Undenatured Whey in Australia

[Guest guest]

Tesa, I'm in touch with a fella who is sourcing goat whey in AU. I

think it's undenatured but I'm not sure yet. He found a local source

of inulin too; if it's al;l good I'll get the addresses and post them.

An isolate is a concentrate that has had even more potentially

aggravating factors removed, such as potentially the lactoglobulins

which can cause a reaction in a low percentage of people; that being

said you have to know if they have been preserving the glutathione

precursors we want or selling them, but usually they are keeping them

for market. These preferred components are listed with their relative

bonded cysteine content on my cold-processed whey page.

Duncan

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm wondering if there are any members who have found a good source

of

> undenatured whey in Australia?

>

> Also, Is the Whey Protein Isolate the same and the Whey Protein

> Concentrate?

>

> Thanks in advance.....Tes

>

[Guest guest]

I bought some of the Whey Isolate by NOW foods. Is this a good one to

be using?

~Robin

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm wondering if there are any members who have found a good

source

> of

> > undenatured whey in Australia?

> >

> > Also, Is the Whey Protein Isolate the same and the Whey Protein

> > Concentrate?

> >

> > Thanks in advance.....Tes

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

29/12/2006, duncancrow@... wrote: " I'm in touch with a fella who

is sourcing goat whey in AU. I think it's undenatured but I'm not

sure yet. He found a local source of inulin too... "

I appreciate your investigation and look forward to the outcome. I

don't think I should worry about " lactoglobulins " at this point.

I am really keen to start both the undenatured whey and the

inulin. I want a good one (for diabetics) and that Jarrow one sounds

good. If the Aussie guy can't match its values I'll consider

purchasing from the US. I will definitely get the inulin off him

when you get me the contact details. I already take selenium. I've

tried the whey before (ImmunoPro) but the herxheimer was so powerful

that I had to give it up. Added to that, Ray Peat, the very well

respected biologist, told me personally that it causes cysts and

since I have 13 to 14 cm multiple, bi-lateral ovarian cysts (not

PCOS) it made me very wary. I now think that perhaps it isn't

true. Any thoughts on that? I also have lymphoedema in the lower

legs and I'm what is considered " morbidly " obese. Although I've

always had one illness after another, things escalated alarmingly 3

years into menopause at which time I was dx'd with FMS and doubled my

weight in a single year. Since then I've developed lymphoedema and

insulin resistance.

I've been following the Marshall protocol (avoidance of Vit D,

antibiotics & Benicar) for about 2 years now but it is really slow

going. I do respond with herx to the treatment so I know it is doing

something but I've felt no improvement to date. The MP theory is

that all our symptoms are TH1 disease. I'm not averse to the idea

that all our symptoms are connected.

The MP forum tell me that, while waiting for the treatment to make an

impact, one must also comply with the low carb diet if insulin

resistance or diabetes is an issue and it had been some time since I

was fully compliant. I AM somewhat better since I began complying

with the diet mid September. My BGL was extremely high at that

time. I don't know when it started being so high as I hadn't

bothered to check it for over a year, even though I kept breaking my

diet (due to a home renovation that is still not completed!). I

suddenly started being incredibly thirsty and voiding bladder to

match. At the end of 3 weeks my eyesight was extremely

compromised. It is now nearly back to what it was prior to the great

thirst although that is not very good. I still need to use the

distance spectacles I was dx'd for but just to read very small

print. The other 2 pair (reading books & computer) spectacles are no

longer needed. I'm still aiming to get my BGL lower then my

average fasting one of between 6 & 7. I'm still learning what foods

raise it higher than is wise.

I've also been taking 2 Vanadium daily along with 2 cinnamon caps x 3

x daily w/meals (I'm considering stopping the latter due to cost).

I started MSM powder a couple of weeks ago as well (1 tspn x 2 daily).

I have been thinking about starting some ALA too but my regimen is

already VERY expensive.

Thanks very much for responding to my query. I will always

appreciate any comments offered on my situation.

Thanks........Tesa

[Guest guest]

Here's what found; I contacted the seller for a detailed

analysis but don't have the reply yet; if I get one I'll post it.

http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQsassZproteindirect

Duncan

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm wondering if there are any members who have found a good source

of

> undenatured whey in Australia?

>

> Also, Is the Whey Protein Isolate the same and the Whey Protein

> Concentrate?

