Re: IV Vitamin C therapy

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Not really, I was on a alternative health list for HepC 10 years ago, and you can't imagine the crazy stuff people do, and spend money on. I think the IV Vit C was in high doses, because it is hard on the stomach, and you can lose your stomach lining if you ingest too much. Be careful. I take 3grms of ester C that is suppose to be safer.

I like the scientific ideas of certain IV therapies and looked into them. I have a naturopath that performs these in my city; under a doctor's supervision. Insurance doesn't cover them. IV ozonation, IV chelation. I think those two things would 1 reduce my viral load and the chelation would probably remove those gnarly immune complexes that line our veins and arteries that give us that neuropathy symptoms like eye focus problems, shoulder, joint pain, and muscle pain with circulatory problems, but at 100 bucks an IV, and 3X a week is too rich for me : )

-- [ ] IV Vitamin C therapy

Sharon I take 3 grams of C a day and been thinking of taking more. I don't care for IV but this is interesting. I buy C in the big bottle do you have any idea of just how much we hepers should be taking.Charley

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$100? where do you live?

Here in Salt Lake City they are $175 each.

Only thing they did was lower my ALT and AST from 170 and 110 to 89 and 69. For that I paid a lot of money. 8 months worth.

Oh, and during that time, my viral load tripled.

Found out much later, the VL increase could have been due to Hep A & B vaccinations and taking antibiotics for a tooth infection.

Article about Vitamin C therapy.

http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm

I've been taking the stuff in the bottle too, the powder, it is pure ascorbic acid and I buffer it with a little baking soda.

It's fizzes in the water, then I add juice. I take 2 - 3 T a day. Been doing that for about a week now.

1 T = about 12 grams

Kat

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Date: 1/14/2009 4:11:37 PM

Subject: [ ] IV Vitamin C therapy

Sharon I take 3 grams of C a day and been thinking of taking more. I don't care for IV but this is interesting. I buy C in the big bottle do you have any idea of just how much we hepers should be taking.Charley

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Vitamin C and HCV still controversial. I still take a daily dose, however and I don't take anything not recommended by my liver doc, except milk thistle and he approved that.

Plasmatic vitamin C in nontreated hepatitis C patients is negatively associated with aspartate aminotransferase:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119421801/abstract?CRETRY=1 & SRETRY=0

Canadian standards of nutrician and HCV; safe levels of Vitamin C unknown:

http://www.hemophilia.ca/files/NutritionCare%20-%20HepC.pdf

Iron and Vitamin C

Some people with hepatitis C, particularly those with cirrhosis, have above-average levels of iron in their body. Too much iron can damage organs. If these people choose to take multivitamin or mineral pills, they should take ones without iron. These pills are usually marketed as formulas for men or adults over 50.

These people should also avoid taking large doses of vitamin C because it helps the body absorb iron. http://hepatitis-c.emedtv.com/hepatitis-c/hepatitis-c-and-vitamins-p2.html

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Sharon I take 3 grams of C a day and been thinking of taking more. I don't care for IV but this is interesting. I buy C in the big bottle do you have any idea of just how much we hepers should be taking.Charley

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hey there are these packets of vit c mix in water many flavored 1000vc per pack makes water some thing else to drink lol and i buy the ones that have added joint stuff love the stuff at walmart for 8 dollars health store for around 15.00 and walgreens for around 8 hoping it helps Mae

From: Mak <m6a3k9@...> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:30:24 AMSubject: RE: [ ] IV Vitamin C therapy

$100? where do you live?

Here in Salt Lake City they are $175 each.

Only thing they did was lower my ALT and AST from 170 and 110 to 89 and 69. For that I paid a lot of money. 8 months worth.

Oh, and during that time, my viral load tripled.

Found out much later, the VL increase could have been due to Hep A & B vaccinations and taking antibiotics for a tooth infection.

Article about Vitamin C therapy.

http://www.orthomed .com/titrate. htm

I've been taking the stuff in the bottle too, the powder, it is pure ascorbic acid and I buffer it with a little baking soda.

It's fizzes in the water, then I add juice. I take 2 - 3 T a day. Been doing that for about a week now.

1 T = about 12 grams

Kat

From: Charley

Date: 1/14/2009 4:11:37 PM

Subject: [ ] IV Vitamin C therapy

Sharon I take 3 grams of C a day and been thinking of taking more. I don't care for IV but this is interesting. I buy C in the big bottle do you have any idea of just how much we hepers should be taking.Charley

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We are talking about IV therapy at high doses. I heard it was only for genotype 3s. It won't do much for anyone else. I wanted to do the IV H3PO3 therapy, and the chelation therapy at 100 bucks a pop, reducing viral load and immune complex chelation to give my body a boost, but gee....my family needs money more than my silly ol' body which will one day be in the ground.

