Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I'm about ready to go myself. I have joined two others, too. Nothing like

this is going on there. I came out of " lurkdom " and I'm not to go back. I'll

just call a spade a spade and I'm all crapped out!

Cher in Wisconsin

> > >

> > > Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I

> > > stated in my first email. You get to defensive when someone like

> > > myself makes a suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very

> > > experienced in your background but you should be open to other

> > > peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3 different

> > > doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my

> > > insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

> > > friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my

> > > original email ( I would not base my final decision solely on an 0R

> > > nurses recommendation) Everyone that has joined this group has a

> > > right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> > >

> > > Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

> > > Surgeon

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are

> > > excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of

> > > both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes

> > > in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best

> > > ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital

> > > within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak

> > > to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend.

> > > If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available

> > > nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> > > ---

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> > >

> > >

> > > Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> > > first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> > > spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> > > Which one should you go to with neck issues?

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > > found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> > > http://www.microsof t.com/windows/ choosepc/ ?ocid=ftp_ val_wl_290

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thank You . I just want to help. There's just SO MUCH that poeple don't

know! ---

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my 

> first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in 

> spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . 

> Which one should you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'd like to know how many procedures you assisted on failed the patient.

spinal problems

From: tpowell1977@...

Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:52:21 -0700

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Thank You . I just want to help. There's just SO MUCH that poeple don't

know! ---

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> Which one should you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

Agreed. Well said. ---

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

>

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

>

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know about another time or day but is telling it like it is.

Bedside manner isn't worth a hill of beans when it comes to whether or not you

walk again. It is frightening but she is right. I have called the OR number and

talked to the nurses before to find out who they use for this or that. This may

not be what you want to hear and you sure have the right not to believe it or

use it and I will defend that right to the death. But it still won't change the

reality.

Lexie

[Guest guest]

I don't understand where " battling " and " defensive " come in. I was NEVER

negitive, not once. I simply stated fact, and the experience behind the fact so

that the person would know it comes from a reliable source and is not just a lay

person's opinion. I am in some serious disbelief at the negative and combatitive

attitudes on here...and ungrateful. You  know, I really wasn't bothered before,

because I know you don't all understand, and that's OK! But now after reading

this I am seriously pissed off. What is the problem here? Do you guys really not

get that I'm not high on myself and I really do have VALID FACT that you will

not hear anywhere else..unless you happen to know a spine surgical nurse who's

worked with some of the best spine surgeons in the world. I am here for one

reason and one reason only...to HELP people understand things they don't know!

And people...you DON'T KNOW! I have hands on participated in just about every

sugical procedure you

can throw at me, spine or otherwise. Because of my love of surgery, mt desire

to help others like me and my own experiences with spine surgery, I have

peppered the worlds best docs for learning for years. Because of this, you

people should be listening up! And I didn't choose the second best docs to ask.

I asked the docs with intelligence, intergity and love of helping people. Not

the ones who operate to line their pockets, not the ones who leave people

crippled or with half-assed operations. You guys have NO IDEA about the world

you are trying to navigate..and here I am trying to give it to you...for free

and on my own time in my bust life. The simple fact that I have survived 16

years of back pain and six operations and am STILL WORKING...should make you

think I may have some answers to getting better and living a quality life. Would

you reaxt this way to a surgeon who was on here giving advice? Or would you perk

up and pay attention...would youtake

their words as fact? Well, then do it with me, because the woeds I speak are

directly from some of the best surgeons you could ever find. I feel so

heartbroken for those of you who don't live close enough to a good hospital

fillecd with the world's finest. This is why I try to help. WHO THE HELL ELSE

WILL?

I'm realizing that some people don't want to get better, or don't want to work

at getting better. It's all about the next pill or procedure that will make me

better so I don't have to kick my own pain's ass...because it's TOO HARD! Well

until you are ready to do so, the sad news is that you will never have what I

have. Sleep, a good job, a family that I can actually take care of and enjoy. It

have to work at it all the time...but living life is so worth the effort!

---

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my 

> first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in 

> spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . 

> Which one should you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>__________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

So, what you just said to is actually defensive and attacking and

argumentative...exactly the things you accused me of.  So you're shooting down

's point of view just because you don't agree. It's all opinion.

And Cheryle,perhaps she felt the need to defend me because I actually AM being

attacked.

---

 

________________________________

From: cheryle.timm <no_reply >

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:18:11 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

We know how well you regard , . It's evident in your messages along

with telling her she should write a book after I was suggested by another member

that I should write one. I will tell the difference between us. I will write a

book on my life and it's experiences and can write a book her life and

experiences as well as writing a book on spinal surgery, doctors, ect...from a

well trained nurses point of view. No one is questoning her integrity just some

of the responses. Don't feel you have to defend her here as no one is attacking

her. We were just posing legitimate questions.