>

> Thanks in advance.....Tes

>

[Guest guest]

Immunopro I think is higher in some bovine globulins, which may

account for less tolerance than other brands (sometimes expressed as

herx or being " slammed " ). I'm skeptical of a statement that

undenatured whey generally will cause anything, even from Ray Peat,

whom I respect; the tone of your post indicates you're thinking the

same thing.

Most of the components of undenatured whey, particularly the

isolates, are assimilated though an ancient and reliable pathway, and

most of the components are a match across the mammalian order. There

should be no issues to all but a rare few.

You should be on BlockBuster All Clear and probably potassium

supplements for the lymphedema. You like to read -- check out Dr.

Haltiwanger's cancer article here; it's facscinating if you

understand most of it and it will give you tons of insight.

http://RoyalRife.com/haltiwanger.html

I would go to great pains to find a way around the further reduction

of a deficient vitamin like vitamin D; I have to disagree with such

an approach.

Further on the Herxheimer effect, can you tell a true Herx from a

poisoning, a symptom of deficiency, or some other biological

instability? I ask because I think over the years I've run into

several people who were pursuing the Herx effect but they were really

symptoms of self-induced damage

On overweight, once you're on the whey and inulin for awhile, other

antioxidants, selenium, probably potassium, liver flushes, your

weight should drop. I think toxin load contributes a lot to

overweight; in that case a lot of it will be water. I don't have to

tell you the perils of the modern high-carb diet on top of that.

The whey (glutathione) is an immunomodulator away from either Th1 or

Th2 dominance.

You might source a salt-substitute like " No-Salt " which is potassium

salt, as cheaper in AU than the potassium supplements which are only

99mg, or 1/10 of a gram and about 1/20 or less of a serious daily

potasssium supplement. Read Dr. Haltiwanger's monograph and see.

Your vandium should probably be chromium/vanadium.

All the best,

Duncan

" I'm in touch with a fella who

> is sourcing goat whey in AU. I think it's undenatured but I'm not

> sure yet. He found a local source of inulin too... "

>

> I appreciate your investigation and look forward to the outcome. I

> don't think I should worry about " lactoglobulins " at this point.

>

> I am really keen to start both the undenatured whey and the

> inulin. I want a good one (for diabetics) and that Jarrow one

sounds

> good. If the Aussie guy can't match its values I'll consider

> purchasing from the US. I will definitely get the inulin off him

> when you get me the contact details. I already take selenium.

I've

> tried the whey before (ImmunoPro) but the herxheimer was so

powerful

> that I had to give it up. Added to that, Ray Peat, the very well

> respected biologist, told me personally that it causes cysts and

> since I have 13 to 14 cm multiple, bi-lateral ovarian cysts (not

> PCOS) it made me very wary. I now think that perhaps it isn't

> true. Any thoughts on that? I also have lymphoedema in the lower

> legs and I'm what is considered " morbidly " obese. Although I've

> always had one illness after another, things escalated alarmingly 3

> years into menopause at which time I was dx'd with FMS and doubled

my

> weight in a single year. Since then I've developed lymphoedema and

> insulin resistance.

>

> I've been following the Marshall protocol (avoidance of Vit D,

> antibiotics & Benicar) for about 2 years now but it is really slow

> going. I do respond with herx to the treatment so I know it is

doing

> something but I've felt no improvement to date. The MP theory is

> that all our symptoms are TH1 disease. I'm not averse to the idea

> that all our symptoms are connected.

>

> The MP forum tell me that, while waiting for the treatment to make

an

> impact, one must also comply with the low carb diet if insulin

> resistance or diabetes is an issue and it had been some time since

I

> was fully compliant. I AM somewhat better since I began complying

> with the diet mid September. My BGL was extremely high at that

> time. I don't know when it started being so high as I hadn't

> bothered to check it for over a year, even though I kept breaking

my

> diet (due to a home renovation that is still not completed!). I

> suddenly started being incredibly thirsty and voiding bladder to

> match. At the end of 3 weeks my eyesight was extremely

> compromised. It is now nearly back to what it was prior to the

great

> thirst although that is not very good. I still need to use the

> distance spectacles I was dx'd for but just to read very small

> print. The other 2 pair (reading books & computer) spectacles are

no

> longer needed. I'm still aiming to get my BGL lower then my

> average fasting one of between 6 & 7. I'm still learning what

foods

> raise it higher than is wise.

>

> I've also been taking 2 Vanadium daily along with 2 cinnamon caps x

3

> x daily w/meals (I'm considering stopping the latter due to cost).

