tylenol

[Guest guest]

That's what our doctor told us, Carol. She said " NO

TYLENOL ... EVER. "

Jeanie

--- Carol <dunbar@...> wrote:

> Thanks to all who replied to my question as to

> whether they use Asprin or

> Ibuprofen. My husbands Dr. told him he could take

> tylenol, and someone else

> on the list contacted me and said their Dr. told

> them to take Tylenol but

> I've told my husband since Tylenol is not " Liver

> Friendly " that he should

> probably use one of the others if needed.

> I do understand correctly don't I, that Tylenol is

> not good for anyone with

> liver problems?

> Thanks

> Carol

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jeanie,

That's what I thought. So even though I don't have a medical degree, I

figure better safe than sorry. When you're talking about an organ that

doesn't function well to begin with it seems drastically wrong to take

something that is potentially harmful to it.

Carol

Re: Tylenol

>From: Jeanie <quinlyn1@...>

>

>That's what our doctor told us, Carol. She said " NO

>TYLENOL ... EVER. "

>Jeanie

>

>--- Carol <dunbar@...> wrote:

>> Thanks to all who replied to my question as to

>> whether they use Asprin or

>> Ibuprofen. My husbands Dr. told him he could take

>> tylenol, and someone else

>> on the list contacted me and said their Dr. told

>> them to take Tylenol but

>> I've told my husband since Tylenol is not " Liver

>> Friendly " that he should

>> probably use one of the others if needed.

>> I do understand correctly don't I, that Tylenol is

>> not good for anyone with

>> liver problems?

>> Thanks

>> Carol

>>

>>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I agree Carol. Pat has so little of his liver that is

still functional it makes no sense for him to take

Tylenol when he can take Aspirin or Ibuprofen. Even

the aspirin sometimes has bad side effects as he has

problems with bleeding anyway.

Jeanie

--- Carol <dunbar@...> wrote:

> Thanks Jeanie,

> That's what I thought. So even though I don't have a

> medical degree, I

> figure better safe than sorry. When you're talking

> about an organ that

> doesn't function well to begin with it seems

> drastically wrong to take

> something that is potentially harmful to it.

> Carol

> Re: Tylenol

>

>

> >From: Jeanie <quinlyn1@...>

> >

> >That's what our doctor told us, Carol. She said

> " NO

> >TYLENOL ... EVER. "

> >Jeanie

> >

> >--- Carol <dunbar@...> wrote:

> >> Thanks to all who replied to my question as to

> >> whether they use Asprin or

> >> Ibuprofen. My husbands Dr. told him he could take

> >> tylenol, and someone else

> >> on the list contacted me and said their Dr. told

> >> them to take Tylenol but

> >> I've told my husband since Tylenol is not " Liver

> >> Friendly " that he should

> >> probably use one of the others if needed.

> >> I do understand correctly don't I, that Tylenol

> is

> >> not good for anyone with

> >> liver problems?

> >> Thanks

> >> Carol

> >>

> >>

> >__________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

This happened to my son. He had a week long strept throat thingee, and we

have to do (ugh) suppository TYLENOL. WRONG. After that week, of course

the depletion of stores amongst the strept landed him in the hospital with a

cluster of seizures. I think it CHALLENGES anyone with a less than viable

DETOX system, which seems to be the problem with epilepsy, after all, some

deep caca imbalances are going on, contributory to detox problems with

epilepsy (it loads on the liver detox pathways, often already messed with).

The acetometophin challenge is often given to find out how much you detox or

not, so there you go. How is your PHASE one and PHASE two liver detox

going? That would be a viable test for you?

Kathy

[ ] Tylenol

>

>Has anyone noticed any increase in seizures when taking Tylenol. I have,

and I

>can't understand why. I haven't asked my dr. about it yet. I am starting

>tegretol again, and feeling a lessening of the bruxing at night, and more

normal

>sleep, but do notice this. Any comments welcome.

