Re: Started treatment

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Holly. please don't stop breastfeeding right yet. how old is your baby? hold off on the ivermectin.

mel

From: Holly <hollyjane11@...>Subject: started treatmentbird mites Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:25 PM

I started the ivermectin today and had to stop nursing the baby. She is so upset about it. So am i, i have been crying all day. These bugs have taken something so special from me and my baby. They take so much. Everything is on their terms. Well, they messed with the wrong momma. THEY HAVE HELL TO PAY. I wont stop until every last one is DEAD DEAD DEAD!!! I HATE them!

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Dear Holly, please consider stopping the Ivermectin immediately -

don't know of anyone it's worked for. There are a number of natural

parasite remedies available with better track records. One Trisha

Springstead of ESP Botanicals recommends is Parasitin that has some

great herbals in it & is affordable. Available at:

http://www.vaxa.com/693.cfm

The benefits to you & Savannah of continuing to nurse leave

Ivermectin out of the picture. The stress to you both, emotionally &

physically, isn't worth using it. These bugs absolutely Thrive on you

& your baby being upset. Please don't give them that inch or they

will take a mile!

Frito - any ideas on how Holly can flush the dose she's taken out of

her system quickly?

In the meantime, try using the bottle next to your breast to keep the

comfort & closeness and pump your milk so you don't go dry.

Even your hatred of the bugs gives them an edge. Focusing that

emotion on them strengthens them. They do what they must to survive,

like any creature. Your job is to make it impossible for them. But I

don't believe the Ivermectin will get you there.

Hang in, Holly! Help is on the way. Know you can do it & will

vanquish these bugs in ways that won't hurt you but will hurt them.

Love you, Sue

I started the ivermectin today and had to stop nursing the baby. She

is

so upset about it. So am i, i have been crying all day. These bugs

have

taken something so special from me and my baby. They take so much.

Everything is on their terms. Well, they messed with the wrong momma.

THEY HAVE HELL TO PAY. I wont stop until every last one is DEAD DEAD

DEAD!!! I HATE them!

[Guest guest]

This is what I do know. I do know that it takes 9-12 days to clear your system depending on the source. I do know if it were me, I would not nurse for that period unless directed by somebody more qualified than me. It has been shown to pass into breast milk, although many sources cite no adverse effects, my concern would be the immaturity of the Blood-Brain-Barrier of the nursing infant ingesting the breast milk. The BBB is not quite fully developed in babies and young children. Since Ivermectin goes from the liver to the CNS, this would be a concern. Keep pumping dear, be aware of masititis from clogged milk ducts, and try other avenues in which seem to have better track records than Ivermectin. How can we help? Frito

From: Sue <sue@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 5:22:00 PMSubject: Re: started treatment

Dear Holly, please consider stopping the Ivermectin immediately - don't know of anyone it's worked for. There are a number of natural parasite remedies available with better track records. One Trisha Springstead of ESP Botanicals recommends is Parasitin that has some great herbals in it & is affordable. Available at:http://www.vaxa. com/693.cfmThe benefits to you & Savannah of continuing to nurse leave Ivermectin out of the picture. The stress to you both, emotionally & physically, isn't worth using it. These bugs absolutely Thrive on you & your baby being upset. Please don't give them that inch or they will take a mile!Frito - any ideas on how Holly can flush the dose she's taken out of her system quickly?In the meantime, try using the bottle next to your breast to keep the comfort &

closeness and pump your milk so you don't go dry.Even your hatred of the bugs gives them an edge. Focusing that emotion on them strengthens them. They do what they must to survive, like any creature. Your job is to make it impossible for them. But I don't believe the Ivermectin will get you there.Hang in, Holly! Help is on the way. Know you can do it & will vanquish these bugs in ways that won't hurt you but will hurt them.Love you, SueI started the ivermectin today and had to stop nursing the baby. She is so upset about it. So am i, i have been crying all day. These bugs have taken something so special from me and my baby. They take so much. Everything is on their terms.

Well, they messed with the wrong momma. THEY HAVE HELL TO PAY. I wont stop until every last one is DEAD DEAD DEAD!!! I HATE them!

[Guest guest]

Im sorry im just upset. It was just a tough weekend all around. I

read on Rays protocol about Ivermectin. Ive been planning on using it

for a while. If there is something that i can use that is just as

good, i will take it. I thought about taking sulfer internally. I

think i would have to stop nursing regardless. I am using the pump to

keep the milk supply up. I just didnt see any other way. I wont nurse

until i know im clear. I read that it takes 12 days to clear out of

the white blood cells.

I wanted to fast track the purging, because my situation here is very

unbearable. I planned to take ivermectin for 5 weeks, while running

the dehumidifier, and heater in the attic, where most of my

belongings are. Its stressful anyways.

>

> I started the ivermectin today and had to stop nursing the baby.

She

> is

> so upset about it. So am i, i have been crying all day. These bugs

> have

> taken something so special from me and my baby. They take so much.