Love,

Cheryle in Wisconsin

> >

> > Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I

> > stated in my first email. You get to defensive when someone like

> > myself makes a suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very

> > experienced in your background but you should be open to other

> > peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3 different

> > doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my

> > insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

> > friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my

> > original email ( I would not base my final decision solely on an 0R

> > nurses recommendation) Everyone that has joined this group has a

> > right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> >

> > Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

> > Surgeon

> >

> >

> >

> > That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are

> > excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of

> > both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes

> > in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best

> > ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital

> > within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak

> > to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend.

> > If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available

> > nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> > ---

> >

> >

> >

> > Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> >

> >

> > Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> > first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> > spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> > Which one should you go to with neck issues?

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Did the medicine not make your pain more manageable? or did it just not work as

well? or did maybe it wasn't a high enough dose. Or maybe you didn't give it a

chance to work. If you are going from long term use of a narcotic...Ultram will

not appear to work...but after time, as your body adjusts to not having the

narcotic, the Ultram will work. It's works the SAME way as the narcotic does!

---

________________________________

From: cheryle.timm <no_reply >

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:26:06 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

I believe she has told of the pain meds and she advocated Ultram which

ablolutely doesn't work me or others. Everyone is different and not everyone

responds the same. I would love to get away from narcotics but for me they are

the only thing that works and I'm happy to go with that. I will not have a pain

pump put in my back or any tens bullshit as they have not worked. I've tried a

lot and am tired of the invasive needles in my spine. Honestly, I'd rather just

cut to the chase and have the sugery if a mileogram says that I'm in need of it.

That is one diagnostic procedure that has always worked for me and I will always

trust it's out come.

Love,

Cher in Wisconsin

> >

> > Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I

> > stated in my first email. You get to defensive when someone like

> > myself makes a suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very

> > experienced in your background but you should be open to other

> > peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3 different

> > doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my

> > insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

> > friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my

> > original email ( I would not base my final decision solely on an 0R

> > nurses recommendation) Everyone that has joined this group has a

> > right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> >

> > Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

> > Surgeon

> >

> >

> >

> > That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are

> > excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of

> > both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes

> > in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best

> > ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital

> > within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak

> > to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend.

> > If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available

> > nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> > ---

> >

> >

> >

> > Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> >

> >

> > Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> > first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> > spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> > Which one should you go to with neck issues?

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> > found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Seriously? Are you friggin kidding me? Major things go wrong with things that

surgeons do, neede I remind you of that. None of the people here are patients of

mine, therefore I am not responsible...and I regret that I've had to put it that

way, but you kinda forced me into it. What exactly would it take here for people

to listen to what I'm saying and believe me? Do I have to have MD after my name?

Lets remember how many MD's have hurt and neglected the very same people on

here. Wow...don't ANYONE on here advise mc090909 of anything. Wanna get started

on LAWYERS??? ---

________________________________

From: cheryle.timm <no_reply >

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:27:48 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Oh my! I have nothing further!

> >

> > Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I stated in

my first email. You get to defensive when someone like myself makes a

suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very experienced in your background

but you should be open to other peoples suggestions or opinions also. I

interviewed 3 different doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky

that my insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my original email ( I

would not base my final decision solely on an 0R nurses recommendation) Everyone

that has joined this group has a right to agree oir disagree with someone

suggestion.

> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> >

> > Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> >

> >

> >

> > That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent

neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go

with Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical if

you ca find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call

the best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to

speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. If

you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available nurse in the OR.

good Luck!!!

> > ---

> >

> >

> >

> > Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> >

> >

> > Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> > found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for

you.

> > http://www.microsof t.com/windows/ choosepc/ ?ocid=ftp_ val_wl_290

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

wow...so I'mm bragging. OK. Because I explain where my info comes from in order

to validate it. That's bragging. OK. And you're right..there IS nothinglike this

going on in the other groups...and guaranteed if you go there, you'll pollute

them with your skepticisn and negativity. Really, if someone who was a car

mechanic was on here and had all the answers about car problems...would you call

them bragging and curse them for 'having all the answers?'\

You are ridiculous! I honestly hope that you both find the help and answers you

are looking for, wether they are based on medical fact or old wives tales.

--

________________________________

From: cheryle.timm <no_reply >

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:34:32 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Yeah, I'm about ready to go myself. I have joined two others, too. Nothing like

this is going on there. I came out of " lurkdom " and I'm not to go back. I'll

just call a spade a spade and I'm all crapped out!

Cher in Wisconsin

> > >

> > > Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I

> > > stated in my first email. You get to defensive when someone like

> > > myself makes a suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very

> > > experienced in your background but you should be open to other

> > > peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3 different

> > > doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my

> > > insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

> > > friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my

> > > original email ( I would not base my final decision solely on an 0R

> > > nurses recommendation) Everyone that has joined this group has a

> > > right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> > >

> > > Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

> > > Surgeon

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are

> > > excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of

> > > both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes

> > > in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best

> > > ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital

> > > within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak

> > > to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend.

> > > If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available

> > > nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> > > ---

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> > >

> > >

> > > Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> > > first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> > > spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> > > Which one should you go to with neck issues?

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > > found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right

for you.