>Van

>

>

>

>_

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

Thank you for responding. I do not understand liver detox phase one and two;

could you please explain. I have had all basic tests (blood) and then some. All

tests negative, even for tumor markers. The dr. said that he had never, but

never seen anyone with a negative for stomach bacteria/infection, but I was neg.

on that. I have had high EBV a year ago (574). I eat a lot of fresh garlic daily

(at least 3-5 large pieces) to try to cleanse the system. And I do feel bad when

I go for a few days without it. I have an allergy to ibuprophen; I don't know

what to take for headache now! They had found a lesion on my mid-brain 3-1999,

which disappeared as of two weeks ago, yet I still have symptoms (bruxism,

dizziness), which were worsened by a car accident late 1999. A lady told me to

try castor oil as a cleanser. I guess it couldn't hurt. I am finding that even

with these coated pills (Tegretol) I need to drink a lot of liquid yogurt to

balance my stomach!

I have gone on the net and have read today that kids are more suseptible to

seizures from Tylenol. Was your son small at the time? I am 41, but a child at

heart! My 12 year old girl has epilepsy too, but she is under control (without

meds) now. We eat a very healthy diet, usually...!

Jim Blanco wrote:

> This happened to my son. He had a week long strept throat thingee, and we

> have to do (ugh) suppository TYLENOL. WRONG. After that week, of course

> the depletion of stores amongst the strept landed him in the hospital with a

> cluster of seizures. I think it CHALLENGES anyone with a less than viable

> DETOX system, which seems to be the problem with epilepsy, after all, some

> deep caca imbalances are going on, contributory to detox problems with

> epilepsy (it loads on the liver detox pathways, often already messed with).

> The acetometophin challenge is often given to find out how much you detox or

> not, so there you go. How is your PHASE one and PHASE two liver detox

> going? That would be a viable test for you?

> Kathy

> [ ] Tylenol

>

> >

> >Has anyone noticed any increase in seizures when taking Tylenol. I have,

> and I

> >can't understand why. I haven't asked my dr. about it yet. I am starting

> >tegretol again, and feeling a lessening of the bruxing at night, and more

> normal

> >sleep, but do notice this. Any comments welcome.

> >Van

> >

> >

> >

> >_

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am going to send you something from a good friend on liver detox pathways

(or he can). Also read some more about it on steve edelsons site

(www.edelson.com ). It is relatively significant in my opinion in people

with seizures. Of course it is so complicated with also the other

biochemical processees as Zoe has so eloquently pointed out. For me, it is

looking like an imbalance amino acid wise as well as problems with digestion

and utilization of nutrients in my son, which basically offsets all the

hormones and all the glucose you need to fuel the brain properly, not to

mention all the kreb cycle loops or hoops that must be danced through. Of

course with his unique etiology, that of vaccinosis injury, it could also

mean illoid hyperplasia, some deep shit called MMR vaccine still diggin in

his gut and doing a damn good job of destorying his " second brain " .

Basically meaning, one sick puppy. (ever since vaccines by the way). He is

19 years old, and this occured several years ago. I have to be especially

mindful of things that irritate or overload that system down there, one of

the bigger being WHEAT AND MILK, which create a lovely neuropeptide in the

brain like LSD in most autistic individuals, and I would think some

epleptics as well. This could also be your source of headaches as well as

other food/brain allergies. Anything with PHENOLIC compounds in it,

(aspirin included) can do you in so to speak. I would highly advise a

FEINGOLD diet for the both of you, I think it has some merit to it as well,

not to mention even the paleo diet (www.feingold.org and www.paleo.com ).

You may also be suffering from PST deficiency (phenol sulphar transferase

deficiency). I will have my friend send you something on that, he is the

expert on those lines.

EBV heh? Guess what I had as an ACTIVE STATE while I was pregnant with my

son, yep, you got it, EBV or MONO! I still have that in me, I just know it.

Basically for survival, my son was taking all the energy he could to drain

my body stores while pregnant, not to mention my omega 3's or any other

fatty acid need. I describe that as a deep miasm that has abounded in my

son ten fold, thusly the energy metabolism mitochondrial problems he is

experiencing. Also, EBV is not too friendly to MYELIN BASIC PROTEIN, which

of course is your nerve insultors. Definately messed with in epilepsy.

There is one study that suggested that EBV attacks myelin, many people feel

EBV may be the MS precursor as well. Great heh?

Kathy

[ ] Tylenol

>>

>> >

>> >Has anyone noticed any increase in seizures when taking Tylenol. I have,

>> and I

>> >can't understand why. I haven't asked my dr. about it yet. I am starting

>> >tegretol again, and feeling a lessening of the bruxing at night, and

more

>> normal

>> >sleep, but do notice this. Any comments welcome.

