Re: Re: Good Morning

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Thank you . I totally agree with you. If my husband can't love me without implants then he is not worth keeping around and I know that I wouldn't hesitate to leave him in a heartbeat if he made me feel less than because of my decision. I'm angry that he's not considering my health first but at this point I also understand. He's only basing his opinion on what my opinion has been for the past 12 yrs....strictly denial. I also know that he adores me and would be crushed if anything happened to me. I just know that he's in denial right now. I won't hold this against him because nothing has ever been confirmed with my health except the depression that the doc keeps throwing at me and he's now getting sick of hearing the doc say that. So because we don't have any conclusive answers we're both in denial. Thats why I was asking awhile back if there was any one specific test that would confirm silicone poisoning or something of that nature. I guess there isn't tho.

I appreciate everyones honesty and need to hear it to help prepare me for what I am going to be going thru. I don't find anything discouraging here that I am reading. I just get discouraged with myself because one minute I know its the right thing to do and the next I'm doubting myself. What if...... is always going thru my mind.

When I spoke to Sandy at the Womens Implant Centre yesterday she told me the same thing about making a decision to have them removed because of the age of the implants and either replace or go without. Reality tells me that I don't have $5,000. to be replacing these things every few years, maybe longer if I'm lucky or maybe shorter if I'm not. Sandy said some woman opt for the saline implants to replace the silicone like I have and have found that their symptoms do not get better but they do not get worse either. I personally don't have the money or the desire for frequent surgeries for the duration of the rest of my life. A lift might be in order tho. We'll see how much the PS quotes me.

Thanks for caring and talking with me.

Jackie

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Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: Good Morning

Dear jackie, I know exactly how you feel, I went through this too, I didn't want to get out the implants at all...I felt that the posts were often discouraging also, like people still seemed sick so what was the point. I am still having really bad days too...so I am not going to deny the fact that that is sounds discouraging, but for me I had to feel I had at least tried, and done everything I could to get better. Well I did..now I am working on my health. I suggest you really need to talk to your husband about what his priorities are, do you really want to be married to a man who values your breast size over your health? that is not the kind of man I want. I am single, but I was dating someone and when I told him the truth he seemed not to care too much about the implants, just that I was ok. Well Jackie it takes time to get well after implants, and I may not ever be what I was, but I am glad to be alive and feel i will get better eventually, and with the implants I would never have that chance. You need to live with your decisions...pray about it and do what you need to do for yourself not for your husband. If he can't love you without your implants he really isn't worth much is he?Remember also that 12 year old implants are way past there life span and you need to replace or get them out anyway...good luck and godbless you in this struggle...I can totally understand how yu feelIn egroups, "Jackie " <poopie@t...> wrote:> Hello ladies, > > Hope this note finds you all well. I've been reading your posts and I can't honestly say they have been helping me but I'm still reading. I believe the reason is because I'm sitting in denial. I know in my heart that the implants have to come out and yet I go thru periods each day that are a little discouraging to say the least. I know I'll deal with this, its just going to take some time. > > I do have some positive news tho. I finally spoke to one of the woman from the Women's Implant Centre here in Vancouver yesterday and she was able to answer alot of my questions including cost of explantation. It seems our medical system here in BC WILL cover the cost of removing the implants so I don't have to worry about that cost. They have a list of some excellent Dr's that will perform this if my PS gives me the usual sales pitch about not being satisfied with my body afterwards. She gave me the option of trying my PS first and then if I'm not satisfied I can go and see them for a recommendation. I have booked an appointment tomorrow with my GP to get a referral to my PS and I have booked an appointment with my PS on January 16th to discuss removal and the cost of a breast lift. I have started the ball rolling. > > My husband doesn't want to discuss this with me, he says it gives him the shivers. I asked him what does, the idea of me being flat chested or the thought of the operation, to which he replied "I don't know" Has anyone ever lost their husbands because they went back to being small chested? Probably. What a stupid question eh? Anyway, I'll deal with it as it comes up. You all have a great day and I'll see ya real soon. > > Jackie

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Hi ,

Wow, you must be getting excited about your big move. Its sneaking right up on you. We're not going to lose you here are we? I hope not. I look forward to hearing from you and I still want to know how your progressing with your health and new life. I thought you worked at a college for some reason. Oops! Guess I wasn't paying attention. What exactly is your profession? ER & ICU both sound exciting.

