Re: Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

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Hi Teri

Transmission of HCV via insect bites is NOT very likely.

'Another potential, yet unlikely, route of transmission involves insects. Theoretically, transmission by insects can only occur if an insect bites an HCV-infected person and then immediately bites someone else. In this way, the HCV-tainted blood could enter the second person. Viruses other than HCV, such as yellow fever and dengue, have been shown to spread by this route. One study conducted in New Jersey concluded that mosquitoes are unlikely agents of transmission of HCV. Therefore, while not believed to be a significant source of HCV transmission, further investigation into the area of insect transmission is needed'.

http://www.liverdisease.com/transmissionhcv.html

BUT - having said that.....I caught West Niles Meningitis [West Nile Virus] from a misquito bite in Kansas, back about 2004-5.

I was in the ICU for 11 days, and the hospital for 21 days total.

I almost died. I was very very sick.

I was one of the first WNM infected people in the State, and the hospital had to fly in a CDC doctor from Atlanta Georgia to treat me.

I do not trust what is said about misquitos not being able to pass on HCV.

The HCV virus can live outside the body for several days.

If a misquito bites a Hepper, there is bound to be blood on the outside of a misquito's proboscis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Culex_pipiens_diagram_en.svg

So, now that everybody is freaked out, I will stop with this - AVOID MISQUITO'S.

They do carry diseases.

Maybe not HCV, but the dang critters will make you itch.

love

don in ks

From: Theresa Gottlieb <theresagottlieb@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers? Date: Saturday, August 7, 2010, 8:35 PM

Okay, add another way of getting infected to our lists! Indoor rock climbing, early dental work, ear piercings... Everybody put your guilt in a drawer and forget about it. No telling HOW we got infected. And if I ever test positive again I'm gonna blame it on these damn mosquitos that are trying to eat me alive as I sit outside! Yep, I think they can transfer it too. Where are the mosquito abatement trucks when you need them? Boy do we need them.Killing skeeters in Gurnee,Teri

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Subject: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

A recent UIAA medical study reports that climbers may be at an increased risk of contracting Hepatitis and HIV.

It seems that these blood-borne diseases can be transmitted through blood left behind on climbing holds and that indoor climbers are particularly susceptible to this form of transmission.

The study concluded that there is a risk of blood-to-blood transmission in climbing if a climber with a bleeding wound leaves drops of blood on a handhold and another climber with skin lacerations or a comes into contact with this blood.

As most climbers suffer from cuts on their fingers and hands, the UIAA Medical Commission recommends that indoor climbers with active bleeding, “be removed from the event as soon as this is practical. Bleeding must be controlled and the wound cleansed with soap and water or antiseptic.

Climbing holds with blood stains need to be cleaned and brushed, if necessary with antiseptic or disinfectant. They need to dry out before re-use.â€

“Sustaining cuts, abrasions or lacerations, typically on the fingertips in contact with holds, is a common occurrence in climbing,†say the medical experts in the document, the most recent recommendations document to be published on the UIAA website.

The Medical Commission reminds climbers of the seriousness of blood-borne infections, with millions of people suffering from HIV, and hundreds of millions with either hepatitis B or C.

l

http://www.climb. co.za/

http://Hepatitis Cne wdrugs.blogspot. com/2010/ 08/hepatitishiv- risk-for- climbers. html

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Holy TeriThat's a very interesting thought!!! Except for the fact that they actually suck up one's blood and are not known for depositing it.Gloria

Okay, add another way of getting infected to our lists! Indoor rock climbing, early dental work, ear piercings... Everybody put your guilt in a drawer and forget about it. No telling HOW we got infected. And if I ever test positive again I'm gonna blame it on these damn mosquitos that are trying to eat me alive as I sit outside! Yep, I think they can transfer it too. Where are the mosquito abatement trucks when you need them? Boy do we need them.Killing skeeters in Gurnee,TeriSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Christ <ludichrist2000>

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Subject: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

A recent UIAA medical study reports that climbers may be at an increased risk of contracting Hepatitis and HIV.

It seems that these blood-borne diseases can be transmitted through blood left behind on climbing holds and that indoor climbers are particularly susceptible to this form of transmission.