>

> I started MSM powder a couple of weeks ago as well (1 tspn x 2

daily).

>

> I have been thinking about starting some ALA too but my regimen is

> already VERY expensive.

>

> Thanks very much for responding to my query. I will always

> appreciate any comments offered on my situation.

>

> Thanks........Tesa

>

>

[Guest guest]

The NOW foods undenatured whey isolate won an award for good reason.

Yes, it's one of the few I've vetted and recommend as well-priced

good product.

Duncan

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I'm wondering if there are any members who have found a good

> source

> > of

> > > undenatured whey in Australia?

> > >

> > > Also, Is the Whey Protein Isolate the same and the Whey Protein

> > > Concentrate?

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance.....Tes

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan

Do you take this whey? I started it today and could you tell me the benefits

of using this? I bought mine at GNC is that ok?

Tena

_____

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:34 AM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: Undenatured Whey in Australia

The NOW foods undenatured whey isolate won an award for good reason.

Yes, it's one of the few I've vetted and recommend as well-priced

good product.

Duncan

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I'm wondering if there are any members who have found a good

> source

> > of

> > > undenatured whey in Australia?

> > >

> > > Also, Is the Whey Protein Isolate the same and the Whey Protein

> > > Concentrate?

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance.....Tes

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I take undenatured whey, a Canadian isolate/concentrate blend.

What is the brand of whey you are referring to? Cooked whey has

nutritional benefits, raw whey has glutathione-producing benefits in

addition to that.

Duncan

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I'm wondering if there are any members who have found a good

> > source

> > > of

> > > > undenatured whey in Australia?

> > > >

> > > > Also, Is the Whey Protein Isolate the same and the Whey

Protein

> > > > Concentrate?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance.....Tes

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

30/12/2006, Duncan wrote: " I'm skeptical of a statement that

undenatured whey generally will cause anything, even from Ray

Peat, whom I respect; the tone of your post indicates you're

thinking the same thing. "

Yes. After reading so much about it to the contrary I've decided

that he's somehow mistaken in his conclusions.

" You should be on BlockBuster All Clear and probably potassium

supplements for the lymphoedema.

I did consider the BlockBuster All Clear but I'm on a disability

pension and it is so expensive. I'll have to see what I can do. I

notice you've told some people that they wouldn't have to stay on it

long but I assume that's not the case for me, considering my

condition? I've been reading about Benzo-Pyrones for lymphoedema but

not sure how well they fit with the MP.

http://www.lymphoedema.org.au/bp_suppl.html

http://www.lymph.com.au/prod264.htm

The clinic I go to here in is very much against them but

give no rationale for why they consider them dangerous. They won't

even discuss them but treat me like a pariah for continuing to ask

them to give a reason. In fact they treat me that way simply because

they don't believe that I'm dieting since I don't lose weight.

Thanks for the link to Dr. Haltiwanger's cancer article. I'll do

some reading but I'm familiar with the body being electric in

nature. I read a good bit about it many years ago. I don't have

access to all my books at the moment so I cannot go looking for

titles to relate to you. I also know about zapping and rifing. I

have a friend who is using the latter. She has been dx'd with Lyme

and FMS (which may be the same thing) and has now gone to antibiotics

as well. I am a reiki channel thus energy healing is another

familiar tool. My understanding of life is considered by most to be

quite radical and as such, is outside the scope of this venue.

How much have you researched the science behind the MP (Marshall

protocol) cuz it makes a lot of sense to me. Including the rationale

for restricting vit D. I know there are a lot of people who are

either recovered or in noticeable recovery. It's pretty obvious that

it's a herx rather than causing damage for them otherwise they would

grow worse over time, not better. My major herx symptom is cramps in

the legs during sleep time but I also suffer from them when I ingest

or absorb too much Vit D. I don't really know why some do better on

the MP in a shorter time while others are much slower but the theory

is that some are way more compromised by the cell wall deficient

bacteria and probably have a lot more of other types of infections

too. I did follow the guai protocol for many years but didn't have

any improvement on that either but believe me, many are having

success. In any case, I'm not ready to toss the towel in on the MP

just yet but I still appreciate your view and will consider it over time.

