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Hello Angie,

Nice to meet you :) My name is georgina and my son's had JRA (systemic

type) since he was 6. I also have an almost 9 yr old daugter named

kayla. We live in maui, hawaii. josh hasn't had eye involvement with his

JRA but he still sees the eye doctor regularly because the steroids he

takes have caused some slight cataracts and he needs to be monitored

because he also takes plaquinel.

I know what you mean, about the children sometimes handling things

better than their parents! They just go with the flow, while we

sometimes get so worried and stressed out over every little thing. Well,

a lot of the issues aren't really so little, are they?!? They will make

the best of it, though. So, best to let them know we love them lots,

with lots of unconditional love, support and encouragement. Keep their

confidence and self-esteem level up, so they can more easily handle any

of the difficulties they may face.

Yes, it sounds like your daughter's doctor has her on the standard

therapy to try to control the disease. How's it working, so far? Does

she have any joints that are particularly bothersome or is the worst

part of it the uveitis/iritis?

Well, I'll hope to hear more from you again. Let us know how Allie is

doing, okay? Sometimes I don't get to spend so much time online as I'd

like to but I do always read the messages here and eventually I get to

replying. Maybe it has something to do with our time zone :) Hawaii is

way behind most others. Me too, sometimes!

Angie Silver wrote:

> Hello everyone. I guess I should introduce myself. I just subscribed

> yesterday.

>

> My name is Angie. I am from North Carolina. I have two children, andra

> (Allie) and Dylan. Dylan just turned 3 months and Allie is 29 months old.

> She was diagnosed with JRA @ 17 months. She is on Naprosyn twice a day and

> Methatrexate once weekly. She also has the iritis with the JRA. She is

> currently in a battle with that. We give her 6 prednisone drops daily. She

> is handling everything quite well, probably better than mommy is!:0)

>

> I hope everyone has a wonderful Holiday! I look forward to getting to know

> all of you!

>

> Angie

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Hi Georgina. How are you? Hope you and your family are well!

Allie is doing ok now. She sees the eye doctor on Tuesday. Sedation will be

involved:0( He has to check her pressures. He is now talking steroid

intervention....I don't know what this involves. Anyone else have experience

with the steroid use for uveitis????

Angie

Re: [ ] Hello everyone!

> From: Georgina <gmckin@...>

>

> Hello Angie,

>

> Nice to meet you :) My name is georgina and my son's had JRA (systemic

> type) since he was 6. I also have an almost 9 yr old daugter named

> kayla. We live in maui, hawaii. josh hasn't had eye involvement with his

> JRA but he still sees the eye doctor regularly because the steroids he

> takes have caused some slight cataracts and he needs to be monitored

> because he also takes plaquinel.

>

> I know what you mean, about the children sometimes handling things

> better than their parents! They just go with the flow, while we

> sometimes get so worried and stressed out over every little thing. Well,

> a lot of the issues aren't really so little, are they?!? They will make

> the best of it, though. So, best to let them know we love them lots,

> with lots of unconditional love, support and encouragement. Keep their

> confidence and self-esteem level up, so they can more easily handle any

> of the difficulties they may face.

>

> Yes, it sounds like your daughter's doctor has her on the standard

> therapy to try to control the disease. How's it working, so far? Does

> she have any joints that are particularly bothersome or is the worst

> part of it the uveitis/iritis?

>

> Well, I'll hope to hear more from you again. Let us know how Allie is

> doing, okay? Sometimes I don't get to spend so much time online as I'd

> like to but I do always read the messages here and eventually I get to

> replying. Maybe it has something to do with our time zone :) Hawaii is

> way behind most others. Me too, sometimes!

>

>

> Angie Silver wrote:

>

> > Hello everyone. I guess I should introduce myself. I just subscribed

> > yesterday.

> >

> > My name is Angie. I am from North Carolina. I have two children,

andra

> > (Allie) and Dylan. Dylan just turned 3 months and Allie is 29 months

old.

