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hi, i am having one level fusion L3 - L4. one doctor said he would use the

bone from inside where he is doing fusion. he said there would be enough

left over bone. the other doctor said that he no longer uses bones from the

body. that he now uses artificial stuff made for this purpose (i forgot the

name). does anyone know anything about this or have any experience with this?

thanks, marsha

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Hi Marsha

sorry i dont know anything about the artifical stuff but i had two double disc

fusions they used donar bone, which is suppost to be better than useing your own

as far as healing time so i would go with the artificial stuff i think it would

be less painful & have a shorter healing time just my thoughts you have to go

with your own choice

cheryl

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hi, i am having one level fusion L3 - L4. one doctor said he would use the

bone from inside where he is doing fusion. he said there would be enough

left over bone. the other doctor said that he no longer uses bones from the

body. that he now uses artificial stuff made for this purpose (i forgot the

name). does anyone know anything about this or have any experience with this?

thanks, marsha

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I had a 2 level fusion 11 weeks ago and the Dr said he had several options: 1)

use cadaver bone, 2) use bone from my hip or 3) use artifical bone made out of a

plastic. I did not know which way he was going to go because we were unsure of

how small the spaces in my spine were. He ended up using cadaver bone. I had

previous surgery ( non spine related) where they used bone from my hip and it

was more painful than the actual surgery site.

Good Luck

Debra

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hi, i am having one level fusion L3 - L4. one doctor said he would use the

bone from inside where he is doing fusion. he said there would be enough

left over bone. the other doctor said that he no longer uses bones from the

body. that he now uses artificial stuff made for this purpose (i forgot the

name). does anyone know anything about this or have any experience with this?

thanks, marsha

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debra, i never heard that before about not sure which bone to use bec.

unsure of sze of space. (just another question to ask surgeon about) at what

level

was your fusion? how are you feeling now?

marsha

I had a 2 level fusion 11 weeks ago and the Dr said he had several options:

1) use cadaver bone, 2) use bone from my hip or 3) use artifical bone made

out of a plastic. I did not know which way he was going to go because we were

unsure of how small the spaces in my spine were. He ended up using cadaver

bone. I had previous surgery ( non spine related) where they used bone from

my hip and it was more painful than the actual surgery site.

Good Luck

Debra

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At 02:34 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:

>hi, i am having one level fusion L3 - L4. one doctor said he would use the

>bone from inside where he is doing fusion. he said there would be enough

>left over bone. the other doctor said that he no longer uses bones from the

>body. that he now uses artificial stuff made for this purpose (i forgot the

>name). does anyone know anything about this or have any experience with

>this?

Marsha, my surgeon did a combo of both when he did my multi-level fusion

eighteen months ago. He used bone material left over from my lamenectomy

done at the same time as well as the powdered material that mixes with

water and is added to bone material.

http://thebacklog.blogspot.com/

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I am a weird case because my cervical spine was fused genetically in several

places and the discs that weren't fused were so injured and flattened that there

was not much room. We are talking millimeters.

The Dr fused C2-3 and C4-5 so I my cervical spine is completely fused now

except for C1-2. As of today, I am no longer in my hard collar and can wean

myself off my soft collar and begin to drive. My Dr was extrememly conservative

with me though. He said many of his patients are weaned from their collar at 6-8

weeks. My spine is not completely fused but it is well on its way.

I have had some issues of numbness in my left hand but other than that I am

feeling amazing... I do not have any pain at all.

BLEECKERST10012@... wrote:

debra, i never heard that before about not sure which bone to use bec.

unsure of sze of space. (just another question to ask surgeon about) at what

level

was your fusion? how are you feeling now?

marsha

I had a 2 level fusion 11 weeks ago and the Dr said he had several options:

1) use cadaver bone, 2) use bone from my hip or 3) use artifical bone made

out of a plastic. I did not know which way he was going to go because we were

unsure of how small the spaces in my spine were. He ended up using cadaver

bone. I had previous surgery ( non spine related) where they used bone from

my hip and it was more painful than the actual surgery site.