I had my tape taken off my incisions today so my boobs aren't quite as misshaped as they were. My PS told me that I had very little pain because the implants came out so smoothly. He said the implants were still intact with no leakage but because the saline layer had collapsed he made sure he cleaned me out completely incase there was any doubt about leakage or permeability. He didn't want to take a chance of leaving any residue in me and I was pleased with his explanation. He showed me a picture of what I looked like when I went to see him in 1988. hehe I'm bigger now than I was then. I asked him if he had record of what size I was before the implants and he found in the file I was a 36AA. He asked me why and I told him because I'm still wearing a 36C. I've tried to fit into a B cup but I have too much boob. I don't have any fullness without the implants but I'm still wearing some of my bra's. I might just buy some padding to go in the bottom of my bra's to give me a fuller look. We'll see. At least that way I can continue to use some of the bras I have.

Here's what I have noticed since my explant a week ago yesterday. I had a tremor in my groin area for the past 2 yrs that has driven me crazy and I have tried everything to get rid of it. 3 days after explant I was laying in bed not able to sleep and focussed on my body for the first time and realized I had not experienced the tremors since surgery. I had to adhere to a strict sugarless & yeast free diet in order to try and maintain some energy but for the past 6 mos its been touch and go with alot of muscle weakness. Since Gord was doing the cooking and we were eating out alot because we were running back and forth to the hospital to see mom before her pacemaker was put in, I was not following any kind of a diet. In fact I have not eaten properly since surgery....well at least not the way I had to before. I have been eating sugar and drinking coffee like there's no tomorrow. I'm not getting the headaches and sharp pains that I would instantly get if I veered off my strict diet for one or two mouthfuls. It wasn't worth the pain I experienced. WW3 is not happening in my intestines after eating chocolate. I do have some discomfort but nothing as severe as it was. The muscles weakness is not there. 2 days after surgery I had to use a laxative to get me going again and have been regular since but before surgery I had to depend upon laxatives. It was awful. The heart palpitations that were a constant reminder that something was amiss in my body are now few and far between. They were the last thing I was aware of before I feel asleep at night and the first thing I woke up to in the morning. That used to frustrate me as well because I thought I was doing everything I could to not have any palpitations. Now they are slowly going away. My heart used to feel like it was going to jump out of my chest and that is slowly subsiding. Do you think this is all in my head or do you think these things had something to do with the implants?

I don't plan on staying on a course of destruction as I know its not healthy for me in the long run but I can't believe what I have been able to get away with this past week food-wise with little or no reaction at all. My mind tells me I made the right decision to have the implants removed. There were just too many things my body was trying to tell me and no matter what I tried or how diligent I was with my regime I wasn't making any headway. Your thoughts would be appreciated on this puzzle please.

Take care all and see ya soon.

Jackie

----- Original Message -----

From: carina063@...

Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:22 AM

Subject: Re: Good Morning

Good to hear from you Jackie! I am so glad things went smoothly for you and that your doing so well. Boy my explant was so hard it amazes me when I hear of women who it goes so smoothly for, I guess it just goes to show that no two women are alike and that all breast implants are not created egually. Well stay in touch and let us know how things are going for you! keep us up to date. I knew your hubby would still love you with or without big boobs, I think it is mostly our own image of ourselves that tells us otherwise. Since I no longer have big boobs I still feel and look sexy, I still get tons of compliments, I still enjoy a great sex life, even better now that I am married to such a wonderfull man, and not one person has ever made any remarks like "what happened to you" or anyhting like I imagined they would. ANyhow just goes to show you how our minds can mess with us right?I am getting ready to make my move to Idaho next Tuesday and it feels so weird to be unemployed, but I already have some interviews lined up at the big trauma center in Idaho Falls, hopefully I will get the job in the ER since that is my ture love, ER and ICU. Ok enough of my rambling now.Take care sweety and god bless everyone on this group! In @y..., "Jackie " <poopie@t...> wrote:> Hello all, > > I hope all of you are as well as can be expected. I'm looking forward to getting back into my usual daily grind and keeping up with the emails here. I've been taking it easy and staying off the computer so as not to put any extra stress on my arms and shoulders which seemed to contribute to my tendernous in the past week. > > I thank everyone who responded with kind encouraging words to my explant message. Its been one week now since the explant and I am still totally amazed at how good I'm doing. The tendernous has almost gone and I'm due to have the tape off my breasts tomorrow. Can't wait. I still love my new body and have no regrets at either having the implants or having them out. I have a wonderful supportive husband who is taking good care of me and I couldn't ask for anything more. > > Life is returning to normal around here and thats a good thing. The wedding, 2 sick family members and then my operation has kept our heads spinning for the past 2 weeks but we are settling down quite nicely. I will check in again soon. Take care all. > > Jackie

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> Ok Jackie I have to ask you to be honest here...how on earth can you

> have gone from a AA to being able to still fit in your C cup bras?

