Belated introduction

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome to the group. Your introduction actually made me cry,

it is so unfortunate that so many innocent children (and adults) are

lost or harmed by vaccines. The medical community says the risks

outweigh the benefits and almost everyone agrees with this. Then you

learn there are NO benefits whatsoever and the whole vaccination

thing becomes almost impossible to believe.

I too have been ridiculed and called irresponsible because I don't

vaccinate my son. My husband's only brother no longer speaks to him

because of this reason. Really, I don't care though; as long as my

son in happy and healthy and alive, that is enough for me.

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I've been a member of this list for approximately one week now.

Sorry for

> the delay in posting my introduction.

>

> My name is and I am a SAHM to two-year-old Caleb, and I'm

expecting my

> 2nd son () in late April or early May. Caleb home birthed...

he was

> born in a pool of warm water in my dining room after about 2.5

hours of

> relatively easy labor (which I attribute to the water and

HypnoBirthing). I

> plan to do the same all over again with !

>

> I am a non-vaxing mom, and my decision to not vaccinate came after

intense

> research into the subject when I was pregnant the first time. I

had decided

> to research the subject so intensely because of personal

experiences (please

> notice the " s " on that… plural).

>

> 1. When I was a child, I went in for a round of boosters (I believe

I was

> eight years old). I don't know WHAT boosters I was given, but it

was several

> of them. Within minutes of receiving the injections, I went in to

> anaphylaxis. I remember thinking, even as a child, that something

was wrong

> with the shots, as the reaction was almost immediate, and very

violent. I

> was subsequently diagnosed with chronic asthma, after not having a

single

> respiratory problem in my life prior to those boosters.

>

> 2. Seven year ago, a friend of mine took her two-year-old, very

energetic,

> loving, lively son in for his routine checkup, where they gave him

his

> " shots " on-schedule. MMR was one of the many shots given that day.

Within 12

> hours, her son was having seizures, for which she called the

doctor. The

> doctor said this was a " normal " reaction, and told her to give him

Tylenol

> to help him " sleep it off " . Her son, as we all knew him, never came

back to

> her after that day. He's trapped, to this day, in a body damaged by

the very

> vaccines that were supposed to protect him.

>

> 3. Four years ago my best friend's seven-year-old daughter went in

for her

> routine checkup, wherein she was given a round of vaccines. I'm not

sure of

> everything she was given, except I know the chicken pox vaccine was

in the

> mix, as her father had never had the chicken pox and was being

forced to

> stay away from her for 21 days so he would not contract the

disease. It was

> several immunizations all at once, though. That night, she

developed a

> severe (105+) fever. When the doctor was called (they always tell

you to

> call, not come in, if a reaction occurs… WHY?? I'm guessing it's

because

> they know a reaction is probable and don't want their practice

swarmed by

> parents seeking more help for the children they just poisoned, but

who

> really knows.), his response was, again, that this is a normal

reaction, and

> told Mom to give her Tylenol to bring down the fever and help

her " sleep it

> off " . She progressively got worse over the next 24 hours, until Mom

finally

> took her to Urgent Care, where she started seizing and then went

into coma.

> An ambulance was called, and she was transported to the ER. She was

> diagnosed with Type I diabetes… in essence, the vaccines had

attacked and

> killed her pancreas. The doctor said this is a " rare side effect " to

> vaccine, but it DOES happen. I watched alongside my best friend as

that

> little girl lay in a coma for four days, helpless and near death,

because of

> the very vaccine that was designed to protect her. Today that

> eleven-year-old girl has to inject herself with insulin five times

a day…

>

> 4. A couple of months before my first son was born, another friend

of mine

> took her healthy two-month-old in for his recommended shots, to

keep him on

> schedule. He was injected, sent home, and within a few hours

developed a

> severe fever. Again, Mom was told to give him Tylenol. Within a

couple of

> hours of onset of fever, he started seizing. Doc was called again,

and again

> told Mom this is a " normal reaction " to the shots, and to just put

him to

> bed and let him " sleep it off " . Within 12 hours after receiving the

> vaccination, 9-1-1 was called; their son was dead when the

paramedics got

> there. Not just harmed… DEAD. Diagnosis? SIDS -- but only after

having to

> endure a lengthy investigation for child abuse

(specifically " Shaken Baby

> Syndrome " ). They were not even allowed to grieve for their child in

> peace... Interesting medical article, " Multiple Vaccinations and

The

> Shaken Baby Syndrome " ,

>

http://www.nvic.org/doctors_corner/ed_yazbak_shaken_baby_syndrome.htm.