> Everything is on their terms. Well, they messed with the wrong

momma.

> THEY HAVE HELL TO PAY. I wont stop until every last one is DEAD

DEAD

> DEAD!!! I HATE them!

>

[Guest guest]

This whole thing is upsetting. Holly, will you let us do some research into what lactation and infant recommendations are out there? Children and babies are very different from adults and older teens. Their chemical pathways, immune systems, BBB, just so many things that are immature and still developing and they are so incredibly hard not to affect in this type of situation.

From: Holly <hollyjane11@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 6:10:33 PMSubject: Re: started treatment

Im sorry im just upset. It was just a tough weekend all around. I read on Rays protocol about Ivermectin. Ive been planning on using it for a while. If there is something that i can use that is just as good, i will take it. I thought about taking sulfer internally. I think i would have to stop nursing regardless. I am using the pump to keep the milk supply up. I just didnt see any other way. I wont nurse until i know im clear. I read that it takes 12 days to clear out of the white blood cells. I wanted to fast track the purging, because my situation here is very unbearable. I planned to take ivermectin for 5 weeks, while running the dehumidifier, and heater in the attic, where most of my belongings are. Its stressful anyways.> > I started the ivermectin today and had to stop nursing the baby. She > is > so upset about it. So am i, i have been crying all day. These bugs > have > taken something so special from me and my baby. They take so much. > Everything is on their terms. Well, they messed with the wrong momma. > THEY HAVE HELL TO PAY. I wont stop until every last one is DEAD DEAD > DEAD!!! I HATE them!>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes I don't think my heart could break anymore than it has, and

then I read something like what you posted and I cry with you.

Something has to give....we can't keep on like this with the world just

not taking this seriously.

Holly, I am so, so sorry.

Bessie

>

> I started the ivermectin today and had to stop nursing the baby. She

is

> so upset about it. So am i, i have been crying all day. These bugs

have

> taken something so special from me and my baby. They take so much.

> Everything is on their terms. Well, they messed with the wrong momma.

> THEY HAVE HELL TO PAY. I wont stop until every last one is DEAD DEAD

> DEAD!!! I HATE them!

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps a homeopathic remedy wouldn't transfer through milk - there's

usually so little of the active ingredient itself. Marijah McCain of

Herbal Healer Academy has one:

WORMING CHILDREN. ELDERLY & PETS

HHA HOMEOPATHIC PARASITE DETOX

Safe for ages 1 year and up. I do not like to use any strong herbals,

especially wormwood, on children. They respond very well to

homeopathic formulations. Ages 1-3 - Use 3 drops under tongue or in a

little water twice daily. Ages 4 and above - Use 5 drops twice

daily. .2 oz. bottle

http://www.herbalhealer.com/parasites.html

What do you think, Frito? And would Milk Thistle help clear it from

Holly's liver, expedite detoxing it for her health?

Holly, completely understand your drive to be so over this. Wait up

on the parasite internals, please, while everyone checks into it for

you...you've got your hands & your plate full & we're here to help in

any way we can. You've friends to help who so admire you.

No apology. You're doing great under circumstances that are way

beyond unbearable...but you'll bear it & you'll get clear.

You are wonderful, Holly! Strong & brave & a devoted mother with a

heart full of love! Being strong & brave means you'll feel weak &

afraid & fed up sometimes & then put it aside to do what you must.

Your fierce love for your children is your guiding star to the life

you're already building for them. Hang tight to that.

Take a deep breath. Remember a wonderful moment when you were simply

happy. Kiss your children.

Know you want it in your rearview mirror yesterday!

Love you, Sue

>

> This is what I do know. I do know that it takes 9-12 days to clear

your system depending on the source. I do know if it were me, I

would not nurse for that period unless directed by somebody more

qualified than me. It has been shown to pass into breast milk,

although many sources cite no adverse effects, my concern would be

the immaturity of the Blood-Brain- Barrier of the nursing infant

ingesting the breast milk. The BBB is not quite fully developed in

babies and young children. Since Ivermectin goes from the liver to

the CNS, this would be a concern. Keep pumping dear, be aware of

masititis from clogged milk ducts, and try other avenues in which

seem to have better track records than Ivermectin. How can we help?

Frito

[Guest guest]

Hi Henry

Dont let anything stop you.

I bet the hardest part is getting started. The unknown.

You are doing great my friend, and we are all here for you.

Be sure to eat right, and get enough rest.

Try not to stress about anything.

love

don in ks

From: Henry Moreno <henry_moreno01@...>Subject: [ ] Started treatment Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 12:24 AM

I am over 50 and started with a doctor in San Francisco that approved my treatment.. The interferon does not seem to have any negative effects it is injected subcutanous in the stomach . But the Ribvirin is a bit moe touchy...taking three at a time twice a day dry mouth and phychotic reaction.ON another issue.I am having back pains from an injury which complicates everything . Bottom line I am gong to give it all I got and hope it works.