The study concluded that there is a risk of blood-to-blood transmission in climbing if a climber with a bleeding wound leaves drops of blood on a handhold and another climber with skin lacerations or a comes into contact with this blood.

As most climbers suffer from cuts on their fingers and hands, the UIAA Medical Commission recommends that indoor climbers with active bleeding, “be removed from the event as soon as this is practical. Bleeding must be controlled and the wound cleansed with soap and water or antiseptic.

Climbing holds with blood stains need to be cleaned and brushed, if necessary with antiseptic or disinfectant. They need to dry out before re-use.â€

“Sustaining cuts, abrasions or lacerations, typically on the fingertips in contact with holds, is a common occurrence in climbing,†say the medical experts in the document, the most recent recommendations document to be published on the UIAA website.

The Medical Commission reminds climbers of the seriousness of blood-borne infections, with millions of people suffering from HIV, and hundreds of millions with either hepatitis B or C.

l

http://www.climb. co.za/

http://Hepatitis Cne wdrugs.blogspot. com/2010/ 08/hepatitishiv- risk-for- climbers. html

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By the way - they say that "Skin So Soft" is the best solution to mosquito's. Unfortunately, I didn't learn that until after I left the mainland the last time. Sure, we have them here; but, not nearly as bad. Probably because living on a great huge rock doesn't leave much room for the swampy areas that the bug likes.

Okay, add another way of getting infected to our lists! Indoor rock climbing, early dental work, ear piercings... Everybody put your guilt in a drawer and forget about it. No telling HOW we got infected. And if I ever test positive again I'm gonna blame it on these damn mosquitos that are trying to eat me alive as I sit outside! Yep, I think they can transfer it too. Where are the mosquito abatement trucks when you need them? Boy do we need them.Killing skeeters in Gurnee,TeriSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Christ <ludichrist2000>

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Subject: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

A recent UIAA medical study reports that climbers may be at an increased risk of contracting Hepatitis and HIV.

It seems that these blood-borne diseases can be transmitted through blood left behind on climbing holds and that indoor climbers are particularly susceptible to this form of transmission.

The study concluded that there is a risk of blood-to-blood transmission in climbing if a climber with a bleeding wound leaves drops of blood on a handhold and another climber with skin lacerations or a comes into contact with this blood.

As most climbers suffer from cuts on their fingers and hands, the UIAA Medical Commission recommends that indoor climbers with active bleeding, “be removed from the event as soon as this is practical. Bleeding must be controlled and the wound cleansed with soap and water or antiseptic.

Climbing holds with blood stains need to be cleaned and brushed, if necessary with antiseptic or disinfectant. They need to dry out before re-use.â€

“Sustaining cuts, abrasions or lacerations, typically on the fingertips in contact with holds, is a common occurrence in climbing,†say the medical experts in the document, the most recent recommendations document to be published on the UIAA website.

The Medical Commission reminds climbers of the seriousness of blood-borne infections, with millions of people suffering from HIV, and hundreds of millions with either hepatitis B or C.

l

http://www.climb. co.za/

http://Hepatitis Cne wdrugs.blogspot. com/2010/ 08/hepatitishiv- risk-for- climbers. html

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DonWhy would it be necessary to bite the second person immediately?? The HCV virus lives for days as it is.

Hi Teri

Transmission of HCV via insect bites is NOT very likely.

'Another potential, yet unlikely, route of transmission involves insects. Theoretically, transmission by insects can only occur if an insect bites an HCV-infected person and then immediately bites someone else. In this way, the HCV-tainted blood could enter the second person. Viruses other than HCV, such as yellow fever and dengue, have been shown to spread by this route. One study conducted in New Jersey concluded that mosquitoes are unlikely agents of transmission of HCV. Therefore, while not believed to be a significant source of HCV transmission, further investigation into the area of insect transmission is needed'.

http://www.liverdis ease.com/ transmissionhcv. html

BUT - having said that.....I caught West Niles Meningitis [West Nile Virus] from a misquito bite in Kansas, back about 2004-5.

I was in the ICU for 11 days, and the hospital for 21 days total.