>

> ALL of these incidents either happened to me personally or to

someone I was

> very close with personally. It happened over a wide spread number

of years,

> and it made me go " hmm… what's wrong with this picture? " If

incidents like

> these was so prevalent among the few people I actually knew on a

very

> personal level at the time, they just how wide spread are these

types of

> things? So before my son was born, I decided to investigate the

rate of

> vaccine reaction myself, and was astonished. I am still amazed that

> BigPharma is allowed to continue to use our children as guinea pigs,

> injecting them with toxin after toxin, after toxin. And not only

can they

> do this legally, but they are given immunity from being held

accountable

> when a child is injured or dies.

>

> After being ridiculed, shunned and called everything from

irresponsible to

> being accused of neglect by family, friends and the medical

community, I've

> made vaccine awareness my personal platform, and want to do

anything I can

> to bring the real truth to the forefront of everyone's minds. I

will not be

> bullied or swayed, and I'm excited to have found and be a part of

this list,

> where I hope to gain more knowledge with which to arm myself.

>

> Peace, Light and Love,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Vida,

This is exactly how I feel, too. You can call me every name in the

book, you can spit on me, whatever, I can take it... but NOBODY is

going to touch my sons with a needle full of poison!

On Feb 6, 2008 4:53 PM, Vida Khan <vidamarino@...> wrote:

>

> Hi and welcome to the group. Your introduction actually made me cry,

> it is so unfortunate that so many innocent children (and adults) are

> lost or harmed by vaccines. The medical community says the risks

> outweigh the benefits and almost everyone agrees with this. Then you

> learn there are NO benefits whatsoever and the whole vaccination

> thing becomes almost impossible to believe.

> I too have been ridiculed and called irresponsible because I don't

> vaccinate my son. My husband's only brother no longer speaks to him

> because of this reason. Really, I don't care though; as long as my

> son in happy and healthy and alive, that is enough for me.

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

I too try to educate everyone I come in contact with about vaccines. I

carry around dvd's to pass out to people when the opportunity presents

itself.

We're on vacation now and we were staying with our friends this past

weekend.

We were talking about health issues and vaccinations came up. I told

them that I have a dvd that explains a lot and how vaccines are the

biggest fraud perpertrated on mankind. Neither wanted to watch the dvd.

They said that they made their decision and they were going with it.

Sigh...

I'm trying to look at it from their point of view but willful

ignorance is a huge pet pieve of mine.

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, from how you described the situation, you came across as a

radical, or extremist. You therefore lost credibility at the onset and didn't

have the opportunity to present your point of view in a calm, factual manner.

People don't like to be confronted or have their personal choices assaulted so

it has to be handled delicately.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Belated Introduction

Hello All,

I too try to educate everyone I come in contact with about vaccines. I

carry around dvd's to pass out to people when the opportunity presents

itself.

We're on vacation now and we were staying with our friends this past

weekend.

We were talking about health issues and vaccinations came up. I told

them that I have a dvd that explains a lot and how vaccines are the

biggest fraud perpertrated on mankind. Neither wanted to watch the dvd.

They said that they made their decision and they were going with it.

Sigh...

I'm trying to look at it from their point of view but willful

ignorance is a huge pet pieve of mine.

[Guest guest]

> This time around I am checking things out in detail and probably

won't vaccinate!! I will be doing hypnobabies home birth with this

baby, as I do not like any drugs or chemicals being injected to me...or

my baby! I do however want a comfortable birth.

Hi ! Welcome! Nice to see anotehr Hypnobabies mom! I used HB

with my last birth 9 months ago and loved it! Good luck!

