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Dang cheryle. You need to write a book or become some type of motivational

speaker. I'm not being sarcastic. I think living with my 75 year old mother is

bad after recuperating from a total thyrodectomy stage 1 cancer a c567 fusion

all within the past 1 1/2 months. God bless u!

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SO angry about my surgical report.

> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> >

> > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed doctors

> > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded on

> > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than he

> > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I think

> > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding of his

> > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the crap

> > that was going on.

> >

> > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This seemed

> > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who isn't

> > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of this

> > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me when

> > I say I hurt 24/7.

> >

> > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> >

> > Jane iN TN

> >

> >

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self determination can save lives when put in the right direction. I too had an

abusive husband. I became a single mom of three kids under the age of 5 at the

ripe age of 24 when I left said abusive husband. Self determinatin saved me

there. I then had no way to support my kids so I put myself through college

while homeless, had no money for books and didn't have a car most of the time.

but I never missed a class and I got all A's. Self-determination. I worked for 5

years to get back custody of my three kids from the abusive husband which he got

after I was evicted from my tiny apartment, before I went to college. I have

never known a pain free life since I was 15 years old. I held on to my job at

big time Boston Hospital until I put myself in the ER twice after my body

started malfunctioning due to the extreme pain and lack of sleep from pain. My

body was unable to handle the extreme pain that I endured, so I started my leave

two weeks before my surgery

date for a re-do fusion. I still struggled with pain every day, even at my two

days a week sedentary job, until a got up off my ass and forced myself to lose

10 pounds, and I went to a great PT who has been very slowly and carefully

making me stronger. The stronger I get, the less pain I have. But she is the

first PT Ive ever had who seemed to 'get' my body. The core weakness in someone

like us is phenomenal. Extreme care needs to be taken, but the things we did to

get me stronger can be done by anyone, regardless of your pain level or curr nt

condition, even if you're currently incapacitated. You just have to start small,

but it is crucial that you do the exercizes at home like you want it! Assess how

you are doing and add a few more reps between visits and push yourself...but not

too hard! I'm telling you, I have experienced it firsthand. Now I feel no pain

at all 95% of the time, and when I do it's more discomfort than pain. I am now

taking a

full-time job...I've come full-circle to a place I never thought I'd see again.

Seemed impossible, thought I was doomed!!! But I did it...with a LOT of self

determination.

--- in RI

________________________________

From: cheryle.timm <no_reply >

spinal problems

Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:31:55 PM

Subject: Re: SO angry about my surgical report.

I've tried everything, when I was first injured, to avoid medication and

orthopedics all together. I went to a chiropracter for about 8 months. She

adjusted my lumbar and cracked my lumbar and neck. Then she did heat and

stimulation after the adjustment. I was on glucosamine/ chondroitin, ibuprofen,

Aleve, Doans back pills, (what a joke). I was injured in '92. I didn't get to a

orthopedic doctor until '94. You see, I was a single mother of two children and

no one was going to support them but me. I worked two more years after the

injury. 12 hour days, three days a week. I was a process tech (glorified

inspector) and pulled production, weighed production, boxed it up and stacked it

all on a skid until full, sat at a microscope and verified acceptable

production. Every half hour this all had to be done while keeping up with 4

plastic injection molding machines as well as documenting every procedure

accurately. In doing so, for the next two years I did so

much damage to my sciatic nerve, that I started losing the feeling in my right

leg, from the knee down. When I finally got to a ortho doctor, he ordered a

myelogram and came into the hospital room later that night and told me I had the

largest herniated discs at L5 and S1 that he's ever seen in his practice. Holy

Jebus! I had workmens comp trying to call me a liar. I said to Dr. Gross (that's

his name, really) " so I'm not full of sh*t " ? He said " maybe you are but not aout

this " ! I was in surgery within 2 weeks. I had to an autologous blood donation or

I would have been in surgery right away. After I came out of surgery, I was

completely numb from the hip down from releasing presure which he told me that

my right leg flopped around to the or table. Hmm, attractive picture. With time,

physical therapy and some good old self determination I got the feeling back

down to the knee. That was just the first surgery. The second one was fusion

with wire, bone and

collegen and an implanted stimulator. That failed as my body reabsorbed the

bone. He didn't do anterior and fusions at the time so, I was sent to a

specialist who did. He didn't believe that I could be in so much pain and still

sit upright, talk, carry on somewhat normal activities. What ever that is. So he

ordered a lumbar discogram. The most horrendous pain I have ever felt.

Especially when the doctor administering it, got to S1. It felt like lightning

had shot down my leg. I begged him to stop. He made me hold on for a few seconds

more. I didn't cry a lot back then but I did that day. I did the ct scan and the

x-rays. Went back to Dr. Zindrick a week later. He asked me what I felt. I told

him the others were bearable but not S1. He slapped the film onto the light and

he said " because there's no S1. The disc is gone " . I was scheduled for surgery

in two weeks.. No more feeling in my right leg from the knee down. Ever. I'm

still trying to figure out

where S1 went. Maybe it stepped out for ice cream and forgot to come back. All

in all I had three surgeries in '94, '95 and '96 and physical therapy for 5

years. I went back to work. Even tried to do the same job. My doctor said in all

likelihood, I'd probably be able to maybe get in 4 hours. If I'm lucky. I

switched to a less physical demanding job. Administrative assistant to 4

department heads. No bodies, just talking heads. I worked 9 hours a day. In '01

my left shoulder and the left side of my neck started to have severe pain. I

worked 6 more months until I finally went back to Dr. Gross and he ordered a

myleogram. C5 and C6 were herniated. The same procedures, again. Steroid shots,

yedda, yedda, yedda. Finaly that all led to surgery and fusion of C5/C6. Took

care of the pain and I returned to work and failed miserably. Had to cash in my

chips and file for SSD. It took me 5 years, being turned down 5 times and

finally getting a lawyer and literally

being homeless, sleeping in church basements through PADS. Public Action To

Deliver Shelter. I was to determined not to ask for help from family. Through

PADS I was given help with meds, rides to appointments, etc. I moved into the

shelter for a month after being on the streets for a month and a half. Until a

girlfriend of mine found out and demanded I stay with her and her family. Not

mentioning I had a newer husband at the time whose only job was to kick the crap

out of me and try to break my neck after surgery, every chance he got. Through

self determination, help from my family and a wonderful friend I got off the

streets, got away from my wasband and finally got my SSD after 5 years of going

thorough Hell to get it. I may not be rich but my kids, family and friends are

healthy and happy and I am going to a wonderful pain management clinic. I am the

richest woman in the world. I don't ever worry about the woulda, coulda, or

shoulda's, I just worry

about the what I'm gonna do's. I've learned that self determination can cause

just as much harm as good if you don't get the help you need. Whether it be

mental, physical or financial. If you don't ask for help sometimes self

determination can lead to self destruction but that's just my opinion. I could

be wrong.

