Re: Hereditary High Cholesterol - long

[Guest guest]

The link between ANY level of cholesterol and arteriosclerosis is

purely one of oxidative stress, Gail.

By far, the most important part of the " disease " that " runs in the

family " is the bad diet. Those treasured family recipes and eating

habits. The disease is diet-induced; it causes antioxidant depletion.

People with high antioxidant levels who don't eat seed oils don't get

heart disease; people with low antioxidant levels and normal

cholesterol do.

The proof is the well-referenced article " The Cholesterol Myths " by

Uffe Ravnskov; see where people are being snowed by Big Pharma on

this issue.

http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm

Duncan

>

> I know all about the " cholesterol myth " but coming from a family

with

> a hereditary risk of arteriosclerosis, it is really hard for me not

> to be concerned. All the way back through my mother's family they

> were dropping over dead from heart attacks. I have 5 bros & sis

and

> only one has never had high cholesterol. The other 4 (and me) had

> high cholesterol and all have had angioplasty or bi-pass surgery

> (some more than once.) My mom had bypass surgery along with some of

> her bros and sis. When my youngest bro was 37 he had a heart

attack

> and had bi-pass surgery. I am 10 yrs older than him and when that

> happened it scared the heck out of me. I decided I did not want to

> end up having this happen to me. So I went on a very strict low-

> fat/high carb diet. I had been taking some supplements and after

> doing research starting taking more and especially anything that

was

> supposed to help strengthen the heart. I dropped my cholesterol

from

> 400 down to 268 by diet alone. My bros & sis all took cholesterol

> reducing drugs. I felt comfortable with the 268 as my good

> cholesterol was high, bad low and triglycerides low - so felt my

> ratio was pretty good. I refused to take any drugs. I'm now 64 and

> the only one in my family (except the one that never had high

> cholesterol, and who eats anything and everything - junk included)

> that has not had to have any surgical procedures.

>

> But now I've ended up with this awful candida which I'm sure my low-

> fat/high-carb diet contributed to. In fact, looking back, all my

> digestive problems started around the time I changed to this diet.

> Since going on the candida diet so many of my physical ailments

> have disappeared.

>

> Well, now on the candida diet I'm eating red meats again (which

> I've always loved, by the way ) and all these fats. But I still

> worry

> about heart problems because of the hereditary factor. Especially

> since the one sis with the low cholesterol has never had a problem

> and the rest with high cholesterol all had problems. So might

there

> be cause for concern when this hereditary factor exists. I just

> can't reconcile myself to the fact that it isn't important.

>

> Any info that would alleviate my fears would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Gail

>

[Guest guest]

On 12/12/06, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> The link between ANY level of cholesterol and arteriosclerosis is

> purely one of oxidative stress, Gail.

The elephant standing in the room here is that familial

hypercholesterolemia is the result of a genetic defect in LDL

receptors that do not allow cholesterol to enter the cells.

And of course, the whole point of the body producing cholesterol and

sending it into the blood is to get it inside the cells.

Chris

--

The Truth About Cholesterol

Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

[Guest guest]

Chris:

You are amazing and I love to read what you have to say and I KEEP all your

posts in a folder.

Bonnie

Re: Re: Hereditary High Cholesterol - long

On 12/12/06, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> The link between ANY level of cholesterol and arteriosclerosis is

> purely one of oxidative stress, Gail.

The elephant standing in the room here is that familial

hypercholesterolemia is the result of a genetic defect in LDL

receptors that do not allow cholesterol to enter the cells.

And of course, the whole point of the body producing cholesterol and

sending it into the blood is to get it inside the cells.

Chris

--

The Truth About Cholesterol

Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

[Guest guest]

So if I make sure by diet and supplements to ingest enough

antioxidants I will lessen my risk of having problems?

I'm not so sure about the bad diet comments either. My mother's

family were farmers and always had fresh veggies, fruit, beef, pork,

etc. Plus my grandfather was a commercial fisherman and they had a

lot of fresh fish.

Growing up in my family we always had good meals with a lot variety,

very little processed foods and limited sweets. In the earlier years

even had raw milk and fresh butter, etc. Course after we grew up and

left home I'm sure some of our diet choices changed. I know mine

became pretty bad over time.

I'm the only one in my immediate family that has tried to regulate

this through diet and supplements. So far so good, though the choice

of the low fat/high carb diet was not a good one but at the time was

the recommended way to go.

