites? I thought I read too that there are only tests for a couple types of worms but there are many more so I wondered if lab test would nec. find it. But its notlike I am losing weight by any means if I do have something, I have actually put on a little weight the last couple years and am if anything sort of bloated in the gut..... gross....but curious > > > > hi all, > > > > im not in good shape. 2mths of intermittent diareha and other gut issues. limited appetite for 2 mths and im aleady malnourished and thin to begin with. dr. diagnosed hookworm infection based on microscopic stool test done at a mainstream lab in canada. always hard to know if this is the exact cause of latest gut flare and in turn flaring many other fm and me/cfs symptoms...ie. pain, fatigue. ect but would say odds are > 50% and why my dr. and me feel we should treat it. i suppose a healthy immune system would be able to take care of this oppotunistic infection but mine is weak. my cd4 is 370 and I have low lympocyte count (lymphopenia) > > > > dr. says take just 1 pill of 500mg of mebendazole. i have read some studies say albendazole is more effective but it is off label. anyone treat a hookworm infection or other similar infection or take any of those 2 drugs. I am quite sensitive to meds and have a weak liver (slow phase 2 ) and feel quinalones could have damaged my tendons in late 2004 and why i am more nervous than average person about drugs. > > > > did some quick research on the mebendazole and albendazole and they seem safe from what i can gather (believe mebendazole has been around since the 1970's?) and im also not taking that much but if anyone has any experience (good or bad) could you please let me know. thanks ! > > > > cheers > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now > > http://ca.toolbar.. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hi Kim, Googled " parasites constipation " and found it as a well documented symptom. I went through periods of decreased bowel movements and mild weight gain, but I suspected that was toxins storing, because as I detoxed, the weight came back down. It was likely related to the additional toxins from the parasites, or intestinal infection from them. As the weight fluctuation stopped after the parasite purging, as did cramping, malabsorption, gas and probably a few I'm forgetting. A little extra virgin first press olive oil, first thing in the morning will usually get things moving. It's taken me from 1 tbsp to 1/2 a cup at times. I'm concerned about that approach because I don't know the effect on parasites, whether it protects them, annihilates them or doesn't make a difference. Another option to reduce treat constipation is high doses of C. Especially absorbic acid gets things moving, but calcium ascorbate does as well. When needed, I would take a fair amount at once, 10 to 30 grams of powder in water at a time on an empty stomach. Within 2 hours I would be nice and clean. Doing this may cause herxing so following with mild detox and probiotics can be helpful. Both forms of C can be bought cheaply in bulk at some health food stores. Vitamin Shoppe has both at a reasonable price, $10 - $25. I mention places you can run out and grab stuff at, but of course you can get it all online if your willing to wait. I've tried this with C pills but it was never as effective as with the C powder. Salt water flushes followed with probiotics are a good overall anti-infectious/gi health treatment. I can't remember the salt to water ratio and which side your supposed to lay on afterwards offhand. Strange because I must have done 20 of them. If I find my info on that I'll post it. The important point of the salt to water ratio is to get it the same as plasma, so it flows through the kidneys easily. You may want to hold off on these until your flowing a little more easily, as the bloating could be painful if it doesn't push through. Personally, I'd start with the high C doses. Reason for the above is I personally think an anti-parasitic treatment would be more effective once you've removed some of the stagnant debri from your gi tract. Ask your doc about gi flushing then parasite treating then testing again. That order might show them up a little better. The treatment I initially did brought out very bizarre parasites after months, point is, it took constant treatment to finally bring them out. Dr. T. is pretty persistent that not many labs are suitable for parasite testing, that comes from his own personal experience of trying to test stool for parasites and his patients results from other labs. To focus on identifying them, you may want to go straight to a good lab out of pocket once they've started purging, if that's the case for you. Otherwise, start cheap, whatever lab your insurance covers and go from there. Best of luck to you and hope this helps, R From: Kim Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:12 AM Subject: Re: parasite infection I have a question about parasites for you guys was embarrassed to ask anywhere before but just read this thread and this seems like the place---I had never been one to suspect parasites in myself and I think the diagnostics test I took didnt show much in that regard either earlier this year but did show dysbiosis but anyway I had a dog die in Aug of lymphoma but it was mostly in her back end poor thing and it looked nasty, she used to lie out in the back in the dirt towards the end and I wouldnt be surprised if some sort of bugs got in her as it was like a gaping wound, around the time she died I became constipated and I have never had a signif problem with that over the years but its continued and I cant figure out why and I wondered if I could have gotten something from her as she liked to sleep in my bathroom floor and I thought I started to notice what looked like could be small translucent flukelike things from me around time I was experimenting with wormwood...my doc is open minded and tested me and came up with nothing and I havent noticed anything strange looking lately but still the constip.....is constip ever a sign of parasites? I thought I read too that there are only tests for a couple types of worms but there are many more so I wondered if lab test would nec. find it. But its notlike I am losing weight by any means if I do have something, I have actually put on a little weight the last couple years and am if anything sort of bloated in the gut..... gross....but curious > > > > hi all, > > > > im not in good shape. 