" On overweight, once you're on the whey and inulin for awhile, other

antioxidants, selenium, probably potassium, liver flushes, your

weight should drop. "

I don't know if I'll ever be able to stomach the liver flush stuff

(by the way, I had large gall stones removed along with the bladder

in my early 20's). I forgot to tell you that I also take Liver

Protect (OZ manufacturer), magnesium and virgin coconut oil w/nuts &

unsweetened choc plus xylitol. I also feel worse, get headaches and

more pain when I take the coconut oil so that seems like a herx to me

or it too is bad for me. The same thing happened with the

ImmunoPro. I took as little as 1/8 tspn and still suffered exacerbation.

I am familiar with " No-Salt " and used it for a while way back many

moons ago. I currently use sea salt. I actually want to use the

celtic sea salt but it is so damp that it will not grind. Anyone

else have that problem? I don't really want to go to the " No-Salt "

so any ideas on how much potassium I should use?

I took chromium Picolinate for years until recently but read some new

information on that type and haven't yet sourced another. " One

animal study indicated that chromium picolinate probably generates

oxidative damage of DNA and lipids and is mutagenic. " :

http://www.webshopemporium.com/Chromium.htm#Safety%20of%20Chromium%20Picolinate

I won't be able to get anything else here in OZ so it is another

supplement I have to bring in. Ends up being quite expensive with

the shipping charges.

I have to make choices about which treatment is the most important

due to costs so I'll probably stop the vanadium when the last few

caps I have run out.

So, I'm going to be continuing with the MP for now but also

considering other treatments.

Please let me know if the person selling whey concentrate & inulin in

OZ gets back to you.

Kind regards and thanks for all your advice Duncan.

Tesa

[Guest guest]

Tesa: the clots, plaque, adhesions, scarring, fibrosis, should be

reduced enough and circulatory enhancement increased with BlockBuster

All Clear that you'd be OK for years. If you need to keep blood

coagulation and inflammation to a lower level you might want to use

low-doses after that.

Potassium intake should balance sodium intake, about a 15:1 ratio for

potassium:sodium; for most people I think 1,500 to 2,000 mg with a

high-veg diet should ballpark it; five to seven extra glasses of

orange juice or actual salts, and if you choose to use Celtic salt as

well you'll need more potassium and more water to reduce edema.

You'll get some interesting clues on minerals and pH in the lymph

fluid and extracellular matrix from the Haltiwanger article.

My question on the vitamin D is that if you severely limit it what is

providing this essential nutrient? There has to be a better way than

reducing it considering it is essential.

Because you have no gallbladder you can do your liver flush in just a

few hours with epsom salts to open the hepatic ducts and a coffee

enema to stimulate bile flow; there's no reason to take in all that

oil.

We don't use chromium picolinate in Canada either; we get chromium

nicotinate.

Cheers!

Duncan

" I'm skeptical of a statement that

> undenatured whey generally will cause anything, even from Ray

> Peat, whom I respect; the tone of your post indicates you're

> thinking the same thing. "

>

> Yes. After reading so much about it to the contrary I've decided

> that he's somehow mistaken in his conclusions.

>

> " You should be on BlockBuster All Clear and probably potassium

> supplements for the lymphoedema.

>

> I did consider the BlockBuster All Clear but I'm on a disability

> pension and it is so expensive. I'll have to see what I can do. I

> notice you've told some people that they wouldn't have to stay on

it

> long but I assume that's not the case for me, considering my

> condition? I've been reading about Benzo-Pyrones for lymphoedema

but

> not sure how well they fit with the MP.

> http://www.lymphoedema.org.au/bp_suppl.html

> http://www.lymph.com.au/prod264.htm

> The clinic I go to here in is very much against them but

> give no rationale for why they consider them dangerous. They

won't

> even discuss them but treat me like a pariah for continuing to ask

> them to give a reason. In fact they treat me that way simply

because

> they don't believe that I'm dieting since I don't lose weight.

>

> Thanks for the link to Dr. Haltiwanger's cancer article. I'll do

> some reading but I'm familiar with the body being electric in

> nature. I read a good bit about it many years ago. I don't have

> access to all my books at the moment so I cannot go looking for

> titles to relate to you. I also know about zapping and rifing. I

> have a friend who is using the latter. She has been dx'd with Lyme

> and FMS (which may be the same thing) and has now gone to

antibiotics

> as well. I am a reiki channel thus energy healing is another

> familiar tool. My understanding of life is considered by most to

be

> quite radical and as such, is outside the scope of this venue.