> > > http://www.microsof t.com/windows/ choosepc/ ?ocid=ftp_ val_wl_290

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

wow. I will not dignify that with a response. Where's all the grace and

kindness, respect and understanding...the yearning for truth?

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my 

> first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in 

> spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . 

> Which one should you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm glad to know you are here! Deb is an RN also!

Could you tell me a little about yourself? Are you still able to work with your

spine problem? Nursing is a tough career on your body and super hard to keep up

with if you have a bad back!

---

________________________________

From: " Teddyberen@... " <Teddyberen@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:53:52 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

, I am an RN, with a masters degree who worked in the Operating Room..

There is more than one nurse here. I have worked with many neuro and

orthopedic surgeon. This all means nothing, except there is more than one nurse

in this forum.

DM

In a message dated 6/17/2009 5:55:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

mc090909 (DOT) com writes:

Wow. Brag you do. I just hope that one of these members in this group that

takes one of your recommendations and then proceeds with your suggestion

and then something major goes wrong with it. Could be a lawsuit. Even in

cyberspace. I fail to mention that I am a practicing attorney for 22 years!

Everyone have a good night I'm tired of this subject matte

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent

neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go

with Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical

if you ca find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine

surgeon is call the best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the

Operating Room. Ask to speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she

would recommend. If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any

available nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine

issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should

you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> _http://www.microsof http://www. michttp:/ /wwhttp:/ /wwwhttp: //www_

(http://www.microsof t.com/windows/ choosepc/ ?ocid=ftp_ val_wl_290)

>

>

[Guest guest]

I will say this, I'm out of here as this has turned into some kind of myspace

immature kind of bullshit. If you see that as arguementive, attacking and

defensive that is your opinion. You are welcome to it. I respect it even if I

don't agree. I'll agree to degree and call it quits. I am no longer responding

to any more messages and I apoligize to the ones here that aren't involved and

just care about me.

Good bye,

Cher in Wisconsin

> > >

> > > Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I

> > > stated in my first email. You get to defensive when someone like

> > > myself makes a suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very

> > > experienced in your background but you should be open to other

> > > peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3 different

> > > doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my

> > > insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

> > > friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my

> > > original email ( I would not base my final decision solely on an 0R

> > > nurses recommendation) Everyone that has joined this group has a

> > > right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> > >

> > > Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

> > > Surgeon

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are

> > > excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of

> > > both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes

> > > in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best

> > > ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital

> > > within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak

> > > to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend.

> > > If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available

> > > nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> > > ---

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> > >

> > >

> > > Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> > > first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> > > spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> > > Which one should you go to with neck issues?

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > > found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

PEACE! What is going on here? The idea is to share what we've learned

and learn what we don't know. We may not agree with everything

everyone says. I don't agree with everything my neuro says, but I have

great respect for him, and I can always check out things he says that

sound formed by his particular predilections, rather than by research

and long experience. I can check questionable info out with this

group, for instance, or Google it. No one person has all the answers,

but some people have more valid answers than others. I'd tend to trust

most the suggestions that come from the longest, most varied, and

intensive professional experience. I've learned a great deal from many

people in this group and would hate for us to get carried away and

split apart over hot tempers.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Babbitt wrote:

wow. I will not dignify that with a response. Where's all the grace

and kindness, respect and understanding...the yearning for truth?

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> Which one should you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

you attacked for defending me. Period. That's ok for you to do, but I

give advice and I attack and become defensive. You 're not making any sense! YOU

alone have caused this immaturity and the problems which you perceive. People in

other groups have disagreements...and that's fine...debate should be

encouraged...but only among ADULTS who can handle it, agree to disagree if they

must and them move on. The immature ones turn tail and run and have no skills

for working out a problem. So Cheryle, do what you feel you must. You alone are

responsible for you. Do what you feel is right. you sure as hell won't get an

argument from me!

--

________________________________

From: cheryle.timm <no_reply >

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:32:23 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

I will say this, I'm out of here as this has turned into some kind of myspace

immature kind of bullshit. If you see that as arguementive, attacking and

defensive that is your opinion. You are welcome to it. I respect it even if I

don't agree. I'll agree to degree and call it quits. I am no longer responding

to any more messages and I apoligize to the ones here that aren't involved and

just care about me.

Good bye,

Cher in Wisconsin

> > >

> > > Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I

> > > stated in my first email. You get to defensive when someone like

> > > myself makes a suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very

> > > experienced in your background but you should be open to other

> > > peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3 different

> > > doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my

> > > insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

> > > friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my

> > > original email ( I would not base my final decision solely on an 0R

> > > nurses recommendation) Everyone that has joined this group has a

> > > right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> > >

> > > Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

> > > Surgeon

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are

> > > excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of

> > > both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes

> > > in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best

> > > ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital

> > > within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak

> > > to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend.

> > > If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available

> > > nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> > > ---

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> > >

> > >

> > > Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> > > first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> > > spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> > > Which one should you go to with neck issues?

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > > found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right

for you.

> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well said, Dianne. So very sorry about your sister.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Dianne wrote:

Unfortunately I know first hand that things can go wrong in the OR and

someone ends up in worse condition than they already were. My sister had

surgery to reverse a colostomy and during surgery her surgeon came out

and informed me that she had a blood clot in her intestines and they

were not sure if they were viable or not. Three months later I buried my

sister and I'm now in the process of suing this group of doctors who

were highly recommended and are " tops " in their field of Colon/Rectal

Surgery here in NY. Her cause of death was Sepsis, Ischemic Bowel

Disease.

I could have let my sister's death prevent me from ever seeking the help

of a doctor but I couldn't. There was no way I could've stayed away from

one when the problem worsened with my neck. I had to trust the doctors

and mostly I had to trust the neurosurgeon. I'm glad I did.

There are good doctors out there and people can't let their emotions get

in the way of seeking medical help because they distrust every doctor.

There are good and bad in every profession. I've found that word of

mouth is the best recommendation when seeking the help of a professional

and when it comes to your health the best thing you can do is research.

It's time consuming but if you want the best it's worth it.

Everyone in this group is here for the same reason and we are adults and

should realize it's OK to disagree. Bickering back and forth and

attacking other members for believing what they believe is not good. It

takes away from the integrity of the group.

From the messages I've been reading is merely trying to help

everyone by offering advice. You can either take it or ignore it.

Dianne

>>

>> Wow. Brag you do. I just hope that one of these members in this

group that takes one of your recommendations and then proceeds with your

suggestion and then something major goes wrong with it. Could be a

lawsuit. Even in cyberspace. I fail to mention that I am a practicing

attorney for 22 years! Everyone have a good night I'm tired of this

subject matte

>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>>

[Guest guest]

Dianne,

I am SO SORRY to hear of your sister's loss. And from something so preventable!

It's scary how much faith goes into these docs, but we have no choice do we?

Docs are just people who have gone through a bit more education that others, who

still make judgement errors and put their pants on one leg at a time like we do.

How does someone out in the world gage who is good and who is not? You can't

tell the difference. The local hospital doc here who is supposed to be " the

best " is not someone who would ever toouch me. I've worked with him too. But the

best in a suburb or a rural area...is not the best you can get. Everyone

graduates from medical school...not everyone at the top. The ones who don't

graduate at the top have to practice somewhere...

________________________________

From: Dianne <dianne12315@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:45:17 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Unfortunately I know first hand that things can go wrong in the OR and

someone ends up in worse condition than they already were. My sister had

surgery to reverse a colostomy and during surgery her surgeon came out

and informed me that she had a blood clot in her intestines and they

were not sure if they were viable or not. Three months later I buried my

sister and I'm now in the process of suing this group of doctors who

were highly recommended and are " tops " in their field of Colon/Rectal

Surgery here in NY. Her cause of death was Sepsis, Ischemic Bowel

Disease.

I could have let my sister's death prevent me from ever seeking the help

of a doctor but I couldn't. There was no way I could've stayed away from

one when the problem worsened with my neck. I had to trust the doctors

and mostly I had to trust the neurosurgeon. I'm glad I did.

There are good doctors out there and people can't let their emotions get

in the way of seeking medical help because they distrust every doctor.

There are good and bad in every profession. I've found that word of

mouth is the best recommendation when seeking the help of a professional

and when it comes to your health the best thing you can do is research.

It's time consuming but if you want the best it's worth it.

Everyone in this group is here for the same reason and we are adults and

should realize it's OK to disagree. Bickering back and forth and

attacking other members for believing what they believe is not good. It

takes away from the integrity of the group.

From the messages I've been reading is merely trying to help

everyone by offering advice. You can either take it or ignore it.

Dianne

> >

> > Wow. Brag you do. I just hope that one of these members in this

group that takes one of your recommendations and then proceeds with your

suggestion and then something major goes wrong with it. Could be a

lawsuit. Even in cyberspace. I fail to mention that I am a practicing

attorney for 22 years! Everyone have a good night I'm tired of this

subject matte

> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm glad that you are able to continue working. It's not always easy, but it

makes you feel like the pain has not yet won. And it keeps you active. keep up

the good work! I can't believe you were back to work so early! Oh my gosh! It's

good that you are doing so well, you are indeed fortunate!

---tracy

________________________________

From: Dianne <dianne12315@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:58:58 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Hi ,

I'm not an RN but I do work in the healthcare field. I just had an

anterior cervical fusion C6-7 with instrumentation on April 7th.

I work with the Developmentally Disabled adults and have 7 women I take

care of. All but two are in wheelchairs and must be lifted. I was back

to work within a week of surgery and back to lifting within two weeks. I

still get twinges in my neck if I do too much but for the most part my

neck does not prevent me from doing my job.

I also have a herniated disc in my lower spine at the L5-S1 level but

thankfully it doesn't cause me any problems like it does to some people

here in the group. I find that some days my lower back prevents me from

lifting moreso than my neck does. I just pray everyday that my lower

back remains stable. Working a double shift wreaks havoc on my back now

that I'm older. On days when my lower back is bothering me I try not to

lift. Thankfully I have great co-workers.

