Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

[Guest guest]

I've had 2 ACF's..........anterior cervical fusions............where they

went in thru my " throat " and both were done by neuro's. It may have

something to do with rather or not you've got pinched or impinged nerves.

Not sure if ortho's are trained in that area.

Danny

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues..

The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon.. Which one should you go

to with neck issues?

Thanks

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DANNY

DID THAT SURGERY HURT YOUR VOCAL CHORDS? 

I AM A SINGER AND WORRY ABOUT THAT  ENTRANCE TO MY THROAT---

ANNIE

A poet is, after all, to see

From: The Village Idiot <dmj25@...>

Subject: RE: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

neck pain

Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 12:06 PM

I've had 2 ACF's..........anterior cervical fusions............where they

went in thru my " throat " and both were done by neuro's.  It may have

something to do with rather or not you've got pinched or impinged nerves.

Not sure if ortho's are trained in that area. 

Danny

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues..

The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon.. Which one should you go

to with neck issues?

Thanks

_________________________________________________________________

found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you.

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[Guest guest]

Did you have the surgery's several years apart?

neck pain

From: dmj25@...

Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:06:45 -0500

Subject: RE: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

I've had 2 ACF's..........anterior cervical fusions............where they

went in thru my " throat " and both were done by neuro's. It may have

something to do with rather or not you've got pinched or impinged nerves.

Not sure if ortho's are trained in that area.

Danny

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues..

The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon.. Which one should you go

to with neck issues?

Thanks

__________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

In our area, neurosurgeons do far more spine surgeries than orthos.

> spinal problems ;

neck pain

> From: ljorichardson0912@...

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:29:49 -0400

> Subject: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon.. Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC thatî–¸ right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent neuro's

and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go with

Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical if you ca

find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the

best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to

speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. If

you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available nurse in the OR.

good Luck!!!

---

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon.. Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

Thanks

_________________________________________________________________

found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

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[Guest guest]

Not at all.....only pain I had was when I came out of recovery the second

time. The sadistic anathesiologist...(who thought I had track marks

therefore a junkie since I was taking oxycontin) gave me about a quarter of

the amount of morphine called for. Of course there were no track marks but

the doc almost had a bullet wound a few days later....hehe. That's the only

pain I had. Of course now I'm supposed to have another one done but this

time he said they would have to go in from the back side which according to

him would be much more painful. I'm putting that off as long as possible.

Mine was off to the side of my throat... If my livelihood depended on my

vocal chords...I too would be apprehensive. Guess you just have to weigh

the risk/benefits. Good Luck!

_____

From: neck pain

[mailto:neck pain ] On Behalf Of Ann Wood Fuller

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:15 AM

neck pain

Subject: RE: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

DANNY

DID THAT SURGERY HURT YOUR VOCAL CHORDS?

I AM A SINGER AND WORRY ABOUT THAT ENTRANCE TO MY THROAT---

ANNIE

A poet is, after all, to see

From: The Village Idiot <dmj25comcast (DOT) <mailto:dmj25%40comcast.net> net>

Subject: RE: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

PainInTheNeck- <mailto:neck pain%40>

Back

Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 12:06 PM

I've had 2 ACF's..........anterior cervical fusions............where they

went in thru my " throat " and both were done by neuro's. It may have

something to do with rather or not you've got pinched or impinged nerves.

Not sure if ortho's are trained in that area.

Danny

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues..

The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon.. Which one should you go

to with neck issues?

Thanks

__________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

First one was 12/98 and the second was 10/01.

_____

From: neck pain

[mailto:neck pain ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:23 AM

neck pain

Subject: RE: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Did you have the surgery's several years apart?

PainInTheNeck- <mailto:neck pain%40>

Back

From: dmj25comcast (DOT) <mailto:dmj25%40comcast.net> net

Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:06:45 -0500

Subject: RE: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

I've had 2 ACF's..........anterior cervical fusions............where they

went in thru my " throat " and both were done by neuro's. It may have

something to do with rather or not you've got pinched or impinged nerves.