>> >Van

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >_

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

oops, that's www.edelsoncenter.com

[ ] Tylenol

>>>

>>> >

>>> >Has anyone noticed any increase in seizures when taking Tylenol. I

have,

>>> and I

>>> >can't understand why. I haven't asked my dr. about it yet. I am

starting

>>> >tegretol again, and feeling a lessening of the bruxing at night, and

>more

>>> normal

>>> >sleep, but do notice this. Any comments welcome.

>>> >Van

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >_

>>> >

>>> >

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

I can relate to some of what you have written. When

pregnant, I was also utterly devoid of energy, and had to eat constantly

(it seemed), even in the middle of the night. My girl has a milk allergy

since birth, but now it is just maybe an intolerance. Every time she starts

to have increased seizures, I take her off of milk again. She had a sharp

decrease in vitality after her inoculations; she had days when she would

turn pale and lay motionless, though she was an active baby otherwise.

We moved from one state to another, and they started to repeat some shots!

When I discovered they were about to do it again, I stopped the doctor,

and sent for the other state's record so it wouldn't happen again. She

no longer has grand mal seizures due to dieting, acupressure and some helpful

chiropractic (some of it had a - the chiropractic- disastrous affect once.)

My girl has he EBV as high as mine was. We are being tested anew tomorrow.

I cannot believe the difference now that I have stopped

taking tylenol--no wonder i could never get seizure control before. They

were prescribing extra dosages of it to treat my severe headaches. When

the seizures didn't subside, they upped the dosage of Tergretol on me to

the point where I was always sleeping, dangerously depressed, and my heart

beat weirdly. Now I am with another doctor who is monitoring my dosages

closely, but I do hope to be off all meds again when I can gain control

of right now. I guess you have been there where you get allergic to foods

and meds with some regularity. (the EBV) Sometimes the effects have to

get almost life threatening before I notice anything. The doctor gave me

10MG Sonata with the Tegretol, but it did nothing at all.

Can you explain "second brain" when you get a chance?

A lot of what I read on this list seems over my

head, but I am trying to learn. Did you mention something about the significance

of cholesterol? It's pretty strange that my cholesterol has been like 240

since my late 20's, though I eat a pretty lean diet. (I do indulge in ice

cream sometimes though!)

We have each been tested for allergies to foods etc, but none

react (except plant stuff) on my girl. Are there other ways to test for

these brain sensitivities? (I am allergic to egg.)

It's funny that you mention the EBV precursor to MS:

my grandmother's older sister died at 14 of some degenerative disease (I

have the records of all her childhood diseases kept by Great Grandmother--and

she was almost always ill with the diseases of the day--1906). I don't

know what the disease would be called today, but I have photos of her last

few days on earth, and she was emaciated, and stared blankly, standing

in a stooping posture. She was bedridden for two years, and I guess they

had hope that they could rouse her. Sorry for the tangent, but it is still

a riddle.

Thanks for all you have written.

Van

Jim Blanco wrote:

I am going to send you something from a good

friend on liver detox pathways

(or he can). Also read some more about it on steve edelsons

site

(www.edelson.com ). It is relatively significant in my opinion

in people

with seizures. Of course it is so complicated with also the

other

biochemical processees as Zoe has so eloquently pointed out.

For me, it is

looking like an imbalance amino acid wise as well as problems with

digestion

and utilization of nutrients in my son, which basically offsets

all the

hormones and all the glucose you need to fuel the brain properly,

not to

mention all the kreb cycle loops or hoops that must be danced through.

Of

course with his unique etiology, that of vaccinosis injury, it

could also

mean illoid hyperplasia, some deep shit called MMR vaccine still

diggin in

his gut and doing a damn good job of destorying his "second brain".

Basically meaning, one sick puppy. (ever since vaccines by

the way). He is

19 years old, and this occured several years ago. I have

to be especially

mindful of things that irritate or overload that system down there,

one of

the bigger being WHEAT AND MILK, which create a lovely neuropeptide

in the

brain like LSD in most autistic individuals, and I would think

some

epleptics as well. This could also be your source of headaches

as well as

other food/brain allergies. Anything with PHENOLIC compounds

in it,

(aspirin included) can do you in so to speak. I would highly

advise a

FEINGOLD diet for the both of you, I think it has some merit to

it as well,

not to mention even the paleo diet (www.feingold.org and www.paleo.com

).