I almost died. I was very very sick.

I was one of the first WNM infected people in the State, and the hospital had to fly in a CDC doctor from Atlanta Georgia to treat me.

I do not trust what is said about misquitos not being able to pass on HCV.

The HCV virus can live outside the body for several days.

If a misquito bites a Hepper, there is bound to be blood on the outside of a misquito's proboscis.

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ File:Culex_ pipiens_diagram_ en.svg

So, now that everybody is freaked out, I will stop with this - AVOID MISQUITO'S.

They do carry diseases.

Maybe not HCV, but the dang critters will make you itch.

love

don in ks

From: Theresa Gottlieb <theresagottlieb>Subject: Re: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers? Date: Saturday, August 7, 2010, 8:35 PM

Okay, add another way of getting infected to our lists! Indoor rock climbing, early dental work, ear piercings... Everybody put your guilt in a drawer and forget about it. No telling HOW we got infected. And if I ever test positive again I'm gonna blame it on these damn mosquitos that are trying to eat me alive as I sit outside! Yep, I think they can transfer it too. Where are the mosquito abatement trucks when you need them? Boy do we need them.Killing skeeters in Gurnee,Teri

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Subject: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

A recent UIAA medical study reports that climbers may be at an increased risk of contracting Hepatitis and HIV.

It seems that these blood-borne diseases can be transmitted through blood left behind on climbing holds and that indoor climbers are particularly susceptible to this form of transmission.

The study concluded that there is a risk of blood-to-blood transmission in climbing if a climber with a bleeding wound leaves drops of blood on a handhold and another climber with skin lacerations or a comes into contact with this blood.

As most climbers suffer from cuts on their fingers and hands, the UIAA Medical Commission recommends that indoor climbers with active bleeding, “be removed from the event as soon as this is practical. Bleeding must be controlled and the wound cleansed with soap and water or antiseptic.

Climbing holds with blood stains need to be cleaned and brushed, if necessary with antiseptic or disinfectant. They need to dry out before re-use.â€

“Sustaining cuts, abrasions or lacerations, typically on the fingertips in contact with holds, is a common occurrence in climbing,†say the medical experts in the document, the most recent recommendations document to be published on the UIAA website.

The Medical Commission reminds climbers of the seriousness of blood-borne infections, with millions of people suffering from HIV, and hundreds of millions with either hepatitis B or C.

l

http://www.climb. co.za/

http://Hepatitis Cne wdrugs.blogspot. com/2010/ 08/hepatitishiv- risk-for- climbers. html

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Gloria,Think about it.. if they bite someone with the virus then bite someone who doesn't have it, couldn't there be traces of the previous bite blood on their stingers? It could happen. I know when I was in lab school we learned about several different diseases that could be passed by a mosquito. Hugs,TeriFrom: Gloria <gadamscan@...> Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 2:27:25 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

Holy TeriThat's a very interesting thought!!! Except for the fact that they actually suck up one's blood and are not known for depositing it.Gloria

Okay, add another way of getting infected to our lists! Indoor rock climbing, early dental work, ear piercings... Everybody put your guilt in a drawer and forget about it. No telling HOW we got infected. And if I ever test positive again I'm gonna blame it on these damn mosquitos that are trying to eat me alive as I sit outside! Yep, I think they can transfer it too. Where are the mosquito abatement trucks when you need them? Boy do we need them.Killing skeeters in Gurnee,TeriSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Christ <ludichrist2000>

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Subject: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

A recent UIAA medical study reports that climbers may be at an increased risk of contracting Hepatitis and HIV.

It seems that these blood-borne diseases can be transmitted through blood left behind on climbing holds and that indoor climbers are particularly susceptible to this form of transmission.

The study concluded that there is a risk of blood-to-blood transmission in climbing if a climber with a bleeding wound leaves drops of blood on a handhold and another climber with skin lacerations or a comes into contact with this blood.

As most climbers suffer from cuts on their fingers and hands, the UIAA Medical Commission recommends that indoor climbers with active bleeding, “be removed from the event as soon as this is practical. Bleeding must be controlled and the wound cleansed with soap and water or antiseptic.

