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Dave - I'm sorry you have so much pain. I know how bad pain can suck!!! The pain from my Stills was bad in the beginning but improved. My headaches & neck pain, however - WOW! There have been times I've been up all night long, laying on the couch wanting to die just to get away from the pain. Pain meds just don't work too great when the pain gets really bad like that. I'm glad your doc recognizes the problem your pain is causing and is willing to prescribe strong meds for it, and send you to other specialists.

Dave, just do your best to hang in there. And please please remember.... no what how rotten or useless or helpless you feel .... remember you are very VALUED and LOVED by your family and by the members of our group. Take care & feel free to vent all you want here!!

Trish in PA

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Dave - I'm sorry you have so much pain. I know how bad pain can suck!!! The pain from my Stills was bad in the beginning but improved. My headaches & neck pain, however - WOW! There have been times I've been up all night long, laying on the couch wanting to die just to get away from the pain. Pain meds just don't work too great when the pain gets really bad like that. I'm glad your doc recognizes the problem your pain is causing and is willing to prescribe strong meds for it, and send you to other specialists.

Dave, just do your best to hang in there. And please please remember.... no what how rotten or useless or helpless you feel .... remember you are very VALUED and LOVED by your family and by the members of our group. Take care & feel free to vent all you want here!!

Trish in PA

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In a message dated 10/9/2004 9:14:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

dkl.pearson@... writes:

I'm hoping to see Robbie Bishop,

NASA...... (pam hear this),,, WE HAVE A PROBLEM...

Lee

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In a message dated 10/9/2004 8:14:53 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,

dkl.pearson@... writes:

> I will be making an appointment CI center. Virginia Mason " Listen For Life

> Center. I'm hoping to see Robbie Bishop, Audiologist and if I'm qualify

> for a CI and How much my insurance will cover and figure out where to get

> the rest of the money to pay for it. I'm hoping for Dr Backous to give me

> the surgery.

>

>

Wishing you well! Robbi is great and so is the team at Virginia Mason!

Pam

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In a message dated 10/9/2004 8:38:47 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,

spottedlee@... writes:

>

> NASA...... (pam hear this),,, WE HAVE A PROBLEM...

>

> Lee

heheheheheheh.. there will be a crowd won't there? :-)

Pam

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I will be making an appointment CI center. Virginia Mason " Listen For Life

Center. I'm hoping to see Robbie Bishop, Audiologist and if I'm qualify

for a CI and How much my insurance will cover and figure out where to get

the rest of the money to pay for it. I'm hoping for Dr Backous to give me

the surgery.

-- Taking the first step

well, I said it out loud to my wife. I am call to get the forms to

fill

out and make an appointment to see if I'm qualify for a CI. I decide

not

to be a chicken anymore... (smile)

I have all of you to thanks for this! It all of your faults!

Pearson

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Correction...... its.....

Houston, we have a problem. Our esteemed pilot just discovered he

did not bring any spare batteries and his CI just died. He would be

most appreciative if you guys would send him some asap via one of

those hotshot space jockeys that just won the $10million prize.

*---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

Back off!! You're standing in my aura.

& Gimlet (Guide Dawggie)

Portland, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

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Hi Dave!

I'm getting to you late, cause I subscribe to the 'digest' version.

49 is not! 'too young' to have THR.

I never did do the injection thing--I'm scared of what they're putting in me! Steroids scare me! That said:

I'm 44 and just had my L hip replaced Sept 28. I did have AVN at first, my first ortho did a core decompression (drilled 2 holes in the top of the femur so blood vessels could form--which they did--and ossify the bone--which they did too!) in 1992, but was on painkillers for all that time until I had it replaced. I think getting off of those is harder than the operation itself! (Not really, but it IS hard.) Has your doc suggested a core decompression? If the femural heads aren't too collapsed, this may be an option for you for awhile. Just a suggestion--I'm not a Dr but I play one on the internet! ;-)

This year I went to a new Dr when my insurance changed and she wanted a new MRI.

Turns out the AVN was gone, but osteoarthritis had set in. :-(

SO, I had to make a choice to either have my hip replaced or deal with a rotting bone and increased pain. I chose the former, and I don't regret it!