[Guest guest]

,

I can't recommend water birth highly enough (at least for labor, but I

had my baby in the water and it was the best thing I've ever

experienced!). You can find an awesome book put out by WaterBirth

International at www.waterbirth.org. It's called " Gentle Birth

Choices " , by Barbara Harper. It is chalk full of facts that will make

your jaw drop, and also helps one to make the right decision for their

own birthing experiences. The warm water, couples with the Hypno, is

truly like a narcotic. I experienced NO pain but for one surge -- in

which I was thinking gee, maybe I should have taken some Tylenol " .

LOL The book and HypnoBirthing made me feel empowered and totally at

ease with my labor.

Peace, Light and Love,

On Feb 7, 2008 9:48 AM, NatandRoly Riv <nat_roly@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hi, I am also new to this group. I have never seen or heard of anyone

> personally that had serious side effects to vaccines, but I do hate the fact

> they don't tell you about all the chemicals they are injecting your child

> with!!!

>

> I have 2 kids, DD is 3 1/2 and DS is 2, I am also expecting baby #3 on April

> 4,2008.

>

> I had a hospital birth w/epi and pitocin (not what I wanted!) with DD and

> got her vaccinated as routine.

> I delayed DS's vaccines by 1 year (I had a bad feeling!), and had a

> beautiful home birth.

> This time around I am checking things out in detail and probably won't

> vaccinate!! I will be doing hypnobabies home birth with this baby, as I do

> not like any drugs or chemicals being injected to me...or my baby! I do

> however want a comfortable birth.

[Guest guest]

This is so true, that people don't like their personal choices assaulted.

When you believe something fervently, especially something as important as

children's health, its very hard to develop a softly, softly approach when

discussing Vaccines with your peers.

I really struggle to do that - I want to rip the cover of ignorance off all in

one go & then get hurt by the other's defensiveness when I was only trying to

help!

To bgin with I was also seeking validation for my own intuitive aversion to

vaccines, needing someone to agree with me. Fortunately I am now finding that in

this group of like-minded folk.

Most of my friends are right in the middle of their course of shots for their

babies, which I believe most parents find hard to do. You have to steel yourself

in order to expose your child to the pain of needles & I think that makes them

even less receptive to re-thinking what they are doing. My friends just don't

want to question the process.

I could do with some tips from someone with more tact than I know I have...!?

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[Guest guest]

HI!!!

I am in baby number 2, due sometime toward the end of June 2008.

I had baby #1, induced at 34 weeks, and had a c-section for fetal

distress after 12 hours or so of labor, did the whole routine with

the vaxs, baby had pneumonia and rsv within the 1st year. Change my

diet to veganism, and now I'm expecting, and I'm also planning to

use hypnobabies for my hospital birth, or accidental

unassisted...not sure yet.

>

> Hi, I am also new to this group. I have never seen or heard of

anyone personally that had serious side effects to vaccines, but I

do hate the fact they don't tell you about all the chemicals they

are injecting your child with!!!

>

> I have 2 kids, DD is 3 1/2 and DS is 2, I am also expecting baby

#3 on April 4,2008.

>

> I had a hospital birth w/epi and pitocin (not what I wanted!)

with DD and got her vaccinated as routine.

> I delayed DS's vaccines by 1 year (I had a bad feeling!), and had

a beautiful home birth.

> This time around I am checking things out in detail and probably

won't vaccinate!! I will be doing hypnobabies home birth with this

baby, as I do not like any drugs or chemicals being injected to

me...or my baby! I do however want a comfortable birth.

>

> a, I'm soo sorry that all this has happened to your friends

and family! I can't imagine the pain they/and you have gone through!

I agree with you:

> " I've made vaccine awareness my personal platform, and want to do

anything I can to bring the real truth to the forefront of

everyone's minds. I will not be

>

> bullied or swayed. "

>

> I want to KNOW the TRUTH and to share with my friends, make them

aware of how their choices can and will affect them and their

children in all areas..child birth, vaccinations,beauty products,

cleaning products etc..!

>

> Blessings

> Nathalie R

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Welcome le, all we can do is try and inform others about vaccine dangers.

It gets hard sometimes when we get treated like the bad guy. But hopefully one

day these people catch on and realize for themselves.