Dianne

>

> I'm glad to know you are here! Deb is an RN also!

> Could you tell me a little about yourself? Are you still able to work

with your spine problem? Nursing is a tough career on your body and

super hard to keep up with if you have a bad back!

> ---

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm a relatively new member to this group that mostly reads, rather than

writes.  I love all that and everybody else brings to this forum.  I

have learned so much from all.  In my mind, is God-sent.  There's no

question that she knows her stuff.  She is up-to-date with facts,

procedures, and technology.  She has first hand knowledge of what we are all

going through, and is strong in her advice, recommendations, and opinions.  As

a result, there may come a time or two when she does not totally understand

where others are coming from in forming their comments and opinions.  When

questioned about responses of responses, some information can be mistaken in

translation, and can be seen as being defensive or critical.  Just because

may seem defensive of her strong " opinions " , doesn't translate into her

being mean to others not agreeing with her.

________________________________

From: andrea dean <aodean@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:49:34 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Funny, my take on is quite different. What I read in her 

recommendations are well-intended, helpful, no BS suggestions based on 

her professional and personal experience. I don't perceive any 

defensiveness. With all she has to do--three kids, a job, a husband--

I'm grateful that she still takes precious time to frame helpful 

answers for each of us.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 4:21 PM, cheryle.timm wrote:

I agree and , you seem to get into it with people here. Why is 

that? Are you not open to other peoples suggestions and ideas? I'm 

just curious. You are a strong and I'm guessing , a beautiful young 

woman that has faced adversity face to face and kicked it in the balls 

and made your own way in life and I'm proud to know you in the cyber 

world but I'm a little worried that you might have a amall chip on 

your shoulder. I'm not being critical so don't get all defensive. 

Listen to me. I'm an older woman who was very headstrong and I've 

learned to accept and welcome other peoples ideas, suggestions in life 

whether I agree or not I just thank them for them even taking the time 

to response. I've learned this with age and experience. I think the 

world of you but I think you might to rethink your opinion and 

responses. Take this as if I'm a big sister. Ever though we are not 

related by blood, we are related in pain and suffering and I think 

that brings us closer than blood as we know what the other is 

experiencing. We are all brother and sisters, here. Well, except for 

husbands and wives, lol. Take this gracefully, . It's not that 

hard to do and can be very liberating from previous self convictions.

Love,

Cher in Wisconsin

>

> Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I 

> stated in my first email.  You  get to defensive when someone like 

> myself makes a suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very 

> experienced in your background but you should be open to other 

> peoples suggestions or opinions also.  I interviewed 3 different 

> doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my 

> insurance covered it.  I also got some referrals from co workers and 

> friends which had similar surgeries.  As I stated again in my 

> original email ( I would not base my final decision solely on an 0R 

> nurses recommendation)  Everyone that has joined this group has a 

> right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

> Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic 

> Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are 

> excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of 

> both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes 

> in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best 

> ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital 

> within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak 

> to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. 

> If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available 

> nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my 

> first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in 

> spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . 

> Which one should you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

You're right, there's no need to battle.  You two are both very strong

people.  Anyhow, I'm told that I need to have a fusion of L5-S1.  The

neurosurgeon said that he will be going in through the back, as well as the

front.  Is this typical?  I'm sort of becoming skeptical of this whole

procedure now.  Also, I've heard people talk about taking bone from hip, or

something along those lines; however, the doc never stated anything like that. 

Lastly, once I would leave the hospital after 3-5 days, will I be able to " help

myself " and walk around house?

________________________________

From: " mc090909@... " <mc090909@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:04:27 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Like I said everyone has their own opinion. I just don't like " battling " a

person andrea just because I made a suggestion. That's the point. We are all

here for some type of reason. Questions answers suggestions or to vent. Traci

needs to understand this and not be so negative to mine and others suggestions.

She may have six. Years as a spine nurse a six time canidate for spine surgery

kids and a fulltime job. So do others here. But one persons reccomendation is

not always correct all the time. How do I no that she is always correct with her

answers. Just because she's a spine nuse and she has so many years in her field

does not make her reccomendations right. That's why she shoild " suggest " certain

treatments pain medication to these membersm

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic 

> Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are 

> excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of 

> both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes 

> in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best 

> ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital 

> within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak 

> to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. 

> If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available 

> nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my 

> first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in 

> spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . 

> Which one should you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>__________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

With me, all I know is that Ultram does not work like a narcotic!  I could take

it after years, months, or days of not taking it, or taking it just after coming

off narcotics.  However, it will always act like an " upper " , and speed me up,

wether it's 25mg or more.  Is there any reasoning for this?

________________________________

From: Babbitt <tpowell1977@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:10:47 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Did the medicine not make your pain more manageable? or did it just not work as

well? or did maybe it wasn't a high enough dose. Or maybe you didn't give it a

chance to work. If you are going from long term use of a narcotic...Ultram will

not appear to work...but after time, as your body adjusts to not having the

narcotic, the Ultram will work. It's works the SAME way as the narcotic does!