I just want to make sure I do everything I possibly can to promote

good heart health (along with getting rid of this candida). Besides

following the candida diet would you recommend any additional

supplements for someone with my hereditary disposition?

Gail

>

> The link between ANY level of cholesterol and arteriosclerosis is

> purely one of oxidative stress, Gail.

>

> By far, the most important part of the " disease " that " runs in the

> family " is the bad diet. Those treasured family recipes and eating

> habits. The disease is diet-induced; it causes antioxidant

depletion.

>

> People with high antioxidant levels who don't eat seed oils don't

get

> heart disease; people with low antioxidant levels and normal

> cholesterol do.

>

> The proof is the well-referenced article " The Cholesterol Myths " by

> Uffe Ravnskov; see where people are being snowed by Big Pharma on

> this issue.

> http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

So how do I get it into my cells ?

Gail

> > The link between ANY level of cholesterol and arteriosclerosis is

> > purely one of oxidative stress, Gail.

>

> The elephant standing in the room here is that familial

> hypercholesterolemia is the result of a genetic defect in LDL

> receptors that do not allow cholesterol to enter the cells.

>

> And of course, the whole point of the body producing cholesterol and

> sending it into the blood is to get it inside the cells.

>

> Chris

> --

> The Truth About Cholesterol

> Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

> http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

>

[Guest guest]

Gail, my diet dig is still worth a look; question: " what promoted the

oxidation of the oil and cholesterol? " The biggest culprit behind

heart disease for two generations was probably corn oil, second was

probably margarine. Today we also have soy, cottonseed, canola,

safflower, sunflower and a few other " dietary " oils that I wouldn't

recommend except as fuel. Nope, not even as animal feed.

The best advice (for anyone) to reduce heart disease is to:

.... reduce oxidative dietary oils to the essentials only, because

cholesterol that transports them is exposed to their tendency to go

rancid, which promotes a chain reaction of oxidative stress, and

.... increase antioxidants that prevent that rancidity from occurring.

The antioxidants also prevent borderline scurvy, which creates the

lesions in the artery wall that the LP(a) adheres to in the first

place. With no lesions there's nowhere for the plaque to form.

has undoubtably gone deeper into this rabbit hole and may have

more detail.

Duncan

> >

> > The link between ANY level of cholesterol and arteriosclerosis is

> > purely one of oxidative stress, Gail.

> >

> > By far, the most important part of the " disease " that " runs in

the

> > family " is the bad diet. Those treasured family recipes and

eating

> > habits. The disease is diet-induced; it causes antioxidant

> depletion.

> >

> > People with high antioxidant levels who don't eat seed oils don't

> get

> > heart disease; people with low antioxidant levels and normal

> > cholesterol do.

> >

> > The proof is the well-referenced article " The Cholesterol Myths "

by

> > Uffe Ravnskov; see where people are being snowed by Big Pharma on

> > this issue.

> > http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm

> >

> > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks! I really appreciate all the info. Growing up my mom used

mostly lard for cooking/baking. I believe we did use margarine for a

short while but then went back to butter. I don't recall her ever

using any cooking oils though there may have been an occasional use.

I pretty much cooked the same way she did as my kids were growing up

but we did eat more processed foods. The kids grew up, and then ...

ooops, here I am .

Gail

>

> Gail, my diet dig is still worth a look; question: " what promoted

the

> oxidation of the oil and cholesterol? " The biggest culprit behind

> heart disease for two generations was probably corn oil, second was

> probably margarine. Today we also have soy, cottonseed, canola,

> safflower, sunflower and a few other " dietary " oils that I wouldn't

> recommend except as fuel. Nope, not even as animal feed.

>

> The best advice (for anyone) to reduce heart disease is to:

>

> ... reduce oxidative dietary oils to the essentials only, because

> cholesterol that transports them is exposed to their tendency to go

> rancid, which promotes a chain reaction of oxidative stress, and

>

> ... increase antioxidants that prevent that rancidity from

occurring.

> The antioxidants also prevent borderline scurvy, which creates the

> lesions in the artery wall that the LP(a) adheres to in the first

> place. With no lesions there's nowhere for the plaque to form.

>

> has undoubtably gone deeper into this rabbit hole and may

have

> more detail.

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Given that you seem to have had fairly good oils in the diet, then

I'd think depleted antioxidant pool would be behind any heart

disease. A lot of veggies don't contain enough antioxidants,

particularly when they're cooked, and it's widely recognized today

that supplementation makes healthier bodies than no supplementation.