> > She was diagnosed with JRA @ 17 months. She is on Naprosyn twice a day

and

> > Methatrexate once weekly. She also has the iritis with the JRA. She is

> > currently in a battle with that. We give her 6 prednisone drops daily.

She

> > is handling everything quite well, probably better than mommy is!:0)

> >

> > I hope everyone has a wonderful Holiday! I look forward to getting to

know

> > all of you!

> >

> > Angie

>

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Hi Angie,

The children are still enjoying their winter break here, but will be

heading back to school on Monday. We're all doing pretty well. Josh's

arthritis seems to be pretty inactive right now :) So happy about

that!!!!

Good luck at the eye doctor. I guess they'll sedate because Allie's so

young? I think Josh gets that test done too, when he goes in every 6

months. He sits in the special chair, they have him rest his chin on

the, hmmm .... chinrest thing, and then the doctor brings the little

thing up close to his eye and measures the pressure there. That, the

slit lamp test, the turning through pages of a special book to see if he

can distinguish the colors of hidden shapes, and the peripheral vision

test. He dislikes when they put in the drops to dilate his pupils. Makes

his eyes very sensitive to light for several hours afterwards. If they

plan on doing that, you should probably bring along a pair of allie's

sunglasses. The paper/plastic ones they use here seem made to fit adults

only and they constantly, annoyingly, fall off. Better that the kids

have their own pair that fits well and stays on.

Let us know how it goes, okay?

Aloha,

Georgina

Angie Silver wrote:

>

> Hi Georgina. How are you? Hope you and your family are well!

>

> Allie is doing ok now. She sees the eye doctor on Tuesday. Sedation will be

> involved:0( He has to check her pressures. He is now talking steroid

> intervention....I don't know what this involves. Anyone else have experience

> with the steroid use for uveitis????

>

> Angie

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,

Glad you are back. Keep us up to date on your PS journey.

Manda

> Well, I think I MAY be back in business after several computer

> glitches! Turns out, I have to delete all my mail TWICE (yes

TWICE)

> or I won't recieve any mail and start bouncing!

>

> Haven't caught up yet, hope everyone has been fine.

>

> As for myself, I am doing great. Just had my Halloween party and

it

> went great and our local group continues to do well with their

losses

> and our last two preops now have dates and will soon be post ops!

> (they are RNY and using local Drs.).

>

> I'm now 185lbs., getting very close to my original goal of 180lbs.

I

> have decided that 160lb. will be my new goal, as that is less than

> half of my original weight and small enough for me.

>

> Went to see a PS last week. He said I need a full body lift and

> recommended me to a guy in Kansas City who is the " guru " of " major "

> reconstruction (told ya all I have skin and then some!) and that

this

> guy also CAN get insurance to pay for it !!! So that is good news.

> Will check this guy out more and make an appt. with him soon. HOpe

> to have surgery next year some time but want to line my ducks up

NOW!

>

> Hope you all have a safe and happy Halloween and are doing well too!

> HUGS

> in Ark

> 3-08-01

> 322-185

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So glad to hear that your second injection wasn't as bad as the first.

I don't know about the three month marker but I'm sure Claudine or Doc

can help answer that question. It will also depend on your genotype.

Being a 1B, they didn't even re-run my PCR until the 6 month marker.

Again, I'm sure someone else can answer that question.

I never stopped taking my herbs or vitamins while on treatment and would

continue taking the milk thistle but don't know anything about Szchandra

berries. I'll have to do some research on them. I also have very

minimal faith in western medicine and all through treatment I continued

my chinese medicine and herbs. The only thing I know of for sure that

you can't take while on any interferon is Bupleurum (Xiao Chai Hu). It

has toxic effects when combined with interferon.

Another thing that those of us with liver damage need to be careful of

is Ginseng. I've read many articles about it not being good for people

with liver damage even though it is excellent for everyone else.