Climbing holds with blood stains need to be cleaned and brushed, if necessary with antiseptic or disinfectant. They need to dry out before re-use.â€

“Sustaining cuts, abrasions or lacerations, typically on the fingertips in contact with holds, is a common occurrence in climbing,†say the medical experts in the document, the most recent recommendations document to be published on the UIAA website.

The Medical Commission reminds climbers of the seriousness of blood-borne infections, with millions of people suffering from HIV, and hundreds of millions with either hepatitis B or C.

l

http://www.climb. co.za/

http://Hepatitis Cne wdrugs.blogspot. com/2010/ 08/hepatitishiv- risk-for- climbers. html

[Guest guest]

Anyone think about the Panama canal during its construction,Yellow fever was a

major problem.Why? Mosquitoes...

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> Gloria,

> Think about it.. if they bite someone with the virus then bite someone who

> doesn't have it, couldn't there be traces of the previous bite blood on their

> stingers? It could happen. I know when I was in lab school we learned about

> several different diseases that could be passed by a mosquito.

>

> Hugs,

> Teri

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> ________________________________

> From: Gloria <gadamscan@...>

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> Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 2:27:25 AM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

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> Holy Teri

>

> That's a very interesting thought!!! Except for the fact that they actually

> suck up one's blood and are not known for depositing it.

>

> Gloria

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> Okay, add another way of getting infected to our lists! Indoor rock climbing,

> early dental work, ear piercings... Everybody put your guilt in a drawer and

> forget about it. No telling HOW we got infected. And if I ever test positive

> again I'm gonna blame it on these damn mosquitos that are trying to eat me

alive

> as I sit outside! Yep, I think they can transfer it too. Where are the

> mosquito abatement trucks when you need them? Boy do we need them.

>

> Killing skeeters in Gurnee,

> Teri

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> ________________________________

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> From: Christ <ludichrist2000>

> Sender:

> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:27:32 -0700 (PDT)

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> Subject: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

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> Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

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> A recent UIAA medical study reports that climbers may be at an increased risk

of

> contracting Hepatitis and HIV.

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> It seems that these blood-borne diseases can be transmitted through blood left

> behind on climbing holds and that indoor climbers are particularly susceptible

> to this form of transmission.

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> The study concluded that there is a risk of blood-to-blood transmission in

> climbing if a climber with a bleeding wound leaves drops of blood on a

handhold

> and another climber with skin lacerations or a comes into contact with this

> blood.

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> As most climbers suffer from cuts on their fingers and hands, the UIAA Medical

> Commission recommends that indoor climbers with active bleeding, “be removed

> from the event as soon as this is practical. Bleeding must be controlled and

the

> wound cleansed with soap and water or antiseptic.

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> Climbing holds with blood stains need to be cleaned and brushed, if necessary

> with antiseptic or disinfectant. They need to dry out before re-use.â€

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> “Sustaining cuts, abrasions or lacerations, typically on the fingertips in

> contact with holds, is a common occurrence in climbing,†say the medical

experts

> in the document, the most recent recommendations document to be published on

the

> UIAA website.

>

>

>

> The Medical Commission reminds climbers of the seriousness of blood-borne

> infections, with millions of people suffering from HIV, and hundreds of

millions

> with either hepatitis B or C.

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> l

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> http://www.climb. co.za/

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> http://Hepatitis Cne wdrugs.blogspot. com/2010/ 08/hepatitishiv- risk-for-

> climbers. html

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[Guest guest]

We have a mosquito deposit right down the way from us. We don't allow them out of their territory. We don't like illegal aliens. Them damn mosquitos coming here after our blood. They can just go and suck on someone elses blood. Cinder

From: Gloria <gadamscan@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers? Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 2:27 AM

Holy TeriThat's a very interesting thought!!! Except for the fact that they actually suck up one's blood and are not known for depositing it.Gloria

Okay, add another way of getting infected to our lists! Indoor rock climbing, early dental work, ear piercings... Everybody put your guilt in a drawer and forget about it. No telling HOW we got infected. And if I ever test positive again I'm gonna blame it on these damn mosquitos that are trying to eat me alive as I sit outside! Yep, I think they can transfer it too. Where are the mosquito abatement trucks when you need them? Boy do we need them.Killing skeeters in Gurnee,Teri

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Subject: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

A recent UIAA medical study reports that climbers may be at an increased risk of contracting Hepatitis and HIV.