Not sure if ortho's are trained in that area.

Danny

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues..

The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon.. Which one should you go

to with neck issues?

Thanks

__________________________________________________________

found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you.

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[Guest guest]

" this time he said they would have to go in from the back side "

I'm sure our experience isn't typical, but please give this a lot of thought

and do the research before you consent... my husband had his second surgery

done from the back by a neurosurgeon and it took 3 surgeries to get the

muscles to reattach and he still has a huge " ditch " from the base of his

skull to mid shoulders after 3 years. He still struggles with daily muscle

and nerve pain and he has horrible amounts of scar tissue and adhesions.

~ Jan in Ohio

[Guest guest]

This is a good suggestion about asking a nurse for her opinion, but I do no

think you should make your decision based solely on a nurses suggestion. You

should always get 3-4 opinions (from a neurosurgeon or orthopedic surgeon)

before you make up your mind which one to use.

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Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent neuro's

and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go with

Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical if you ca

find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the

best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to

speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. If

you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available nurse in the OR.

good Luck!!!

---

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon.. Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

Thanks

_________________________________________________________________

found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

[Guest guest]

How do you know from an office visit with the doc if he is good surgically?

Technique wise? Makes good decisions in the OR? This is why I suggest this.

After years of being a spine surgical nurse as well as a six time surgical spine

patient...I have enough experience to recommend that. And insurance usually will

no pay for 3-4 opinions...it will depend on individual circumstances.

---

________________________________

From: " mc090909@... " <mc090909@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:41:15 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

This is a good suggestion about asking a nurse for her opinion, but I do no

think you should make your decision based solely on a nurses suggestion. You

should always get 3-4 opinions (from a neurosurgeon or orthopedic surgeon)

before you make up your mind which one to use.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent neuro's

and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go with

Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical if you ca

find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the

best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to

speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. If

you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available nurse in the OR.

good Luck!!!

---

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

Thanks

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

[Guest guest]

I think the neurosurgeon is a good surgeon but he asks like he has no time for

the patients. The 1st guy that did my surgery was a ortho surgeon and he was

good in both aspects. Good chairman of surgery here at the hospital I work at

and he also spent time with his patients.

spinal problems

From: tpowell1977@...

Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:52:43 -0700

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

How do you know from an office visit with the doc if he is good

surgically? Technique wise? Makes good decisions in the OR? This is why I

suggest this. After years of being a spine surgical nurse as well as a six time

surgical spine patient...I have enough experience to recommend that. And

insurance usually will no pay for 3-4 opinions...it will depend on individual

circumstances.

---

________________________________

From: " mc090909@... " <mc090909@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:41:15 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

This is a good suggestion about asking a nurse for her opinion, but I do no

think you should make your decision based solely on a nurses suggestion. You

should always get 3-4 opinions (from a neurosurgeon or orthopedic surgeon)

before you make up your mind which one to use.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent neuro's

and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go with

Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical if you ca

find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the

best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to

speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. If

you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available nurse in the OR.

good Luck!!!

---

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

Thanks

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

[Guest guest]

Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I stated in my

first email. You get to defensive when someone like myself makes a suggestion.

Why do you do that. You mght be very experienced in your background but you

should be open to other peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3

different doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my insurance

covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and friends which had

similar surgeries. As I stated again in my original email ( I would not base

my final decision solely on an 0R nurses recommendation) Everyone that has

joined this group has a right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent neuro's

and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go with

Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical if you ca

find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the

best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to

speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. If

you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available nurse in the OR.

good Luck!!!

