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I would also appreciate any information about Chinese herbalists/alternative

healers that are based in the UK. Please can anyone give names and numbers

of such people.

Thanks

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refer to www.dragonherbs.com and look under cfs/immune sections

> I'm reading a book on Chinese medicine Healing Your Body With Whole

> Foods " and am tryying to figure out if CFS is considered a " hot " or

> " cold " illness. I thought someone with more understanding of the

Chinese

> system could help me.

>

> Phil

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Where do you buy the Bu Nao Wan?

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Hi! Phil

My holistic practitioner/medical doctor uses Chinese herbs (among other

things) and it is incredibly complicated. Not only can symptoms indicate hot

or cold, etc, but the supplements you take are

also hot or cold. For example, Korean Red Ginseng is hot, Cdn (Siberian)

Ginseng is cold.

If you can find an acupuncturist that practices chinese medicine, he might

help you find medicines that help with your symptoms. They do not have CFS

in chinese medicine that I know of, so you

would probably be treated for spleen and adrenal exhaustion and fatigue.

He had me take Bu Nao Wan to reduce difficulty falling asleep due to

tiredness and fatigue. They were fun, little red balls. 300 pills for $3.50

(Cdn). I only took one bottle and didn't need them

anymore.

Hope that helps.

Merle

Phil Comer wrote:

> I'm reading a book on Chinese medicine Healing Your Body With Whole

> Foods " and am tryying to figure out if CFS is considered a " hot " or

> " cold " illness. I thought someone with more understanding of the Chinese

> system could help me.

>

> Phil

>

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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Hi!

Any Chinese medicine store should have it. We have a Chinese supplement store in

conjunction with a Chinese supermarket that has a person qualified to make a

diagnosis. I really wouldn't recommend

just buying them without a consultation.

To give you an example, I was given some bladder pills years ago, and I happened

to have a cat that was scheduled for an operation to clear the crystals out of

her urinary system because she was

getting plugged up. She got very sick before the operation and I gave her 3

pills and it cleared out her system completely. There is nothing comparable in

medical or veterinary cupboards.

If you're having trouble sleeping, have you tried Valerian, that's what I used

to get my sleep cycle re-established. I also take the occasional melatonin.

If you want to buy the Bu Nao Wan, one of the words is the name of the company,

I think it is the Wan (not sure) but if you see something Bu Nao Tan, (or any

other name), it is the same thing.

Merle

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> Where do you buy the Bu Nao Wan?

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Hi Suzy.....

Bit behind on my mail....sometimes it's hard to keep up with your

personal life when you are in treatment and working.

Yes, I am lucky to have access to so many different medical

traditions....but then living in a big city has it's downfalls too.

Interesting you mentioned the numbness and tingling in the hands. That

is a common symptom of liver network problems in TCM. I too had

experienced this for several years and the western doctors didn't test,

just said it must be carpal tunnel.

Guess the difference in so many things is that western medicine looks

for one cause to a symptom....like a germ...while eastern medicine looks

at the whole.

Another thing I've noticed in recent years is how hot and sweaty I get

so much of the time. Kept attributing it to that time of my life....but

again, a common sign of a liver network problem in TCM.

It's all pretty fascinating to me and I keep reading and asking

questions. Only time will tell if it will help or not but after

treatment I'm sure ready to try something a bit less invasive and much

more gentle than western medicine.

Tatezi

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TAtezi

Yes it is amazing about western drs. some are good while others don't seem

to want to look too far . I have been off tx now for 1 1/2 months am

starting to feel quite a bit better but now am starting to get tired aagain,

plus my hips and legs are really aching, will go for my 6 month pcr in June

so still have aways to go before I know am trying to take better care of

myself, started eating better, exercising, helps that it is spring also.

well going to go aas we are having storms here tornado warnings too so will

talk to you later

Suzy

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Here is the web address I culled that article from :

http://ep-hospital.com/15s.htm

Apparently they do consultations and treatment by mail and telephone. We are in

the process of trying acupuncture with my son. So far his spells have gotten

much quicker and he seems incredibly calmer and more mature since starting

additionally I have noticed his skin has become very soft and has a very healthy

glow. He has had two treatments so far. I will keep you all posted.

Has anyone else on this list used acupuncture as part of their treatment ? What

were the results ?

M.

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Interesting info. I had been looking into an Indian and a Chinese

herb used to treat epilepsy and am surprised to not see it up there.

Bacopa. Trying to find someone who may know whether or not bacopa or

any Chinese herbs can be mixed with medicines is not real easy. I'll

pass on the scorpion!!

Joanie

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In a message dated 10/31/2007 7:01:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

anna_vanw@... writes:

I believe AntJoan you used chinese medicine in your recovery. Do

you remember what you used?

Dear ,

Sorry to hear it came back. I saw a Chinese accupuncturist, but didn't use

the herbs, I just changed some of the supplements I was taking. says

copper is key. The best info is at iThyroid.com, where he will detail

supplements to use.