Good Luck

Debra

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Hi Marsha

I am not sure but i think my last fusion was i levels l 4-5 it was two years

ago i have DDD so it just keeps going the surgery did help for about a year & a

half but my DR said thats very unusall it is suppost to last a lot longer that

that my DDDis rapid so everything just keeps going i have bone spurs above the

surgery site which i had 1 year after surgery i had an MRI last week so i dont

know if theres more damage yet i also have an irritated nerve that is causeing

pain shooting down my right leg but it isnt from the surgery i would go with the

DR & try not to worry i know thats not easy i am always scared to death before

surgery but it turns out ok like i said my DDD is rapid my dr said its because

i smoke but i dont plan on quitting any time soon i know i should but i am not

ready yet. i hope everything goes well for you i will be thinking of you let me

know if you have any more questions Cheryl

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cheryl, where was your fusion - at what level and how long ago and how are

you doing now?

thanks, marsha

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Cheryl, I think I have you beat, and I don't even smoke, so don't beat

yourself up too much. I'm only 18 months post-op multi-level lumbar

fusion, and I now have DDD that has advanced enough to cause a bulging disc

at one level and a herniated disc at yet another level, both above the

fusion site. Plus, I have stenosis at those new levels and diskitis as

well as synovitis, an inflammation around the vertebrae.

My surgeon has suggested more surgery. This never seems to end.

http://thebacklog.blogspot.com/

At 10:56 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Marsha

> I am not sure but i think my last fusion was i levels l 4-5 it was two

> years ago i have DDD so it just keeps going the surgery did help for

> about a year & a half but my DR said thats very unusall it is suppost to

> last a lot longer that that my DDDis rapid so everything just keeps going

> i have bone spurs above the surgery site which i had 1 year after surgery

> i had an MRI last week so i dont know if theres more damage yet i also

> have an irritated nerve that is causeing pain shooting down my right leg

> but it isnt from the surgery i would go with the DR & try not to worry i

> know thats not easy i am always scared to death before surgery but it

> turns out ok like i said my DDD is rapid my dr said its because i smoke

> but i dont plan on quitting any time soon i know i should but i am not

> ready yet. i hope everything goes well for you i will be thinking of you

> let me know if you have any more questions Cheryl

>

>BLEECKERST10012@... wrote:

> cheryl, where was your fusion - at what level and how long ago and how

> are

>you doing now?

>thanks, marsha

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In a message dated 4/25/2006 8:40:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

debrar65@... writes:

I have had some issues of numbness in my left hand but other than that I am

feeling amazing... I do not have any pain at all.

outside of being terrified of the surgery itself and of course the pain, i

am very excited and am so ready for the surgery. i want to feel amazing.

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cheryl, the hardest thing i ever did was quit smoking. but it was the most

freeing experience i've ever had. smoking was the one thing i was never

going to give up. i was willing to give up everything else. but god has a

sense

of humour.

he let me keep all my other character defects, which i was wlllng to give

up but

he gave me a really bad asthma nite and i thought if i die there will be

nobody to raise my kid. i never smoked after that night. that was about 16

years ago maybe. just thought i'd pass that story on.

marsha

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Hi

I am sorry your haveing so many problems i guess you do have me beat i just

had an MRI last week & i have no new problems just deteration is wosrt i now

need an MRI to rule out M.S. because i have dizzy spells where everything turns

black & my heart beats really hard & fast i feel sick & shakey & weak i need to

lay down till it goes away another thing is that my b/p is not under controll

yet so she had to increase my meds for that i am takeing 600mgs of nerioton 3

times a day which helps with muscle spamas heat flashes emotional roll coaster

pain etc. also oxy 40mgs for pain 5mgs oxy for break through pain b/p/ med &

black chosho for heat flashes thats a lot but i need it to get through the day

i know people take more than that . the last thing is she thinks the stimulation

device would make a big difference too her aunt got one & it changed her life i

really want to try it but i dont know how much my insurence will pay for so i

dont know if i can get it yet. have a

good day Cheryl

<karens@...> wrote:

Cheryl, I think I have you beat, and I don't even smoke, so don't beat

yourself up too much. I'm only 18 months post-op multi-level lumbar

fusion, and I now have DDD that has advanced enough to cause a bulging disc

at one level and a herniated disc at yet another level, both above the

fusion site. Plus, I have stenosis at those new levels and diskitis as

well as synovitis, an inflammation around the vertebrae.