>

> How much have you researched the science behind the MP (Marshall

> protocol) cuz it makes a lot of sense to me. Including the

rationale

> for restricting vit D. I know there are a lot of people who are

> either recovered or in noticeable recovery. It's pretty obvious

that

> it's a herx rather than causing damage for them otherwise they

would

> grow worse over time, not better. My major herx symptom is cramps

in

> the legs during sleep time but I also suffer from them when I

ingest

> or absorb too much Vit D. I don't really know why some do better

on

> the MP in a shorter time while others are much slower but the

theory

> is that some are way more compromised by the cell wall deficient

> bacteria and probably have a lot more of other types of infections

> too. I did follow the guai protocol for many years but didn't have

> any improvement on that either but believe me, many are having

> success. In any case, I'm not ready to toss the towel in on the MP

> just yet but I still appreciate your view and will consider it over

time.

>

> " On overweight, once you're on the whey and inulin for awhile,

other

> antioxidants, selenium, probably potassium, liver flushes, your

> weight should drop. "

>

> I don't know if I'll ever be able to stomach the liver flush stuff

> (by the way, I had large gall stones removed along with the bladder

> in my early 20's). I forgot to tell you that I also take Liver

> Protect (OZ manufacturer), magnesium and virgin coconut oil w/nuts

&

> unsweetened choc plus xylitol. I also feel worse, get headaches

and

> more pain when I take the coconut oil so that seems like a herx to

me

> or it too is bad for me. The same thing happened with the

> ImmunoPro. I took as little as 1/8 tspn and still suffered

exacerbation.

>

> I am familiar with " No-Salt " and used it for a while way back many

> moons ago. I currently use sea salt. I actually want to use the

> celtic sea salt but it is so damp that it will not grind.

Anyone

> else have that problem? I don't really want to go to the " No-Salt "

> so any ideas on how much potassium I should use?

>

> I took chromium Picolinate for years until recently but read some

new

> information on that type and haven't yet sourced another. " One

> animal study indicated that chromium picolinate probably generates

> oxidative damage of DNA and lipids and is mutagenic. " :

> http://www.webshopemporium.com/Chromium.htm#Safety%20of%20Chromium%

20Picolinate

> I won't be able to get anything else here in OZ so it is another

> supplement I have to bring in. Ends up being quite expensive with

> the shipping charges.

>

> I have to make choices about which treatment is the most important

> due to costs so I'll probably stop the vanadium when the last few

> caps I have run out.

>

> So, I'm going to be continuing with the MP for now but also

> considering other treatments.

>

> Please let me know if the person selling whey concentrate & inulin

in

> OZ gets back to you.

>

> Kind regards and thanks for all your advice Duncan.

>

> Tesa

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" ...five to seven extra glasses of orange juice... "

No orange juice for me as I'm following a low-carb diet. I will forgo

the celtic sea salt and take some potassium. Thx.

" My question on the vitamin D is that if you severely limit it what is

providing this essential nutrient? There has to be a better way than

reducing it considering it is essential. "

I can't explain it better than the MP forum does:

http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2572.html

http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum2/4062.html

http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2274.html

http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2810.html

Thx for the info re liver flush. I've got a lot to digest and consider.

Kind regards, Tes

[Guest guest]

Duncan

It is 100 percent whey from GNC pro performance it has 20 grams of protein.

Where would it say where it is cooked?

Tena

_____

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:13 AM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: Undenatured Whey in Australia

Yes, I take undenatured whey, a Canadian isolate/concentrate blend.

What is the brand of whey you are referring to? Cooked whey has

nutritional benefits, raw whey has glutathione-producing benefits in

addition to that.

Duncan

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I'm wondering if there are any members who have found a good

> > source

> > > of

> > > > undenatured whey in Australia?

> > > >

> > > > Also, Is the Whey Protein Isolate the same and the Whey

Protein

> > > > Concentrate?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance.....Tes

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In North America something like this would be on the label; carefully

low-temperature extracted to preserve delicate peptides that create

glutathione, undenatured, microfiltered, something like that.

If it doesn't say that it probably isn't what you're looking for. My

friend found a UK undenatured sweet whey but it turned out to

be 2/3 sugar, so watch for that too.

Duncan

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm wondering if there are any members who have found a

good

> > > source

> > > > of

> > > > > undenatured whey in Australia?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, Is the Whey Protein Isolate the same and the Whey

> Protein

> > > > > Concentrate?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks in advance.....Tes

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan and Aussie listers

I found this product at

http://www.myopure.com.au/ix-whey-protein-isolate.html

Is this a good product as a pre biotic. If so the quest for inuiin continues.