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Sharon I take 3 grams of C a day and been thinking of taking more. I don't care for IV but this is interesting. I buy C in the big bottle do you have any idea of just how much we hepers should be taking.Charley

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now that chelation therapy is a great thing know some folks who have artery problems and the therapy is very helpfull as to the vit c therapy its a feel good hmm too much money right better spent other ways soo true

From: Sharon <swarfiel@...> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:22:31 PMSubject: Re: [ ] IV Vitamin C therapy

We are talking about IV therapy at high doses. I heard it was only for genotype 3s. It won't do much for anyone else. I wanted to do the IV H3PO3 therapy, and the chelation therapy at 100 bucks a pop, reducing viral load and immune complex chelation to give my body a boost, but gee....my family needs money more than my silly ol' body which will one day be in the ground.

-- [ ] IV Vitamin C therapy

Sharon I take 3 grams of C a day and been thinking of taking more. I don't care for IV but this is interesting. I buy C in the big bottle do you have any idea of just how much we hepers should be taking.Charley

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Yep, EmergenC $8-$15 for 36 packets, 36,000 mg of C. 9 grams, according to the box.

Just bought 3# of pure ascorbic acid, and buffered it myself with a tiny bit of sodium bicarbonate. 1361 grams for $45.

If Emergen-C is $8 a box and that's a bargain, that's about $1200 worth for $45.

1/2 tsp has 2.25 grams of C, or 2,250 mg.

Don't get me wrong, I love EmergenC. But it's not for vitamin C therapy.

In order to take the same amount of C that I'm taking right now, I would need to take an entire box of EmergenC DAILY.

$2400 a month.....

The best and most economical way to get large amounts of C is in powder form.

You might find this article interesting.

http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm

I started with 36 grams a day, now I'm taking just 24 grams a day.

The way to tell your tolerance level is in the article.

The more your body is dealing with, the more you can tolerate.

Love and health!

Kat

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Sharon I take 3 grams of C a day and been thinking of taking more. I don't care for IV but this is interesting. I buy C in the big bottle do you have any idea of just how much we hepers should be taking.Charley

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yes i love emergc also its a decent product really for folks who have trouble drinking their fluids and eating enough food to get enough especially if your a smoker since smoking really decreases vit c soo read the article know some of the hype about iv vit c tx and ingest vit c in large amounts how long have you been doing this ? what do you see happening from this tx? are you on tx?whats your stats with hep c? yes i am curious have been ;did some checking on this yrs ago but once i started with my accuputure and she told there really is no cure for hep c but tx and this is a person i trust totally i gave up on alternative txs lol dont know anymore than anyone else on here but doing the best i can to beat

this with tx than i will go back to my herbs . fingers are crossed prayers are said being positive especially since i started back on sam-e which my doc said i could cause i couldnt do the ant-dep what a zombie so answer if you care too Mae

From: Mak <m6a3k9@...> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:25:59 PMSubject: RE: [ ] IV Vitamin C therapy

Yep, EmergenC $8-$15 for 36 packets, 36,000 mg of C. 9 grams, according to the box.

Just bought 3# of pure ascorbic acid, and buffered it myself with a tiny bit of sodium bicarbonate. 1361 grams for $45.

If Emergen-C is $8 a box and that's a bargain, that's about $1200 worth for $45.

1/2 tsp has 2.25 grams of C, or 2,250 mg.

Don't get me wrong, I love EmergenC. But it's not for vitamin C therapy.

In order to take the same amount of C that I'm taking right now, I would need to take an entire box of EmergenC DAILY.

$2400 a month.....

The best and most economical way to get large amounts of C is in powder form.

You might find this article interesting.

http://www.orthomed .com/titrate. htm

I started with 36 grams a day, now I'm taking just 24 grams a day.

The way to tell your tolerance level is in the article.

The more your body is dealing with, the more you can tolerate.

Love and health!

Kat

[ ] IV Vitamin C therapy

Sharon I take 3 grams of C a day and been thinking of taking more. I don't care for IV but this is interesting. I buy C in the big bottle do you have any idea of just how much we hepers should be taking.Charley

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Hi Mae,

When I was doing the nutritional IV's which are mostly C and selenium, my ALT and AST lowered from 170 and 110 to 89 and 69. I couldn't afford to keep doing them at $170 3 times week. google "Myer's cocktail"

I was too sick to do Tx when I found out I had Hep C. I had chronic Hep C that developed in 2005-2006 and was diagnosed in Oct 2006. I no longer have the chronic symptoms I had. I have taken supplements and watch what I eat. I try to get exercise. When I got sick I could hardly do the elliptical trainer on the 1 level. Now I get up to 10 and 11 during my workout. It took about 18 months to recover.

I read that article and decided to give C a go. I realize the effect that C has on iron, so I avoid C with food. I take my C on an empty stomach. C doesn't last long in the body, "Vitamin C requires several doses per day" so I avoid helping the iron be absorbed by taking them separately. I also have found that calcium, vitamin E and green tea bind the iron so that it is eliminated instead of being absorbed. So I take calcium, E and green tea with my greens, which are my primary source of iron. I don't eat red meat or liver.

I know this helps. My chiropractor convinced me to do the opposite and after a week or two I began to feel crappy. He wanted me to get my iron....

not realizing that the virus uses it to replicate. I thought that I was well enough to do it. I began following the above protocol and felt better within a week.