My current ortho chose the cementless method and installed the DePuy prosthesis. He did it with the anterolateral approach, meaning from the front and side. Apparently that is more easy to recover from than from the back, as is more widely done. The cementless procedure was used because of my age, and the tendency for the cement to flake off--guaranteeing another op, or increased pain. So, I was on toe-touch weight-bearing for 6 weeks, but now I can do just about anything!

I do cross my right leg over my left, but as I haven't been told I CAN cross my left over my right, I don't do it much--yet! And I don't cross the right-over-left for too long, although I cross my ankles all the time--I'm doing it now! :-)

I have to stop myself from the left-over-right crossing because that has been such a natural way for me to sit for so long, its hard to break. But its uncomfortable, and so I take that as a sign I shouldn't do it.

I don't know how it would be having to have both done....and I don't know if they do them at the same time now. If they do, you could get it over in one fell swoop, but I would imagine it would be taxing on your body. I still get very fatigued even 3 months out.

All in all, I'd say get a 2nd opinion if you don't like the 1st! You wouldn't believe the hokey info I got from the orthos in their high golden towers when I went in for my first 2nd opinion for AVN! One wanted to cut a pie-shaped portion out of my lower femur and fuse it back together again! How insane is THAT?! Glad I went for the core-decompression--the 3rd opinion! My doc did tell me that at sometime down the road I would have to have the hip replaced--that this first operation was just to try to save the bone. It did, but as I say, osteoarthritis set in and I had to have it removed. I was VERY scared and nervous, but--I lived!--and everything is progressing nicely!

So--I'm 44, 49 ain't so much older now is it! ;-)

Good luck to you, and keep us posted!

-Glenna/Seattle

Hi everyone. I'm a 49 year old, suffering from AVN in both hips. So far, I have received two rounds of injections. The first one worked for about 10 weeks, the second on for about 3-4 weeks. The surgeon said that I am too young to consider the THR right now, but I just don't think I can deal with the pain much longer. This is effecting my day-to-day life. My right hip seems to be 'going out' occasionally. It might happen when I'm walking or trying to stand from a sitting position. Being new here, I'm anxious to get some wonderful advice and will start reading the back posts. In the meantime, can anyone tell me if I'll be able to cross my legs again once the hips are replaced?cheers & thanks,dave

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Hallo Dave,

i have also AVN . I am 48 - i take Mayo Hip from Zimmer and a Cer-Ceramic 32mm artic.. Now it is a half year, it is good.

Gunnar from Germany.

Re: DAVE

Hi Dave!

I'm getting to you late, cause I subscribe to the 'digest' version.

49 is not! 'too young' to have THR.

I never did do the injection thing--I'm scared of what they're putting in me! Steroids scare me! That said:

I'm 44 and just had my L hip replaced Sept 28. I did have AVN at first, my first ortho did a core decompression (drilled 2 holes in the top of the femur so blood vessels could form--which they did--and ossify the bone--which they did too!) in 1992, but was on painkillers for all that time until I had it replaced. I think getting off of those is harder than the operation itself! (Not really, but it IS hard.) Has your doc suggested a core decompression? If the femural heads aren't too collapsed, this may be an option for you for awhile. Just a suggestion--I'm not a Dr but I play one on the internet! ;-)

This year I went to a new Dr when my insurance changed and she wanted a new MRI.

Turns out the AVN was gone, but osteoarthritis had set in. :-(

SO, I had to make a choice to either have my hip replaced or deal with a rotting bone and increased pain. I chose the former, and I don't regret it!

My current ortho chose the cementless method and installed the DePuy prosthesis. He did it with the anterolateral approach, meaning from the front and side. Apparently that is more easy to recover from than from the back, as is more widely done. The cementless procedure was used because of my age, and the tendency for the cement to flake off--guaranteeing another op, or increased pain. So, I was on toe-touch weight-bearing for 6 weeks, but now I can do just about anything!

I do cross my right leg over my left, but as I haven't been told I CAN cross my left over my right, I don't do it much--yet! And I don't cross the right-over-left for too long, although I cross my ankles all the time--I'm doing it now! :-)

I have to stop myself from the left-over-right crossing because that has been such a natural way for me to sit for so long, its hard to break. But its uncomfortable, and so I take that as a sign I shouldn't do it.