Could we get

chicory root and process is somehow ourselves?, bake it ???

Thanks

paul K Byron NSW Australia

Micro-fraction Profile Amino Acid Profile Vitamin Nutritional Info

Myopures' CSEP® whey protein isolate is produced using continuous

chromatographic

separation which is an ion based process although it does not involve ion

exchange. This

exclusive process captures the whey proteins in their native state (ie.

undenatured whey

proteins).

Unlike ion-exchange whey proteins Myopures CSEP® WPI is particularly rich in

glycomacropeptide. It is also virtually carbohydrate free.

IX whey protein isolate 20kg

NB: free shipping does not apply more info $34.35/kg

IX whey protein isolate $41.50/kg

Glycomacropeptide

GMP is a large, glycosylated, heat-stable peptide. Many of its biological

properties are

associated with the presence of sialic acid residues.

Properties

high level of glycosylation

antibacterial

antiviral adhesion

anti-toxin

modulator of digestive hormones

low level of aromatic amino acids

high levels of branched chain amino acids

See " Biological Activities of Bovine Glycomacropeptide " Brody (2000)

Whey Protein Fraction Profile

ß-Lactoglobulin

56-60%

?-Lactalbumin

9-11%

GMP (Glycomacropeptide)

28-32%

BSA (Bovine Serum Albumin)

1%

Amino Acid Profile

Amino Acids per 100g Protein

Branch Chain Amino Acids

Isoleucine 6.6g

Leucine 9.6g

Valine 6.2g

Other Essential Amino Acids

Lysine 9.3g

Methionine 2.3g

Phenylalanine 2.5g

Threonine 7.3g

Tryptophan 2.4g

Other Amino Acids

Alanine 5.0g

Arginine 1.9g

Aspartate 10.8g

Cystine 1.9g

Glutamate 18.8g

Glycine 1.1g

Histidine 0.9g

Proline 6.1g

Serine 4.6g

Tyrosine 2.7g

Nutritional Information

(As per the manufacturers product specificatons)

A highly soluble (90% db) whey protein product manufactured in Australia by

continuous

chromatographic separation. It is highly digestable and is virtually

carbohydrate free. It

has high glycomacropeptide (GMP).

Typical Composition

Protein (TNx 6.38)

(As is) 91.5%

(Dry basis) 95%

Moisture

4.0%

Fat

1%

Ash

3.0%

Lactose

0.1%

Lethicin

0.5%

Typical Physical Properties

Colour

Pale Cream

Flavour

Clean

Scorched particles (50g)

Disc A

pH

7

Typical Microbiological Estimates

Aerobic Plate Count (cfu/g)

<5,000

Salmonella (/750g)

Not detected

Yeasts and moulds (cfu/g)

<10

Coliforms (/g)

Not detected

E. Coll. (/g)

Not detected

Coagulase Positive Staphylococci (/g)

Not detected

Listeria species (/50g)

Absent

Quality Assurance

The product is made in accordance with good manufacturing practice and under

conditions that comply with Australian State and Federal regulations prescribed

for dairy

produce.

The product is produced to ensure set standards for pesticides, additives, heavy

metals

and detergents are met.

CSEP® is a registered mark of the Calgon Carbon Corporation.

[Guest guest]

Myopure seems like a good undenatured product but realize it's got

50% of the alpha-lactalbumin and 10% of the serum albumin that Jarrow

has; these are the key glutathione precursors.

Jarrow Formulas 100% Natural Whey Protein concentrate:

20% alpha-lactalbumin,

10% Serum Albumin,

10% immunoglobulin,

51% beta-lactoglobulin,

7% minor fractions (beta-microglobulin, lactoferrin, lactoperoxidase,

lysozyme, lactolin and relaxin).

Myopure:

9-11% alpha-lactalbumin,

1% Serum Albumin,

56-60% beta-lactoglobulin,

28-32% GMP (Glycomacropeptide)

The Myopure seems to have been well-pasteurized, denatured by the

cheese industry and then whatever glutathione precursors remained

undenatured were salvaged. The salvage is beneficial but not

prebiotic; it contains almost no lactose so it won't ferment much.

You still need an inulin source.

Duncan

>

>

> Hi Duncan and Aussie listers

> I found this product at

>

> http://www.myopure.com.au/ix-whey-protein-isolate.html

>

> Is this a good product as a pre biotic. If so the quest for inuiin

continues. Could we get

> chicory root and process is somehow ourselves?, bake it ???