My surgeon has suggested more surgery. This never seems to end.

http://thebacklog.blogspot.com/

At 10:56 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Marsha

> I am not sure but i think my last fusion was i levels l 4-5 it was two

> years ago i have DDD so it just keeps going the surgery did help for

> about a year & a half but my DR said thats very unusall it is suppost to

> last a lot longer that that my DDDis rapid so everything just keeps going

> i have bone spurs above the surgery site which i had 1 year after surgery

> i had an MRI last week so i dont know if theres more damage yet i also

> have an irritated nerve that is causeing pain shooting down my right leg

> but it isnt from the surgery i would go with the DR & try not to worry i

> know thats not easy i am always scared to death before surgery but it

> turns out ok like i said my DDD is rapid my dr said its because i smoke

> but i dont plan on quitting any time soon i know i should but i am not

> ready yet. i hope everything goes well for you i will be thinking of you

> let me know if you have any more questions Cheryl

>

>BLEECKERST10012@... wrote:

> cheryl, where was your fusion - at what level and how long ago and how

> are

>you doing now?

>thanks, marsha

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Cheryl, I hope you don't have to deal with something like MS on top of

everything else. Best of luck with that MRI. I just had my latest one

about a month ago. It showed nothing but bad news.

Could it be that some of your symptoms are because of your Neurontin (the

dizzy spells and the sick and shaky feeling)?

At 07:03 PM 4/26/2006, you wrote:

>Hi

> I am sorry your haveing so many problems i guess you do have me beat i

> just had an MRI last week & i have no new problems just deteration is

> wosrt i now need an MRI to rule out M.S. because i have dizzy spells

> where everything turns black & my heart beats really hard & fast i feel

> sick & shakey & weak i need to lay down till it goes away another thing

> is that my b/p is not under controll yet so she had to increase my meds

> for that i am takeing 600mgs of nerioton 3 times a day which helps with

> muscle spamas heat flashes emotional roll coaster pain etc. also oxy

> 40mgs for pain 5mgs oxy for break through pain b/p/ med & black chosho

> for heat flashes thats a lot but i need it to get through the day i know

> people take more than that . the last thing is she thinks the stimulation

> device would make a big difference too her aunt got one & it changed her

> life i really want to try it but i dont know how much my insurence will

> pay for so i dont know if i can get it yet. have a

>good day Cheryl

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BLEECKERST10012@... wrote: hi, i am having one level fusion L3 - L4. one

doctor said he would use the

bone from inside where he is doing fusion. he said there would be enough

left over bone. the other doctor said that he no longer uses bones from the

body. that he now uses artificial stuff made for this purpose (i forgot the

name). does anyone know anything about this or have any experience with this?