Maybe someone else knows more about Chinese medicine.

Please keep us informed as to how you're doing. Hope you feel better soon.

AntJoan

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In a message dated 10/31/2007 8:01:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

b53cjf@... writes:

> I believe AntJoan you used chinese medicine in your recovery. Do

> you remember what you used?

Dear ,

Now that I'm reading other posts, I think I remember that, before I went

hyperT, ginseng was one of the supplements that I had been taking. I

discontinued everything that I had started relatively recently, thinking that

maybe

something I was taking had thrown my thyroid off balance.

I also had been taking Progest cream, and stopped that for a while, as

progesterone stimulates the thyroid, while estrogen suppresses it.

AntJoan

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Hi ,

I don't know much about Chinese medicine but I do know about ginseng

and any time I've taken the various forms of it it tends to energize

me, which was good when I was hypo, but now since going hyper I

wouldn't touch it.

The copper seems to be the main thing that helped me. I started out

with about 9 mg. for a few days then went down to 6 for several more,

now I'm doing one per day.

Avoid iodine, as it tends to push people hyper if you are deficient in

other minerals. ( addresses this on iThyroid)

Have you read 's website iThyroid.com? I printed out many pages

to read and re-read so I knew which supplements to take and when.

Good luck!

>

> Hi all,

>

> I have been in 'remission' from hyperT for around 5 years, but

> suddenly it has come back ... Needless to say I am not pleased

> about this!

>

> Yesterday I went and saw a Chinese doctor. She did accupuncture on

> me and burned some herbs. She also gave me a supplement (herbal)

> which I have no idea what it is because the writing is in Chinese,

> and she gave me some ginseng tea. I didn't sleep very well last

> night after taking the supplement and tea, but I hadn't been

> sleeping well for a few nights prior to that anyway. I read

> somewhere that ginseng is not good for hyperTs. Does anyone in this

> group have an opinion or experience regarding using ginseng?

>

> I believe AntJoan you used chinese medicine in your recovery. Do

> you remember what you used?

>

> I am also taking a low dose of carbimazole plus some copper. I've

> stopped taking my multi vitamin because there are some ingredients

> in it that I suspect aren't helping. Do any of you have an opinion

> on multivitamins?

>

> Looking forward to hearing from you,

> (New Zealand)

>

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AntJoan,

Well, I hadn't made the connection that shortly before I went hyper, I

had started on prescription progesterone and estrogen creams. My doc

had tested me and said I was too low in P so the dose was pretty

hefty, while the E was not much.

Now you have me wondering if that could have had a role in triggering

the hyperness.

> I also had been taking Progest cream, and stopped that for a while, as

> progesterone stimulates the thyroid, while estrogen suppresses it.

>

> AntJoan

>

>

>

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http://www.aol.com

>

>

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In a message dated 11/1/2007 5:28:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

b53cjf@... writes:

Now you have me wondering if that could have had a role in triggering

the hyperness.

Dear ,

Definitely, it sounds like it did. Maybe lower or eliminate the P for now,

and see how you respond.

AntJoan

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AntJoan-

I had stopped it in the midst of the hyperness because I was

suspicious that it seemed to exacerbate the symptoms. Although

another part of me thought it wasn't possible, because prior to that I

used an OTC P cream and it was helpful for me to get to sleep.

But then again, the prescription P was much more potent, so that must

have been why it adversely affected me.

-- In hyperthyroidism , AntJoan@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 11/1/2007 5:28:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> b53cjf@... writes:

>

> Now you have me wondering if that could have had a role in triggering

> the hyperness.

>

>

> Dear ,

>

> Definitely, it sounds like it did. Maybe lower or eliminate the P

for now,

> and see how you respond.

>

> AntJoan

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's new at

http://www.aol.com

>

>

>

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Chinese Medicine

Effect of Fuzheng Huayu formula and its actions against liver fibrosis

Abstract

Liver fibrosis is a common histological process to develop into cirrhosis in various chronic liver

diseases including chronic hepatitis and fatty liver. Therefore anti-liver fibrosis is very important

strategy to treat chronic liver diseases. Fuzheng Huayu (FZHY), a preparation containing herbs such

as Radix Salvia Miltiorrhizae, Cordyceps, Semen Persicae, was formulated on the basis of Chinese

medicine theory in treating liver fibrosis and was approved. Pharmacological studies and clinical

trials demonstrate that FZHY has a significant effect against liver fibrosis and that many of the

pharmacological actions are attributable to the effect. This article reviews the effects and actions

of FZHY, in particular the effects observed from clinical trials in treating liver fibrosis caused by

chronic hepatitis B and the actions on inhibition of hepatic stellate cell activation, protection of

hepatocytes and inhibition of hepatic sinusoidal capillarization. This article also reviews the

coordinated effects of the constituent herbs of FZHY and the actions of their active compounds

such as salvianonic acid B (SA-B) on liver fibrosis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2720970/pdf/1749-8546-4-12.pdf

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