---

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

Thanks

__________________________________________________________

found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

[Guest guest]

Again, some orthos are stuck up and so are some neuros, but in my experience

neuros have more of a God complex. Honestly it's more of a bone issue than a

nerve issue, even though there are nerves involved, orthos are experts of bone

healing and the whole fusion process. I have worked with them all and before I

did so I myself went to a neuro, I thought they'd be better...but that's not

necessarily so. I have had my last few surgeries done by an ortho/ Also, neuro

docs usually become thus because of their interest in brain surgery. Trust me,

youi do NOT want a brain surgeon operating on your back, even if they say they

specialize in both. You want someone who ONLY does spine.

---

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

Thanks

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

[Guest guest]

Again, some orthos are stuck up and so are some neuros, but in my experience

neuros have more of a God complex. Honestly it's more of a bone issue than a

nerve issue, even though there are nerves involved, orthos are experts of bone

healing and the whole fusion process. I have worked with them all and before I

did so I myself went to a neuro, I thought they'd be better...but that's not

necessarily so. I have had my last few surgeries done by an ortho/ Also, neuro

docs usually become thus because of their interest in brain surgery. Trust me,

youi do NOT want a brain surgeon operating on your back, even if they say they

specialize in both. You want someone who ONLY does spine.

---

Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

Thanks

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

[Guest guest]

One thing is for sure, personality has little to do with whether or not a doctor

is a capable practitioner. I had an osteotomy on my right knee and the guy who

performed it was a famous guy who also operates on the local professional

football team. He is so bad with people that his partners warn patients of his

complete lack of bedside manner. I used to make ridiculous jokes just to try and

make him laugh, with no luck. Hi is the best orthopedic in town however. When I

was an X-ray technician in another life, the two most revered neurosuregons in

the area were both complete arses.

> spinal problems

> From: ljorichardson0912@...

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:55:46 -0400

> Subject: RE: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> I think the neurosurgeon is a good surgeon but he asks like he has no time for

the patients. The 1st guy that did my surgery was a ortho surgeon and he was

good in both aspects. Good chairman of surgery here at the hospital I work at

and he also spent time with his patients.

>

>

>

> spinal problems

> From: tpowell1977@...

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:52:43 -0700

> Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

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>

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>

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>

>

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>

>

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>

> How do you know from an office visit with the doc if he is good surgically?

Technique wise? Makes good decisions in the OR? This is why I suggest this.

After years of being a spine surgical nurse as well as a six time surgical spine

patient...I have enough experience to recommend that. And insurance usually will

no pay for 3-4 opinions...it will depend on individual circumstances.

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: " mc090909@... " <mc090909@...>

>

> spinal problems

>

> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:41:15 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

>

> This is a good suggestion about asking a nurse for her opinion, but I do no

think you should make your decision based solely on a nurses suggestion. You

should always get 3-4 opinions (from a neurosurgeon or orthopedic surgeon)

before you make up your mind which one to use.

>

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

>

>

> Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent neuro's

and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go with

Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical if you ca

find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the

best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to

speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. If

you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available nurse in the OR.

good Luck!!!

>

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

>

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

>

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, I am an RN, with a masters degree who worked in the Operating Room..

There is more than one nurse here. I have worked with many neuro and

orthopedic surgeon. This all means nothing, except there is more than one nurse

in this forum.

DM

In a message dated 6/17/2009 5:55:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

mc090909@... writes:

Wow. Brag you do. I just hope that one of these members in this group that

takes one of your recommendations and then proceeds with your suggestion

and then something major goes wrong with it. Could be a lawsuit. Even in

cyberspace. I fail to mention that I am a practicing attorney for 22 years!

Everyone have a good night I'm tired of this subject matte

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent

neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go

with Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical

if you ca find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine

surgeon is call the best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the

Operating Room. Ask to speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who

she

would recommend. If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any

available nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine

issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should

you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>_______________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> _http://www.microsofhttp://www.michttp://wwhttp://wwwhttp://www_

(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290)

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree and , you seem to get into it with people here. Why is that? Are

you not open to other peoples suggestions and ideas? I'm just curious. You are a

strong and I'm guessing , a beautiful young woman that has faced adversity face

to face and kicked it in the balls and made your own way in life and I'm proud

to know you in the cyber world but I'm a little worried that you might have a

amall chip on your shoulder. I'm not being critical so don't get all defensive.

