Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 (The medical term for Liver Pain is Hepatalgia) Abdominal pain is one of the most frequent complaints of Hep C patients, and one taken less than seriously by many doctors, because "the liver cannot feel pain". HEPATITIS & LIVER PAIN Many chronic hepatitis C patients have expressed their frustration when it comes to describing and sharing the experience of various abdominal pains and discomforts with their physicians. Frequently, these acute or chronic pains are dismissed as having little or nothing to do with chronic liver disease. What do physicians know about abdominal pain? Read the following and learn about the mechanisms of abdominal pain in general and the types of pain that result from diseases of some specific organs. Abdominal organs are unresponsive to many stimuli that normally would elicit severe pain. For example, cutting or crushing of abdominal organs does not result in a recognizable sensation. The pain fibers in the viscera (large interior organs) are generally sensitive only to stretching or increased wall tension. The causes of stretching or tension vary. In hollow organs such as the intestine or gallbladder, nociceptive fibers are located in the muscular wall. Afferent (conveying towards a center) impuses travel along the sympathetic nerves. In solid organs such as the liver and kidney, such fibers supply the capsule and react to capsular stretching. An inflammatory reaction to microbes or toxins produces organ pain (visceral) through the elaboration of tissue hormones or metabolites (substances produced by metabolism). Four different mechanisms give rise to abdominal pain: (1) visceral; (2) referred; (3) parietal peritoneal; and (4) psychogenic. VISCERAL PAIN Pain resulting from stimulation of sensory afferent nerves innervating abdominal organs. The pain is often difficult to describe (usually as cramping or aching), dull in nature, and poorly localized to the midline from the upper (epigastrium) to the lower abdominal area. The pain may be accompanied by nausea, vomiting, sweating, pallor, and restlessness. Patients often move about in bed, occasionally finding relief with a change in position. REFERRED PAIN Visceral pain may be referred to a remote area of the body, where it is perceived as cutaneous pain (sensation of pain in the skin) in an area supplied by the same spinal cord level as the affected abdominal organ. Referred pain is usually well localized and appears when noxious visceral stimuli become more intense. Thus, swelling of the liver capsule by a hematoma (swollen blood vessels) after liver biopsy is first perceived in the abdomen but may be referred to the right shoulder. PARIETAL PERITONEAL PAIN When the parietal peritoneum (abdominal membrane that encloses that body cavity) becomes involved as a result of abdominal pathology (disease process), nerves supplying the area are stimulated and generally produce pain that is more intense and more precisely localized than is visceral pain. The classic example is the localized pain of acute appendicitis. Parietal pain is often aggravated by movement; hence the patient's desire to lie completely still. PSYCHOGENIC PAIN This is obviously abdominal pain that is perceived but without any local cause.Unfortunately, this may be a pain mechanism that some physicians choose to attribute to some chronic hepatitis patients' episodes of pain. However, as cited above, physicians should take the time to explain and concede that there are valid causes for different types and intensities of abdominal pain that arise from our internal organs due to inflammation and toxic conditions. FURTHERMORE.... When the hollow structures of the gallbladder and biliary tract dilate due to the disease process, pain is experienced in the upper abdomen or right upper abdomen. Pain may also be referred to the back between the shoulder blades. Pain from the pancreas is also felt in the upper abdomen and is often referred to the middle of the back. In a manner analogous to the liver, gallbladder, and biliary tract on the right, lesions in the tail of the pancreas that involve the diaphragm, may result in referred pain to the left shoulder.Bacterial or viral infection of any intraabdominal organ may cause abdominal pain.Interference with venous or arterial blood flow can affect the abdominal organs. Clinically this may present as severe abdominal pain and shock. source: http://www.hepatitis-central.com/hcv/liver/pain.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 > > Anyone have liver pain? Should I be concerned? > +++Hi . Liver pain is very common because it processes all of the toxins. I don't believe you need to be concerned about it, since I had severe liver pain when I was curing my candida, but my doctor, a holistic MD, was not concerned. So I just kept on the program. The best thing for liver pain is coffee enemas. You can also put a castor oil pack over your liver at night: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/pack.php You will get more pain if you don't follow the program accurately. All the best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Re: liver pain, I had this too last summer and they wanted to remove my gallbladder, of course. This was before I found Bee's program, but I did a 'liver flush' once a month based on Hulda 's protocol, followed it exactly. After 7 flushes, the pain was gone. I