---

____________ _________ _________ __

From: cheryle.timm <no_reply@group s.com>

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:26:06 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

I believe she has told of the pain meds and she advocated Ultram which

ablolutely doesn't work me or others. Everyone is different and not everyone

responds the same. I would love to get away from narcotics but for me they are

the only thing that works and I'm happy to go with that. I will not have a pain

pump put in my back or any tens bullshit as they have not worked. I've tried a

lot and am tired of the invasive needles in my spine. Honestly, I'd rather just

cut to the chase and have the sugery if a mileogram says that I'm in need of it.

That is one diagnostic procedure that has always worked for me and I will always

trust it's out come.

Love,

Cher in Wisconsin

> >

> > Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I

> > stated in my first email. You get to defensive when someone like

> > myself makes a suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very

> > experienced in your background but you should be open to other

> > peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3 different

> > doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my

> > insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

> > friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my

> > original email ( I would not base my final decision solely on an 0R

> > nurses recommendation) Everyone that has joined this group has a

> > right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> >

> > Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

> > Surgeon

> >

> >

> >

> > That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are

> > excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of

> > both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes

> > in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best

> > ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital

> > within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak

> > to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend.

> > If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available

> > nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> > ---

> >

> >

> >

> > Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> >

> >

> > Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> > first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> > spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> > Which one should you go to with neck issues?

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> > found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I totally agree. I enjoy this group and thank and others who have given

such good advice. I am the one that asked the question about neuro or ortho

surgeon and I am sorry to cause such a disagreement.. Thank you all for all the

advice and don't quit giving your experiences etc.

spinal problems

From: aodean@...

Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:02:32 -0400

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Well said, Dianne. So very sorry about your sister.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Dianne wrote:

Unfortunately I know first hand that things can go wrong in the OR and

someone ends up in worse condition than they already were. My sister had

surgery to reverse a colostomy and during surgery her surgeon came out

and informed me that she had a blood clot in her intestines and they

were not sure if they were viable or not. Three months later I buried my

sister and I'm now in the process of suing this group of doctors who

were highly recommended and are " tops " in their field of Colon/Rectal

Surgery here in NY. Her cause of death was Sepsis, Ischemic Bowel

Disease.

I could have let my sister's death prevent me from ever seeking the help

of a doctor but I couldn't. There was no way I could've stayed away from

one when the problem worsened with my neck. I had to trust the doctors

and mostly I had to trust the neurosurgeon. I'm glad I did.

There are good doctors out there and people can't let their emotions get

in the way of seeking medical help because they distrust every doctor.

There are good and bad in every profession. I've found that word of

mouth is the best recommendation when seeking the help of a professional

and when it comes to your health the best thing you can do is research.

It's time consuming but if you want the best it's worth it.

Everyone in this group is here for the same reason and we are adults and

should realize it's OK to disagree. Bickering back and forth and

attacking other members for believing what they believe is not good. It

takes away from the integrity of the group.

From the messages I've been reading is merely trying to help

everyone by offering advice. You can either take it or ignore it.

Dianne

>>

>> Wow. Brag you do. I just hope that one of these members in this

group that takes one of your recommendations and then proceeds with your

suggestion and then something major goes wrong with it. Could be a

lawsuit. Even in cyberspace. I fail to mention that I am a practicing

attorney for 22 years! Everyone have a good night I'm tired of this

subject matte

>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>>

[Guest guest]

Let me help you understand your surgery, I absolutely agree with your doc with

the anterior and posterior approach, and let me tell you why. The anterior/

posterior approach allows for the disk to be more thoroughly removed and  from

the front, a piece of cadaver bone or a small cage filled with bone can be

placed where the disk was. Look at a pic of the spine and note the access from

both the front and back. You cannot access the front of the dick from the back

of the body. The posterior approach is where the screws and rods will be placed

which will prevent movement in the spine while the bone in the front fuses with

the agacent vertebrae. Also, more bone and BMP may be placed here. Once the

fusion process occurs (about 1-2 yrs) the hardware serves no purpose, and in

some cases may need to be removed as it can cause pain in some people. The

reason your doc isn't taking bone from your hip is because that procedure is

being replaced by the use of BMP

(bone morphogenic protein). This is an amazing substance that causes rapid bone

growth and is just as good as your own bone, considering you don't have to

undergo the painful grafting process. You may want to research it online, the

BMP. This way of fusing has a mich higher success rate than anterior only or

posterior only, and use of the BMP will also increase your chances of a good

solid fusion. The biggest risk with fusion is non-union...and it happens. It

happened to me once.  One more thing you can do to greatly increase your

chances of successful fusion is to ask your surgeon about a bone stimulator.

This looks sort of like a tens unit and also has two electrodes that you place

over the fusion site. It sends impulses that you cannot feel to the bone and

causes mineralization that promotes healthy fusion. He may have this in mind for

you already. Most good spine surgeons will, if he already is using the

anterior/posterior approach and BMP, chances

are he knows his stuff.