Listen to me. I'm an older woman who was very headstrong and I've learned to

accept and welcome other peoples ideas, suggestions in life whether I agree or

not I just thank them for them even taking the time to response. I've learned

this with age and experience. I think the world of you but I think you might to

rethink your opinion and responses. Take this as if I'm a big sister. Ever

though we are not related by blood, we are related in pain and suffering and I

think that brings us closer than blood as we know what the other is

experiencing. We are all brother and sisters, here. Well, except for husbands

and wives, lol. Take this gracefully, . It's not that hard to do and can be

very liberating from previous self convictions.

Love,

Cher in Wisconsin

>

> Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I stated in my

first email. You get to defensive when someone like myself makes a suggestion.

Why do you do that. You mght be very experienced in your background but you

should be open to other peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3

different doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my insurance

covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and friends which had

similar surgeries. As I stated again in my original email ( I would not base

my final decision solely on an 0R nurses recommendation) Everyone that has

joined this group has a right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

> Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent neuro's

and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go with

Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical if you ca

find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the

best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to

speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. If

you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available nurse in the OR.

good Luck!!!

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

Funny, my take on is quite different. What I read in her

recommendations are well-intended, helpful, no BS suggestions based on

her professional and personal experience. I don't perceive any

defensiveness. With all she has to do--three kids, a job, a husband--

I'm grateful that she still takes precious time to frame helpful

answers for each of us.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 4:21 PM, cheryle.timm wrote:

I agree and , you seem to get into it with people here. Why is

that? Are you not open to other peoples suggestions and ideas? I'm

just curious. You are a strong and I'm guessing , a beautiful young

woman that has faced adversity face to face and kicked it in the balls

and made your own way in life and I'm proud to know you in the cyber

world but I'm a little worried that you might have a amall chip on

your shoulder. I'm not being critical so don't get all defensive.

Listen to me. I'm an older woman who was very headstrong and I've

learned to accept and welcome other peoples ideas, suggestions in life

whether I agree or not I just thank them for them even taking the time

to response. I've learned this with age and experience. I think the

world of you but I think you might to rethink your opinion and

responses. Take this as if I'm a big sister. Ever though we are not

related by blood, we are related in pain and suffering and I think

that brings us closer than blood as we know what the other is

experiencing. We are all brother and sisters, here. Well, except for

husbands and wives, lol. Take this gracefully, . It's not that

hard to do and can be very liberating from previous self convictions.

Love,

Cher in Wisconsin

>

> Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I

> stated in my first email. You get to defensive when someone like

> myself makes a suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very

> experienced in your background but you should be open to other

> peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3 different

> doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my

> insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

> friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my

> original email ( I would not base my final decision solely on an 0R

> nurses recommendation) Everyone that has joined this group has a

> right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

> Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

> Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are

> excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of

> both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes

> in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best

> ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital

> within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak

> to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend.

> If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available

> nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> Which one should you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

Like I said everyone has their own opinion. I just don't like " battling " a

person andrea just because I made a suggestion. That's the point. We are all

here for some type of reason. Questions answers suggestions or to vent. Traci

needs to understand this and not be so negative to mine and others suggestions.

She may have six. Years as a spine nurse a six time canidate for spine surgery

kids and a fulltime job. So do others here. But one persons reccomendation is

not always correct all the time. How do I no that she is always correct with her

answers. Just because she's a spine nuse and she has so many years in her field

does not make her reccomendations right. That's why she shoild " suggest " certain

treatments pain medication to these membersm

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

> Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are

> excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of

> both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes

> in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best

> ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital

> within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak

> to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend.