Hope some of this helps. Good luck and hang in there!

Blessings

Tatezi

Uddhava Saradadasa wrote:

> ...My 2nd injection wasn't half as bad, though I did start taking

> aspirin earlier on and that seemed to help a lot.... Up till now I've

> treated myself with Milk Thistle and Szchandra berries. I wonder if

> there's any point to continue taking them as long as I'm on the

> peg-intron.

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So glad to hear that your second injection wasn't as bad as the first.

I don't know about the three month marker but I'm sure Claudine or Doc

can help answer that question. It will also depend on your genotype.

Being a 1B, they didn't even re-run my PCR until the 6 month marker.

Again, I'm sure someone else can answer that question.

I never stopped taking my herbs or vitamins while on treatment and would

continue taking the milk thistle but don't know anything about Szchandra

berries. I'll have to do some research on them. I also have very

minimal faith in western medicine and all through treatment I continued

my chinese medicine and herbs. The only thing I know of for sure that

you can't take while on any interferon is Bupleurum (Xiao Chai Hu). It

has toxic effects when combined with interferon.

Another thing that those of us with liver damage need to be careful of

is Ginseng. I've read many articles about it not being good for people

with liver damage even though it is excellent for everyone else.

Hope some of this helps. Good luck and hang in there!

Blessings

Tatezi

Uddhava Saradadasa wrote:

> ...My 2nd injection wasn't half as bad, though I did start taking

> aspirin earlier on and that seemed to help a lot.... Up till now I've

> treated myself with Milk Thistle and Szchandra berries. I wonder if

> there's any point to continue taking them as long as I'm on the

> peg-intron.

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Hi Dhava,

I'm glad your second injection was not as bad!

Hopefully each will get easier.

Yes, you should see a viral response by 3 months!

In fact, a significant drop should be expected by 1

month, although most doctors don't check. One lady in

my local support group went undetectable at one WEEK.

Her PCP accidentally included a PCR while doing other

blood work or she would never have known. Of course,

she was a genotype 3, and realistically, I don't think

this could be expected of a genotype 1 or 4, or even

of all 2s or 3s.

I would continue with the milk thistle and

Szchandra, and would also take vitamin E and C, and

Selenium. Also a good B-complex. NO iron.

There are some risks to interferon and ribavirin,

but they tend to be greatly over stated often at

various internet web sites I've seen. Treatment is not

fun, but it is rarely truly dangerous for most people,

especially if you have a good doctor who is monitoring

you, and treating your side effects. The benefits

greatly outweigh the risks!

Good luck!

Claudine

> I wanted to thank everyone for your support this

> last week. My 2nd injection

> wasn't half as bad, though I did start taking

> aspirin earlier on and that

> seemed to help a lot. I've got a rash at the first

> injection site and on the

> middle and index finger knuckles of both hands,

> but it's not too bad.

>

> I was wondering if it was realistic to expect some

> reduced viral load by

> three months. I am always suspicious of the AMA

> and " western medicine " in

> general and regard Interferon and Riboviran as

> extremely dangerous. I

> believe clearing the virus is worth the danger of

> the peg-intron; but if

> they're not working I'd like to cut 'em lose ASAP.

> I worry about any

> permanent damage they may cause. Up till now I've

> treated myself with Milk

> Thistle and Szchandra berries. I wonder if there's

> any point to continue

> taking them as long as I'm on the peg-intron.

>

> I believe that I contracted hepc in 1956 or 58

> during two heart surgeries I

> had at those times. I've grown up with rashes

> (sensitive skin), degenerative

> joint disease, flu symptoms and fatigue, all of

> which seem to be linked to

> hepc. I was diagnosed in '97.

>

> My best wishes to all, Dhava

>

>

>

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Hi Dhava,

I'm glad your second injection was not as bad!

Hopefully each will get easier.