Henry

[Guest guest]

Good Luck Henry,

I thought you were gonna wait till after the Holidays? Make sure you let your shot get to room temp or it'll let a bruise. My stomach looked like a dart board till I wised up, although it made it easy to remember where I injected the prior week.Yes I have a slip disc and can relate, plus drinking tons of water and up and down on the potty uggg. Best of wishes to you....I know you can't imagine this now but tx goes really fast, your in my prayers Pam

[ ] Started treatment

I am over 50 and started with a doctor in San Francisco that approved my treatment.. The interferon does not seem to have any negative effects it is injected subcutanous in the stomach . But the Ribvirin is a bit moe touchy...taking three at a time twice a day dry mouth and phychotic reaction.ON another issue.I am having back pains from an injury which complicates everything . Bottom line I am gong to give it all I got and hope it works.

Henry

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Henry,

I'm 60 and 13 weeks into my second go around with treatment. My

doc is at UCSF. I experience the effects of interferon two and three days after

my shot. Mostly it's fatigue, moodiness and flu-like stuff. Usually you

can tell what sides you'll experience by week 12. The water (a gallon a day) is

tough on this old guy's kidneys. On the other hand, there are days I wouldn't

get out of the recliner if I didn't have to go.

Let me know if I can help. Good luck.

Jim

From:

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Behalf Of Henry Moreno

Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:25 PM

Subject: [ ] Started treatment

I am over 50 and started with a doctor in San Francisco that

approved my treatment.. The interferon does not seem to have any negative

effects it is injected subcutanous in the stomach . But the Ribvirin is a bit

moe touchy...taking three at a time twice a day dry mouth and phychotic

reaction.ON another issue.I am having back pains from an injury which

complicates everything . Bottom line I am gong to give it all I got and hope it

works.

Henry

[Guest guest]

Way to go Henry!!! For sure keep us posted regularly about your treatment or any questions regarding it. I'm on my last 5 weeks of a Clinical Trial.I find that at the very least, I'm usually extra tired after my Friday night Interferon. The Riba I don't think a lot about until I have one of my horrible mood swings.Now, I don't enough of this myself; but, remember to drink lots of water. The sides of my mouth dry and crack for the need of a bit of water. Gloria

I am over 50 and started with a doctor in San Francisco that approved my treatment.. The interferon does not seem to have any negative effects it is injected subcutanous in the stomach . But the Ribvirin is a bit moe touchy...taking three at a time twice a day dry mouth and phychotic reaction.ON another issue.I am having back pains from an injury which complicates everything . Bottom line I am gong to give it all I got and hope it works.

Henry

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Most definely drinking lots of H2O ...interferon no issues just the Ribavirin giving me the panic attacks in public... I think I am getting over it now.

Thanks,

Henry

From: pam miller <pammango@...> Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 6:46:17 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Started treatment

Good Luck Henry,

I thought you were gonna wait till after the Holidays? Make sure you let your shot get to room temp or it'll let a bruise. My stomach looked like a dart board till I wised up, although it made it easy to remember where I injected the prior week.Yes I have a slip disc and can relate, plus drinking tons of water and up and down on the potty uggg. Best of wishes to you....I know you can't imagine this now but tx goes really fast, your in my prayers Pam

[ ] Started treatment

I am over 50 and started with a doctor in San Francisco that approved my treatment.. The interferon does not seem to have any negative effects it is injected subcutanous in the stomach . But the Ribvirin is a bit moe touchy...taking three at a time twice a day dry mouth and phychotic reaction.ON another issue.I am having back pains from an injury which complicates everything . Bottom line I am gong to give it all I got and hope it works.

Henry

[Guest guest]

Hi Henry

Im not on treatment but I do have PTSD, and panic attacks.

They arent fun.

Just hang in there, you are doing great.

Do whatever it takes to rid yourself of the beast.

We are all here for you.

love

don in ks

From: Henry Moreno <henry_moreno01@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Started treatment Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:05 AM

Most definely drinking lots of H2O ...interferon no issues just the Ribavirin giving me the panic attacks in public... I think I am getting over it now.

Thanks,

Henry

From: pam miller <pammango@...> Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 6:46:17 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Started treatment

Good Luck Henry,

I thought you were gonna wait till after the Holidays? Make sure you let your shot get to room temp or it'll let a bruise. My stomach looked like a dart board till I wised up, although it made it easy to remember where I injected the prior week.Yes I have a slip disc and can relate, plus drinking tons of water and up and down on the potty uggg. Best of wishes to you....I know you can't imagine this now but tx goes really fast, your in my prayers Pam

[ ] Started treatment

I am over 50 and started with a doctor in San Francisco that approved my treatment.. The interferon does not seem to have any negative effects it is injected subcutanous in the stomach . But the Ribvirin is a bit moe touchy...taking three at a time twice a day dry mouth and phychotic reaction.ON another issue.I am having back pains from an injury which complicates everything . Bottom line I am gong to give it all I got and hope it works.

Henry