> Did you put on weight since you first got implants?

, I wondered the same thing. Just curious. Won't you be lucky

Jackie, if you stay a C cup!

Besides the obvious explanation of putting on weight, there is the

consideration of swelling that would still be present that would make the

breasts larger initially. I had swelling and bruising, and I was quite

disappointed when the nurse told me that I hadn't gone down enough yet to

begin buying bras! I ended up being smaller than I was before, due to a

mastopexy.

The other explanation that concerns me might be the presence of scar tissue.

This goes back to the very important subject of having a PROPER total

capsulectomy done. I don't want to worry you Jackie at all, but the lack of

pain and bruising also seems odd. I would really take a good look at the

post operative report and look for the discussion of the removal of the scar

capsule. This should be clearly discussed in the report.

I wouldn't put it past some surgeons to get a little sloppy here, and just

try to put the patient at ease about the procedure that they have done. One

California p/s that I know of had discussed the whole total capsulectomy

idea with his patient, told he was going to do it, and then once he got into

the operating room, decided that getting out the anterior capsule was good

enough, and left the posterior capsule in. My friend continued to suffer,

and a year later ended up going back for an additional surgery. I think she

also tried to sue the p/s for what he did, but I am not sure if she went to

court with it or not.

Other plastic surgeons purposely leave the scar capsule in, thinking they

are doing the woman a favor! They think that women will be so distraught at

the sight of their old breasts without implants that they leave the scar

capsule in to plump it up a little bit. This is the ultimate in ignorance

and arrogance!

Anyway, Jackie, I do hope that all is well and will continue to be well for

you and congratulations on getting through all of this!

Love,

Patty

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LOL , you caught me. After I send the previous message I got to thinking about when I had my implants put in and I bet I was about 15-20lbs lighter so if my boobs stay a C cup its because of that weight gain. I'm still tall and slim but certainly not the skinny little bone wrack I was. I bet that could only be the reason why I still fill the bottom half of a C cup. Believe me when I say the bottom half only cause I have nothing but saggy skin there. When I looked at the before picture yesterday I saw 2 little bumps the size of a walnut only flatter. Probably the weight gain has attributed to wider cup size. When I tried on the B cup I had skin being pushed out and up under my arm whereas everything sits comfortably in the C cup. Honest injun girlfriend. hehe

I just spoke to my PS who informed me my implants are ready for pick up at the Pathology dept at the hospital and then I called Dr. Pierre Blais to get final instructions on how to pack them up. What a sweet man he is. It was a pleasure talking to him. In the course of our conversation he told me there have actually been some surgeons who have taken implants out of one woman and turned around and put the very same ones into another patient. Yikes!!! I told him I didn't want to jade my nice thoughts about my PS and he said, "no no dear, Dr. Peers is a good surgeon" Whew! I will pick them up in the morning.

See ya later,

Jackie

----- Original Message -----

From: carina063@...

Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:09 AM

Subject: Re: Good Morning

Hi Jackie:No you won't be losing me when I move, I will always be a computer nerd at heart LOL. You weren't totally wrong about where I worked, I worked at Stanford University's big medical center in Palo Alto California. I am a nursing assistant/medical assistant/unit secretary/trauma registrar.My favorite job was as an ICU secretary and I also love trauma so I am hoping to get hired on at the big regional med center in eastern Idaho, its a big center and it is the only Trauma center in the tri state area there so I think it would be a great place to work. I love working in a hospital and have been doing it for the last 9 years so it is my true love. I wish I would have gone to nursing school but with my daughter and being single all these years it just never seemed possible, but who knows, maybe I will go back for my RN once I am settled in Idaho.Health wise I am doing pretty well, I have some bad days still, and allot of aches and pain, but my head has really cleared up allot and most days I hardly even notice it. I believe that you are feeling better since your implants are gone. I feel that the textured ones really leave you with the most damage after surgery and it just about wiped me out so my recovery is long, but my boobs look so great right now I am absolutely amazed, Dr Feng really meant it when she told me the ugly scars would fade away and they are. I am going to try to get some pictures to post so that I can show everyone how good you can look after explant/lift.Ok Jackie I have to ask you to be honest here...how on earth can you have gone from a AA to being able to still fit in your C cup bras? Did you put on weight since you first got implants?Curious cause I am still an a cup, though I think with my small frame they are about right for me.Well anyhow glad your doing well and take care of yourself.Love In @y..., "Jackie " <poopie@t...> wrote:> Hi , > > Wow, you must be getting excited about your big move. Its sneaking right up on you. We're not going to lose you here are we? I hope not. I look forward to hearing from you and I still want to know how your progressing with your health and new life. I thought you worked at a college for some reason. Oops! Guess I wasn't paying attention. What exactly is your profession? ER & ICU both sound exciting. > > I had my tape taken off my incisions today so my boobs aren't quite as misshaped as they were. My PS told me that I had very little pain because the implants came out so smoothly. He said the implants were still intact with no leakage but because the saline layer had collapsed he made sure he cleaned me out completely incase there was any doubt about leakage or permeability. He didn't want to take a chance of leaving any residue in me and I was pleased with his explanation. He showed me a picture of what I looked like when I went to see him in 1988. hehe I'm bigger now than I was then. I asked him if he had record of what size I was before the implants and he found in the file I was a 36AA. He asked me why and I told him because I'm still wearing a 36C. I've tried to fit into a B cup but I have too much boob. I don't have any fullness without the implants but I'm still wearing some of my bra's. I might just buy some padding to go in the bottom of my bra's to give me a fuller look. We'll see. At least that way I can continue to use some of the bras I have. > > Here's what I have noticed since my explant a week ago yesterday. I had a tremor in my groin area for the past 2 yrs that has driven me crazy and I have tried everything to get rid of it. 3 days after explant I was laying in bed not able to sleep and focussed on my body for the first time and realized I had not experienced the tremors since surgery. I had to adhere to a strict sugarless & yeast free diet in order to try and maintain some energy but for the past 6 mos its been touch and go with alot of muscle weakness. Since Gord was doing the cooking and we were eating out alot because we were running back and forth to the hospital to see mom before her pacemaker was put in, I was not following any kind of a diet. In fact I have not eaten properly since surgery....well at least not the way I had to before. I have been eating sugar and drinking coffee like there's no tomorrow. I'm not getting the headaches and sharp pains that I would instantly get if I veered off my strict diet for one or two mouthfuls. It wasn't worth the pain I experienced. WW3 is not happening in my intestines after eating chocolate. I do have some discomfort but nothing as severe as it was. The muscles weakness is not there. 2 days after surgery I had to use a laxative to get me going again and have been regular since but before surgery I had to depend upon laxatives. It was awful. The heart palpitations that were a constant reminder that something was amiss in my body are now few and far between. They were the last thing I was aware of before I feel asleep at night and the first thing I woke up to in the morning. That used to frustrate me as well because I thought I was doing everything I could to not have any palpitations. Now they are slowly going away. My heart used to feel like it was going to jump out of my chest and that is slowly subsiding. Do you think this is all in my head or do you think these things had something to do with the implants?> > I don't plan on staying on a course of destruction as I know its not healthy for me in the long run but I can't believe what I have been able to get away with this past week food-wise with little or no reaction at all. My mind tells me I made the right decision to have the implants removed. There were just too many things my body was trying to tell me and no matter what I tried or how diligent I was with my regime I wasn't making any headway. Your thoughts would be appreciated on this puzzle please. > > Take care all and see ya soon. > Jackie> ----- Original Message ----- > From: carina063@h... > @y... > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:22 AM> Subject: Re: Good Morning> > > Good to hear from you Jackie! I am so glad things went smoothly for > you and that your doing so well. Boy my explant was so hard it amazes > me when I hear of women who it goes so smoothly for, I guess it just > goes to show that no two women are alike and that all breast implants > are not created egually. > > Well stay in touch and let us know how things are going for you! keep > us up to date. I knew your hubby would still love you with or without > big boobs, I think it is mostly our own image of ourselves that tells > us otherwise. Since I no longer have big boobs I still feel and look > sexy, I still get tons of compliments, I still enjoy a great sex > life, even better now that I am married to such a wonderfull man, and > not one person has ever made any remarks like "what happened to you" > or anyhting like I imagined they would. ANyhow just goes to show you > how our minds can mess with us right?> > I am getting ready to make my move to Idaho next Tuesday and it feels > so weird to be unemployed, but I already have some interviews lined > up at the big trauma center in Idaho Falls, hopefully I will get the > job in the ER since that is my ture love, ER and ICU. > > Ok enough of my rambling now.> Take care sweety and god bless everyone on this group! > > > > > In @y..., "Jackie " <poopie@t...> wrote:> > Hello all, > > > > I hope all of you are as well as can be expected. I'm looking > forward to getting back into my usual daily grind and keeping up with > the emails here. I've been taking it easy and staying off the > computer so as not to put any extra stress on my arms and shoulders > which seemed to contribute to my tendernous in the past week. > > > > I thank everyone who responded with kind encouraging words to my > explant message. Its been one week now since the explant and I am > still totally amazed at how good I'm doing. The tendernous has > almost gone and I'm due to have the tape off my breasts tomorrow. > Can't wait. I still love my new body and have no regrets at either > having the implants or having them out. I have a wonderful > supportive husband who is taking good care of me and I couldn't ask > for anything more. > > > > Life is returning to normal around here and thats a good thing. > The wedding, 2 sick family members and then my operation has kept our > heads spinning for the past 2 weeks but we are settling down quite > nicely. I will check in again soon. Take care all. > > > > Jackie> > >