You may also be suffering from PST deficiency (phenol sulphar transferase

deficiency). I will have my friend send you something on

that, he is the

expert on those lines.

EBV heh? Guess what I had as an ACTIVE STATE while I was

pregnant with my

son, yep, you got it, EBV or MONO! I still have that in me,

I just know it.

Basically for survival, my son was taking all the energy he could

to drain

my body stores while pregnant, not to mention my omega 3's or any

other

fatty acid need. I describe that as a deep miasm that

has abounded in my

son ten fold, thusly the energy metabolism mitochondrial problems

he is

experiencing. Also, EBV is not too friendly to MYELIN BASIC

PROTEIN, which

of course is your nerve insultors. Definately messed with

in epilepsy.

There is one study that suggested that EBV attacks myelin, many

people feel

EBV may be the MS precursor as well. Great heh?

Kathy

[ ] Tylenol

>>

>> >

>> >Has anyone noticed any increase in seizures when taking Tylenol.

I have,

>> and I

>> >can't understand why. I haven't asked my dr. about it yet.

I am starting

>> >tegretol again, and feeling a lessening of the bruxing at night,

and

more

>> normal

>> >sleep, but do notice this. Any comments welcome.

>> >Van

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >_

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

I can relate to some of what you have written. When

pregnant, I was also utterly devoid of energy, and had to eat constantly

(it seemed), even in the middle of the night. My girl has a milk allergy

since birth, but now it is just maybe an intolerance. Every time she starts

to have increased seizures, I take her off of milk again. She had a sharp

decrease in vitality after her inoculations; she had days when she would

turn pale and lay motionless, though she was an active baby otherwise.

We moved from one state to another, and they started to repeat some shots!

When I discovered they were about to do it again, I stopped the doctor,

and sent for the other state's record so it wouldn't happen again. She

no longer has grand mal seizures due to dieting, acupressure and some helpful

chiropractic (some of it had a - the chiropractic- disastrous affect once.)

My girl has he EBV as high as mine was. We are being tested anew tomorrow.

I cannot believe the difference now that I have stopped

taking tylenol--no wonder i could never get seizure control before. They

were prescribing extra dosages of it to treat my severe headaches. When

the seizures didn't subside, they upped the dosage of Tergretol on me to

the point where I was always sleeping, dangerously depressed, and my heart

beat weirdly. Now I am with another doctor who is monitoring my dosages

closely, but I do hope to be off all meds again when I can gain control

of right now. I guess you have been there where you get allergic to foods

and meds with some regularity. (the EBV) Sometimes the effects have to

get almost life threatening before I notice anything. The doctor gave me

10MG Sonata with the Tegretol, but it did nothing at all.

Can you explain "second brain" when you get a chance?

A lot of what I read on this list seems over my

head, but I am trying to learn. Did you mention something about the significance

of cholesterol? It's pretty strange that my cholesterol has been like 240

since my late 20's, though I eat a pretty lean diet. (I do indulge in ice

cream sometimes though!)

We have each been tested for allergies to foods etc, but none

react (except plant stuff) on my girl. Are there other ways to test for

these brain sensitivities? (I am allergic to egg.)

It's funny that you mention the EBV precursor to MS:

my grandmother's older sister died at 14 of some degenerative disease (I

have the records of all her childhood diseases kept by Great Grandmother--and

she was almost always ill with the diseases of the day--1906). I don't

know what the disease would be called today, but I have photos of her last

few days on earth, and she was emaciated, and stared blankly, standing

in a stooping posture. She was bedridden for two years, and I guess they

had hope that they could rouse her. Sorry for the tangent, but it is still

a riddle.

Thanks for all you have written.

Van

Jim Blanco wrote:

I am going to send you something from a good

friend on liver detox pathways

(or he can). Also read some more about it on steve edelsons

site

(www.edelson.com ). It is relatively significant in my opinion

in people

with seizures. Of course it is so complicated with also the

other

biochemical processees as Zoe has so eloquently pointed out.