Now, upon your return home, no, you will need help at home for some time. The

posterior part of the fusion is very painful, but all the work that the surgeon

did inside you can easily be disrupted by moving around and doing too much. The

more you try to do, the more pain you will experience. It's probably going to

take you months to feel better. It took 9 mos for me before I felt like I was on

the upswing. You should start some gently PT soon after surgery, this will

consist of non-range of motion exercizes and will forus on the core muscles and

getting them strong which will decrease your pain. Remember your core muscles

will be cut and aggressively pulled aside both from the front and back, so your

main souce of support is mush!.

 The more help you can get the better. The biggest piece of advice I can give

you for post-op...DO NOTHING!!!

No dishes, vacccuming, cooking, etc. You won't be physically capable for a while

anyway, but even when you start feeling better, it's too much on your body.

Good luck with your surgery. I hope all goes well for you. We are all here to

support you!

---

 

________________________________

From: D Chavez <chavezd@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:24:18 AM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

You're right, there's no need to battle.  You two are both very strong

people.  Anyhow, I'm told that I need to have a fusion of L5-S1.  The

neurosurgeon said that he will be going in through the back, as well as the

front.  Is this typical?  I'm sort of becoming skeptical of this whole

procedure now.  Also, I've heard people talk about taking bone from hip, or

something along those lines; however, the doc never stated anything like that. 

Lastly, once I would leave the hospital after 3-5 days, will I be able to " help

myself " and walk around house?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: " mc090909 (DOT) com " <mc090909 (DOT) com>

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:04:27 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Like I said everyone has their own opinion. I just don't like " battling " a

person andrea just because I made a suggestion. That's the point. We are all

here for some type of reason. Questions answers suggestions or to vent. Traci

needs to understand this and not be so negative to mine and others suggestions.

She may have six. Years as a spine nurse a six time canidate for spine surgery

kids and a fulltime job. So do others here. But one persons reccomendation is

not always correct all the time. How do I no that she is always correct with her

answers. Just because she's a spine nuse and she has so many years in her field

does not make her reccomendations right. That's why she shoild " suggest " certain

treatments pain medication to these membersm

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic 

> Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are 

> excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of 

> both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes 

> in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best 

> ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital 

> within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak 

> to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. 

> If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available 

> nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my 

> first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in 

> spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . 

> Which one should you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

Let me help you understand your surgery, I absolutely agree with your doc with

the anterior and posterior approach, and let me tell you why. The anterior/

posterior approach allows for the disk to be more thoroughly removed and  from

the front, a piece of cadaver bone or a small cage filled with bone can be

placed where the disk was. Look at a pic of the spine and note the access from

both the front and back. You cannot access the front of the dick from the back

of the body. The posterior approach is where the screws and rods will be placed

which will prevent movement in the spine while the bone in the front fuses with

the agacent vertebrae. Also, more bone and BMP may be placed here. Once the

fusion process occurs (about 1-2 yrs) the hardware serves no purpose, and in

some cases may need to be removed as it can cause pain in some people. The

reason your doc isn't taking bone from your hip is because that procedure is

being replaced by the use of BMP

(bone morphogenic protein). This is an amazing substance that causes rapid bone

growth and is just as good as your own bone, considering you don't have to

undergo the painful grafting process. You may want to research it online, the

BMP. This way of fusing has a mich higher success rate than anterior only or

posterior only, and use of the BMP will also increase your chances of a good

solid fusion. The biggest risk with fusion is non-union...and it happens. It

happened to me once.  One more thing you can do to greatly increase your

chances of successful fusion is to ask your surgeon about a bone stimulator.

This looks sort of like a tens unit and also has two electrodes that you place

over the fusion site. It sends impulses that you cannot feel to the bone and

causes mineralization that promotes healthy fusion. He may have this in mind for

you already. Most good spine surgeons will, if he already is using the

anterior/posterior approach and BMP, chances

are he knows his stuff.

Now, upon your return home, no, you will need help at home for some time. The

posterior part of the fusion is very painful, but all the work that the surgeon

did inside you can easily be disrupted by moving around and doing too much. The

more you try to do, the more pain you will experience. It's probably going to

take you months to feel better. It took 9 mos for me before I felt like I was on

the upswing. You should start some gently PT soon after surgery, this will

consist of non-range of motion exercizes and will forus on the core muscles and

getting them strong which will decrease your pain. Remember your core muscles

will be cut and aggressively pulled aside both from the front and back, so your

main souce of support is mush!.

 The more help you can get the better. The biggest piece of advice I can give

you for post-op...DO NOTHING!!!

No dishes, vacccuming, cooking, etc. You won't be physically capable for a while

anyway, but even when you start feeling better, it's too much on your body.

Good luck with your surgery. I hope all goes well for you. We are all here to

support you!

---

 

________________________________

From: D Chavez <chavezd@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:24:18 AM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

You're right, there's no need to battle.  You two are both very strong

people.  Anyhow, I'm told that I need to have a fusion of L5-S1.  The

neurosurgeon said that he will be going in through the back, as well as the

front.  Is this typical?  I'm sort of becoming skeptical of this whole

procedure now.  Also, I've heard people talk about taking bone from hip, or

something along those lines; however, the doc never stated anything like that. 