Cheryle

Beloit, Wisconsin

> >

> > From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> > Subject: SO angry about my surgical report.

> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> >

> > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed doctors

> > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded on

> > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than he

> > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I think

> > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding of his

> > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the crap

> > that was going on.

> >

> > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This seemed

> > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who isn't

> > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of this

> > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me when

> > I say I hurt 24/7.

> >

> > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> >

> > Jane iN TN

> >

> >

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,

You embody true grit. I admire you enormously. And you're so

knowledgeable and write extremely well. Don't ever stop helping and

being honest with those who still suffer. Have you thought of writing

a book?

On Jun 12, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Babbitt wrote:

self determination can save lives when put in the right direction. I

too had an abusive husband. I became a single mom of three kids under

the age of 5 at the ripe age of 24 when I left said abusive husband.

Self determinatin saved me there. I then had no way to support my kids

so I put myself through college while homeless, had no money for books

and didn't have a car most of the time. but I never missed a class and

I got all A's. Self-determination. I worked for 5 years to get back

custody of my three kids from the abusive husband which he got after I

was evicted from my tiny apartment, before I went to college. I have

never known a pain free life since I was 15 years old. I held on to my

job at big time Boston Hospital until I put myself in the ER twice

after my body started malfunctioning due to the extreme pain and lack

of sleep from pain. My body was unable to handle the extreme pain that

I endured, so I started my leave two weeks before my surgery

date for a re-do fusion. I still struggled with pain every day, even

at my two days a week sedentary job, until a got up off my ass and

forced myself to lose 10 pounds, and I went to a great PT who has been

very slowly and carefully making me stronger. The stronger I get, the

less pain I have. But she is the first PT Ive ever had who seemed to

'get' my body. The core weakness in someone like us is phenomenal.

Extreme care needs to be taken, but the things we did to get me

stronger can be done by anyone, regardless of your pain level or curr

nt condition, even if you're currently incapacitated. You just have to

start small, but it is crucial that you do the exercizes at home like

you want it! Assess how you are doing and add a few more reps between

visits and push yourself...but not too hard! I'm telling you, I have

experienced it firsthand. Now I feel no pain at all 95% of the time,

and when I do it's more discomfort than pain. I am now taking a

full-time job...I've come full-circle to a place I never thought I'd

see again. Seemed impossible, thought I was doomed!!! But I did

it...with a LOT of self determination.

--- in RI

________________________________

From: cheryle.timm <no_reply >

spinal problems

Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:31:55 PM

Subject: Re: SO angry about my surgical

report.

I've tried everything, when I was first injured, to avoid medication

and orthopedics all together. I went to a chiropracter for about 8

months. She adjusted my lumbar and cracked my lumbar and neck. Then

she did heat and stimulation after the adjustment. I was on

glucosamine/ chondroitin, ibuprofen, Aleve, Doans back pills, (what a

joke). I was injured in '92. I didn't get to a orthopedic doctor until

'94. You see, I was a single mother of two children and no one was

going to support them but me. I worked two more years after the

injury. 12 hour days, three days a week. I was a process tech

(glorified inspector) and pulled production, weighed production, boxed

it up and stacked it all on a skid until full, sat at a microscope and

verified acceptable production. Every half hour this all had to be

done while keeping up with 4 plastic injection molding machines as

well as documenting every procedure accurately. In doing so, for the

next two years I did so

much damage to my sciatic nerve, that I started losing the feeling in

my right leg, from the knee down. When I finally got to a ortho

doctor, he ordered a myelogram and came into the hospital room later

that night and told me I had the largest herniated discs at L5 and S1

that he's ever seen in his practice. Holy Jebus! I had workmens comp

trying to call me a liar. I said to Dr. Gross (that's his name,

really) " so I'm not full of sh*t " ? He said " maybe you are but not aout

this " ! I was in surgery within 2 weeks. I had to an autologous blood

donation or I would have been in surgery right away. After I came out

of surgery, I was completely numb from the hip down from releasing

presure which he told me that my right leg flopped around to the or

table. Hmm, attractive picture. With time, physical therapy and some

good old self determination I got the feeling back down to the knee.

That was just the first surgery. The second one was fusion with wire,

bone and

collegen and an implanted stimulator. That failed as my body

reabsorbed the bone. He didn't do anterior and fusions at the time so,

I was sent to a specialist who did. He didn't believe that I could be

in so much pain and still sit upright, talk, carry on somewhat normal

activities. What ever that is. So he ordered a lumbar discogram. The

most horrendous pain I have ever felt. Especially when the doctor

administering it, got to S1. It felt like lightning had shot down my

leg. I begged him to stop. He made me hold on for a few seconds more.

I didn't cry a lot back then but I did that day. I did the ct scan and

the x-rays. Went back to Dr. Zindrick a week later. He asked me what I

felt. I told him the others were bearable but not S1. He slapped the

film onto the light and he said " because there's no S1. The disc is

gone " . I was scheduled for surgery in two weeks.. No more feeling in

my right leg from the knee down. Ever. I'm still trying to figure out

where S1 went. Maybe it stepped out for ice cream and forgot to come

back. All in all I had three surgeries in '94, '95 and '96 and

physical therapy for 5 years. I went back to work. Even tried to do

the same job. My doctor said in all likelihood, I'd probably be able

to maybe get in 4 hours. If I'm lucky. I switched to a less physical

demanding job. Administrative assistant to 4 department heads. No

bodies, just talking heads. I worked 9 hours a day. In '01 my left

shoulder and the left side of my neck started to have severe pain. I

worked 6 more months until I finally went back to Dr. Gross and he

ordered a myleogram. C5 and C6 were herniated. The same procedures,

again. Steroid shots, yedda, yedda, yedda. Finaly that all led to

surgery and fusion of C5/C6. Took care of the pain and I returned to

work and failed miserably. Had to cash in my chips and file for SSD.

It took me 5 years, being turned down 5 times and finally getting a

lawyer and literally

being homeless, sleeping in church basements through PADS. Public

Action To Deliver Shelter. I was to determined not to ask for help

from family. Through PADS I was given help with meds, rides to

appointments, etc. I moved into the shelter for a month after being on

the streets for a month and a half. Until a girlfriend of mine found

out and demanded I stay with her and her family. Not mentioning I had

a newer husband at the time whose only job was to kick the crap out of

me and try to break my neck after surgery, every chance he got.

Through self determination, help from my family and a wonderful friend

I got off the streets, got away from my wasband and finally got my SSD

after 5 years of going thorough Hell to get it. I may not be rich but

my kids, family and friends are healthy and happy and I am going to a

wonderful pain management clinic. I am the richest woman in the world.

