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My lingering joint pain was dairy.....I miss it so, but I don't miss the

endless aching!

Easy to do a trial run of dairy-free.

Joan

I have been reading the previous thread with lots of interest. I

thought had made a typo when she wrote about neu5gc... so I

went to google it... this is an interesting topic that i had never

heard about.

I have had hashimoto's and RA (Rheumatoid Arthritis) (both auto-

immune issues) on and off for the last 20 yrs. I went into remission

after a year on a Blood type " A " diet (low in red meat and wheat) but

ended up very, very anemic. I added fatty red meat from pastured

animals in the last 5 year and feel better from energy point of

view. But high stress a year ago has precipitated the return of my

RA issues.

.... if this neu5gc is partly the cause of the RA then this opens a

whole new bag of issues for me...

I think this may also point to the fact that I do much better on a

diet very high in fat. I have been gluten free and that also helps

with the acute inflammation. But the lingering joint pain is still

present and I'd love to get it resolved.

, do you know from your readings if and how long it would take

to rid the body of this neu5gc? any other suggestions for RA? I

should try the fast 5 with easy to digest fruit/veg during the day.

Luckily, from the charts I found, butter is low in this molecule!! :-)

Sorry, this is Off topic for Microbial Nutrition but a very

interesting topic. I do make & eat lots of Kimchi, though.

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First, to Joan's comment: if you aren't dairy free, try that first. Dairy

bothers a lot of people.

The Neu5GC thing took me by surprise, and I'm not sure how I feel about it

yet. I have two data points:

1. Some of our paleo ancestors ate a LOT of meat and did ok.

2. The cultures that do the " ranching " style cuisine, in modern times, are

the least healthy.

I am dividing up the cuisines of the world into the following:

1. Shoreline (rice/fish, plus usually eggs, and some chicken/pork)

2. Small farm or nomadic (dairy/eggs/chicken plus some pork/beef. (nomads

didn't do pork much though).

3. Ranching (large herds): Lots of meat.

4. Neolithic (mostly grain, with some meat/fish/poultry).

Of the 4, the first two are the most healthy, statistically. Historically,

all 4 ate vegies more than we do now, so I'm not going to deal with vegies

as an issue. #3 is, statistically, the *fattest* group. If you look at the

globe, the countries with large ranches or herds of goats/sheep (US, Mexico,

Argentina, England, Australia) are the *fattest*.

Since obesity is linked to inflammation, and neu5GC is linked to

inflammation, this might make perfect sense. However, iron is also linked to

inflammation and insulin production, and it's particularly heavy in the

large meat animals (heme iron, hence " red meat " ). Also, the inland peoples

who eat beef are typically the wheat/corn eaters, which also confuses

things, esp. since wheat makes many things more absorbable (as may be the

case with iron and neu5GC), and wheat and corn are both quite allergenic.

So it is really hard to tease apart the different parts of this issue. My

own response has been to try the " eat like a Japanese " diet. Which is mainly

fish and egg-based, and includes a lot of natural anti-inflammatories. All I

can say is: *it is working* for me. I don't have RA, but I was having

symptoms of Sjogren's and my sister DOES have it, and I was getting swollen

joints that cracked a lot. Those seem to have gone away, and my bloodwork

improved a lot.

What was the most surprising though, is my family's reaction. I always

think, when I try one of these experiments, " Well, they will really

complain! " . And they do, but the complaint now is, " Mom, why don't you make

fish more often??? " . I.e., I started cooking fish, and now they crave it.

That and eggs, but only if the eggs come from our chickens.

My guess is that I'm going to have to put in an aquaponics system so we have

our own fish too.

As for how fast gc is cleared ... I don't know. I have heard that cells are

replaced in toto every 7 years, but I have no idea if that is true. I think

doing Fast-5, there is more protein turnover which probably helps.

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Meyer <b-healthy@...>wrote:

> I have been reading the previous thread with lots of interest. I

> thought had made a typo when she wrote about neu5gc... so I

> went to google it... this is an interesting topic that i had never

> heard about.

>

> I have had hashimoto's and RA (Rheumatoid Arthritis) (both auto-

> immune issues) on and off for the last 20 yrs. I went into remission

> after a year on a Blood type " A " diet (low in red meat and wheat) but

> ended up very, very anemic. I added fatty red meat from pastured

> animals in the last 5 year and feel better from energy point of

> view. But high stress a year ago has precipitated the return of my

> RA issues.

>

> ... if this neu5gc is partly the cause of the RA then this opens a

> whole new bag of issues for me...

>

> I think this may also point to the fact that I do much better on a

> diet very high in fat. I have been gluten free and that also helps

> with the acute inflammation. But the lingering joint pain is still

> present and I'd love to get it resolved.

>

> , do you know from your readings if and how long it would take

> to rid the body of this neu5gc? any other suggestions for RA? I

> should try the fast 5 with easy to digest fruit/veg during the day.

>

> Luckily, from the charts I found, butter is low in this molecule!! :-)

>

> Sorry, this is Off topic for Microbial Nutrition but a very

> interesting topic. I do make & eat lots of Kimchi, though.

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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