Yes, you should see a viral response by 3 months!

In fact, a significant drop should be expected by 1

month, although most doctors don't check. One lady in

my local support group went undetectable at one WEEK.

Her PCP accidentally included a PCR while doing other

blood work or she would never have known. Of course,

she was a genotype 3, and realistically, I don't think

this could be expected of a genotype 1 or 4, or even

of all 2s or 3s.

I would continue with the milk thistle and

Szchandra, and would also take vitamin E and C, and

Selenium. Also a good B-complex. NO iron.

There are some risks to interferon and ribavirin,

but they tend to be greatly over stated often at

various internet web sites I've seen. Treatment is not

fun, but it is rarely truly dangerous for most people,

especially if you have a good doctor who is monitoring

you, and treating your side effects. The benefits

greatly outweigh the risks!

Good luck!

Claudine

> I wanted to thank everyone for your support this

> last week. My 2nd injection

> wasn't half as bad, though I did start taking

> aspirin earlier on and that

> seemed to help a lot. I've got a rash at the first

> injection site and on the

> middle and index finger knuckles of both hands,

> but it's not too bad.

>

> I was wondering if it was realistic to expect some

> reduced viral load by

> three months. I am always suspicious of the AMA

> and " western medicine " in

> general and regard Interferon and Riboviran as

> extremely dangerous. I

> believe clearing the virus is worth the danger of

> the peg-intron; but if

> they're not working I'd like to cut 'em lose ASAP.

> I worry about any

> permanent damage they may cause. Up till now I've

> treated myself with Milk

> Thistle and Szchandra berries. I wonder if there's

> any point to continue

> taking them as long as I'm on the peg-intron.

>

> I believe that I contracted hepc in 1956 or 58

> during two heart surgeries I

> had at those times. I've grown up with rashes

> (sensitive skin), degenerative

> joint disease, flu symptoms and fatigue, all of

> which seem to be linked to

> hepc. I was diagnosed in '97.

>

> My best wishes to all, Dhava

>

>

>

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Hi Dhava,

I'm glad your second injection was not as bad!

Hopefully each will get easier.

Yes, you should see a viral response by 3 months!

In fact, a significant drop should be expected by 1

month, although most doctors don't check. One lady in

my local support group went undetectable at one WEEK.

Her PCP accidentally included a PCR while doing other

blood work or she would never have known. Of course,

she was a genotype 3, and realistically, I don't think

this could be expected of a genotype 1 or 4, or even

of all 2s or 3s.

I would continue with the milk thistle and

Szchandra, and would also take vitamin E and C, and

Selenium. Also a good B-complex. NO iron.

There are some risks to interferon and ribavirin,

but they tend to be greatly over stated often at

various internet web sites I've seen. Treatment is not

fun, but it is rarely truly dangerous for most people,

especially if you have a good doctor who is monitoring

you, and treating your side effects. The benefits

greatly outweigh the risks!

Good luck!

Claudine

> I wanted to thank everyone for your support this

> last week. My 2nd injection

> wasn't half as bad, though I did start taking

> aspirin earlier on and that

> seemed to help a lot. I've got a rash at the first

> injection site and on the

> middle and index finger knuckles of both hands,

> but it's not too bad.

>

> I was wondering if it was realistic to expect some

> reduced viral load by

> three months. I am always suspicious of the AMA

> and " western medicine " in

> general and regard Interferon and Riboviran as

> extremely dangerous. I

> believe clearing the virus is worth the danger of

> the peg-intron; but if

> they're not working I'd like to cut 'em lose ASAP.

> I worry about any

> permanent damage they may cause. Up till now I've

> treated myself with Milk

> Thistle and Szchandra berries. I wonder if there's

> any point to continue

> taking them as long as I'm on the peg-intron.