I don't know how it would be having to have both done....and I don't know if they do them at the same time now. If they do, you could get it over in one fell swoop, but I would imagine it would be taxing on your body. I still get very fatigued even 3 months out.

All in all, I'd say get a 2nd opinion if you don't like the 1st! You wouldn't believe the hokey info I got from the orthos in their high golden towers when I went in for my first 2nd opinion for AVN! One wanted to cut a pie-shaped portion out of my lower femur and fuse it back together again! How insane is THAT?! Glad I went for the core-decompression--the 3rd opinion! My doc did tell me that at sometime down the road I would have to have the hip replaced--that this first operation was just to try to save the bone. It did, but as I say, osteoarthritis set in and I had to have it removed. I was VERY scared and nervous, but--I lived!--and everything is progressing nicely!

So--I'm 44, 49 ain't so much older now is it! ;-)

Good luck to you, and keep us posted!

-Glenna/Seattle

Hi everyone. I'm a 49 year old, suffering from AVN in both hips. So far, I have received two rounds of injections. The first one worked for about 10 weeks, the second on for about 3-4 weeks. The surgeon said that I am too young to consider the THR right now, but I just don't think I can deal with the pain much longer. This is effecting my day-to-day life. My right hip seems to be 'going out' occasionally. It might happen when I'm walking or trying to stand from a sitting position. Being new here, I'm anxious to get some wonderful advice and will start reading the back posts. In the meantime, can anyone tell me if I'll be able to cross my legs again once the hips are replaced?cheers & thanks,dave

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OH DAVE, hug her when you are feeling good and she will travel with you through the pain. For better or worse, remember?

I remember telling my hubby that he had promised to love me for better or worse, and that the next two years were going to be some of the worst we had seen! He said, "I will still be there."

It helped. I had a bad stretch of depression after each op--this, too, will pass. Hang on!

Marge

I am a 49 year old man that has cried more tears and done more sobbing in the last two weeks than I have in years. I also get very angry at nothing and I'm driving my wife nuts. dave, 49

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Dear Dave,

It sounds like this has frightened both

yourself and your wife. Having been

through 4 ops in a year, I am now getting quite familiar with the low feelings

after each op, as is my husband, and like others who have posted. However, as a woman, perhaps I am more

allowed to cry than you are as a man—I think others expect tears from

women more then men? Not very fair for men.

Like others, I also wonder how much effect the pain meds are having in

making you sob—they really can do that to you. The other feelings that I certainly had each

time were feeling so out of control and helpless and so-o-o dependent for help

on everyone and my husband in particular. I don’t know what it is like for

your wife, but my husband really finds it difficult to have me dependent on

him. He has always liked my

independence and strength, and so it is difficult when it changes.

The result of all this has been lots and

lots of talking together (often in the middle of the night)—me saying how

I am experiencing things, positive and negative, and him, how he is finding things. He has become a good listener over the

years (35!) and has learned how to say where he is at, as well. In the end, it certainly brings you

closer, although the process can be quite difficult.

And I have found, after a good cry and

talk, things start to get into perspective again. Somehow it helps to be able to talk

about all one’s worst fears, (in my case—will I ever walk properly

again, be able to have a bath, run after my grandchild, etc.—all the

usual. And his are—will I

have to be a nurse for the rest of my life to this woman) to be able to move

on. Humour has also helped a

lot. And—as mentioned below—cuddles.

Eleanor

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From: marge

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To:

Joint Replacement

Subject: Re:

dave

OH DAVE, hug

her when you are feeling good and she will travel

with you through the pain. For better or worse, remember?

I remember telling

my hubby that he had promised to love me for better or worse, and

that the next two years were going to be some of the worst we had

seen! He said, " I will still be there. "

It

helped. I had a bad stretch of depression after each op--this, too,

will pass. Hang on!

Marge

I am a 49 year old man that has cried

more tears and done more sobbing in the last two weeks than I have

in years. I also get very angry at nothing and I'm driving my wife

nuts.

dave, 49

Be

your own advocate! The best patient is an informed patient!

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I am actually wondering if Dave is taking enough pain

medication too.