I don't ever worry about the woulda, coulda, or shoulda's, I just worry

about the what I'm gonna do's. I've learned that self determination

can cause just as much harm as good if you don't get the help you

need. Whether it be mental, physical or financial. If you don't ask

for help sometimes self determination can lead to self destruction but

that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Cheryle

Beloit, Wisconsin

>>

>> From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

>> Subject: SO angry about my surgical

>> report.

>> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

>> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

>>

>> I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

>> doctors

>> after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that

>> he

>> finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has

>> expounded on

>> the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work

>> than he

>> would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra

>> assistants. I think

>> probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra

>> padding of his

>> bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary

>> negativity

>> toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all

>> the crap

>> that was going on.

>>

>> I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

>> seemed

>> unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher

>> who isn't

>> very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

>> this

>> dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes

>> me when

>> I say I hurt 24/7.

>>

>> Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

>>

>> Jane iN TN

>>

>>

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I don't think food is always the cause of being overweight. I'm 5'8 " and 143

lbs. I, in one week, went up to 151 lbs from being on gabapentin. I was back to

the original weight when I stopped it. I gained a lot of water weight due to

retention. I eat when I'm hungry, don't eat when I'm not. Steroids and heart

meds are a culprit, too. My best friend is 5'0 " and 220 lbs. She has severe

rheumatoid and was diagnosed with it while she was only 115 lbs. She had a

quadruple bypass in '07 so she takes a lot of meds a day and has an infusion

intraveinously once a month. She takes 20+ pills and twice a day she takes

steriods and three times a day she takes gabapentin. She eats like a bird.

Seriously. She has tried to push herself to walk and ended up falling and

breaking her foot in two places last 4th of July. The bones in her knees are

dying and she has to use a wheel chair now. It's driving her crazy. She's so

independant and can't just come and go as much as she likes. It's viturally

impossible for her to lose weight no matter how hard she tries. I see her try

and try and even though she can't lose the weight she is funny (ha ha) and keeps

her sense of humor about her. That's why we get along so well. Her heart and her

rheumatiod treatments are more important than being at less weight.

> >>

> >> From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> >> Subject: SO angry about my surgical

> >> report.

> >> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> >> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> >>

> >> I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

> >> doctors

> >> after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that

> >> he

> >> finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has

> >> expounded on

> >> the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work

> >> than he

> >> would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra

> >> assistants. I think

> >> probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra

> >> padding of his

> >> bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary

> >> negativity

> >> toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all

> >> the crap

> >> that was going on.

> >>

> >> I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

> >> seemed

> >> unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher

> >> who isn't

> >> very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

> >> this

> >> dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes

> >> me when

> >> I say I hurt 24/7.

> >>

> >> Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> >>

> >> Jane iN TN

> >>

> >>

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Well, thanks Mc090909. I appreciate that. People do need positive words when it

comes to sensitive issues. I've been fat (come on, we're all thinking it) and

I've been thin. I'm average now and it does feel better for me. What's good for

me may not be so good or even acheivable for others. That is a simple truth. I

truly believe that I must keep an open mind and a big sense of humor. I'm not

perfect, either. I think it's our imperfections that make us interesting. I have

an addiction. I'm addicted to Good & Plenty. Yep, Choo Choo Charlie's candy. I

don't know why but I love it. Maybe it's the fact that I take medication that

causes me to have a dry mouth. Maybe because pain meds might cause me to crave

sweets. Not sure of why but I gotta have 'em! I haven't mortgaged my home in

order to but them but I have my daughter pick them up on her way home from work.

Have a great night, hun!

> > >

> > > From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> > > Subject: SO angry about my surgical report.

> > > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> > >

> > > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed doctors

> > > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> > > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded on

> > > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than he

> > > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

think

> > > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding of

his

> > > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> > > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

crap

> > > that was going on.

> > >

> > > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This seemed

> > > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

isn't

> > > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of this

> > > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

when

> > > I say I hurt 24/7.

> > >

> > > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> > >

> > > Jane iN TN

> > >

> > >

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See , that's what I'm talking about. You did it. I did it. I may have taken

a few " bumpy roads " to get there but damn it, I got there or here which is where

I am now. LOL I have to ask this. Do you laugh? Do you laugh at yourself? Can

you find the humor in otherwise difficult situations? Now, don't get me wrong, I

know when it's time to be serious and am not a complete joker but that is how I

choose to get through times when things are difficule or pain is weighing me

down. Life is too short and as I'm sure you know being a nurse. I was a cop for

Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. I had a 4.0 in my criminal justice college courses and

won a scholarship for criminal justice and industrial security. Lake Geneva was

where I did my internship. I carried a .357 S & W and had to demand and earn the

respect from the whole department which was all male except for a woman

detective which was where I was going to head for, next. My family had a summer

cottage in the neighboring town so it was convenient for me to do it there. I

didn't have to find a place to live. It was a life changing experience, I tell

you. This was in '82 when women were frowned upon for being in such a male

dominated profession. It also made me realize that women have to work extra hard

to obtain the kind of professon they choose. Now, I could never be a nurse. That

is a job you couldn't pay me enough to do. So, my hat's off to you for your

strength and preseverance. I learned that life can be lost in seconds. I learned

that there are jobs that some people are just meant to do. I could carry a gun

but not a needle. I've held an elderly gentlemans hand while he lay dying but

don't know if I could do that on a daily basis. It made me question a lot of

things in my life but never my integrity. I found that after doing it and I

couldn't get hired to save my life I had to ask myself if I really wanted to do

it. The answer was no. The tragic accident that left an 18 y/o young man dead

and having to hear his mother scream made me realize that I never wanted to hear

that ever again. I moved on. To the factory where eventually I injured my back.

I tried to keep working but I can't with my pain. Even part time, 20 hs. a week.

I have new problems that I have to deal with that keep coming back in different

places. I give you credit for remaining at your job pain and all. I have done pt

for many years and have learned exercises I can do at home as well as walk every

day. I keep as active as possible. I also lost 50 lbs. last year. I did it for

me and for how I felt with less weight. d

> > >

> > > From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> > > Subject: SO angry about my surgical report.

> > > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> > >

> > > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed doctors

> > > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> > > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded on

> > > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than he

> > > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

think

> > > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding of

his

> > > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> > > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

crap

> > > that was going on.

> > >

> > > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This seemed

> > > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

isn't

> > > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of this

> > > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

when

> > > I say I hurt 24/7.

> > >

> > > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> > >

> > > Jane iN TN

> > >

> > >

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Are u sure that your are cheryle timm and not one of the ladys from cagney and

lacey? Sorry to interrupt I have a dry sense of humor and I'm sick of sleeping

in a reclyner

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SO angry about my surgical report.

> > > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> > >

> > > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed doctors

> > > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> > > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded on

> > > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than he

> > > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

think

> > > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding of

his

> > > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> > > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

crap

> > > that was going on.

> > >

> > > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This seemed

> > > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

isn't

> > > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of this

> > > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

when

> > > I say I hurt 24/7.

> > >

> > > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> > >

> > > Jane iN TN

> > >

> > >

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I did acupuncture ad it didn't help. Deb, why were you in a wheelchair? The

statement I made about people eating wasn't to imply that people eat because of

the pain but rather that they may become over eaters from depression that can be

associated with pain. I've been one of those people. I got very depressed and

did eat a lot. I was 193 lbs. in May or '08. It took me 8 months to get down to

where I felt comfortable. My goal is 135 lbs.

Cheryle, WI

> >> >

> >> > From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> >> > Subject: SO angry about my surgical report.

> >> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> >> > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> >> >

> >> > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

> >> > doctors

> >> > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> >> > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded

> >> > on

> >> > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than

> >> > he

> >> > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

> >> > think

> >> > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding

> >> > of his

> >> > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> >> > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

> >> > crap

> >> > that was going on.

> >> >

> >> > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

> >> > seemed

> >> > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

> >> > isn't

> >> > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

> >> > this

> >> > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

> >> > when

> >> > I say I hurt 24/7.

> >> >

> >> > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> >> >

> >> > Jane iN TN

> >> >

> >> >

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Hey Cheryle.

My hubby's a cop...TRUST ME...they still frown on women being cops...it's tough

on them. There are three in my hubby's department. Anyway...Laughing...you

bet!!!!! That's how I cope. And since I have seen a lot and been through a lot,

I tend to see the positive things in all situations. I laugh and am very silly.

I have actully told people in pain to make sure they laugh at least five times a

day. Watch comedy shows if you can't find something to laugh at. Laughter IS the

best med!

Congratulations on your tremendous weight loss. Even ten pounds is hard!

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Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:11:29 PM

Subject: Re: SO angry about my surgical report.

See , that's what I'm talking about. You did it. I did it. I may have taken

a few " bumpy roads " to get there but damn it, I got there or here which is where

I am now. LOL I have to ask this. Do you laugh? Do you laugh at yourself? Can

you find the humor in otherwise difficult situations? Now, don't get me wrong, I

know when it's time to be serious and am not a complete joker but that is how I

choose to get through times when things are difficule or pain is weighing me

down. Life is too short and as I'm sure you know being a nurse. I was a cop for

Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. I had a 4.0 in my criminal justice college courses and

won a scholarship for criminal justice and industrial security. Lake Geneva was

where I did my internship. I carried a .357 S & W and had to demand and earn the

respect from the whole department which was all male except for a woman

detective which was where I was going to head for, next. My family had a summer

cottage in the

neighboring town so it was convenient for me to do it there. I didn't have to

find a place to live. It was a life changing experience, I tell you. This was in

'82 when women were frowned upon for being in such a male dominated profession.

It also made me realize that women have to work extra hard to obtain the kind of

professon they choose. Now, I could never be a nurse. That is a job you couldn't

pay me enough to do. So, my hat's off to you for your strength and preseverance.

I learned that life can be lost in seconds. I learned that there are jobs that

some people are just meant to do. I could carry a gun but not a needle. I've

held an elderly gentlemans hand while he lay dying but don't know if I could do

that on a daily basis. It made me question a lot of things in my life but never

my integrity. I found that after doing it and I couldn't get hired to save my

life I had to ask myself if I really wanted to do it. The answer was no. The

tragic

accident that left an 18 y/o young man dead and having to hear his mother

scream made me realize that I never wanted to hear that ever again. I moved on.

To the factory where eventually I injured my back. I tried to keep working but I

can't with my pain. Even part time, 20 hs. a week. I have new problems that I

have to deal with that keep coming back in different places. I give you credit

for remaining at your job pain and all. I have done pt for many years and have

learned exercises I can do at home as well as walk every day. I keep as active

as possible. I also lost 50 lbs. last year. I did it for me and for how I felt

with less weight. d

> > >

> > > From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> > > Subject: SO angry about my surgical report.

> > > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> > >

> > > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed doctors

> > > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> > > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded on

> > > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than he

> > > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

think

> > > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding of

his

> > > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> > > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

crap

> > > that was going on.

> > >

> > > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This seemed

> > > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

isn't

> > > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of this

> > > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

when

> > > I say I hurt 24/7.

> > >

> > > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> > >

> > > Jane iN TN

> > >

> > >

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Thank you . I had thought of writing a book, but honestly I wouldn't know

how or where to start! And yes, I do tend to see myself as 'true grit'.My

husband calls me a " firecracker " . I know some people have more of a rebellious

or strong personality, so it may be easier for them to achieve than those who

don't have much inner strength. But I don't believe anything is impossible...if

you work for it. ---

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From: andrea dean <aodean@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:22:35 PM

Subject: Re: SO angry about my surgical report.

,

You embody true grit. I admire you enormously. And you're so

knowledgeable and write extremely well. Don't ever stop helping and

being honest with those who still suffer. Have you thought of writing

a book?

On Jun 12, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Babbitt wrote:

self determination can save lives when put in the right direction. I

too had an abusive husband. I became a single mom of three kids under

the age of 5 at the ripe age of 24 when I left said abusive husband.

Self determinatin saved me there. I then had no way to support my kids

so I put myself through college while homeless, had no money for books

and didn't have a car most of the time. but I never missed a class and

I got all A's. Self-determination. I worked for 5 years to get back

custody of my three kids from the abusive husband which he got after I

was evicted from my tiny apartment, before I went to college. I have

never known a pain free life since I was 15 years old. I held on to my

job at big time Boston Hospital until I put myself in the ER twice

after my body started malfunctioning due to the extreme pain and lack

of sleep from pain. My body was unable to handle the extreme pain that

I endured, so I started my leave two weeks before my surgery

date for a re-do fusion. I still struggled with pain every day, even

at my two days a week sedentary job, until a got up off my ass and

forced myself to lose 10 pounds, and I went to a great PT who has been

very slowly and carefully making me stronger. The stronger I get, the

less pain I have. But she is the first PT Ive ever had who seemed to

'get' my body. The core weakness in someone like us is phenomenal.

Extreme care needs to be taken, but the things we did to get me

stronger can be done by anyone, regardless of your pain level or curr

nt condition, even if you're currently incapacitated. You just have to

start small, but it is crucial that you do the exercizes at home like

you want it! Assess how you are doing and add a few more reps between

visits and push yourself...but not too hard! I'm telling you, I have

experienced it firsthand. Now I feel no pain at all 95% of the time,

and when I do it's more discomfort than pain. I am now taking a

full-time job...I've come full-circle to a place I never thought I'd

see again. Seemed impossible, thought I was doomed!!! But I did

it...with a LOT of self determination.