>

> I believe that I contracted hepc in 1956 or 58

> during two heart surgeries I

> had at those times. I've grown up with rashes

> (sensitive skin), degenerative

> joint disease, flu symptoms and fatigue, all of

> which seem to be linked to

> hepc. I was diagnosed in '97.

>

> My best wishes to all, Dhava

>

>

>

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Hi Dhava,

I'm glad your second injection was not as bad!

Hopefully each will get easier.

Yes, you should see a viral response by 3 months!

In fact, a significant drop should be expected by 1

month, although most doctors don't check. One lady in

my local support group went undetectable at one WEEK.

Her PCP accidentally included a PCR while doing other

blood work or she would never have known. Of course,

she was a genotype 3, and realistically, I don't think

this could be expected of a genotype 1 or 4, or even

of all 2s or 3s.

I would continue with the milk thistle and

Szchandra, and would also take vitamin E and C, and

Selenium. Also a good B-complex. NO iron.

There are some risks to interferon and ribavirin,

but they tend to be greatly over stated often at

various internet web sites I've seen. Treatment is not

fun, but it is rarely truly dangerous for most people,

especially if you have a good doctor who is monitoring

you, and treating your side effects. The benefits

greatly outweigh the risks!

Good luck!

Claudine

> I wanted to thank everyone for your support this

> last week. My 2nd injection

> wasn't half as bad, though I did start taking

> aspirin earlier on and that

> seemed to help a lot. I've got a rash at the first

> injection site and on the

> middle and index finger knuckles of both hands,

> but it's not too bad.

>

> I was wondering if it was realistic to expect some

> reduced viral load by

> three months. I am always suspicious of the AMA

> and " western medicine " in

> general and regard Interferon and Riboviran as

> extremely dangerous. I

> believe clearing the virus is worth the danger of

> the peg-intron; but if

> they're not working I'd like to cut 'em lose ASAP.

> I worry about any

> permanent damage they may cause. Up till now I've

> treated myself with Milk

> Thistle and Szchandra berries. I wonder if there's

> any point to continue

> taking them as long as I'm on the peg-intron.

>

> I believe that I contracted hepc in 1956 or 58

> during two heart surgeries I

> had at those times. I've grown up with rashes

> (sensitive skin), degenerative

> joint disease, flu symptoms and fatigue, all of

> which seem to be linked to

> hepc. I was diagnosed in '97.

>

> My best wishes to all, Dhava

>

>

>

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Dhava,

That's a long damn time to have hep C! Yeah I'd say a lot of those symptoms

are hep c related.

It's possible to have an undetected viral load by the 3rd month, but if it

isn't undetected then it doesn't mean it won't be nor that it won't stay

undetected if and when you go. I know one lady who was so determined to get

and stay undetected, she took interferon for 2 years and didn't go

undetected till after the first year (she discontinued the ribavirin after

the required 48 weeks) and she has been undetected for hep c now 3 years

post treatment. So never say never!

I don't blame you not wanting to get permanent damage from the treatment and

a lot of people do get some kind of problems that continue after treatment.

I know the medical brochures don't say that, but I talk to a lot of heppers

online and at support groups and you're right, it's not an easy treatment.

My thinking is that we each have to evaluate our situation and weigh the

pros and cons and just hope we make the right decision. If, like me, you

don't have a lot of liver damage, treatment might be something you don't

want to do yet. Sometimes it is better to treat the symptoms and just watch

the progress of the disease.

I got the " riba rash " the last month of my treatment and it went away about

a month after I finished. Then I got THIS rash which nobody knows what it is

or why, so I'm doing another round of medications for weird stuff like

scabies and a cortisone shot and some steriod medication. I have to admit, I

didn't scratch once today so something is finally working after 5 miserable

months of itching.

Dhava I wish you the best. We'll support whatever decision you make about

your treatment. Best to discuss it with your doc too. Let him/her know your

thoughts and how it affects your health.

Good luck!

alley

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Dhava,

That's a long damn time to have hep C! Yeah I'd say a lot of those symptoms

are hep c related.