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Yes Patty, I have seen the report and he did a total capsulectomy, scar tissue and all. I am satisfied with what I saw in the report altho I'm certainly no expert. I am still tender but have never had any extreme pain, even when I had the implants put in I didn't have any pain with it....just tendernous. Right now I have alot of bruising and tendernous and perhaps some swelling still but honest to god you guys I wouldn't lie to you. I don't think I would be lucky to stay a C cup Patty if I don't fill out the top half of the bra. hehe I know my PS said yesterday that there was still a bit of swelling so that could be why along with the weight gain over the past 12 yrs.

Take care and see ya soon.

Jackie

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:37 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Good Morning

> Ok Jackie I have to ask you to be honest here...how on earth can you> have gone from a AA to being able to still fit in your C cup bras?> Did you put on weight since you first got implants?, I wondered the same thing. Just curious. Won't you be luckyJackie, if you stay a C cup!Besides the obvious explanation of putting on weight, there is theconsideration of swelling that would still be present that would make thebreasts larger initially. I had swelling and bruising, and I was quitedisappointed when the nurse told me that I hadn't gone down enough yet tobegin buying bras! I ended up being smaller than I was before, due to amastopexy.The other explanation that concerns me might be the presence of scar tissue.This goes back to the very important subject of having a PROPER totalcapsulectomy done. I don't want to worry you Jackie at all, but the lack ofpain and bruising also seems odd. I would really take a good look at thepost operative report and look for the discussion of the removal of the scarcapsule. This should be clearly discussed in the report.I wouldn't put it past some surgeons to get a little sloppy here, and justtry to put the patient at ease about the procedure that they have done. OneCalifornia p/s that I know of had discussed the whole total capsulectomyidea with his patient, told he was going to do it, and then once he got intothe operating room, decided that getting out the anterior capsule was goodenough, and left the posterior capsule in. My friend continued to suffer,and a year later ended up going back for an additional surgery. I think shealso tried to sue the p/s for what he did, but I am not sure if she went tocourt with it or not.Other plastic surgeons purposely leave the scar capsule in, thinking theyare doing the woman a favor! They think that women will be so distraught atthe sight of their old breasts without implants that they leave the scarcapsule in to plump it up a little bit. This is the ultimate in ignoranceand arrogance!Anyway, Jackie, I do hope that all is well and will continue to be well foryou and congratulations on getting through all of this!Love,Patty

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Isn't Pierre Blais great? He is really nice. Glad to hear he had good things to say about your Dr.!!!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Jackie

Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Good Morning

LOL , you caught me. After I send the previous message I got to thinking about when I had my implants put in and I bet I was about 15-20lbs lighter so if my boobs stay a C cup its because of that weight gain. I'm still tall and slim but certainly not the skinny little bone wrack I was. I bet that could only be the reason why I still fill the bottom half of a C cup. Believe me when I say the bottom half only cause I have nothing but saggy skin there. When I looked at the before picture yesterday I saw 2 little bumps the size of a walnut only flatter. Probably the weight gain has attributed to wider cup size. When I tried on the B cup I had skin being pushed out and up under my arm whereas everything sits comfortably in the C cup. Honest injun girlfriend. hehe

I just spoke to my PS who informed me my implants are ready for pick up at the Pathology dept at the hospital and then I called Dr. Pierre Blais to get final instructions on how to pack them up. What a sweet man he is. It was a pleasure talking to him. In the course of our conversation he told me there have actually been some surgeons who have taken implants out of one woman and turned around and put the very same ones into another patient. Yikes!!! I told him I didn't want to jade my nice thoughts about my PS and he said, "no no dear, Dr. Peers is a good surgeon" Whew! I will pick them up in the morning.

See ya later,

Jackie