It seems funny, but I often didn't realise that I was in

pain. I would be irritable, couldn't get comfortable,

couldn't settle, so was up and down one day.

Hubby put up with me for a while and then said " When is

your pain medication due! "

Would you believe I had not taken pain medication all day.

And this was my first full day out of hospital. Yep pain

meds solved that little stint of missery.

I had the same situation further down the track. Went to

the doctor and my walking wasn't improving - doctor put me

on regular pain meds and my walking improved no end.

Hubby still reminds me to take pain meds when he sees me

struggling.

So too much meds, and not enough meds - either could be the

trouble.

Today I had another set of injections to try to release the

muscles. I asked the specialist if it was ever going to

come good, or something I just have to learn to live with.

He seems to think there is still a chance.

Hugs

Margaret from Australia

Re: dave

>

>

> OH DAVE, hug her when you are feeling good and she will

travel with you

> through the pain. For better or worse, remember?

> I remember telling my hubby that he had promised to love

me for better

> or worse, and that the next two years were going to be

some of the worst

> we had seen! He said, " I will still be there. "

> It helped. I had a bad stretch of depression after each

op--this, too,

> will pass. Hang on!

> Marge

>

> I am a 49 year old man that has cried more tears and done

more sobbing

> in the last two weeks than I have in years. I also get

very angry at

> nothing and I'm driving my wife nuts.

>

> dave, 49

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Margaret,

How perceptive! Do hope the injections work. Presumably you have tried

some other physical alternatives--pilates, yoga, cranial osteopathy

etc.? Technique is my favourite for releasing muscles and

they do have it in Australia depending where you live. I went to

someone in Sydney when we lived there once for 4 months.

Eleanor

Re: dave

I am actually wondering if Dave is taking enough pain

medication too.

It seems funny, but I often didn't realise that I was in

pain. I would be irritable, couldn't get comfortable,

couldn't settle, so was up and down one day.

Hubby put up with me for a while and then said " When is

your pain medication due! "

Would you believe I had not taken pain medication all day.

And this was my first full day out of hospital. Yep pain

meds solved that little stint of missery.

I had the same situation further down the track. Went to

the doctor and my walking wasn't improving - doctor put me

on regular pain meds and my walking improved no end.

Hubby still reminds me to take pain meds when he sees me

struggling.

So too much meds, and not enough meds - either could be the

trouble.

Today I had another set of injections to try to release the

muscles. I asked the specialist if it was ever going to

come good, or something I just have to learn to live with.

He seems to think there is still a chance.

Hugs

Margaret from Australia

Re: dave

>

>

> OH DAVE, hug her when you are feeling good and she will

travel with you

> through the pain. For better or worse, remember?

> I remember telling my hubby that he had promised to love

me for better

> or worse, and that the next two years were going to be

some of the worst

> we had seen! He said, " I will still be there. "

> It helped. I had a bad stretch of depression after each

op--this, too,

> will pass. Hang on!

> Marge

>

> I am a 49 year old man that has cried more tears and done

more sobbing

> in the last two weeks than I have in years. I also get

very angry at

> nothing and I'm driving my wife nuts.

>

> dave, 49

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi, Dave,

I don't know if this is the site you were thinking of, but here is one.

I haven't read it myself, but it looks like it might have basic info. Let us

know!

Mapping for Dummies:

o) Jackie

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>

> Hi Dave,

> Hey U Mich rules. GO BLUE.

Now, Now! I and my wife went to undergrad at OSU! But.....I don't

want to start a fight with anyone here. Of course we have lived in

Michigan for 40 years so I root for whoever is leading in the polls

when the BIG GAME occurs. This year it was OSU and they won, but

because of a loss to pesky Penn State they are not at the top of the

national rankings.

You can participate in the research they

> do up there at the Kresge Hearing Research institute. I go up

there

> several times a year and listen to sounds in a sound booth. It

pays, but

> hard to keep awake for it! LOL.

I'm NOT spending EXTRA time in the booth!

> Several of our members were implanted at U Mich - Silly

and her

> sister, , for instance. There are, I think 3 or 4 members

of the

> family with Nucleus implants. They can probably tell you a good

audi for

> mappings.