> If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available

> nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> Which one should you go to with neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>__________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cheryle,

  I always take constructive criticism gracefully. I'm not so sensitive that I

can't hear what other people have to say. We all need people in our lives to

tell it like it is. My issue is that sometimes I am blunt, I almost always

respond to people with sensitivity, just having a rough day here at work.

The fact of the matter is simply that I (not to be boastful) have the experience

and expertise in this matter that no one else here does. I have the inside

information that no one hets unless they work side by side with spine surgeons,

like I have. It's not bragging at all...it is simply the way it is. I am mostly

here to encourage, support, but most importantly inform people...as I see

sometimes the biggest impediment in recovery is knowledge and understanding of

the system as well as the particular spine anaomalies.

  So...of course I am open to everyone's suggestions...I have been a member of

another spine group on for two years and my inside knowledge has been

highly regarded there, you can ask Deb as she is there too. Together Deb and I

have been able to share our inside knowledge to others and have been able to

make a true difference in the lives of those who suffer like us.  I have

learned very much from others who have experienced things I have not, and I have

been wrong at times and will freely admit so. I do not have a chip on my

shoulder, but like I said you all don't know me here very well and I can see how

you don't know that yet.

 So, why on earth does ANYONE think I was defensive? I have no reason to be. Of

course everyone has the right to their own opinions...but if you had a mole to

be removed, would you go to a heart surgeon or would you go to a dermatologist

or plasctic surgeon? It's the same thing. I am telling you all that, from my

years of experience and inside knowledge that you do not have...that the ONLY

way to know if a surgeon is good under the knife...which is where it counts...is

to ask the nurses who work with him. It doesn't matter one lick if you think

your surgeon is nice, it matters that they do what is right and with skill when

your body is oopen on the OR table. You can get all the second opinions you

want, but none of them will tell you who is a good surgeon. Most surgeons don't

even know who is good and who isn't...they don't operate together! They refer

you to their buddies. Nurses have nothing to gain or lose when they refer you. I

can give you examples

of what characteristics of a surgeon that no one but the nurse knows if you

like. It's fact...not opinion...that the ONLY way you will know if your doc is

good in the OR is to ask the nurses who work with him regularly. Also, other

people who have been operated on by a surgeon are not equipped to tell you if a

doc is good or not. They have no idea. The only thing they can attest to is if

the doc is nice or not. I'm telling you because before I worked in the OR, I

thought the same as you all do. And you think what you  think like the rest of

the world only because noone has given you the inside information. Well, here I

am giving it to you. Why? Because I am tired of watching people be screwed up by

docs who don't make good choices for the patient, you'd be surprised to know how

many spine docs make selfish choices in the OR. Leave without getting the job

done right simply because it's late and they want to go home, or just be

finished. Put unnecessary

implants in because it lines their pockets.Do they remove a screw that went in

crooked and do it all over again..or do they say " good enough " and close you up.

Can a patient or another doc even be able to tell you that? NO WAY! The ONLY

ones who know are the nurses who are there to witness it. What about the docs

who screw up but don't own up to it to tha patient? " Oh, it's just normal, or

it's just a side effect of having the surgery " when it was them who did

something wrong. This is why I say it as fact that, the ONLY way to know for

sure is ask a nurse.

My years of working alongside and assisting with these types of surgeries, with

some of the best surgeons in the world, watching, learing and asking questions.

Also with the six surgeries I have had and the countless things I have done to

help damper the pain or live life. So, much of what I tell you on here is not my

opinopn, it is truths that I have learned over the years with close contact and

inside infoprmation.

I'm sorry you feel I got defensive. Plus, in the other group, people listen to

ma and value what I say as they know I have the info that most people never get

to learn for themselves. The info that gets thema  better experience.