Duncan

> >

> > Gail, my diet dig is still worth a look; question: " what promoted

> the

> > oxidation of the oil and cholesterol? " The biggest culprit behind

> > heart disease for two generations was probably corn oil, second

was

> > probably margarine. Today we also have soy, cottonseed, canola,

> > safflower, sunflower and a few other " dietary " oils that I

wouldn't

> > recommend except as fuel. Nope, not even as animal feed.

> >

> > The best advice (for anyone) to reduce heart disease is to:

> >

> > ... reduce oxidative dietary oils to the essentials only, because

> > cholesterol that transports them is exposed to their tendency to

go

> > rancid, which promotes a chain reaction of oxidative stress, and

> >

> > ... increase antioxidants that prevent that rancidity from

> occurring.

> > The antioxidants also prevent borderline scurvy, which creates

the

> > lesions in the artery wall that the LP(a) adheres to in the first

> > place. With no lesions there's nowhere for the plaque to form.

> >

> > has undoubtably gone deeper into this rabbit hole and may

> have

> > more detail.

> >

> > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

This is not a cholesterol forum.

============================

Gail wrote:

> So if I make sure by diet and supplements to ingest enough

> antioxidants I will lessen my risk of having problems?

>

> I'm not so sure about the bad diet comments either. My mother's

> family were farmers and always had fresh veggies, fruit, beef, pork,

> etc. Plus my grandfather was a commercial fisherman and they had a

> lot of fresh fish.

>

> Growing up in my family we always had good meals with a lot variety,

> very little processed foods and limited sweets. In the earlier years

> even had raw milk and fresh butter, etc. Course after we grew up and

> left home I'm sure some of our diet choices changed. I know mine

> became pretty bad over time.

>

> I'm the only one in my immediate family that has tried to regulate

> this through diet and supplements. So far so good, though the choice

> of the low fat/high carb diet was not a good one but at the time was

> the recommended way to go.

>

> I just want to make sure I do everything I possibly can to promote

> good heart health (along with getting rid of this candida). Besides

> following the candida diet would you recommend any additional

> supplements for someone with my hereditary disposition?

>

> Gail

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know that. My concern was with the high fat candida diet and

effects for someone with the hereditary risk of arteriosclerosis.

Sorry if it was inappropriate or offended you or anyone else.

Gail

> > So if I make sure by diet and supplements to ingest enough

> > antioxidants I will lessen my risk of having problems?

> >

> > I'm not so sure about the bad diet comments either. My mother's

> > family were farmers and always had fresh veggies, fruit, beef,

pork,

> > etc. Plus my grandfather was a commercial fisherman and they had

a

> > lot of fresh fish.

> >

> > Growing up in my family we always had good meals with a lot

variety,

> > very little processed foods and limited sweets. In the earlier

years

> > even had raw milk and fresh butter, etc. Course after we grew up

and

> > left home I'm sure some of our diet choices changed. I know mine

> > became pretty bad over time.

> >

> > I'm the only one in my immediate family that has tried to

regulate

> > this through diet and supplements. So far so good, though the

choice

> > of the low fat/high carb diet was not a good one but at the time

was

> > the recommended way to go.

> >

> > I just want to make sure I do everything I possibly can to

promote

> > good heart health (along with getting rid of this candida).

Besides

> > following the candida diet would you recommend any additional

> > supplements for someone with my hereditary disposition?

> >

> > Gail

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On 12/13/06, Gail <gmgblues@...> wrote:

>

> Sorry if it was inappropriate or offended you or anyone else.

I certainly wasn't offened, nor did I find it inappropriate. Yes, this is a

candidiasis list but, if we're trying to take a holistic approach to our

health then it will often spill over into other areas of health. After all

many people have other health issues as well as candida, I'm one of them,

and of course we want to make sure that helping one issue is not harming

another. I enjoyed the exchange of posts and found them helpful

Kirsteen

--

> Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done

[Guest guest]

On 12/13/06, Gail <gmgblues@...> wrote:

> I know that. My concern was with the high fat candida diet and

> effects for someone with the hereditary risk of arteriosclerosis.

> Sorry if it was inappropriate or offended you or anyone else.

I'm not a moderator so I have no final say about what is or is not

on-topic, but I thought the relevance of your question to the list's

topic was obvious and you don't owe anyone any apologies for asking

about it.

Chris

--

The Truth About Cholesterol

Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com