Lastly, once I would leave the hospital after 3-5 days, will I be able to " help

myself " and walk around house?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: " mc090909 (DOT) com " <mc090909 (DOT) com>

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:04:27 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Like I said everyone has their own opinion. I just don't like " battling " a

person andrea just because I made a suggestion. That's the point. We are all

here for some type of reason. Questions answers suggestions or to vent. Traci

needs to understand this and not be so negative to mine and others suggestions.

She may have six. Years as a spine nurse a six time canidate for spine surgery

kids and a fulltime job. So do others here. But one persons reccomendation is

not always correct all the time. How do I no that she is always correct with her

answers. Just because she's a spine nuse and she has so many years in her field

does not make her reccomendations right. That's why she shoild " suggest " certain

treatments pain medication to these membersm

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic 

> Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are 

> excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of 

> both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes 

> in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best 

> ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital 

> within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak 

> to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. 

> If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available 

> nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my 

> first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in 

> spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . 

> Which one should you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

Let me help you understand your surgery, I absolutely agree with your doc with

the anterior and posterior approach, and let me tell you why. The anterior/

posterior approach allows for the disk to be more thoroughly removed and  from

the front, a piece of cadaver bone or a small cage filled with bone can be

placed where the disk was. Look at a pic of the spine and note the access from

both the front and back. You cannot access the front of the dick from the back

of the body. The posterior approach is where the screws and rods will be placed

which will prevent movement in the spine while the bone in the front fuses with

the agacent vertebrae. Also, more bone and BMP may be placed here. Once the

fusion process occurs (about 1-2 yrs) the hardware serves no purpose, and in

some cases may need to be removed as it can cause pain in some people. The

reason your doc isn't taking bone from your hip is because that procedure is

being replaced by the use of BMP

(bone morphogenic protein). This is an amazing substance that causes rapid bone

growth and is just as good as your own bone, considering you don't have to

undergo the painful grafting process. You may want to research it online, the

BMP. This way of fusing has a mich higher success rate than anterior only or

posterior only, and use of the BMP will also increase your chances of a good

solid fusion. The biggest risk with fusion is non-union...and it happens. It

happened to me once.  One more thing you can do to greatly increase your

chances of successful fusion is to ask your surgeon about a bone stimulator.

This looks sort of like a tens unit and also has two electrodes that you place

over the fusion site. It sends impulses that you cannot feel to the bone and

causes mineralization that promotes healthy fusion. He may have this in mind for

you already. Most good spine surgeons will, if he already is using the

anterior/posterior approach and BMP, chances

are he knows his stuff.

Now, upon your return home, no, you will need help at home for some time. The

posterior part of the fusion is very painful, but all the work that the surgeon

did inside you can easily be disrupted by moving around and doing too much. The

more you try to do, the more pain you will experience. It's probably going to

take you months to feel better. It took 9 mos for me before I felt like I was on

the upswing. You should start some gently PT soon after surgery, this will

consist of non-range of motion exercizes and will forus on the core muscles and

getting them strong which will decrease your pain. Remember your core muscles

will be cut and aggressively pulled aside both from the front and back, so your

main souce of support is mush!.

 The more help you can get the better. The biggest piece of advice I can give

you for post-op...DO NOTHING!!!

No dishes, vacccuming, cooking, etc. You won't be physically capable for a while

anyway, but even when you start feeling better, it's too much on your body.

Good luck with your surgery. I hope all goes well for you. We are all here to

support you!

---

 

________________________________

From: D Chavez <chavezd@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:24:18 AM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

You're right, there's no need to battle.  You two are both very strong

people.  Anyhow, I'm told that I need to have a fusion of L5-S1.  The

neurosurgeon said that he will be going in through the back, as well as the

front.  Is this typical?  I'm sort of becoming skeptical of this whole

procedure now.  Also, I've heard people talk about taking bone from hip, or

something along those lines; however, the doc never stated anything like that. 

Lastly, once I would leave the hospital after 3-5 days, will I be able to " help

myself " and walk around house?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: " mc090909 (DOT) com " <mc090909 (DOT) com>

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:04:27 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Like I said everyone has their own opinion. I just don't like " battling " a

person andrea just because I made a suggestion. That's the point. We are all

here for some type of reason. Questions answers suggestions or to vent. Traci

needs to understand this and not be so negative to mine and others suggestions.

She may have six. Years as a spine nurse a six time canidate for spine surgery

kids and a fulltime job. So do others here. But one persons reccomendation is

not always correct all the time. How do I no that she is always correct with her

answers. Just because she's a spine nuse and she has so many years in her field

does not make her reccomendations right. That's why she shoild " suggest " certain

treatments pain medication to these membersm

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic 

> Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are 

> excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of 

> both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes 

> in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best 

> ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital 

> within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak 

> to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. 

> If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available 

> nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my 

> first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in 

> spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . 

> Which one should you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>