It's possible to have an undetected viral load by the 3rd month, but if it

isn't undetected then it doesn't mean it won't be nor that it won't stay

undetected if and when you go. I know one lady who was so determined to get

and stay undetected, she took interferon for 2 years and didn't go

undetected till after the first year (she discontinued the ribavirin after

the required 48 weeks) and she has been undetected for hep c now 3 years

post treatment. So never say never!

I don't blame you not wanting to get permanent damage from the treatment and

a lot of people do get some kind of problems that continue after treatment.

I know the medical brochures don't say that, but I talk to a lot of heppers

online and at support groups and you're right, it's not an easy treatment.

My thinking is that we each have to evaluate our situation and weigh the

pros and cons and just hope we make the right decision. If, like me, you

don't have a lot of liver damage, treatment might be something you don't

want to do yet. Sometimes it is better to treat the symptoms and just watch

the progress of the disease.

I got the " riba rash " the last month of my treatment and it went away about

a month after I finished. Then I got THIS rash which nobody knows what it is

or why, so I'm doing another round of medications for weird stuff like

scabies and a cortisone shot and some steriod medication. I have to admit, I

didn't scratch once today so something is finally working after 5 miserable

months of itching.

Dhava I wish you the best. We'll support whatever decision you make about

your treatment. Best to discuss it with your doc too. Let him/her know your

thoughts and how it affects your health.

Good luck!

alley

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Dhava,

That's a long damn time to have hep C! Yeah I'd say a lot of those symptoms

are hep c related.

It's possible to have an undetected viral load by the 3rd month, but if it

isn't undetected then it doesn't mean it won't be nor that it won't stay

undetected if and when you go. I know one lady who was so determined to get

and stay undetected, she took interferon for 2 years and didn't go

undetected till after the first year (she discontinued the ribavirin after

the required 48 weeks) and she has been undetected for hep c now 3 years

post treatment. So never say never!

I don't blame you not wanting to get permanent damage from the treatment and

a lot of people do get some kind of problems that continue after treatment.

I know the medical brochures don't say that, but I talk to a lot of heppers

online and at support groups and you're right, it's not an easy treatment.

My thinking is that we each have to evaluate our situation and weigh the

pros and cons and just hope we make the right decision. If, like me, you

don't have a lot of liver damage, treatment might be something you don't

want to do yet. Sometimes it is better to treat the symptoms and just watch

the progress of the disease.

I got the " riba rash " the last month of my treatment and it went away about

a month after I finished. Then I got THIS rash which nobody knows what it is

or why, so I'm doing another round of medications for weird stuff like

scabies and a cortisone shot and some steriod medication. I have to admit, I

didn't scratch once today so something is finally working after 5 miserable

months of itching.

Dhava I wish you the best. We'll support whatever decision you make about

your treatment. Best to discuss it with your doc too. Let him/her know your

thoughts and how it affects your health.

Good luck!

alley

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Dhava,

That's a long damn time to have hep C! Yeah I'd say a lot of those symptoms

are hep c related.

It's possible to have an undetected viral load by the 3rd month, but if it

isn't undetected then it doesn't mean it won't be nor that it won't stay

undetected if and when you go. I know one lady who was so determined to get

and stay undetected, she took interferon for 2 years and didn't go

undetected till after the first year (she discontinued the ribavirin after

the required 48 weeks) and she has been undetected for hep c now 3 years

post treatment. So never say never!

I don't blame you not wanting to get permanent damage from the treatment and

a lot of people do get some kind of problems that continue after treatment.

I know the medical brochures don't say that, but I talk to a lot of heppers

online and at support groups and you're right, it's not an easy treatment.

My thinking is that we each have to evaluate our situation and weigh the

pros and cons and just hope we make the right decision. If, like me, you

don't have a lot of liver damage, treatment might be something you don't

want to do yet. Sometimes it is better to treat the symptoms and just watch

the progress of the disease.