--- in RI

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From: cheryle.timm <no_reply@group s.com>

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:31:55 PM

Subject: Re: SO angry about my surgical

report.

I've tried everything, when I was first injured, to avoid medication

and orthopedics all together. I went to a chiropracter for about 8

months. She adjusted my lumbar and cracked my lumbar and neck. Then

she did heat and stimulation after the adjustment. I was on

glucosamine/ chondroitin, ibuprofen, Aleve, Doans back pills, (what a

joke). I was injured in '92. I didn't get to a orthopedic doctor until

'94. You see, I was a single mother of two children and no one was

going to support them but me. I worked two more years after the

injury. 12 hour days, three days a week. I was a process tech

(glorified inspector) and pulled production, weighed production, boxed

it up and stacked it all on a skid until full, sat at a microscope and

verified acceptable production. Every half hour this all had to be

done while keeping up with 4 plastic injection molding machines as

well as documenting every procedure accurately. In doing so, for the

next two years I did so

much damage to my sciatic nerve, that I started losing the feeling in

my right leg, from the knee down. When I finally got to a ortho

doctor, he ordered a myelogram and came into the hospital room later

that night and told me I had the largest herniated discs at L5 and S1

that he's ever seen in his practice. Holy Jebus! I had workmens comp

trying to call me a liar. I said to Dr. Gross (that's his name,

really) " so I'm not full of sh*t " ? He said " maybe you are but not aout

this " ! I was in surgery within 2 weeks. I had to an autologous blood

donation or I would have been in surgery right away. After I came out

of surgery, I was completely numb from the hip down from releasing

presure which he told me that my right leg flopped around to the or

table. Hmm, attractive picture. With time, physical therapy and some

good old self determination I got the feeling back down to the knee.

That was just the first surgery. The second one was fusion with wire,

bone and

collegen and an implanted stimulator. That failed as my body

reabsorbed the bone. He didn't do anterior and fusions at the time so,

I was sent to a specialist who did. He didn't believe that I could be

in so much pain and still sit upright, talk, carry on somewhat normal

activities. What ever that is. So he ordered a lumbar discogram. The

most horrendous pain I have ever felt. Especially when the doctor

administering it, got to S1. It felt like lightning had shot down my

leg. I begged him to stop. He made me hold on for a few seconds more.

I didn't cry a lot back then but I did that day. I did the ct scan and

the x-rays. Went back to Dr. Zindrick a week later. He asked me what I

felt. I told him the others were bearable but not S1. He slapped the

film onto the light and he said " because there's no S1. The disc is

gone " . I was scheduled for surgery in two weeks.. No more feeling in

my right leg from the knee down. Ever. I'm still trying to figure out

where S1 went. Maybe it stepped out for ice cream and forgot to come

back. All in all I had three surgeries in '94, '95 and '96 and

physical therapy for 5 years. I went back to work. Even tried to do

the same job. My doctor said in all likelihood, I'd probably be able

to maybe get in 4 hours. If I'm lucky. I switched to a less physical

demanding job. Administrative assistant to 4 department heads. No

bodies, just talking heads. I worked 9 hours a day. In '01 my left

shoulder and the left side of my neck started to have severe pain. I

worked 6 more months until I finally went back to Dr. Gross and he

ordered a myleogram. C5 and C6 were herniated. The same procedures,

again. Steroid shots, yedda, yedda, yedda. Finaly that all led to

surgery and fusion of C5/C6. Took care of the pain and I returned to

work and failed miserably. Had to cash in my chips and file for SSD.

It took me 5 years, being turned down 5 times and finally getting a

lawyer and literally

being homeless, sleeping in church basements through PADS. Public

Action To Deliver Shelter. I was to determined not to ask for help

from family. Through PADS I was given help with meds, rides to

appointments, etc. I moved into the shelter for a month after being on

the streets for a month and a half. Until a girlfriend of mine found

out and demanded I stay with her and her family. Not mentioning I had

a newer husband at the time whose only job was to kick the crap out of

me and try to break my neck after surgery, every chance he got.

Through self determination, help from my family and a wonderful friend

I got off the streets, got away from my wasband and finally got my SSD

after 5 years of going thorough Hell to get it. I may not be rich but

my kids, family and friends are healthy and happy and I am going to a

wonderful pain management clinic. I am the richest woman in the world.

I don't ever worry about the woulda, coulda, or shoulda's, I just worry

about the what I'm gonna do's. I've learned that self determination

can cause just as much harm as good if you don't get the help you

need. Whether it be mental, physical or financial. If you don't ask

for help sometimes self determination can lead to self destruction but

that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Cheryle

Beloit, Wisconsin

>>

>> From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

>> Subject: SO angry about my surgical

>> report.

>> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

>> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

>>

>> I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

>> doctors

>> after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that

>> he

>> finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has

>> expounded on

>> the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work

>> than he

>> would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra

>> assistants. I think

>> probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra

>> padding of his

>> bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary

>> negativity

>> toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all

>> the crap

>> that was going on.

>>

>> I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

>> seemed

>> unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher

>> who isn't

>> very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

>> this

>> dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes

>> me when

>> I say I hurt 24/7.

>>

>> Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

>>

>> Jane iN TN

>>

>>

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cheryl

i never said it was easy...i will say that gaining weight when ur body doesnt

want to is more difficult then losing ....thats a story for a differant day

but...i was in a wheelchair due to horrible pain in my hips butt .thighs aand

feet...i had 2 neuromas and chronic synovitis in my right foot...i have had a

joit removed and about3 inches of nerve in the middle of my foot..i was

diagnosed with very rare disease..similiar to neurofibromatosis which causes

tumors on nerves....also have rheumatoid arthritis...and when i dieted down to

160 and all of a suddenn i was eating and eating and losing weight no matter

what i did.....i was at about 115 and stood up at work and fractured my

leg...the reason..severe malnutrition..i was diagnosed the next month with

severe crohns and spent the next 2.5 years on Total Parenteral Nutrition

(Tpn)...i took a class with a lcsw....basically was taught if u think u can eat

or would want 2 bags of oreos in a week...buy 4....after a while when

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> >> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> >> > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> >> >

> >> > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

> >> > doctors

> >> > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> >> > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded

> >> > on

> >> > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than

> >> > he

> >> > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

> >> > think

> >> > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding

> >> > of his

> >> > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> >> > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

> >> > crap

> >> > that was going on.

> >> >

> >> > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

> >> > seemed

> >> > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

> >> > isn't

> >> > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

> >> > this

> >> > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

> >> > when

> >> > I say I hurt 24/7.