As far as the inlaws go. It is none of their business what your childrens

medical history is. Just don't volunteer any information. And if they ask

questions, then essentially they are butting in on something that they have no

right to. Tell them to find you absolute proof that vaccines work, and you will

start to listen. There is no way they can find it. But if they try, they might

at least find enough info against vaccines to make them doubt vaccines

themselves. It can't even be proven that vaccines work a little bit, or

sometimes. It is a fact that some people are more succeptible to diseases than

others. So as far as I am concerned, if a vaccine seems to work, then it is

more likely that person was just not succeptible in the first place to the

disease. Hope that makes sense.

There was a time when I thought vaccines were a good thing. I had a friend who

thought different, and asked me to do some research for him. At that time, I

was happy to vaccinate my daughter, but at least had the opinion that he had a

right not to vaccinate if he chose. Lucky I had an open mind at the time,

because the research I did, opened my eyes to many shocking truths. Luckily, my

daughter was only vaccinated up to 2 years, and my second daughter, not at all.

Sometimes, I get little guilt trips for giving my first the vaccines she got.

But I know that the only ones to blame are those that brainwash us into

believing vaccines are good. We are supposed to be able to trust doctors. They

make an oath to do no harm.

Fieldman

Belated Introduction

Hello all,

I apologize for the belated introduction. Life just gets too hectic

sometimes! I initially joined this list because I have two beautiful

nephews that I believe have been vaccine damaged, and I am trying to

find information to share with my sister so she can " see the

light " . In addition, after joining this list I found out that I am

expecting my first child, so I will also be gathering information for

myself as well. I do not plan to vaccinate my child for any reason,

but am expecting opposistion from many sides (including the in-

laws...UGH), so I am thankful to have this list as a resource.

Anyway, my nephews are Evan, who turned three this past October, and

Landon, who was two this last September. My sister, unfortunately,

is one of those mothers who believes everything the doctors tell her

and those precious little boys have been vaccinated on the regular

schedule that most doctors recommend. So far in his short little

life, Evan has developed Asthma which he has been hospitalized with

four times, Pneumonia which has hospitalized him once, recurring

staph infections, and recurring ear infections which eventually

required tubes. Landon has also had Pneumonia and has been

hospitalized twice and undergone surgery once due to recurrent staph

infections.

Though I can't actually prove it, I know in my heart that there is a

definite link between all those vaccines and the health problems

these boys have faced. It makes me absolutely sick, particularly

since my sister is expecting her third child, a little girl, in late

May. I feel so helpless because despite my constant urging her to

educate herself, she believes the doctor over me because HE went to

med school. She and I have a fabulous relationship and have never

not gotten along, but we have had several disagreements over this

issue in the past year. She does not currently have internet access

and I live 550 miles away from her, so getting her to join this list

isn't an option at the moment. I have sent her dozens of articles

written by people with credentials to try and get her educated, but I

don't feel like it's done much good. I am here because I feel like

the more I learn, the better able I will be to educate her.

I am very happy to have found this list and I look forward to getting

to know others out there who share my beliefs.

Sincerely,

le in MS

[Guest guest]

le,

Try sending her a copy of the book " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You

About Children's Vaccines " by Dr. Cave. It's written by an

actual doctor, and it's moderate in tone.

~Robyn

sphynxlover2 wrote:

>

> Hello all,

> I apologize for the belated introduction. Life just gets too hectic

> sometimes! I initially joined this list because I have two beautiful

> nephews that I believe have been vaccine damaged, and I am trying to

> find information to share with my sister so she can " see the

> light " . In addition, after joining this list I found out that I am

> expecting my first child, so I will also be gathering information for

> myself as well. I do not plan to vaccinate my child for any reason,

> but am expecting opposistion from many sides (including the in-

> laws...UGH), so I am thankful to have this list as a resource.

>

> Anyway, my nephews are Evan, who turned three this past October, and

> Landon, who was two this last September. My sister, unfortunately,

> is one of those mothers who believes everything the doctors tell her

> and those precious little boys have been vaccinated on the regular

> schedule that most doctors recommend. So far in his short little

> life, Evan has developed Asthma which he has been hospitalized with

> four times, Pneumonia which has hospitalized him once, recurring

> staph infections, and recurring ear infections which eventually

> required tubes. Landon has also had Pneumonia and has been

> hospitalized twice and undergone surgery once due to recurrent staph

> infections.