There is no cure for Hep C. Period. Even if the Tx gets you to an undetectable level in your blood, they have found the virus is still in the livers of those people. And even if you have an undetectable viral load, you cannot donate organs or blood ever. I do hope that you become undetectable after putting your body through Tx Hell. That is the best thing that could happen.

And then there is the brain damage the Interferon causes....http://www.interferon.ws/Interferon_Harmful_to_The_Brain.htm

I think there are to many people out there using fear to make us do harmful things to our bodies.

Only 1-3% will get liver cancer.

Out of 100 people with Hep C.

http://hcvadvocate.org/hepatitis/factsheets.asp

scroll down to

100 people infected with hepatitis c and see the statistics.

I was told that once I went chronic I would just continue to progress to cirrhosis and a liver transplant.

Now I am symptom free. How's that?

Doesn't make any sense! LOL

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Sharon I take 3 grams of C a day and been thinking of taking more. I don't care for IV but this is interesting. I buy C in the big bottle do you have any idea of just how much we hepers should be taking.Charley

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hey very happy this has worked for you thru the yrs the reason i am doing tx is because i am getting worse been tracking everything the growths on my liver was the last straw ; this time;was always into natural and eating to be healthy ; red meat and i parted company 30 some yrs ago at least lol ;i like cows ;eat chicken fish go thru periods of it mostly veggie is me and if you eat at least half your diet raw which is really just a salad with some veggies and some fruit like bananas apples grapes just throw some together with yogurt hmmm some veggies are better for you cooked like mushrooms so power to whatever works for us everyone is different THANK GOD

for that now to my news 1st day without drugs i hope you got your mess fixed Peg i thought i had mine my drug rep nurse and i through my docs office went through my ins which the co changed new yr new co humana hmo commerical tied drug levels 4th tier for the hep c drugs 2500.00 yr co-pay then its a 100.00 a mo well through walgreens 1800.00 1st mo cant do it through the drug service ins co 600.00 a mo till the 2500.00 is pd was going to deliver today i pd it just was going to be broke for awhile so that was going to be for 4-5 mos then my docs office called said they will come up with something else seeing them tues afternoon said they should have something worked out by then maybe its trials new drugs we will see they had no more samples ohh went

through roche too make too much money ohh well damed if you do damned if you dont!!!so they said dont take the pills i had left just quit! so here i am lol drugless waiting to see what sides will happen fingers are crossed hoping my viral load doesnt jump waiting on last weeks bloodwork trying to stay positive easier said than done ins cos suck!! lol just my 2 cents BE POSITIVE Mae

From: Mak <m6a3k9@...> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:46:01 AMSubject: RE: [ ] IV Vitamin C therapy

Hi Mae,

When I was doing the nutritional IV's which are mostly C and selenium, my ALT and AST lowered from 170 and 110 to 89 and 69. I couldn't afford to keep doing them at $170 3 times week. google "Myer's cocktail"

I was too sick to do Tx when I found out I had Hep C. I had chronic Hep C that developed in 2005-2006 and was diagnosed in Oct 2006. I no longer have the chronic symptoms I had. I have taken supplements and watch what I eat. I try to get exercise. When I got sick I could hardly do the elliptical trainer on the 1 level. Now I get up to 10 and 11 during my workout. It took about 18 months to recover.

I read that article and decided to give C a go. I realize the effect that C has on iron, so I avoid C with food. I take my C on an empty stomach. C doesn't last long in the body, "Vitamin C requires several doses per day" so I avoid helping the iron be absorbed by taking them separately. I also have found that calcium, vitamin E and green tea bind the iron so that it is eliminated instead of being absorbed. So I take calcium, E and green tea with my greens, which are my primary source of iron. I don't eat

red meat or liver.

I know this helps. My chiropractor convinced me to do the opposite and after a week or two I began to feel crappy. He wanted me to get my iron....

not realizing that the virus uses it to replicate. I thought that I was well enough to do it. I began following the above protocol and felt better within a week.

There is no cure for Hep C. Period. Even if the Tx gets you to an undetectable level in your blood, they have found the virus is still in the livers of those people. And even if you have an undetectable viral load, you cannot donate organs or blood ever. I do hope that you become undetectable after putting your body through Tx Hell. That is the best thing that could happen.

And then there is the brain damage the Interferon causes....http://www.interfer on.ws/Interferon _Harmful_ to_The_Brain. htm

I think there are to many people out there using fear to make us do harmful things to our bodies.

Only 1-3% will get liver cancer.

Out of 100 people with Hep C.

http://hcvadvocate. org/hepatitis/ factsheets. asp

scroll down to

100 people infected with hepatitis c and see the statistics.

I was told that once I went chronic I would just continue to progress to cirrhosis and a liver transplant.

Now I am symptom free. How's that?

Doesn't make any sense! LOL

[ ] IV Vitamin C therapy

Sharon I take 3 grams of C a day and been thinking of taking more. I don't care for IV but this is interesting. I buy C in the big bottle do you have any idea of just how much we hepers should be taking.Charley

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good luck to you too Mae.

I think you are on the right track.

Cheers!

Kat