> >> >

> >> > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> >> >

> >> > Jane iN TN

> >> >

> >> >

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From an acupuncture standpoint, weight gain is generally thought of as " damp

heat, " one treatment of which includes diuresis. There are some great

points for that. The " heat " in the damp heat diagnosis would usually

involve the stomach, with increased " desire to eat. "

SO angry about my surgical

>> >> report.

>> >> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

>> >> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

>> >>

>> >> I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

>> >> doctors

>> >> after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that

>> >> he

>> >> finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has

>> >> expounded on

>> >> the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work

>> >> than he

>> >> would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra

>> >> assistants. I think

>> >> probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra

>> >> padding of his

>> >> bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary

>> >> negativity

>> >> toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all

>> >> the crap

>> >> that was going on.

>> >>

>> >> I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

>> >> seemed

>> >> unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher

>> >> who isn't

>> >> very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

>> >> this

>> >> dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes

>> >> me when

>> >> I say I hurt 24/7.

>> >>

>> >> Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

>> >>

>> >> Jane iN TN

>> >>

>> >>

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part2

when ur fav's are always there and ready your mindset changes..there is a book

out but i cant remember the name..it works..

anyway...i can now add arachnoiditis to my list of ailments.....i still walk 3

to 4 miles at least 5 days a week....often the pain improves from

exercise...the hardest thing when i was really sick was i could not exercise as

i was burning heart muscle...

the best exercise for those that are overweight is walking or swimming......

i think some people get in a vicious cycle of sick..pain...depressed...anti

depressants weight gain.mor pain more depressed etc....for those that weight is

a problem..lyrica neurontin and amytriptilline all cause weight gain........

i was shocked when the original writer of the thread said i was chastizing

her...all we (tracy and i) can do is try and educate people....tracy who still

works full time and has small children takes so much of her time to answer the

member's of this group so i am shocked with some of the responses

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> >> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> >> > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> >> >

> >> > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

> >> > doctors

> >> > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> >> > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded

> >> > on

> >> > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than

> >> > he

> >> > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

> >> > think

> >> > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding

> >> > of his

> >> > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> >> > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

> >> > crap

> >> > that was going on.

> >> >

> >> > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

> >> > seemed

> >> > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

> >> > isn't

> >> > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

> >> > this

> >> > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

> >> > when

> >> > I say I hurt 24/7.

> >> >

> >> > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> >> >

> >> > Jane iN TN

> >> >

> >> >

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pt 3 to her heart felt post...do the right thing and judge favoribly...she wrote

as did i ..because we care about the member's of this group....if thats

wrong...i am sorry but not going to apologize for caring.....

deb rn

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> >> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> >> > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> >> >

> >> > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

> >> > doctors

> >> > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> >> > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded

> >> > on

> >> > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than

> >> > he

> >> > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

> >> > think

> >> > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding

> >> > of his

> >> > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> >> > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

> >> > crap

> >> > that was going on.

> >> >

> >> > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

> >> > seemed

> >> > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

> >> > isn't

> >> > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

> >> > this

> >> > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

> >> > when

> >> > I say I hurt 24/7.

> >> >

> >> > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> >> >

> >> > Jane iN TN

> >> >

> >> >

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i am realizing that we all have our story...if i hear one more person say..and

g-d doesnt give u any more then u can handle......does any one want to volunteer

for some shit in their life..no thnk u for me..i have had enough ........

deb rn

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> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> >

> > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed doctors

> > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded on

> > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than he

> > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I think

> > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding of his

> > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the crap

> > that was going on.

> >

> > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This seemed

> > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who isn't

> > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of this

> > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me when

> > I say I hurt 24/7.

> >

> > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> >

> > Jane iN TN

> >

> >

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and Noble has books on writing books. True. I use to workout with my

brother when I was in my 20's. We used free weights. This came about when one

day my brother was putting in overtime and he was working on a stamping machine.

He shut the machine off to take a break and didn't know it had already half

cycled so when he returned he leaned over to turn it on and his right index

finger was under the stamping head and it came down and took off his finger up

to the first knuckle. The finger couldn't be saved. He had several surgeries and

had to do physical therapy so I would join him. It became regular for us to do.

I think that having built up the core strength enables me to walk with just a

cane. It was maddening when I lost the feeling. It is like it was asleep and

won't wake up. I also have to be careful doing things like shaving or pumicing

my feet. The same people with diabetes have to do. You know, though, it could be

worse. There's many here with worse problems. Why did you have to have surgery,

Tracey? Why have you known pain since you were 15?

> >>

> >> From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> >> Subject: SO angry about my surgical

> >> report.

> >> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> >> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> >>

> >> I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

> >> doctors

> >> after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that

> >> he

> >> finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has

> >> expounded on

> >> the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work

> >> than he

> >> would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra

> >> assistants. I think

> >> probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra

> >> padding of his

> >> bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary

> >> negativity

> >> toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all

> >> the crap

> >> that was going on.

> >>

> >> I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

> >> seemed

> >> unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher

> >> who isn't

> >> very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

> >> this

> >> dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes

> >> me when

> >> I say I hurt 24/7.

> >>

> >> Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> >>

> >> Jane iN TN

> >>

> >>

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You lost me a little, hun. When what was easy? Losing weight? For me, it was a

nightmare! By no means am I implying that it is easy. The first 40 lbs. were,

for me, not too bad but the last 10 was very hard. I had plateaued. I had to

change up my eating habits so as to wake up my system. One thing I made sure of

was to drink a gallon or more of water. I was never far from a bathroom. I think

I know where the restrooms are in every store I shop in. ;)

Cheryle

>^..^<

><

> > >> >

> > >> > From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> > >> > Subject: SO angry about my surgical report.

> > >> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > >> > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> > >> >

> > >> > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

> > >> > doctors

> > >> > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> > >> > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded

> > >> > on

> > >> > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than

> > >> > he

> > >> > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

> > >> > think

> > >> > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding

> > >> > of his

> > >> > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> > >> > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

> > >> > crap

> > >> > that was going on.

> > >> >

> > >> > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

> > >> > seemed

> > >> > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

> > >> > isn't

> > >> > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

> > >> > this

> > >> > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

> > >> > when

> > >> > I say I hurt 24/7.

> > >> >

> > >> > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> > >> >

> > >> > Jane iN TN

> > >> >

> > >> >

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You certainly have your plate full. I also agree with you on the vicious cycle.

It's so disappointing when your body does it's own thing no matter how hard you

try to control it. I get bad cramps or charlie horses in the back of my thighs,

feet, calves, forearmshands even my neck where the incision site is. I'm going

to have a procedure done the 9th of July. It's called Cervical Facet

Radiofrequency Neurotomy. I'm a bit apprehensive but my doctor does administer

sedation is needed for any procedure he does. That was a big relief for me. I

get so worked up before them. I had a doctor really mess up a steroid shot in my

neck. He dug around in my neck with the needle and I thought I was going to

faint the pain was so bad. I couldn't do anything but lie on the couch with ice

packs for 6 days. I discontinued seeing him. He has a lot of complaints. I can

see why. He almost ruined my trust. I've had 2 steroid shots in my cervical

spine and neither one took. I do all I can to avoid surgery.