>

> Though I can't actually prove it, I know in my heart that there is a

> definite link between all those vaccines and the health problems

> these boys have faced. It makes me absolutely sick, particularly

> since my sister is expecting her third child, a little girl, in late

> May. I feel so helpless because despite my constant urging her to

> educate herself, she believes the doctor over me because HE went to

> med school. She and I have a fabulous relationship and have never

> not gotten along, but we have had several disagreements over this

> issue in the past year. She does not currently have internet access

> and I live 550 miles away from her, so getting her to join this list

> isn't an option at the moment. I have sent her dozens of articles

> written by people with credentials to try and get her educated, but I

> don't feel like it's done much good. I am here because I feel like

> the more I learn, the better able I will be to educate her.

>

> I am very happy to have found this list and I look forward to getting

> to know others out there who share my beliefs.

> Sincerely,

> le in MS

>

>

--

Robyn

robyn@... <mailto:%20robyn@...>

http://www.rmcsquared.net/

[Guest guest]

Hello all.

I've been lurking about for a month or so and have been enjoying all the posts,

support and information offered by this group's members. So glad I found you!

A quick rundown of my spinal history (if I go on to long, I understand if you

don't want to read it all -- I've just noticed you all ask for more details:

I've had neck pain and headaches(moderately severe to severe) since Fall 1998,

when I was 30yo. Originally thought to be soley caused by chronic, low-grade

meningoenchaphalitis caused by neuroborelliosis (Lyme disease of the CNS), it

turned out that I have other neck problems as well. The Lyme treatment helped

the headaches for a couple of years, but now I recognize that my current

headaches are caused by my neck; I can feel it climbing from my c-spine, up my

neck, around behind my right ear and up to the right frontal-lobe area.

In August, 2006 I had a C6-7 laminotomy and diskectomy after the C7 foraminal

opening had been blocked completely for a couple of months. (The disc had

extruded about a year prior, judging by the huge jump in pain.) The surgeon, who

also did my pre-op CT/myelogram, said that he was shocked I wasn't screaming

about C5-6 because it looked worse on the MRI & CT/M than the one he eventually

" fixed " .

Since the surgery, which did immediately get rid of the nerve impingement pain,

I have have continued to have a lot of pain and nerve symptoms. Recent Xrays

show that the marked loss or lordosis in my neck is continuing to worsen and now

show mild dextro-scoliosis (significant because I also have new mild

levo-scoliosis in the L-spine as well), DDD, bulging discs, facet arthritis,

etc. I doubt the central canal stenosis has resolved itself and wonder if that's

the cause of the headaches (its at a few levels in the c-spine). I have had many

shoulder problems, likely because of changes induced by the neck stuff as well

as arthritis in the shoulders.

I don't know as much about my lower back yet. It's bothered me since my first

son was born 23 years ago, but I didn't complain to the doc until last October.

He finally did Xrays in March that confirmed what I thought: similar problems at

L4-5 and L5-S1, with disc narrowing and bulging, facet arthritis, and the

scoliosis. I've asked the doc to get an MRI authorized of the cervical and

lumbar spine, and he wants to include the brain as well. (I had lesion issues

back with the Lyme, and he's wanting to rule out MS.) Hopefully an MRI would at

least let us know with a little more certainty what I'm dealing with.

At 41, I didn't plan on feeling this crappy for at least another 20 years! I

have other issues as well, some other arthritic stuff and some nerve and

cognitive issues left over--we think--from the Lyme, but I won't wax on about

those.

Currently I'm in a holding pattern with meds: I take an Rx NSAID, MS Contin

twice a day, 3-4 vicodin a day, and neurontin for my pain issues. If I basically

do nothing, the meds are okay; if I go to the grocery store or vacuum, they

don't work so well. I struggle with wanting more pain relief and not taking high

levels of pain drugs now... I have years ahead of me and will need to increase

over the long haul, I'm sure.

Well, I've typed about twice as much as I intended so I'll shut up now. LOL.

Thanks for reading all of this and for letting me hang out with you all!

(Oregon)