re-ultrasounded recently and the gallbladder is CLEAN. I do agree with Bee that the coffee enemas also cleanse the liver. Bee/moderators, any of you have success getting rid of uterine fibroids OR dark undereye circles? If so, how long on the diet would you say you start to see the improvements? Thanks, On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone have liver pain? Should I be concerned? > > > +++Hi . Liver pain is very common because it processes all of the > toxins. I don't believe you need to be concerned about it, since I had > severe liver pain when I was curing my candida, but my doctor, a holistic > MD, was not concerned. So I just kept on the program. > > The best thing for liver pain is coffee enemas. You can also put a castor > oil pack over your liver at night: > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/pack.php > > You will get more pain if you don't follow the program accurately. > > All the best, Bee > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 <snip> > > Bee/moderators, any of you have success getting rid of uterine fibroids OR dark undereye circles? If so, how long on the diet would you say you start to see the improvements? > +++Hi . Each person progresses differently on this program, which depends upon many factors, including age, nutritional status they inherited from their parents, how much damage happened and for how long, stress issues, etc., so there is no set time that is the same for everyone to get rid of fibroids or dark circles. One of our members just reported that one of her fibroids has disappeared, and she is confident that as she progresses the other ones she has will be gone too! Dark circles under the eyes is caused by toxins, so how long it takes for them to disappear is how long your body needs to detoxify itself. It takes 1 month of natural healing for every year you've been unhealthy. How you progress depends upon how well you follow the program and if you stay on it long enough. Even after that, you must get " proper nutrients " and eliminate toxins and damaging foods in order to maintain life-long health. All the best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Others may have responded to you already, but since I have been going through a serious bout of this recently, I thought I'd let you know that it is possible this is quite normal, though definitely not fun. I've been on the diet quite a while now and it makes sense, according to Hering's Law of Cure (top down) that my body is now healing that part. Really, it's all about helping your body detox - dry skin brushing, epsom salt baths, coffee enemas.. I found the enemas helped me the most when I was in the most pain. And trust me, that was the only reason I found myself willing to give them a try! But I highly recommend them. Best, andra > > Anyone have liver pain? Should I be concerned? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 > > Thank you! Tried the coffee enema and I the pain is pretty much gone! wow - pretty amazing. > +++Hi . That's excellent! Luv, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 I just want to say how grateful I am for this forum. I read ALL the posts everyday, because I always learn something from at least one other person's question or situation. This particular set of posts kept me from taking myself to the emergency room today! I had a rough night sleeping (I had too much nutritional yeast last night - long story) and woke this morning to the entire area of my liver in a painful spasm. I've studied quite a bit of anatomy in the past, so it was obvious to me that it was my whole liver, and I remember the post that only the surface has nerve endings that register pain. I have had liver pain in the past, but never like this!! Thank Goddess for rebirth breathing techniques, coffee enemas, and this post that kept me thinking " OK... other's have expereinced this. Hang in there! " I'm fine now 4 hours later (but exhausted!) and feeling quite cleansed (I've been dealing with trememdous levels of brainfog and toxic sensations for the whole month I've been on the program)... and also very grateful for the information I learn here everyday! Thank you Bee! - Lilithe <snip> I can deal with that but am bothered by the pain which I think is in > my liver. Some days it's sporadic but some days it's very intense > and feels like it will explode. My pancreas and liver enzymes were > fine when tested a month ago. My gastro specialist told me it was > just part of the IBS and I needed to manage it with antispasmodics. > Just curious if anyone else experiences this and what may soothe the > situation and how long I can expect it to last. > > Thanks so much. > > Deb > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Hooray for you Lilithe!! That's very well done! Luv, Bee > <snip> I have had liver pain in the past, but never like this!! Thank Goddess for rebirth breathing techniques, coffee enemas, and this post that kept me thinking " OK... other's have expereinced this. Hang in there! " > > I'm fine now 4 hours later (but exhausted!) and feeling quite cleansed (I've been dealing with trememdous levels of brainfog and toxic sensations for the whole month I've been on the program)... and also very grateful for the information I learn here everyday! Thank you Bee! - Lilithe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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