For me, it is

looking like an imbalance amino acid wise as well as problems with

digestion

and utilization of nutrients in my son, which basically offsets

all the

hormones and all the glucose you need to fuel the brain properly,

not to

mention all the kreb cycle loops or hoops that must be danced through.

Of

course with his unique etiology, that of vaccinosis injury, it

could also

mean illoid hyperplasia, some deep shit called MMR vaccine still

diggin in

his gut and doing a damn good job of destorying his "second brain".

Basically meaning, one sick puppy. (ever since vaccines by

the way). He is

19 years old, and this occured several years ago. I have

to be especially

mindful of things that irritate or overload that system down there,

one of

the bigger being WHEAT AND MILK, which create a lovely neuropeptide

in the

brain like LSD in most autistic individuals, and I would think

some

epleptics as well. This could also be your source of headaches

as well as

other food/brain allergies. Anything with PHENOLIC compounds

in it,

(aspirin included) can do you in so to speak. I would highly

advise a

FEINGOLD diet for the both of you, I think it has some merit to

it as well,

not to mention even the paleo diet (www.feingold.org and www.paleo.com

).

You may also be suffering from PST deficiency (phenol sulphar transferase

deficiency). I will have my friend send you something on

that, he is the

expert on those lines.

EBV heh? Guess what I had as an ACTIVE STATE while I was

pregnant with my

son, yep, you got it, EBV or MONO! I still have that in me,

I just know it.

Basically for survival, my son was taking all the energy he could

to drain

my body stores while pregnant, not to mention my omega 3's or any

other

fatty acid need. I describe that as a deep miasm that

has abounded in my

son ten fold, thusly the energy metabolism mitochondrial problems

he is

experiencing. Also, EBV is not too friendly to MYELIN BASIC

PROTEIN, which

of course is your nerve insultors. Definately messed with

in epilepsy.

There is one study that suggested that EBV attacks myelin, many

people feel

EBV may be the MS precursor as well. Great heh?

Kathy

Re: [ ] Tylenol

>> This happened to my son. He had a week long strept throat

thingee, and

we

>> have to do (ugh) suppository TYLENOL. WRONG. After

that week, of course

>> the depletion of stores amongst the strept landed him in the

hospital

with a

>> cluster of seizures. I think it CHALLENGES anyone with

a less than

viable

>> DETOX system, which seems to be the problem with epilepsy, after

all,

some

>> deep caca imbalances are going on, contributory to detox problems

with

>> epilepsy (it loads on the liver detox pathways, often already

messed

with).

>> The acetometophin challenge is often given to find out how much

you detox

or

>> not, so there you go. How is your PHASE one and PHASE

two liver detox

>> going? That would be a viable test for you?

>> Kathy

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Van

Yes, it sounds like your daughter experienced some classic signs of vaccinosis injury. What you also need to know that every time your daughter gets a bolous DPT or MMR, she basically is getting mercury poisined, let alone aluminum. In fact it exceeds the EPA standards of exposure to those two heavy metals. Mercury has an affinity to neural tissues, and many kids with autism have seizures resultant from their childhood vaccines. IT also disturbs enzymatic properties in the gut and body. It can produce in effect a seizure disorder. There are just some who can and some who can't. All of us arrive to this world with different healing capitals, and when you put enough of a load on a child, who's myelin isn't fully developed, let alone their immune system (sometimes inheritedly weak), whala, not so good things result.

I do think you can manipulate the diet in such a way to stave off grand mals. I had to learn through sorry experience that one. Now my son is on Gluten and Cassein Free diets, Feingold and almost Paleo-so in essence, nothing is processed, everything is organic and natural. HE is now off all medicines and seizure free, though we are battling with the years of affects of AED's like tardive dyskensia (a rhythemic tongue movement).