Cheryle

> > >> >

> > >> > From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> > >> > Subject: SO angry about my surgical report.

> > >> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > >> > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> > >> >

> > >> > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

> > >> > doctors

> > >> > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> > >> > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded

> > >> > on

> > >> > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than

> > >> > he

> > >> > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

> > >> > think

> > >> > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding

> > >> > of his

> > >> > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> > >> > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

> > >> > crap

> > >> > that was going on.

> > >> >

> > >> > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

> > >> > seemed

> > >> > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

> > >> > isn't

> > >> > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

> > >> > this

> > >> > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

> > >> > when

> > >> > I say I hurt 24/7.

> > >> >

> > >> > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> > >> >

> > >> > Jane iN TN

> > >> >

> > >> >

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Nor should either one of you apoligize for caring. If I don't agree with

something I try to do it in a manner so that the other person doesn't feel

attacked. But there are some people that are very sensitive and if you don't

agree they see it in a negative way. Sometimes, you just can't win.

> > >> >

> > >> > From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> > >> > Subject: SO angry about my surgical report.

> > >> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > >> > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> > >> >

> > >> > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

> > >> > doctors

> > >> > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> > >> > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded

> > >> > on

> > >> > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than

> > >> > he

> > >> > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

> > >> > think

> > >> > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding

> > >> > of his

> > >> > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> > >> > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

> > >> > crap

> > >> > that was going on.

> > >> >

> > >> > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

> > >> > seemed

> > >> > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

> > >> > isn't

> > >> > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

> > >> > this

> > >> > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

> > >> > when

> > >> > I say I hurt 24/7.

> > >> >

> > >> > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> > >> >

> > >> > Jane iN TN

> > >> >

> > >> >

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AMEN to that!! I'm off to try and rest. Have a great night, group!

>

> > >

>

> > > From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

>

> > > Subject: SO angry about my surgical report.

>

> > > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

>

> > > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

>

> > >

>

> > > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed doctors

>

> > > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

>

> > > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded on

>

> > > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than he

>

> > > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

think

>

> > > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding of

his

>

> > > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

>

> > > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

crap

>

> > > that was going on.

>

> > >

>

> > > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This seemed

>

> > > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

isn't

>

> > > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of this

>

> > > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

when

>

> > > I say I hurt 24/7.

>

> > >

>

> > > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

>

> > >

>

> > > Jane iN TN

>

> > >

>

> > >

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Thank you Deb, I really get frustrated when people get offended and don't

understand where I'm coming from. The worst thing about it is that the message

gets lost amid the shuffle of upset people. I suppose I can see from their

perspective, those who don't know me on here might think I was being unkind. But

why many people are so quick to assume the worst...that is really disheartening.

I have nothing but love and concern for those in this group.

Thanks Again,

________________________________

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spinal problems ; cheryle.timm

<no_reply >

Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:19:04 PM

Subject: Re: SO angry about my surgical report.

part2

when ur fav's are always there and ready your mindset changes..there is a book

out but i cant remember the name..it works..

anyway...i can now add arachnoiditis to my list of ailments.... .i still walk 3

to 4 miles at least 5 days a week....often the pain improves from exercise...the

hardest thing when i was really sick was i could not exercise as i was burning

heart muscle...

the best exercise for those that are overweight is walking or swimming.... ..

i think some people get in a vicious cycle of sick..pain.. .depressed. ..anti

depressants weight gain.mor pain more depressed etc....for those that weight is

a problem..lyrica neurontin and amytriptilline all cause weight gain........

i was shocked when the original writer of the thread said i was chastizing

her...all we (tracy and i) can do is try and educate people....tracy who still

works full time and has small children takes so much of her time to answer the

member's of this group so i am shocked with some of the responses

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> >> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> >> > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> >> >

> >> > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

> >> > doctors

> >> > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> >> > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded

> >> > on

> >> > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than

> >> > he

> >> > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

> >> > think

> >> > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding

> >> > of his

> >> > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> >> > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

> >> > crap

> >> > that was going on.

> >> >

> >> > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

> >> > seemed

> >> > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

> >> > isn't

> >> > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of

> >> > this

> >> > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

> >> > when

> >> > I say I hurt 24/7.

> >> >

> >> > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> >> >

> >> > Jane iN TN

> >> >

> >> >

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LMAO! I wish I had their money. I would be sick of sleeping in a recliner, too.

I did when I had cervical surgery. I love any kind of sense of humor so all is

welcomed. I'm taking breaks after I type messages because the left side of my

neck, shoulder and arm is extremely painful. I suppose it doesn't help when I

hardly sleep. When I do I have nightmarish dreams where I was even living in the

same house with Will Farell. I think that was because I had the tv on and some

program with him was on. I can't imagine living with someone like him. Probably

be a riot or end up in one.

> > > >

> > > > From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> > > > Subject: SO angry about my surgical report.

> > > > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > > > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

> > > >

> > > > I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed doctors

> > > > after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing that he

> > > > finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has expounded

on

> > > > the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work than he

> > > > would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra assistants. I

think

> > > > probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra padding of

his

> > > > bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary negativity

> > > > toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all the

crap

> > > > that was going on.

> > > >

> > > > I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

seemed

> > > > unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher who

isn't

> > > > very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid of this

> > > > dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who believes me

when

> > > > I say I hurt 24/7.

> > > >

> > > > Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

> > > >

> > > > Jane iN TN

> > > >

> > > >

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Cheryle,

You've got guts and grit and are honest with yourself. You'll find a

way to go on to the next chapter in your life and to make it an

interesting and fulfilling one--right for you.

On Jun 12, 2009, at 8:11 PM, cheryle.timm wrote:

See , that's what I'm talking about. You did it. I did it. I may

have taken a few " bumpy roads " to get there but damn it, I got there

or here which is where I am now. LOL I have to ask this. Do you laugh?

Do you laugh at yourself? Can you find the humor in otherwise

difficult situations? Now, don't get me wrong, I know when it's time

to be serious and am not a complete joker but that is how I choose to

get through times when things are difficule or pain is weighing me

down. Life is too short and as I'm sure you know being a nurse. I was

a cop for Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. I had a 4.0 in my criminal justice

college courses and won a scholarship for criminal justice and

industrial security. Lake Geneva was where I did my internship. I

carried a .357 S & W and had to demand and earn the respect from the

whole department which was all male except for a woman detective which

was where I was going to head for, next. My family had a summer

cottage in the neighboring town so it was convenient for me to do it

there. I didn't have to find a place to live. It was a life changing

experience, I tell you. This was in '82 when women were frowned upon

for being in such a male dominated profession. It also made me realize

that women have to work extra hard to obtain the kind of professon

they choose. Now, I could never be a nurse. That is a job you couldn't

pay me enough to do. So, my hat's off to you for your strength and

preseverance. I learned that life can be lost in seconds. I learned

that there are jobs that some people are just meant to do. I could

carry a gun but not a needle. I've held an elderly gentlemans hand

while he lay dying but don't know if I could do that on a daily basis.