thanks, marsha

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> >Hi

> > I am sorry your haveing so many problems i guess you do have

me beat i

> > just had an MRI last week & i have no new problems just

deteration is

> > wosrt i now need an MRI to rule out M.S. because i have dizzy

spells

> > where everything turns black & my heart beats really hard &

fast i feel

> > sick & shakey & weak i need to lay down till it goes away

another thing

> > is that my b/p is not under controll yet so she had to increase

my meds

> > for that i am takeing 600mgs of nerioton 3 times a day which

helps with

> > muscle spamas heat flashes emotional roll coaster pain etc. also

oxy

> > 40mgs for pain 5mgs oxy for break through pain b/p/ med & black

chosho

> > for heat flashes thats a lot but i need it to get through the

day i know

> > people take more than that . the last thing is she thinks the

stimulation

> > device would make a big difference too her aunt got one & it

changed her

> > life i really want to try it but i dont know how much my

insurence will

> > pay for so i dont know if i can get it yet. have a

> >good day Cheryl

>

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> >Hi

> > I am sorry your haveing so many problems i guess you do have

me beat i

> > just had an MRI last week & i have no new problems just

deteration is

> > wosrt i now need an MRI to rule out M.S. because i have dizzy

spells

> > where everything turns black & my heart beats really hard &

fast i feel

> > sick & shakey & weak i need to lay down till it goes away

another thing

> > is that my b/p is not under controll yet so she had to increase

my meds

> > for that i am takeing 600mgs of nerioton 3 times a day which

helps with

> > muscle spamas heat flashes emotional roll coaster pain etc. also

oxy

> > 40mgs for pain 5mgs oxy for break through pain b/p/ med & black

chosho

> > for heat flashes thats a lot but i need it to get through the

day i know

> > people take more than that . the last thing is she thinks the

stimulation

> > device would make a big difference too her aunt got one & it

changed her

> > life i really want to try it but i dont know how much my

insurence will

> > pay for so i dont know if i can get it yet. have a

> >good day Cheryl

>

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cheryl, i am on 1800 mg of neurontin right now and it makes me sick to my

stomach sometimes. i would look at the neurontin and other meds before i

looked for ms. marsha

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At 04:27 AM 4/27/2006, you wrote:

>I am going to have to post pone the MRI my husband was upset about

>it because we didnt get the bill for the last one yet its 4am i cant

>sleep because i think he is more worried about money then he is me i

>asked him if its the money or my health he said the money how am i

>suppost to handle this, it has really upset me i understand but it

>hurts. Cheryl

I think the worst time of the day is the wee hours of the morning when we

can't sleep because of the pain we're having or the various worries that

are going through our heads. It's always been that way for me. Your

husband's being honest with you about the bills, but you know he cares

about your well-being, too.

Take care and be strong,

http://thebacklog.blogspot.com/

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Hi Marsha

Thank you for your post, I have had the dizzy spells long before i went on any

of the meds i have now, its been a couple of years i told my other DRs

(problely 4or 5 of them)about it & they just blow it off this is not a

new problem.,after complaining about it for maybe 4 years, i have a dr that

cares it took 10 years for my old dr to find fibro they all told me there was

nothing there my dad & some of his cousins had MS too this is another reason

she wants to rule it out. i have a lot of the same problems my dad had too.

none of my meds are causeing any side ettects like this. thanks again Cheryl

BLEECKERST10012@... wrote:

cheryl, i am on 1800 mg of neurontin right now and it makes me sick to my

stomach sometimes. i would look at the neurontin and other meds before i

looked for ms. marsha

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Interesting about the dizzy spells. The MS history is VERY interesting. I pray

that it's ruled out for you. When I concussed back in September, I had the

effectual dizzy spells. Once I thought the effects of the concussion was over,

I was still getting dizzy. Had the MRI and CT scans... and they presented Acute

Chiari Malformation (Type 1), 10mm. Eventually, I'll have to have the

decompression on the base of my skull and will join the 'zipperhead' fraternity.

I'd like to get past this C5-C6 fusion over the next 6 months before going back

under the knife. There is an entirely different Y! group for ACM

(chiari ) if you are interested.

BY NO MEANS am I diagnosing, rather sharing with you that I also had the same

concerns and another resource where you can inquire.

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Hi Marsha

Thank you for your post, I have had the dizzy spells long before i went on

any of the meds i have now, its been a couple of years i told my other DRs

(problely 4or 5 of them)about it & they just blow it off this is not a

new problem.,after complaining about it for maybe 4 years, i have a dr that

cares it took 10 years for my old dr to find fibro they all told me there was

nothing there my dad & some of his cousins had MS too this is another reason

she wants to rule it out. i have a lot of the same problems my dad had too.

none of my meds are causeing any side ettects like this. thanks again Cheryl

BLEECKERST10012@... wrote:

cheryl, i am on 1800 mg of neurontin right now and it makes me sick to my

stomach sometimes. i would look at the neurontin and other meds before i

looked for ms. marsha

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