The second brain is basically your gut. If you were to take an endoscope down there, the folds and the nerve endings and transmissions resemble the brain. In the gut is where you made neuropeptides and hormones which affect your brain. Why do you think you know when you are hungry, you don't originate that signal from the brain, but from the gut. (no wonder they say " gut feelings " ). Basically if you heal the way the gut functions, it is my opinion you also heal the way your brain functions. Many kids with autism are lacking Hydrochloric Acid and Bile output which in turn starts a cascade of events from leaky gut syndrome to glutenous and cassein like opiod molecules from their proteins pass through the leaky gut barrier, and up into the central nervous system and then goes about irritating opiod receptors in the brain. Many have liken this high to cocaine, and even chemically speaking, is the same chemical makeup of the poisin on the back of amazon dart frogs! This of course opens up all other such things such as autoimmune diseases, chrons like conditions/ irritable bowel syndrome etc. Then it affects what is happening to the body nutritionally, and metabolically. Basically in a nut shell, if the gut is irritated enough, it will affect you upstairs after a while. Basically if you eliminate all the bad things, you can accomplish and even stabilize and eliminate further damage to the brain. Wishing that I knew that information new in the game, I probably would have been able to completely cure my kids from autism, but much of this information was relatively new and hardly heard of when my child was a toddler. What I was trying to relay to you may help you in this thinking. Autistic children compared to controls were less effective at sulphation (detoxing chemicals and foods). When you get enough of these chemicals it distorts neurotransmitters such as seratonin, dopamine and tyramine. Seratonin excess in the body then leads to bufotenin which is basically a drug with psycehdelic properties. This is often brought on by biochemical trauma, anything from childhood vaccines, food allergens and pesticides and chemicals, great heh? As that relates to you, tylenol, phenolic foods etc are not your friends LOL. IT is also important to think about the quality of your foods, the pesticidual contents and even the correct kinds of fats to put into your body. Definately no transfats (margarine for example). The body requires specific fatty acids to create gastrointestinal integrity, bilipid membranes, hormones, neurohormones, prostaglandins and immune modulators (which would help with EBV). Definately talk to Mark about that on the list, as well as look into amino acids as I will be doing.

Immune regulation could be your answer. Products are out there that do that. Things like aloe veras, mgn-3's, colustrum etc. IT would be important to have a diet full of greens and plant phytochemicals which basically protects your cells from a variety of chemicals and toxins. That's a hard one for my son, he has very picky eating habits, and I often have to hide nutritional mickees in him. In regards to garlic. Some can and some can't. Allyic sulfides (notice sulphate) can be extremely affective for some, for others may produce the headaches in the first place. I give my son lots of b-1 derived from garlic. Seems to help him? My son was suspected to have a mitochondrial disorder, in which the protocol would be nothing, but antioxidants, Vitamin A, E, C, K, CoQ10, Nicotinamide etc. This may also help you. Egg allergies are classicaly people who react badly to vaccines by the way.

I am not sure why people would get wasting diseases back then but that may be a clue for you. Wasting diseases are always starting in the GUT. So pay attention to that plumbing. I did not say anything about cholestrol, but you may look into THROMBAPHILIA (clotting problems in the blood). Lots of people with CFS or EBV or autism and or their parents have this problem. This basically would have implications with your immune function as well.

Kathy

[ ] Tylenol >> >> > >> >Has anyone noticed any increase in seizures when taking Tylenol. I have, >> and I >> >can't understand why. I haven't asked my dr. about it yet. I am starting >> >tegretol again, and feeling a lessening of the bruxing at night, and more >> normal >> >sleep, but do notice this. Any comments welcome. >> >Van >> > >> > >> > >> >_ >> > >> >

[Guest guest]

I take Tylenol all the time and am fine with it. I also have been OK with narcotics. Anything with codeine. I have been given morphine in the hospital. I can't take aspirin, ibuprofen or NSAIDS.

Evie

Tylenol

Dear Sampterites:

Can we safely take Tylenol without reaction?

Curious

Jim Affinito

skeptic; a person who questions the validity or authenticity of something purporting to be factual. Oxford English Dictionary

"Those who have something to sell, those who wish to influence public opinion, those in power, a skeptic might suggest, have a vested interest in discouraging skepticism." Carl Sagan

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." lin

[Guest guest]

Yes, it is totally safe (as opposed to Advil, Ibprofen, etc.).

PS -- there's a " p " in ske*tic, but not in sam*ters.

Ken West

From: james affinito <jamesaffinito@...>

Reply-samters

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:24:01 -0700 (PDT)

samters

Subject: Tylenol

Dear Sampterites:

Can we safely take Tylenol without reaction?