I got the " riba rash " the last month of my treatment and it went away about

a month after I finished. Then I got THIS rash which nobody knows what it is

or why, so I'm doing another round of medications for weird stuff like

scabies and a cortisone shot and some steriod medication. I have to admit, I

didn't scratch once today so something is finally working after 5 miserable

months of itching.

Dhava I wish you the best. We'll support whatever decision you make about

your treatment. Best to discuss it with your doc too. Let him/her know your

thoughts and how it affects your health.

Good luck!

alley

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Tat said <<Another thing that those of us with liver damage need to be

careful of

is Ginseng. I've read many articles about it not being good for people

with liver damage even though it is excellent for everyone else.>>

I haven't read anything too negative on ginseng except that it is a blood

thinner. What info do you have?

I ask cuz I take a lot of ginseng, gingko and mah huang (sp) so I can work.

Otherwise I'm just a tired blob of human blubber lol.

alley

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Tat said <<Another thing that those of us with liver damage need to be

careful of

is Ginseng. I've read many articles about it not being good for people

with liver damage even though it is excellent for everyone else.>>

I haven't read anything too negative on ginseng except that it is a blood

thinner. What info do you have?

I ask cuz I take a lot of ginseng, gingko and mah huang (sp) so I can work.

Otherwise I'm just a tired blob of human blubber lol.

alley

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Tat said <<Another thing that those of us with liver damage need to be

careful of

is Ginseng. I've read many articles about it not being good for people

with liver damage even though it is excellent for everyone else.>>

I haven't read anything too negative on ginseng except that it is a blood

thinner. What info do you have?

I ask cuz I take a lot of ginseng, gingko and mah huang (sp) so I can work.

Otherwise I'm just a tired blob of human blubber lol.

alley

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Tat said <<Another thing that those of us with liver damage need to be

careful of

is Ginseng. I've read many articles about it not being good for people

with liver damage even though it is excellent for everyone else.>>

I haven't read anything too negative on ginseng except that it is a blood

thinner. What info do you have?

I ask cuz I take a lot of ginseng, gingko and mah huang (sp) so I can work.

Otherwise I'm just a tired blob of human blubber lol.

alley

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Alley...

I'll have to go through my books to get the sources and probably can't

get to that for a few days.

I too have been laid off but the company got us this outplace thing. Not

headhunters, but a series of seminars on identifying your skills, resume

writing and fine tuning, marketing yourself and interview techniques.

The have an online workbook and I'm one module behind which means I go

into tomorrow's session unprepared again. I'd be okay except Tuesday I

spent the day doing a brochure and sample web page for my dentist...had

an emergency after my layoff and am trying to work the bartering system

out with him.

So even though I'm unemployed, I'm swampped. Tomorrow I interview with a

them/perm job placement place in the am and the outplacement center in

the afternoon. And this weekend I have to get the two modules I'll be

behind by then done.

BTW, gingseng is also excellent for building immune systems and also

creates natural interferon. Don't remember why it's bad for damaged

livers just made a note not to take it because of that. You know....that

was back in the rebetron/thyroid gone brain fog days.

Gotta scoot....want to finish mail and get to bed because I have an

early morning and a busy day.

Blessings

Tatezi

....AI haven't read anything too negative on ginseng except that it is a

blood thinner. What info do you have?...

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Hi Dhava

After seeing some info on this list about milk thistle having an adverse

effect with interferon I decided to stop taking it until after I completed

treatment. I saved myself some money by doing so.

love Sylv

Hello Everyone!

> I wanted to thank everyone for your support this last week. My 2nd

injection

> wasn't half as bad, though I did start taking aspirin earlier on and that

> seemed to help a lot. I've got a rash at the first injection site and on

the

> middle and index finger knuckles of both hands, but it's not too bad.