I thought I would go to a Michigan SHHH meeting in Ann Arbor this

year. We live about 30 miles away. I have never been to a SHHH or

any other deaf/HOH meetings.

> Congratulations on taking this step toward hearing. And you

can get a

> long (12 Inch or so) cord so you can move the processor to the

right hand

> side when you are driving. To allow you to hear conversation from

that

> side. I'm implanted on the left as well, and have had my Nucleus

24 for

> 8 years now. I use the longer cord to listen to passengers, or

music,

> when I drive. If you get 2 cords with your processor, get one

short and

> one long.

Great idea! I didn't think I had any questions, but that idea

sounds very practical. And you can listen to music! I would love

to be able to listen to music again, maybe even go to a broadway

type show that I have missed for at least 15 years!

> You'll do well -- and BTW, Thank you for serving our country in

the

> Armed Forces.

>

> Thanks,

>

> The Original

Thanks for your support . That was the US Army - 67-69.

Dave

CI scheduled 12/30/2005

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Hello, Dave,

Wishing you well on Friday and the following weeks for an easy recovery.

This is one New Year you will never forget, starting a few days before and

lasting the rest of your life!

:o) Jackie

Implanted - right ear - Oct.2002 - Nucleus 24/3G

Reimplanted - right ear - Jan.2005 - Nucleus 24C/3G

Implanted - left ear - Sept.2005 - Nucleus-Freedom

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Hi, Dave,

So glad your surgery went well. But what was so hard about laying down

and going to sleep? <giggles> The hard part is just beginning But therein

lies the thrill! Hope Feb. 2 brings you bearable sound, and on into voice

distinction in the not too distant future!

:o) Jackie

Implanted - right ear - Oct.2002 - Nucleus 24/3G

Reimplanted - right ear - Jan.2005 - Nucleus 24C/3G

Implanted - left ear - Sept.2005 - Nucleus-Freedom

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Hi, Dave,

So glad things went so well for you during and following surgery. I

can't believe you;ve retained the hearing you had, that is amazing! Continued

good recovery and good luck on activation day!

:o) Jackie

Implanted - right ear - Oct.2002 - Nucleus 24/3G

Reimplanted - right ear - Jan.2005 - Nucleus 24C/3G

Implanted - left ear - Sept.2005 - Nucleus-Freedom

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In a message dated 16/06/2006 21:56:34 GMT Daylight Time, dava93@... writes:

Little Dan had high sulphur in his urine as do most of out kids, I have read that phenols need sulphur to metabolize food would using these enzymes possibly mean less sulphur is needed to absorb phenols and allow the body to use the remaining sulphur it has elsewhere in the body ie detox.

>>>In my reading high urine sulphur most likely means he is wasting it.

Phenols need sulphATE to efficiently detox, you can get that from Epsom Salts in the bath, in a cream or a few grains stuck on with a plaster thats tolerated if he would keep it on, Sam could get one off the middle of his back LOL. Thats helps with the immediate problem but not the cause, for that you have to get the whole cycle of things moving and that will get better in time as you go through the various treatments and as he gets healthier and his gut is absorbing the nutrients.

Sorry so long to reply, puter is dying, switching itself off and then refusing to come back one - oh woe is me

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At 11:15 PM 7/25/07, you wrote:

>what's depakote?

>rob

My understanding is that it is for Nerve pain, but I'll have to get

back to you as to what type of drug it is. Dave

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At 11:15 PM 7/25/07, you wrote:

>what's depakote?

>rob

My understanding is that it is for Nerve pain, but I'll have to get

back to you as to what type of drug it is. Dave

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> >what's depakote?

> >rob

>

> My understanding is that it is for Nerve pain, but I'll have to get

> back to you as to what type of drug it is. Dave

>

I was given depakote after having bad migraines and some seizures.

They told me that it would help as a preventative for them. I hated

that med. turned me into a bad space case...worse than usuall.

Debbie

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> >what's depakote?

> >rob

>

> My understanding is that it is for Nerve pain, but I'll have to get

> back to you as to what type of drug it is. Dave

>

I was given depakote after having bad migraines and some seizures.

They told me that it would help as a preventative for them. I hated

that med. turned me into a bad space case...worse than usuall.

Debbie

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