It made me question a lot of things in my life but never my integrity.

I found that after doing it and I couldn't get hired to save my life I

had to ask myself if I really wanted to do it. The answer was no. The

tragic accident that left an 18 y/o young man dead and having to hear

his mother scream made me realize that I never wanted to hear that

ever again. I moved on. To the factory where eventually I injured my

back. I tried to keep working but I can't with my pain. Even part

time, 20 hs. a week. I have new problems that I have to deal with

that keep coming back in different places. I give you credit for

remaining at your job pain and all. I have done pt for many years and

have learned exercises I can do at home as well as walk every day. I

keep as active as possible. I also lost 50 lbs. last year. I did it

for me and for how I felt with less weight. d

>>>

>>> From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

>>> Subject: SO angry about my surgical

>>> report.

>>> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

>>> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

>>>

>>> I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

>>> doctors

>>> after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing

>>> that he

>>> finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has

>>> expounded on

>>> the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work

>>> than he

>>> would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra

>>> assistants. I think

>>> probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra

>>> padding of his

>>> bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary

>>> negativity

>>> toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all

>>> the crap

>>> that was going on.

>>>

>>> I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

>>> seemed

>>> unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher

>>> who isn't

>>> very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid

>>> of this

>>> dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who

>>> believes me when

>>> I say I hurt 24/7.

>>>

>>> Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

>>>

>>> Jane iN TN

>>>

>>>

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Amen.

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Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:17:46 AM

Subject: Re: SO angry about my surgical report.

Cheryle,

You've got guts and grit and are honest with yourself. You'll find a

way to go on to the next chapter in your life and to make it an

interesting and fulfilling one--right for you.

On Jun 12, 2009, at 8:11 PM, cheryle.timm wrote:

See , that's what I'm talking about. You did it. I did it. I may

have taken a few " bumpy roads " to get there but damn it, I got there

or here which is where I am now. LOL I have to ask this. Do you laugh?

Do you laugh at yourself? Can you find the humor in otherwise

difficult situations? Now, don't get me wrong, I know when it's time

to be serious and am not a complete joker but that is how I choose to

get through times when things are difficule or pain is weighing me

down. Life is too short and as I'm sure you know being a nurse. I was

a cop for Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. I had a 4.0 in my criminal justice

college courses and won a scholarship for criminal justice and

industrial security. Lake Geneva was where I did my internship. I

carried a .357 S & W and had to demand and earn the respect from the

whole department which was all male except for a woman detective which

was where I was going to head for, next. My family had a summer

cottage in the neighboring town so it was convenient for me to do it

there. I didn't have to find a place to live. It was a life changing

experience, I tell you. This was in '82 when women were frowned upon

for being in such a male dominated profession. It also made me realize

that women have to work extra hard to obtain the kind of professon

they choose. Now, I could never be a nurse. That is a job you couldn't

pay me enough to do. So, my hat's off to you for your strength and

preseverance. I learned that life can be lost in seconds. I learned

that there are jobs that some people are just meant to do. I could

carry a gun but not a needle. I've held an elderly gentlemans hand

while he lay dying but don't know if I could do that on a daily basis.

It made me question a lot of things in my life but never my integrity.

I found that after doing it and I couldn't get hired to save my life I

had to ask myself if I really wanted to do it. The answer was no. The

tragic accident that left an 18 y/o young man dead and having to hear

his mother scream made me realize that I never wanted to hear that

ever again. I moved on. To the factory where eventually I injured my

back. I tried to keep working but I can't with my pain. Even part

time, 20 hs. a week. I have new problems that I have to deal with

that keep coming back in different places. I give you credit for

remaining at your job pain and all. I have done pt for many years and

have learned exercises I can do at home as well as walk every day. I

keep as active as possible. I also lost 50 lbs. last year. I did it

for me and for how I felt with less weight. d

>>>

>>> From: rnping3 <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

>>> Subject: SO angry about my surgical

>>> report.

>>> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

>>> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:29 PM

>>>

>>> I know that in my introductory post I shared that I have changed

>>> doctors

>>> after having been with the same one for ten years. Since doing

>>> that he

>>> finally released my surgical reports, and in each one he has

>>> expounded on

>>> the fact that I am overweight and that caused him much more work

>>> than he

>>> would ordinarily have had. That also made him need extra

>>> assistants. I think

>>> probably padding the report would be for the benefit of extra

>>> padding of his

>>> bill for Blue Cross, but that really seemed like unnecessary

>>> negativity

>>> toward someone who was already knocked down to the ground with all

>>> the crap

>>> that was going on.

>>>

>>> I am not Shamu the Whale, but I do admit to being overweight. This

>>> seemed

>>> unnecessarily crass, but I may just be a special education teacher

>>> who isn't

>>> very well versed in surgical reports. I really am glad to be rid

>>> of this

>>> dimwit, but would SO like to be in the care of someone who

>>> believes me when

>>> I say I hurt 24/7.

>>>

>>> Your thoughts are appreciated, group members. Thank you

>>>

>>> Jane iN TN

>>>

>>>

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I have been readiing this post and I agree weight has a major effect on my spine

as a whole. My pain management doctor has my starting weight at 132 (when I hurt

my back. Then he uses that as a factor. He tells me that my spine couldn't

handle the weight then if I go up ten or more pounds how do i think it will be

able to handle more? Hard to fight with the facts. I had gained some weight post

surgery and he was on me to lose it. Then I di yippy UNTIL HE CHANGED THE MEDS

AND PUT ME ON NEUROTIN My weight shot up. So I finally got a good report last

month. Down toi 140. See I tend not to be a hungry food type i am a emotional

pain type eater. Constant battle with my weight to keep it on the light side.

Keeping my weight down was a choice i decided to make and hope for the best and

skip surgery #2 for as long as I could that is. I have DDD, RA, three bone on

bone with little disc stuff left,stenois, sciatia, & the

new shifting, spondylolistheses 6 mm

I am of course putting off the surgery until I can not tolerate it anymore. That

means no sweets, or caffine, No processed foods, Only veggies and good meat

choices and of course on a good day walk walk as far as my body will let me

until i drop.

I am so proud of the others for battling the fat battle and winning, and

the others trying youy all get an A plus too. Seems like it is always there the

battle that is but one day the scales will show progress.

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