>

> I was wondering if it was realistic to expect some reduced viral load by

> three months. I am always suspicious of the AMA and " western medicine " in

> general and regard Interferon and Riboviran as extremely dangerous. I

> believe clearing the virus is worth the danger of the peg-intron; but if

> they're not working I'd like to cut 'em lose ASAP. I worry about any

> permanent damage they may cause. Up till now I've treated myself with Milk

> Thistle and Szchandra berries. I wonder if there's any point to continue

> taking them as long as I'm on the peg-intron.

>

> I believe that I contracted hepc in 1956 or 58 during two heart surgeries

I

> had at those times. I've grown up with rashes (sensitive skin),

degenerative

> joint disease, flu symptoms and fatigue, all of which seem to be linked to

> hepc. I was diagnosed in '97.

>

> My best wishes to all, Dhava

>

>

>

>

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Hi Dhava

After seeing some info on this list about milk thistle having an adverse

effect with interferon I decided to stop taking it until after I completed

treatment. I saved myself some money by doing so.

love Sylv

Hello Everyone!

> I wanted to thank everyone for your support this last week. My 2nd

injection

> wasn't half as bad, though I did start taking aspirin earlier on and that

> seemed to help a lot. I've got a rash at the first injection site and on

the

> middle and index finger knuckles of both hands, but it's not too bad.

>

> I was wondering if it was realistic to expect some reduced viral load by

> three months. I am always suspicious of the AMA and " western medicine " in

> general and regard Interferon and Riboviran as extremely dangerous. I

> believe clearing the virus is worth the danger of the peg-intron; but if

> they're not working I'd like to cut 'em lose ASAP. I worry about any

> permanent damage they may cause. Up till now I've treated myself with Milk

> Thistle and Szchandra berries. I wonder if there's any point to continue

> taking them as long as I'm on the peg-intron.

>

> I believe that I contracted hepc in 1956 or 58 during two heart surgeries

I

> had at those times. I've grown up with rashes (sensitive skin),

degenerative

> joint disease, flu symptoms and fatigue, all of which seem to be linked to

> hepc. I was diagnosed in '97.

>

> My best wishes to all, Dhava

>

>

>

>

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I'm very confused about this message...I have never read or heard

anything about milk thistle having adverse reactions with interferon and

I believe that everyone on the list has been taking milk thistle since

learning of it's benefits for the liver. It is the chinese herb

bupleurum that has adverse effects with interferon.

I took milk thistle all through tx and never had a problem. Now that I

have joined the ranks of the unemployed and have not had money to buy

milk thistle, I have noticed a distinct difference in my fatigue level.

Enough of a difference that I am considering putting down my

hyperthyroid cat whose meds are so expensive so I can get back on milk

thistle and my hopefully my vitamins too.

Tatezi.

sylvati wrote:

> Hi Dhava

>

> After seeing some info on this list about milk thistle having an

> adverse

> effect with interferon I decided to stop taking it until after I

> completed

> treatment. I saved myself some money by doing so.

--

" ... democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people

for the people. " ~ Wilde~

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I'm very confused about this message...I have never read or heard

anything about milk thistle having adverse reactions with interferon and

I believe that everyone on the list has been taking milk thistle since

learning of it's benefits for the liver. It is the chinese herb

bupleurum that has adverse effects with interferon.

I took milk thistle all through tx and never had a problem. Now that I

have joined the ranks of the unemployed and have not had money to buy

milk thistle, I have noticed a distinct difference in my fatigue level.

Enough of a difference that I am considering putting down my

hyperthyroid cat whose meds are so expensive so I can get back on milk

thistle and my hopefully my vitamins too.

Tatezi.

sylvati wrote:

> Hi Dhava

>

> After seeing some info on this list about milk thistle having an

> adverse

> effect with interferon I decided to stop taking it until after I

> completed

> treatment. I saved myself some money by doing so.

--

" ... democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people

for the people. " ~ Wilde~

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