---

________________________________

From: cheryle.timm <no_reply >

spinal problems

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:21:01 PM

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

I agree and , you seem to get into it with people here. Why is that? Are

you not open to other peoples suggestions and ideas? I'm just curious. You are a

strong and I'm guessing , a beautiful young woman that has faced adversity face

to face and kicked it in the balls and made your own way in life and I'm proud

to know you in the cyber world but I'm a little worried that you might have a

amall chip on your shoulder. I'm not being critical so don't get all defensive.

Listen to me. I'm an older woman who was very headstrong and I've learned to

accept and welcome other peoples ideas, suggestions in life whether I agree or

not I just thank them for them even taking the time to response. I've learned

this with age and experience. I think the world of you but I think you might to

rethink your opinion and responses. Take this as if I'm a big sister. Ever

though we are not related by blood, we are related in pain and suffering and I

think that brings us

closer than blood as we know what the other is experiencing. We are all brother

and sisters, here. Well, except for husbands and wives, lol. Take this

gracefully, . It's not that hard to do and can be very liberating from

previous self convictions.

Love,

Cher in Wisconsin

>

> Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I stated in my

first email. You get to defensive when someone like myself makes a suggestion.

Why do you do that. You mght be very experienced in your background but you

should be open to other peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3

different doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my insurance

covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and friends which had

similar surgeries. As I stated again in my original email ( I would not base my

final decision solely on an 0R nurses recommendation) Everyone that has joined

this group has a right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

> Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent neuro's

and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go with

Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical if you ca

find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the

best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to

speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. If

you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available nurse in the OR.

good Luck!!!

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. Brag you do. I just hope that one of these members in this group that takes

one of your recommendations and then proceeds with your suggestion and then

something major goes wrong with it. Could be a lawsuit. Even in cyberspace. I

fail to mention that I am a practicing attorney for 22 years! Everyone have a

good night I'm tired of this subject matte

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

>

> That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent neuro's

and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go with

Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical if you ca

find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the

best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to

speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. If

you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available nurse in the OR.

good Luck!!!

> ---

>

>

>

> Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

>

>

> Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>__________________________________________________________

> found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

>

>

[Guest guest]

We know how well you regard , . It's evident in your messages along

with telling her she should write a book after I was suggested by another member

that I should write one. I will tell the difference between us. I will write a

book on my life and it's experiences and can write a book her life and

experiences as well as writing a book on spinal surgery, doctors, ect...from a

well trained nurses point of view. No one is questoning her integrity just some

of the responses. Don't feel you have to defend her here as no one is attacking

her. We were just posing legitimate questions.

Love,

Cheryle in Wisconsin

> >

> > Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I

> > stated in my first email. You get to defensive when someone like

> > myself makes a suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very

> > experienced in your background but you should be open to other

> > peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3 different

> > doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my

> > insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

> > friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my

> > original email ( I would not base my final decision solely on an 0R

> > nurses recommendation) Everyone that has joined this group has a

> > right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> >

> > Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

> > Surgeon

> >

> >

> >

> > That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are

> > excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of

> > both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes

> > in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best

> > ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital

> > within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak

> > to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend.

> > If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available

> > nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> > ---

> >

> >

> >

> > Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> >

> >

> > Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> > first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> > spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> > Which one should you go to with neck issues?

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________________

> > found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

its ashame but im dropping this groupl;  i dont like all this one sided

stuff.  not worth my time when there are other groups where one person thinks

that he/she has all the answers due to their background and continues to brag

about it all the time.  its beenj fun.  bye

From: cheryle.timm <no_reply >

Subject: Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

spinal problems

Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 2:18 PM

We know how well you regard , . It's evident in your messages along

with telling her she should write a book after I was suggested by another member

that I should write one. I will tell the difference between us. I will write a

book on my life and it's experiences and can write a book her life and

experiences as well as writing a book on spinal surgery, doctors, ect...from a

well trained nurses point of view. No one is questoning her integrity just some

of the responses. Don't feel you have to defend her here as no one is attacking

her. We were just posing legitimate questions..