2mths of intermittent diareha and other gut issues. limited appetite for 2 mths and im aleady malnourished and thin to begin with. dr. diagnosed hookworm infection based on microscopic stool test done at a mainstream lab in canada. always hard to know if this is the exact cause of latest gut flare and in turn flaring many other fm and me/cfs symptoms...ie. pain, fatigue. ect but would say odds are > 50% and why my dr. and me feel we should treat it. i suppose a healthy immune system would be able to take care of this oppotunistic infection but mine is weak. my cd4 is 370 and I have low lympocyte count (lymphopenia) > > > > dr. says take just 1 pill of 500mg of mebendazole. i have read some studies say albendazole is more effective but it is off label. anyone treat a hookworm infection or other similar infection or take any of those 2 drugs. I am quite sensitive to meds and have a weak liver (slow phase 2 ) and feel quinalones could have damaged my tendons in late 2004 and why i am more nervous than average person about drugs. > > > > did some quick research on the mebendazole and albendazole and they seem safe from what i can gather (believe mebendazole has been around since the 1970's?) and im also not taking that much but if anyone has any experience (good or bad) could you please let me know. thanks ! > > > > cheers > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now > > http://ca.toolbar.. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 hi Kim, I'm an " expert " on constipation etc. you could say (severe IBS). The vitamin C is a good tip, but what surprisingly helped me even more was MagnesiumOxide. I initially took it for muscle cramps and pains but after a while I noticed the frequent painful bowel-episodes didn't happen anymore (!). For the first time in 15 years no more 3-day-swollen-belly and extreme pain from bowels to back. No more having to go lay down in the car while friends were still eating their dinner in a restaurant. It didn't help the muscle cramps in my legs, shoulder, neck etc. but it does seem to relax my bowels in a good way. I tested if it was really the MagnesiumOxide that was helping me so much with this. And yes, when I stopped taking it, after two days I was back to square one. So I'm really really sure about this. I take the chewable form of MagnesiumOxide. It's 450mg per tablet. The normal tablets (non-chewable filmtablets) do not work for me (!). Think I have trouble digesting them. That's why I only use capsules or chewable supplements. Hope this works for you too. Wished somebody would have told me this 19 years ago. Els > > Hi Kim, > > Googled " parasites constipation " and found it as a well documented symptom. I went through periods of decreased bowel movements and mild weight gain, but I suspected that was toxins storing, because as I detoxed, the weight came back down. It was likely related to the additional toxins from the parasites, or intestinal infection from them. As the weight fluctuation stopped after the parasite purging, as did cramping, malabsorption, gas and probably a few I'm forgetting. > > A little extra virgin first press olive oil, first thing in the morning will usually get things moving. It's taken me from 1 tbsp to 1/2 a cup at times. I'm concerned about that approach because I don't know the effect on parasites, whether it protects them, annihilates them or doesn't make a difference. > > Another option to reduce treat constipation is high doses of C. Especially absorbic acid gets things moving, but calcium ascorbate does as well. When needed, I would take a fair amount at once, 10 to 30 grams of powder in water at a time on an empty stomach. Within 2 hours I would be nice and clean. Doing this may cause herxing so following with mild detox and probiotics can be helpful. Both forms of C can be bought cheaply in bulk at some health food stores. Vitamin Shoppe has both at a reasonable price, $10 - $25. I mention places you can run out and grab stuff at, but of course you can get it all online if your willing to wait. I've tried this with C pills but it was never as effective as with the C powder. > > Salt water flushes followed with probiotics are a good overall anti-infectious/gi health treatment. I can't remember the salt to water ratio and which side your supposed to lay on afterwards offhand. Strange because I must have done 20 of them. If I find my info on that I'll post it. The important point of the salt to water ratio is to get it the same as plasma, so it flows through the kidneys easily. You may want to hold off on these until your flowing a little more easily, as the bloating could be painful if it doesn't push through. Personally, I'd start with the high C doses. > > Reason for the above is I personally think an anti-parasitic treatment would be more effective once you've removed some of the stagnant debri from your gi tract. Ask your doc about gi flushing then parasite treating then testing again. That order might show them up a little better. The treatment I initially did brought out very bizarre parasites after months, point is, it took constant treatment to finally bring them out. > > Dr. T. is pretty persistent that not many labs are suitable for parasite testing, that comes from his own personal experience of trying to test stool for parasites and his patients results from other labs. To focus on identifying them, you may want to go straight to a good lab out of pocket once they've started purging, if that's the case for you. Otherwise, start cheap, whatever lab your insurance covers and go from there. > > Best of luck to you and hope this helps, > R > > > From: Kim > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:12 AM > > Subject: Re: parasite infection > > > > I have a question about parasites for you guys was embarrassed to ask anywhere before but just read this thread and this seems like the place---I had never been one to suspect parasites in myself and I think the diagnostics test I took didnt show much in that regard either earlier this year but did show dysbiosis but anyway I had a dog die in Aug of lymphoma but it was mostly in her back end poor thing and it looked nasty, she used to lie out in the back in the dirt towards the end and I wouldnt be surprised if some sort of bugs got in her as it was like a gaping wound, around the time she died I became constipated and I have never had a signif problem with that over the years but its continued and I cant figure out why and I wondered if I could have gotten something from her as she liked to sleep in my bathroom floor and I thought I started to notice what looked like could be small translucent flukelike things from me around time I was experimenting with wormwood...my doc is open minded and tested me and came up with nothing and I havent noticed anything strange looking lately but still the constip.....is constip ever a sign of parasites? I thought I read too that there are only tests for a couple types of worms but there are many more so I wondered if lab test would nec. find it. But its notlike I am losing weight by any means if I do have something, I have actually put on a little weight the last couple years and am if anything sort of bloated in the gut..... > > gross....but curious > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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