>

> Thanks

>

> paul K Byron NSW Australia

>

> Micro-fraction Profile Amino Acid Profile Vitamin

Nutritional Info

>

> Myopures' CSEP® whey protein isolate is produced using continuous

chromatographic

> separation which is an ion based process although it does not

involve ion exchange. This

> exclusive process captures the whey proteins in their native state

(ie. undenatured whey

> proteins).

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

I know that the Jarrow Formulas isn't, but are any of the other whey

products on your website available in Australia? If so, how do they

compare to Myopure?

Thanks,

ita

(Sydney)

>

>

> Myopure seems like a good undenatured product but realize it's got

> 50% of the alpha-lactalbumin and 10% of the serum albumin that Jarrow

> has; these are the key glutathione precursors.

>

> Jarrow Formulas 100% Natural Whey Protein concentrate:

>

> 20% alpha-lactalbumin,

> 10% Serum Albumin,

> 10% immunoglobulin,

> 51% beta-lactoglobulin,

> 7% minor fractions (beta-microglobulin, lactoferrin, lactoperoxidase,

> lysozyme, lactolin and relaxin).

>

> Myopure:

>

> 9-11% alpha-lactalbumin,

> 1% Serum Albumin,

> 56-60% beta-lactoglobulin,

> 28-32% GMP (Glycomacropeptide)

>

>

> The Myopure seems to have been well-pasteurized, denatured by the

> cheese industry and then whatever glutathione precursors remained

> undenatured were salvaged. The salvage is beneficial but not

> prebiotic; it contains almost no lactose so it won't ferment much.

> You still need an inulin source.

>

>

> Duncan

>

>

[Guest guest]

The Now Foods undenatured whey isolate that won an award in 2005 is

available to Australia or anywhere; here's the link:

http://tinyurl.com/yxqklx

You also might find a couple of other things in a catalogue search

like higher-dose selenium and cheaper cod-liver oil to help justify

the shipping cost.

Duncan

> >

> >

> > Myopure seems like a good undenatured product but realize it's

got

> > 50% of the alpha-lactalbumin and 10% of the serum albumin that

Jarrow

> > has; these are the key glutathione precursors.

> >

> > Jarrow Formulas 100% Natural Whey Protein concentrate:

> >

> > 20% alpha-lactalbumin,

> > 10% Serum Albumin,

> > 10% immunoglobulin,

> > 51% beta-lactoglobulin,

> > 7% minor fractions (beta-microglobulin, lactoferrin,

lactoperoxidase,

> > lysozyme, lactolin and relaxin).

> >

> > Myopure:

> >

> > 9-11% alpha-lactalbumin,

> > 1% Serum Albumin,

> > 56-60% beta-lactoglobulin,

> > 28-32% GMP (Glycomacropeptide)

> >

> >

> > The Myopure seems to have been well-pasteurized, denatured by the

> > cheese industry and then whatever glutathione precursors remained

> > undenatured were salvaged. The salvage is beneficial but not

> > prebiotic; it contains almost no lactose so it won't ferment

much.

> > You still need an inulin source.

> >

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ita

I found one made and distributed in oz, that had

more than 20% alpha-lactalbumin,

but only 1% Serum Albumin

but I was disturbed, forgot to bookmark it and have to find it again. There are

hundreds of

products out there, mostly for bodybuilders.

Go to Google.com.au and do a search on " whey " search pages in australia, and

check out the

results.

Ill do the same and post my findings, and let me know what you find as well.

thanks NSW Australia

[Guest guest]

Hi ita, Duncan and all other aussies on quest for whey.

I emailed purenutrition.com.au They have 2 products WPC & WPI,

here is their reply:

First of all, all our products are in their natural form and contain no

artificial flavours,

sweeteners, sugar, preservatives or fillers.

In regards to your question about the fraction profile of our proteins, here is

some

information:

Pure Nutrition WPC alpha-lactalbumin of 20-25%, Beta-Lactoglobulin 50-55% and

Bovine

Serum Albumin between 8-10%

Pure Nutrition WPI alpha-lactalbumin 15-20%, Beta-Lactoglobulin 40-45% and

Bovine

Serum Albumin between 1-5%

The reason i have included ranges is because every single batch that is produced

of whey

protein at any manufacturing plant is not 100% consistent as it is being made

from cow's

milk which is not always the same. However, you can safely assume these

percentage

ranges based on testing on a very large number of batches.