Curious

Jim Affinito

skeptic; a person who questions the validity or authenticity of something

purporting to be factual. Oxford English Dictionary

" Those who have something to sell, those who wish to influence public

opinion, those in power, a skeptic might suggest, have a vested interest in

discouraging skepticism. " Carl Sagan

" They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety

deserve neither liberty nor safety. " lin

[Guest guest]

I can, and have, but I really try to stay away from everything.

Apparantly tylenol is totally different fron aspirin and its cousin

ibuprofin. For instance, when my kids were little and would get a high

fever, the peds would tell me I could give them both tylenol and advil

because they do different things to the body.

Good luck.

Judy

[Guest guest]

Even tylenol give me stomach problems. When I have a headache or

something I just suffer through it.

Re: Tylenol

I can, and have, but I really try to stay away from everything.

Apparantly tylenol is totally different fron aspirin and its cousin

ibuprofin. For instance, when my kids were little and would get a high

fever, the peds would tell me I could give them both tylenol and advil

because they do different things to the body.

Good luck.

Judy

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In a message dated 9/21/02 2:33:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

stfrancis@... writes:

> Now come the latest revelations, one's we have known for years, that Tylenol

> (Acetaminophen) can cause serious liver damage. I could never figure out

> why doctor's were so quick to hand out Tylenol for pain and inflammation

> when Acetaminophen does not have anti-inflamatory properties.

>

>

I know some of us are unable to take NSAID and understand why some cannot

take them. Most of us, however, until we find we can't take them, will

benefit from them. Acetaminophen is probably the single most effective

non-prescription medication for lower back pain and has the fewest side

affects *when taken as directed.* Unlike aspirin and non-steroidal

anti-inflammatory drugs, acetaminophen does not have an anti-inflammatory

effect. Instead, it relieves pain by working centrally (in the brain) to

switch off the perception of pain. This is why it is important to take other

things for anti-inflammatory effect. Because of the news lately about

tylenol, some of us may be wondering about drugs like Vicodin. Besides my

NSAID (indocin) I've been taking vicodin for many years (10yrs) without one

abnormal liver test (I have them every 6 months)...2-3 tablets daily. My

vicodin is 5mg vicodin with 500mg tylenol. The recommended *TOTAL* daily dose

of tylenol should not exceed 4 grams (which is whopping 4000mg.) Unless you

have abnormal liver problems (drink alcoholic bev. or have C. hepatitis, etc)

we shouldn't be afraid to take tylenol or vicodin or some of the other pain

medicines that have tylenol in it. If anyone should take more than 8 vicodin

daily, this could cause problems. I believe the FDA is looking into this

because people were not aware that many preparations had tylenol in it...and

they were exceeding the daily amounts. Kidney problems come with some of the

other NSAID and we should be monitored by having our blood checked

periodically...as most of our doctors do.

Best regards, Connie (granny)

Note: Vicodin with tylenol comes in different strengths (the one I

mentioned:5mg/500 tylenol, 7.5mg/750mg tylenol,10mg/660mg tylenol)

http://www.999.com.cn/Professional/Education/Conference/200103/7844820010329.h

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http://www.healthsquare.com/rx/vicodin.htm

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/21/02 4:46:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

KayBraddock@... writes:

> For people who are on methotrexate

Great you mentioning that, Kay. Are there other drugs besides Methotrexate

that might stress the liver? Anyone know?

[Guest guest]

A medication called Norco contains the same medication as Vicodin with out

Tylenol. For people who are on methotrexate, which stresses the liver also,

Norco is sometimes a better choice.

Kay

[Guest guest]

Another thing worth mentioning is that you always take acetaminophen with a

bit of food, crackers, bread, just a little something. Helps the liver

metabolize the medicine with less stress. I've exhausted teh NSAIDs too,

and all I've taken for the past year or so is Tylenol Extra Strength, which

is 500 mg each. I take two up to 4 times a day, not to exceed 4 g.

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

We know tylenol is bad for the liver but like all things we need to

keep this in perspective. Taken in MODERATION you should have no

problems with it. Moderation for tylenol means no more than 4 a

day...some drs say no more than 2 a day. I think it's a matter of

using our heads in this area. Common sense works wonders!

When I was on treatment, I had terrible headaches. I mean AWFUL ones.

My Dr finally gave me Darvocet. It is made with tylenol, but unlike

tylenol or any other pain reliever I tried, it got rid of my

headaches. He prescribed it at once every 4 hours as needed. I took

one about half hour before my shots. That's all I ever needed. And

that was 3 times a week, as we did our shots that often then.