It seems that these blood-borne diseases can be transmitted through blood left behind on climbing holds and that indoor climbers are particularly susceptible to this form of transmission.

The study concluded that there is a risk of blood-to-blood transmission in climbing if a climber with a bleeding wound leaves drops of blood on a handhold and another climber with skin lacerations or a comes into contact with this blood.

As most climbers suffer from cuts on their fingers and hands, the UIAA Medical Commission recommends that indoor climbers with active bleeding, “be removed from the event as soon as this is practical. Bleeding must be controlled and the wound cleansed with soap and water or antiseptic.

Climbing holds with blood stains need to be cleaned and brushed, if necessary with antiseptic or disinfectant. They need to dry out before re-use.â€

“Sustaining cuts, abrasions or lacerations, typically on the fingertips in contact with holds, is a common occurrence in climbing,†say the medical experts in the document, the most recent recommendations document to be published on the UIAA website.

The Medical Commission reminds climbers of the seriousness of blood-borne infections, with millions of people suffering from HIV, and hundreds of millions with either hepatitis B or C.

l

http://www.climb. co.za/

http://Hepatitis Cne wdrugs.blogspot. com/2010/ 08/hepatitishiv- risk-for- climbers. html

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TeriI honestly don't know and really think it is an interesting discussion. When we consider how many other diseases that mosquito's can pass - I would really have to agree that it could be possible.I was just thinking that the bite, as we call it, is really when they are sucking up our blood. But, then, how do they pass on things like West Nile if they don't deposit as well.Very interesting.

Gloria,Think about it.. if they bite someone with the virus then bite someone who doesn't have it, couldn't there be traces of the previous bite blood on their stingers? It could happen. I know when I was in lab school we learned about several different diseases that could be passed by a mosquito. Hugs,TeriFrom: Gloria <gadamscan (DOT) ca> Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 2:27:25 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

Holy TeriThat's a very interesting thought!!! Except for the fact that they actually suck up one's blood and are not known for depositing it.Gloria

Okay, add another way of getting infected to our lists! Indoor rock climbing, early dental work, ear piercings... Everybody put your guilt in a drawer and forget about it. No telling HOW we got infected. And if I ever test positive again I'm gonna blame it on these damn mosquitos that are trying to eat me alive as I sit outside! Yep, I think they can transfer it too. Where are the mosquito abatement trucks when you need them? Boy do we need them.Killing skeeters in Gurnee,TeriSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Christ <ludichrist2000>

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Subject: [ ] Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

Hepatitis/HIV Risk for Climbers?

A recent UIAA medical study reports that climbers may be at an increased risk of contracting Hepatitis and HIV.

It seems that these blood-borne diseases can be transmitted through blood left behind on climbing holds and that indoor climbers are particularly susceptible to this form of transmission.

The study concluded that there is a risk of blood-to-blood transmission in climbing if a climber with a bleeding wound leaves drops of blood on a handhold and another climber with skin lacerations or a comes into contact with this blood.

As most climbers suffer from cuts on their fingers and hands, the UIAA Medical Commission recommends that indoor climbers with active bleeding, “be removed from the event as soon as this is practical. Bleeding must be controlled and the wound cleansed with soap and water or antiseptic.

Climbing holds with blood stains need to be cleaned and brushed, if necessary with antiseptic or disinfectant. They need to dry out before re-use.â€

“Sustaining cuts, abrasions or lacerations, typically on the fingertips in contact with holds, is a common occurrence in climbing,†say the medical experts in the document, the most recent recommendations document to be published on the UIAA website.

The Medical Commission reminds climbers of the seriousness of blood-borne infections, with millions of people suffering from HIV, and hundreds of millions with either hepatitis B or C.

l

http://www.climb. co.za/

http://Hepatitis Cne wdrugs.blogspot. com/2010/ 08/hepatitishiv- risk-for- climbers. html