So in regards to your original question, yes i believe our Pure Nutrition WPC

would be

perfect to suit your needs, we sell it in 1, 2 , 4.5 and 9kg variants.

I hope this information has been helpful. let me know if anything is not clear

or you need

any more information.

We hope to be able to serve you in the near future.

I have emailed again asking if the WPC is denatured. The WPI is, but has less of

the

prebiotic goodies we want.

I am waiting for replies from other companies I emailed and will post replies

Thanks

K Byron NSW - downunda

[Guest guest]

Good stuff; oddly the Pure Nutrition WPC http://purenutrition.com.au

has a better profile of glutathione precursors.

That's the stuff though, a very good profile; however, the sugar

content might turn out to be a deterrant. One otherwise great choice

in NZ was 2/3 sugar! If it's high like that maybe the WPI would be a

better choice.

Thanks .

Duncan

>

> Hi ita, Duncan and all other aussies on quest for whey.

> I emailed They have 2 products WPC & WPI,

> here is their reply:

>

> First of all, all our products are in their natural form and

contain no artificial flavours,

> sweeteners, sugar, preservatives or fillers.

>

> In regards to your question about the fraction profile of our

proteins, here is some

> information:

> Pure Nutrition WPC alpha-lactalbumin of 20-25%, Beta-Lactoglobulin

50-55% and Bovine

> Serum Albumin between 8-10%

> Pure Nutrition WPI alpha-lactalbumin 15-20%, Beta-Lactoglobulin

40-45% and Bovine

> Serum Albumin between 1-5%

> The reason i have included ranges is because every single batch

that is produced of whey

> protein at any manufacturing plant is not 100% consistent as it is

being made from cow's

> milk which is not always the same. However, you can safely assume

these percentage

> ranges based on testing on a very large number of batches.

>

> So in regards to your original question, yes i believe our Pure

Nutrition WPC would be

> perfect to suit your needs, we sell it in 1, 2 , 4.5 and 9kg

variants.

>

> I hope this information has been helpful. let me know if anything

is not clear or you need

> any more information.

>

> We hope to be able to serve you in the near future.

>

> I have emailed again asking if the WPC is denatured. The WPI is,

but has less of the

> prebiotic goodies we want.

>

> I am waiting for replies from other companies I emailed and will

post replies

>

> Thanks

>

> K Byron NSW - downunda

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Duncan - The products I describe Are from Pure Nutrition

*****

WPI per serve per 100g

Carbohydrates - total 0.03 g 0.1 g

- sugars 0.03 g 0.1 g

Lactose 0.21 g 0.7 g

WPC

Carbohydrates - total 1.8 g 6 g

- sugars 1.8 g 6 g

Lactose 1.5 g 5 g

think I will go with thw WPI for less sugar but wait for more responses from

other

comanies as well as Inulin Q's

K

> >

> > Hi ita, Duncan and all other aussies on quest for whey.

> > I emailed They have 2 products WPC & WPI,

> > here is their reply:

> >

> > First of all, all our products are in their natural form and

> contain no artificial flavours,

> > sweeteners, sugar, preservatives or fillers.

> >

> > In regards to your question about the fraction profile of our

> proteins, here is some

> > information:

> > Pure Nutrition WPC alpha-lactalbumin of 20-25%, Beta-Lactoglobulin

> 50-55% and Bovine

> > Serum Albumin between 8-10%

> > Pure Nutrition WPI alpha-lactalbumin 15-20%, Beta-Lactoglobulin

> 40-45% and Bovine

> > Serum Albumin between 1-5%

> > The reason i have included ranges is because every single batch

> that is produced of whey

> > protein at any manufacturing plant is not 100% consistent as it is

> being made from cow's

> > milk which is not always the same. However, you can safely assume

> these percentage

> > ranges based on testing on a very large number of batches.

> >

> > So in regards to your original question, yes i believe our Pure

> Nutrition WPC would be

> > perfect to suit your needs, we sell it in 1, 2 , 4.5 and 9kg

> variants.

> >

> > I hope this information has been helpful. let me know if anything

> is not clear or you need

> > any more information.

> >

> > We hope to be able to serve you in the near future.

> >

> > I have emailed again asking if the WPC is denatured. The WPI is,

> but has less of the

> > prebiotic goodies we want.

> >

> > I am waiting for replies from other companies I emailed and will

> post replies

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > K Byron NSW - downunda

> >

>