I learned that sometimes you have to do what you have to do to help

get yourself out of pain. The darvocet worked for me. I never took

any on days I didn't do a shot. Even when I started the Pegasys, I

didn't take them unless I absolutely needed it. I think while I was

on Pegasys I only took the darvocet 3 times. I didn't seem to have

the headaches the other form of interferon caused me.

We should be the same with the tylenol. When I had aches and pains,

and still do, I used a heating pad. It worked much better and didn't

harm any part of my internal organs!

I think as long as we are using common sense, and not taking it

unless we really feel we need it, we will be ok. When they say

tylenol is bad for the liver, they are talking about MASSIVE doses

not 2 pills a day.

Did that answer your question Marilyn? Confusing I know but as you

know, every single Hepatologist and gastroenterologist says something

different!

LeighAnn

[Guest guest]

Leighannv,

My doctor seems so reluctant to prescribe ANYTHING extra for me...I had to beg

for some meds. to alleviate a horrible itching rash, then beg him for something

to help me sleep. Sure I had a history of drug/alcohol abuse, but I've been

clean and sober for 15 yrs.

I have heard of other drs. prescribing darvocets and percocets for the sides.

Do they actually help the fatigue, aches, pains and fever?

jay

[Guest guest]

Hee, hee, Leigh Ann - you hit it on the head! Every doctor has something

different to say, and the doctor that told me about the Tylenol isn't one I

trust very much anyway. I am *extremely* fortunate that I almost never get

headaches, maybe one a year that is a doozy, so I trust aspirin for it.

I loved what you said about the Darvocet. My sister is in a really high-powered

job that usually only men have, so image is very important to her. When she

turned 50, she had a complete face lift. The doctor prescribed something in the

morphine family for her pain management, and it did nothing. She asked the

nurses if the doctor would give her Darvocet, because it had always managed her

pain so well. They said it was so much less a pain reliever than what she was

getting, but the doctor went along with her. The Darvocet worked wonders, the

nurses were amazed.

For my other aches and pains, a heating pad is my choice, too. I know I'm a

little older than you, but we were kind of " raised " on them, don't you think?

Marilyn

Re: Tylenol

Marilyn,

We know tylenol is bad for the liver but like all things we need to

keep this in perspective. Taken in MODERATION you should have no

problems with it. Moderation for tylenol means no more than 4 a

day...some drs say no more than 2 a day. I think it's a matter of

using our heads in this area. Common sense works wonders!

When I was on treatment, I had terrible headaches. I mean AWFUL ones.

My Dr finally gave me Darvocet. It is made with tylenol, but unlike

tylenol or any other pain reliever I tried, it got rid of my

headaches. He prescribed it at once every 4 hours as needed. I took

one about half hour before my shots. That's all I ever needed. And

that was 3 times a week, as we did our shots that often then.

I learned that sometimes you have to do what you have to do to help

get yourself out of pain. The darvocet worked for me. I never took

any on days I didn't do a shot. Even when I started the Pegasys, I

didn't take them unless I absolutely needed it. I think while I was

on Pegasys I only took the darvocet 3 times. I didn't seem to have

the headaches the other form of interferon caused me.

We should be the same with the tylenol. When I had aches and pains,

and still do, I used a heating pad. It worked much better and didn't

harm any part of my internal organs!

I think as long as we are using common sense, and not taking it

unless we really feel we need it, we will be ok. When they say

tylenol is bad for the liver, they are talking about MASSIVE doses

not 2 pills a day.

Did that answer your question Marilyn? Confusing I know but as you

know, every single Hepatologist and gastroenterologist says something

different!

LeighAnn

[Guest guest]

Did I mention I was a substance abuse counselor....?

Darvocet is quite addictive.

I'm not judgin', I'm just sayin'...

Re: Re: Tylenol

The Darvocet worked wonders, the nurses were amazed.

[Guest guest]

How is darvocet addictive? Does it cause a high?

[Guest guest]

How? Its a central nervous system depressant, like alcohol or heroin.

High? It has a pretty high street value.....

RE: Re: Tylenol

How is darvocet addictive? Does it cause a high?

[Guest guest]

I had no idea about that. [darvocet]