Love,

Cheryle in Wisconsin

> >

> > Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I

> > stated in my first email. You get to defensive when someone like

> > myself makes a suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very

> > experienced in your background but you should be open to other

> > peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3 different

> > doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my

> > insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

> > friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my

> > original email ( I would not base my final decision solely on an 0R

> > nurses recommendation) Everyone that has joined this group has a

> > right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> >

> > Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

> > Surgeon

> >

> >

> >

> > That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are

> > excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of

> > both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes

> > in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best

> > ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital

> > within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak

> > to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend.

> > If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available

> > nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> > ---

> >

> >

> >

> > Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> >

> >

> > Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> > first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> > spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> > Which one should you go to with neck issues?

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> > http://www.microsof t.com/windows/ choosepc/ ?ocid=ftp_ val_wl_290

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I believe she has told of the pain meds and she advocated Ultram which

ablolutely doesn't work me or others. Everyone is different and not everyone

responds the same. I would love to get away from narcotics but for me they are

the only thing that works and I'm happy to go with that. I will not have a pain

pump put in my back or any tens bullshit as they have not worked. I've tried a

lot and am tired of the invasive needles in my spine. Honestly, I'd rather just

cut to the chase and have the sugery if a mileogram says that I'm in need of it.

That is one diagnostic procedure that has always worked for me and I will always

trust it's out come.

Love,

Cher in Wisconsin

> >

> > Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I

> > stated in my first email. You get to defensive when someone like

> > myself makes a suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very

> > experienced in your background but you should be open to other

> > peoples suggestions or opinions also. I interviewed 3 different

> > doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky that my

> > insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

> > friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my

> > original email ( I would not base my final decision solely on an 0R

> > nurses recommendation) Everyone that has joined this group has a

> > right to agree oir disagree with someone suggestion.

> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> >

> > Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic

> > Surgeon

> >

> >

> >

> > That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are

> > excellent neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of

> > both. I would likely go with Ortho, but only someone who specializes

> > in spine, preferably cervical if you ca find one. One of the best

> > ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call the best hospital

> > within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to speak

> > to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend.

> > If you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available

> > nurse in the OR. good Luck!!!

> > ---

> >

> >

> >

> > Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> >

> >

> > Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my

> > first cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in

> > spine issues.. The 2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. .

> > Which one should you go to with neck issues?

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >__________________________________________________________

> > found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Oh my! I have nothing further!

> >

> > Well said tracy and no one is disputing your recommendation. As I stated in

my first email. You get to defensive when someone like myself makes a

suggestion. Why do you do that. You mght be very experienced in your background

but you should be open to other peoples suggestions or opinions also. I

interviewed 3 different doctors before making my final decision. I was lucky

that my insurance covered it. I also got some referrals from co workers and

friends which had similar surgeries. As I stated again in my original email ( I

would not base my final decision solely on an 0R nurses recommendation) Everyone

that has joined this group has a right to agree oir disagree with someone

suggestion.

> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> >

> > Re: Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> >

> >

> >

> > That's a hard call, either one can do a fine job. There are excellent

neuro's and ortho's and there are not so excellent of both. I would likely go

with Ortho, but only someone who specializes in spine, preferably cervical if

you ca find one. One of the best ways to find an excellent spine surgeon is call

the best hospital within an hours's drive and ask for the Operating Room. Ask to

speak to a nurse who does spine cases and ask HER who she would recommend. If

you can't speak to one of them, ask to speak with any available nurse in the OR.

good Luck!!!

> > ---

> >

> >

> >

> > Neurosurgeon or Orthopedic Surgeon

> >

> >

> > Which should you go to for neck/back issue? The surgeon that did my first

cervical fusion was an orthopedic surgeon that specializes in spine issues.. The

2nd neck surgery I had was by a neurosurgeon. . Which one should you go to with

neck issues?

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >__________________________________________________________

> > found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.

> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

> >

> >